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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2015-10-17 05:50 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-10-18 11:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 60 — 26 participants |
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[CM] Soviet PCs RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-10-17 05:50 +0000
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-10-17 10:22 -0500
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-10-17 23:00 -0300
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-17 21:14 -0700
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 19:17 -0800
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 11:04 +0000
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-18 11:58 -0700
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-19 00:15 +0200
Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2016-02-14 16:37 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 16:54 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-02-14 17:58 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-15 17:41 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-15 23:08 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 00:20 +0100
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-16 04:46 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 15:15 +0100
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-17 11:42 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 23:24 +0100
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 10:42 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-16 08:14 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-16 11:42 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-17 01:32 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-15 18:23 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-16 00:50 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-16 15:09 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 14:11 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2016-02-15 17:15 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-14 19:40 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-14 19:45 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-15 01:12 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-15 06:09 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-15 13:37 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 16:16 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-16 22:18 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-15 09:43 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-02-15 15:27 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:14 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 20:30 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-19 19:48 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 12:56 -0700
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-19 20:15 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-09 11:51 -0500
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-19 20:24 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-19 20:34 -0800
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-20 22:10 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 16:12 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-21 23:28 +0000
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-22 16:24 -0600
Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-20 20:53 -0800
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 21:56 -0400
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-19 07:07 +0000
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-19 11:38 -0400
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs Conceited Jerk <cj.speakeasy@AAARGHgmail.com> - 2015-10-18 11:34 -0500
Re: [CM] Soviet PCs mentificium@gmail.com - 2015-10-18 11:32 -0700
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 08:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <slrnnc5mit.8kf.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #159452 |
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:41:02 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > > I remember early articles in Byte, in the early eighties, about Unix. > SOme were tutorials, some were reviews. One review for a system that did > run Unix had a whopping 512K or RAM, and a hard drive with less space > than many a computer now has RAM. My emulated PDP-11 (486 DX4/100 MSDOS E-11) runs Unix 5th Edition quite happily in 256 KWords of RAM. I think the (emulated) hard disk is 2.4MB. It will boot Ultrix, but can't do anything useful with it. I normally run RSTS/E v7 which runs just fine... -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 11:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <digg9rFdmfqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159476 |
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:14:21 +0000, Stan Barr wrote: > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:41:02 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >> >> I remember early articles in Byte, in the early eighties, about Unix. >> SOme were tutorials, some were reviews. One review for a system that >> did run Unix had a whopping 512K or RAM, and a hard drive with less >> space than many a computer now has RAM. > > My emulated PDP-11 (486 DX4/100 MSDOS E-11) runs Unix 5th Edition quite > happily in 256 KWords of RAM. I think the (emulated) hard disk is > 2.4MB. It will boot Ultrix, but can't do anything useful with it. > I normally run RSTS/E v7 which runs just fine... When I get a chance to fix the power supply problem, I'll have to put Mini-UNIX on my (real) 11/23. (we used to use a UNIX system for teaching; PDP-11/40 with 112KW (224kB) of RAM and two 2.4MB RK05s) -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 17:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <slrnnc6lfo.6pr.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #159484 |
On 16 Feb 2016 11:42:51 GMT, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: > > When I get a chance to fix the power supply problem, I'll have to put > Mini-UNIX on my (real) 11/23. > I sympathise with you...my Micro 11/73 has a dead psu too :-( -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 01:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <dii0ssFdmfqU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159497 |
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:01:44 +0000, Stan Barr wrote: > On 16 Feb 2016 11:42:51 GMT, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >> >> When I get a chance to fix the power supply problem, I'll have to put >> Mini-UNIX on my (real) 11/23. >> >> > I sympathise with you...my Micro 11/73 has a dead psu too :-( The PSU is itself fine, but the 'power good' signal isn't. It's just finding time... -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 18:23 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <n9tq07$bt9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159450 |
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message news:n9tfrc41t66@news3.newsguy.com... > On 2016-02-14, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. > > I did a bunch of development on a 4-meg SCO box. > At a PPoE back in the 90s, I did development on a Data General AViiON workstation. The workstation ran a version of Unix SVR4. The cpu was a Motorola 8800, a RISC machine. (Note that "AViiON" is "NOVA" spelled backwards... with the insertion of two i's. I did say it was Data General, didn't I??? ;-) ) -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 00:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <n9tro3025i8@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159459 |
On 2016-02-16, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message > news:n9tfrc41t66@news3.newsguy.com... > >> On 2016-02-14, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. >> >> I did a bunch of development on a 4-meg SCO box. > > At a PPoE back in the 90s, I did development on a Data General AViiON > workstation. The workstation ran a version of Unix SVR4. The cpu was a > Motorola 8800, a RISC machine. (Note that "AViiON" is "NOVA" spelled > backwards... with the insertion of two i's. I did say it was Data General, > didn't I??? ;-) ) I worked briefly on one at a PPOE as well. The insertion of the two i's were DG's subtle word play implying a new NOVA, i.e. NOVA II. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 15:09 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <na030m$r5r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159460 |
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message news:n9tro3025i8@news3.newsguy.com... > On 2016-02-16, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > >> "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message >> news:n9tfrc41t66@news3.newsguy.com... >> >>> On 2016-02-14, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. >>> >>> I did a bunch of development on a 4-meg SCO box. >> >> At a PPoE back in the 90s, I did development on a Data General AViiON >> workstation. The workstation ran a version of Unix SVR4. The cpu was a >> Motorola 8800, a RISC machine. (Note that "AViiON" is "NOVA" spelled >> backwards... with the insertion of two i's. I did say it was Data >> General, >> didn't I??? ;-) ) > > I worked briefly on one at a PPOE as well. The insertion of the two i's > were DG's subtle word play implying a new NOVA, i.e. NOVA II. > Another mistake!!! Dang!!! Of course I meant that the AViiON cpu was a Mororola 88000, *not* an 8800. -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <na0q7i42ist@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159517 |
On 2016-02-16, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: > "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message > news:n9tro3025i8@news3.newsguy.com... > >> On 2016-02-16, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: >> >>> "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:n9tfrc41t66@news3.newsguy.com... >>> >>>> On 2016-02-14, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. >>>> >>>> I did a bunch of development on a 4-meg SCO box. >>> >>> At a PPoE back in the 90s, I did development on a Data General AViiON >>> workstation. The workstation ran a version of Unix SVR4. The cpu was a >>> Motorola 8800, a RISC machine. (Note that "AViiON" is "NOVA" spelled >>> backwards... with the insertion of two i's. I did say it was Data >>> General, didn't I??? ;-) ) >> >> I worked briefly on one at a PPOE as well. The insertion of the two i's >> were DG's subtle word play implying a new NOVA, i.e. NOVA II. > > Another mistake!!! Dang!!! Of course I meant that the AViiON cpu was a > Mororola 88000, *not* an 8800. Damn, I missed that one. What kind of nit-picker am I, anyway? -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 14:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <oc%wy.176$LT.127@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #159517 |
"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> writes: >"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message >news:n9tro3025i8@news3.newsguy.com... >> On 2016-02-16, Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: >> >>> "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:n9tfrc41t66@news3.newsguy.com... >>> >>>> On 2016-02-14, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. >>>> >>>> I did a bunch of development on a 4-meg SCO box. >>> >>> At a PPoE back in the 90s, I did development on a Data General AViiON >>> workstation. The workstation ran a version of Unix SVR4. The cpu was a >>> Motorola 8800, a RISC machine. (Note that "AViiON" is "NOVA" spelled >>> backwards... with the insertion of two i's. I did say it was Data >>> General, >>> didn't I??? ;-) ) >> >> I worked briefly on one at a PPOE as well. The insertion of the two i's >> were DG's subtle word play implying a new NOVA, i.e. NOVA II. >> > >Another mistake!!! Dang!!! Of course I meant that the AViiON cpu was a >Mororola 88000, *not* an 8800. > We used the 88100[*] at Unisys/Convergent in the S/8400 departmental server. We were planning on building a much larger (MPP) system using the 88110, but then Apple decided on the PowerPC instead of the 88110 for the next gen Mac and Moto killed the 88k. After looking at sparc, mips, intel we chose (wisely in retrospect) intel for the OPUS system. [*] 88100 was the processor, 88200 the MMU.
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| From | cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 17:15 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <Kb6dnbe4ePGEwV_LnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@posted.hiwaay2> |
| In reply to | #159391 |
Once upon a time, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> said: >I've run AT&T SVR2 on a machine with 4 meg. My first Linux install was on a 386SX with 2MB RAM and a couple of 20MB hard drives. Not very fast, and had to use a good chunk of one drive for swap to run some things, but we got Nethack running on it (playable, not just "it runs"). -- Chris Adams <cmadams@cmadams.net>
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-14 19:40 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <4d2b692e-88c7-4393-be5f-02b0a4a7b78c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159390 |
On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: > If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with > only 16 Mb memory. I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. John Savard
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-14 19:45 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <f58c7606-3c14-4c26-9e1d-0fff2206589e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159412 |
On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 8:40:47 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote: > I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made > computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and > Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, > although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. Ah, the story is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Systems_Corporation Interactive Systems Corporation was a company that sold a version of Unix for the PC; Kodak bought it in 1988, and sold it to Sun in 1991 - so Kodak was just accidentally in the Unix business as a result of a corporate takeover done for other purposes. John Savard
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 01:12 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <n9rtkq$2cv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159412 |
On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: > On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: > >> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with >> only 16 Mb memory. > > I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made > computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and > Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, > although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 06:09 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <271f35c4-aa72-4933-9282-29ccff6d0feb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159417 |
On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:13:15 AM UTC-7, Dave Garland wrote: > On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: > > On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: > >> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with > >> only 16 Mb memory. > > I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made > > computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and > > Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, > > although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. > Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to > anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. > The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was > owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison > for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now. Ah. I was wondering about Sunbeam, when I saw their brand on batteries sold in a local dollar store. For that matter, Panasonic batteries are on sale there as well. John Savard
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 13:37 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <n9t98j$7kh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159430 |
On 2/15/2016 8:09 AM, Quadibloc wrote: > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:13:15 AM UTC-7, Dave Garland wrote: >> On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: > >>>> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with >>>> only 16 Mb memory. > >>> I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made >>> computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and >>> Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, >>> although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. > >> Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to >> anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. >> The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was >> owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison >> for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now. > > Ah. I was wondering about Sunbeam, when I saw their brand on batteries sold in > a local dollar store. For that matter, Panasonic batteries are on sale there as > well. > I believe Sunbeam is something the same, collapsed under bandit capitalists in the early 2000s. For batteries, anyhow (imported by a dollar store chain, according to wikipedia) and light bulbs, Panasonic still seems to be in good health, though it's entirely possible they farm out battery manufacture to China.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 16:16 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <MPG.312c0a21e4f9e3f7989f84@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159440 |
In article <n9t98j$7kh$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says... > > On 2/15/2016 8:09 AM, Quadibloc wrote: > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:13:15 AM UTC-7, Dave Garland wrote: > >> On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: > >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: > > > >>>> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with > >>>> only 16 Mb memory. > > > >>> I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made > >>> computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and > >>> Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, > >>> although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. > > > >> Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to > >> anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. > >> The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was > >> owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison > >> for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now. > > > > Ah. I was wondering about Sunbeam, when I saw their brand on batteries sold in > > a local dollar store. For that matter, Panasonic batteries are on sale there as > > well. > > > > I believe Sunbeam is something the same, collapsed under bandit > capitalists in the early 2000s. Actually a crooked CEO in cahoots with a crooked accountant. > For batteries, anyhow (imported by a > dollar store chain, according to wikipedia) and light bulbs, Panasonic > still seems to be in good health, though it's entirely possible they > farm out battery manufacture to China.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <1789564406.477366002.881055.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159417 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: >> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: >> >>> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with >>> only 16 Mb memory. >> >> I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made >> computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and >> Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, >> although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. > > Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to > anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. > The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was > owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison > for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now. > Somebody makes instant-print cameras under the Polaroid name, although I think they're now digital cameras with a miniature attached printer. -- Pete
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 22:18 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1602162216190.21952@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #159545 |
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016, Peter Flass wrote: > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 2/14/2016 9:40 PM, Quadibloc wrote: >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote: >>> >>>> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with >>>> only 16 Mb memory. >>> >>> I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made >>> computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and >>> Polaroid now makes tablets. But I didn't know Kodak was a computer company, >>> although I knew it made photocopiers for a while. >> >> Polaroid doesn't make anything anymore. The name is available to >> anyone who has some cash and the desire to sell "name brand" products. >> The company has through several bankrupcies, and last I knew, was >> owned by the company of a gentleman who is doing a stretch in prison >> for running a Ponzi scheme, though apparently someone else owns it now. >> > > Somebody makes instant-print cameras under the Polaroid name, although I > think they're now digital cameras with a miniature attached printer. > I found one of those, but sadly it's all bashed up so not useable. It does resemble the traditional Polaroid camera, complete with a slot at the front for the picture to come out of. I thought those were Polaroid (ie from the company that used to make the instant cameras), but it's hard to follow. I've certainly seen generic things like TV sets or something with the Polaroid name on them. Michael
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 09:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <didkulFllU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159412 |
On 2016-02-15, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 2:37:35 PM UTC-7, Roberto Waltman wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, I run Kodak's "Interactive Unix" on PCs with
>> only 16 Mb memory.
>
> I knew that many companies got a license to make Unix, and I knew Xerox made
> computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto and the 820)... and
... the Star and 6085 workstations.
--
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my
attitude, that's your problem.
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 15:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Early Unixes requirements. (Was: Soviet PCs) |
| Message-ID | <mddmvr14t3l.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #159412 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> and I knew Xerox made computers (twice! ... first as XDS, then with the Alto
> and the 820)...
Xerox bought Scientific Data Systems in 1969 to create Xerox Data Systems, and
sold off that division to Honeywell in 1975, having turned a large fortune into
a small one.
Palo Alto Research Center was created as part of Xerox'x plan to become the
preeminent computer company in the world. It was retained when the remains of
the former SDS were sold off.
The Alto was created at PARC in 1972, so your "then" above mistates history.
The history of PARC is usually told from the point of view of the researchers
there, with a West Coast bias, as in the books
_Fumbling the Future: How Xerox Invented, then Ignored, the First Personal
Computer_, Douglas K. Smith and Robert C. Alexander, 1988.
_Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age_, Michael
Hitzik, 1999.
An alternate view is to be had from the gentleman hired by the Xerox Board of
Directors to manage the new computer division:
_The Computers Nobody Wanted: My Years at Xerox_, Paul A. Strassman, 2008.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
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