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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300 |
| Last post | 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 381 — 58 participants |
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DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 15:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 10:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-01-26 14:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-26 17:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 10:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 16:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-25 11:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-01-25 16:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 17:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2016-01-25 19:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:15 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 13:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-26 08:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 11:32 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-01-27 19:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2016-01-27 22:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 15:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 23:55 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-27 21:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:00 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 21:02 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:03 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 20:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 10:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-29 23:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 03:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:25 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-01 17:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 21:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 00:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 03:04 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 23:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:24 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:12 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-05 02:51 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 10:47 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 10:21 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-06 08:06 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 10:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 04:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-17 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-05 20:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-05 23:12 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-06 01:34 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 07:39 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 14:02 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 10:01 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 11:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:14 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:08 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-05 19:05 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 21:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 21:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 02:59 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:38 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 18:58 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 17:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-26 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 09:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 11:41 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 12:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 15:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 07:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 21:16 +0200
Re: DEC and The Americans "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-28 10:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-03 00:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-06 11:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-06 18:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 15:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-07 05:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-07 11:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-07 11:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-07 20:06 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:06 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:52 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:56 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 12:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 16:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:08 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:10 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-04 13:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 14:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-05 14:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 10:34 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:08 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 15:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-06 14:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-07 12:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-07 19:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:11 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:43 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-06 13:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 14:22 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:52 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-06 16:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 20:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 06:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:10 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-07 19:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:16 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:22 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 11:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-09 13:55 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 16:13 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:49 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-07 12:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:09 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:56 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:59 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 14:38 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 15:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:17 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:03 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-09 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 10:36 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 02:52 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-11 11:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:58 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-11 21:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-11 17:07 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-11 15:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-11 17:56 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-12 00:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:04 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2016-02-12 23:19 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-16 15:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:39 -0500
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Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 01:39 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-13 08:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:54 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 19:06 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 03:50 -0400
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Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 17:05 -0400
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Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 03:08 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-15 08:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 10:07 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 16:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:43 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 22:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 00:36 +0100
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Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 21:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 09:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:04 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 14:57 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2016-02-17 01:08 +0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 18:55 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-14 15:24 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:40 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 11:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-15 06:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 17:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 18:13 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-15 21:00 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-16 15:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:47 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 18:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-13 22:05 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-13 16:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-13 18:05 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:18 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-09 18:42 +0100
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Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:09 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-09 03:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-08 08:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 16:50 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 18:26 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:16 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 19:01 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-10 07:34 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-11 04:30 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:03 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 15:51 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-11 18:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-12 08:13 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-12 12:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:46 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-12 12:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:33 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-25 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 11:18 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 06:14 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 17:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 10:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:12 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 16:20 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:37 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:03 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 17:31 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-28 10:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 07:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 10:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 21:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 12:48 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 11:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:40 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 17:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans bleep@compy.0-0 (Colonel Bleep) - 2016-01-30 07:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-14 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <va57pc-r3f.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #159349 |
In article <slrnnc171g.196.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >On 2016-02-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: >> >>> Yes. Fifteen or so blacksmiths, attending a nearby workshop, were >>> there to see how the Big Dogs did it. We did get to see the open >>> hearth furnace dumped into a giant ladle, degassed and run into a >>> mould. >> >> I've seen that on TV. The tapping of a furnace is supposed to be >> quite neat to watch. >> >> I have a book on steel-making. There's all sorts of variations on >> how they handle the steel depending on what resultant qualities are >> desired. Lot of chemistry is involved. >> >> As I understand it, the US steel industry was pretty static for decades >> until they finally woke up and realized they had to get more competitive >> with the rest of world. So, around 1985, they got serious and eventually >> made significant improvements to the resultant quality. Unfortunately, >> for many companies, like Bethlehem and LTV, it was too late. US Steel is >> still in business, but much smaller. >> >> The Roebling Works, that made the cable for the Brooklyn bridge, closed >> their specialty mill down in the 1970s. The gate house was preserved >> and turned into a little museum about the mill (everything else was >> demolished and required a cleanup). Interesting stuff, although most >> visitors are quite elderly. >> >> obcomp: They have paystubs on exhibit, apparently produced by an >> NCR bookkeeping machine designed for payroll. But I read they got >> an IBM 650. Since a lot of workers were paid by piecework, payroll >> processing must've been complex. >> > >AFAIK, the biggest steelmaker in the UK ia closeing down. A problem >with getting coke, I think. That figures. The last coal mine in the UK closed down last year. Now we will have to sell coal to Newcastle. (AAMOF we already are. And sand to Sahara, and refridgerators to Greenland). -- mrr
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 11:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dicl7sFnbibU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159385 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:va57pc-r3f.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <slrnnc171g.196.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >>On 2016-02-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. Fifteen or so blacksmiths, attending a nearby workshop, were >>>> there to see how the Big Dogs did it. We did get to see the open >>>> hearth furnace dumped into a giant ladle, degassed and run into a >>>> mould. >>> >>> I've seen that on TV. The tapping of a furnace is supposed to be >>> quite neat to watch. >>> >>> I have a book on steel-making. There's all sorts of variations on >>> how they handle the steel depending on what resultant qualities are >>> desired. Lot of chemistry is involved. >>> >>> As I understand it, the US steel industry was pretty static for decades >>> until they finally woke up and realized they had to get more competitive >>> with the rest of world. So, around 1985, they got serious and >>> eventually >>> made significant improvements to the resultant quality. Unfortunately, >>> for many companies, like Bethlehem and LTV, it was too late. US Steel >>> is >>> still in business, but much smaller. >>> >>> The Roebling Works, that made the cable for the Brooklyn bridge, closed >>> their specialty mill down in the 1970s. The gate house was preserved >>> and turned into a little museum about the mill (everything else was >>> demolished and required a cleanup). Interesting stuff, although most >>> visitors are quite elderly. >>> >>> obcomp: They have paystubs on exhibit, apparently produced by an >>> NCR bookkeeping machine designed for payroll. But I read they got >>> an IBM 650. Since a lot of workers were paid by piecework, payroll >>> processing must've been complex. >>> >> >>AFAIK, the biggest steelmaker in the UK ia closeing down. A problem >>with getting coke, I think. > > That figures. > > The last coal mine in the UK closed down last year. > > Now we will have to sell coal to Newcastle. (AAMOF we already are. Have been doing that for decades now. > And sand to Sahara, and refridgerators to Greenland).
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 10:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnc3a2v.34c.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159385 |
On 2016-02-14, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > In article <slrnnc171g.196.mausg@smaus.org>, <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >>On 2016-02-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. Fifteen or so blacksmiths, attending a nearby workshop, were >>>> there to see how the Big Dogs did it. We did get to see the open >>>> hearth furnace dumped into a giant ladle, degassed and run into a >>>> mould. >>> >>> I've seen that on TV. The tapping of a furnace is supposed to be >>> quite neat to watch. >>> >>> I have a book on steel-making. There's all sorts of variations on >>> how they handle the steel depending on what resultant qualities are >>> desired. Lot of chemistry is involved. >>> >>> As I understand it, the US steel industry was pretty static for decades >>> until they finally woke up and realized they had to get more competitive >>> with the rest of world. So, around 1985, they got serious and eventually >>> made significant improvements to the resultant quality. Unfortunately, >>> for many companies, like Bethlehem and LTV, it was too late. US Steel is >>> still in business, but much smaller. >>> >>> The Roebling Works, that made the cable for the Brooklyn bridge, closed >>> their specialty mill down in the 1970s. The gate house was preserved >>> and turned into a little museum about the mill (everything else was >>> demolished and required a cleanup). Interesting stuff, although most >>> visitors are quite elderly. >>> >>> obcomp: They have paystubs on exhibit, apparently produced by an >>> NCR bookkeeping machine designed for payroll. But I read they got >>> an IBM 650. Since a lot of workers were paid by piecework, payroll >>> processing must've been complex. >>> >> >>AFAIK, the biggest steelmaker in the UK ia closeing down. A problem >>with getting coke, I think. > > That figures. > > The last coal mine in the UK closed down last year. > > Now we will have to sell coal to Newcastle. (AAMOF we already are. > And sand to Sahara, and refridgerators to Greenland). > > -- mrr > > A lot of Sahara sand is tainted with salt, so not really suitable. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 06:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7552f2e5-31bd-4d5e-8080-98c200118beb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159422 |
On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 3:29:07 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote: > On 2016-02-14, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > > Now we will have to sell coal to Newcastle. (AAMOF we already are. > > And sand to Sahara, and refridgerators to Greenland). > A lot of Sahara sand is tainted with salt, so not really suitable. And lots of sand just about everywhere is tainted with iron, there's precious little that's good for making optical glass. John Savard
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-14 17:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <877fi7vvgc.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159349 |
mausg@mail.com writes: > AFAIK, the biggest steelmaker in the UK ia closeing down. A problem > with getting coke, I think. Fifteen years ago, the Chinese sent a crew to Kaiserstuhl to dismantle and ship home in containers an ultramodern giga-Deutschmark coking plant that hadn't been able to make a go of it at $30 a ton. I recall reading that the Chinese were buying shiploads of coke already in transit and diverting them from their original destinations. At some point the price of metallurgical coke rose to $550 a ton. I didn't know this until I looked up Kaiserstuhl but the aluminum industry is apparently worrying about the supply of hitherto cheap-by-product petcoke, which is declining due to changing refinery tech and petroleum sources. What are the artist blacksmiths to do for a few tons here and there of metallurgical coal or coke when the Big Guys are creating chaotic markets in the megaton range? -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-14 18:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b82dd596-8ce8-454a-800e-c9256d8498ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159389 |
On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 4:22:47 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: > What are the artist blacksmiths to do for a few tons here and there of > metallurgical coal or coke when the Big Guys are creating chaotic > markets in the megaton range? The US Steel website doesn't say very much, but here is their blurb on their Clairton Works: Clairton Plant is located approximately 20 miles south of Pittsburgh in Clairton, Pa., and sits along the west bank of the Monongahela River. The largest coke manufacturing facility in the United States, Clairton Plant operates nine coke oven batteries and produces approximately 4.7 million tons of coke annually, serving customers in the commercial coke market as well as U. S. Steel's steelmaking facilities.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9tfrb31t66@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159311 |
On 2016-02-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: > >> Yes. Fifteen or so blacksmiths, attending a nearby workshop, were >> there to see how the Big Dogs did it. We did get to see the open >> hearth furnace dumped into a giant ladle, degassed and run into a >> mould. > > I've seen that on TV. The tapping of a furnace is supposed to be > quite neat to watch. > > I have a book on steel-making. There's all sorts of variations on > how they handle the steel depending on what resultant qualities are > desired. Lot of chemistry is involved. I once worked in the computer department of a steel foundry. On my first day I got a tour through the plant, so I could get an appreciation of what the numbers I was crunching really meant. Yes, it was pretty neat to see the furnace tapped. Before that, however, they'd pull a sample and send it off to the metallurgy lab. If the alloy wasn't exactly what they were after, they'd throw in small ingots that would correct the mix (with great clouds of smoke). There were several different methods of creating molds, depending on size, and then came the pouring, where the metal would flow through various gates and risers formed in the mold. All in all, an interesting process. One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 23:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n9u9au$gle$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159449 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > On 2016-02-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > >> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: >> >>> Yes. Fifteen or so blacksmiths, attending a nearby workshop, were >>> there to see how the Big Dogs did it. We did get to see the open >>> hearth furnace dumped into a giant ladle, degassed and run into a >>> mould. >> >> I've seen that on TV. The tapping of a furnace is supposed to be >> quite neat to watch. >> >> I have a book on steel-making. There's all sorts of variations on >> how they handle the steel depending on what resultant qualities are >> desired. Lot of chemistry is involved. > > I once worked in the computer department of a steel foundry. On my > first day I got a tour through the plant, so I could get an appreciation > of what the numbers I was crunching really meant. Yes, it was pretty > neat to see the furnace tapped. Before that, however, they'd pull a > sample and send it off to the metallurgy lab. If the alloy wasn't > exactly what they were after, they'd throw in small ingots that would > correct the mix (with great clouds of smoke). There were several > different methods of creating molds, depending on size, and then > came the pouring, where the metal would flow through various gates > and risers formed in the mold. All in all, an interesting process. > > One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can > go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come > into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. Same experience working at a chemical company. The one I was at was pretty big. The division I helped was divided into 3 plants across the country and a division HQ in NYC. Even with the office away from the plants, everything seemed more real. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 00:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na0e4s0267f@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159467 |
On 2016-02-16, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can >> go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come >> into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. > > Same experience working at a chemical company. > The one I was at was pretty big. The division I helped was divided > into 3 plants across the country and a division HQ in NYC. Even with > the office away from the plants, everything seemed more real. We had a couple of finishing plants located elsewhere. Yes, it was quite obvious to us that they were real - because we enhanced our inventory system to handle stock transfers between those locations. The users weren't quite so constrained by reality, though - they couldn't understand why we wouldn't let them put through a receipt for stuff that hadn't been shipped yet. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 21:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a826b31e-b085-4771-afc1-385dcb02530b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159449 |
On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:27:37 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I once worked in the computer department of a steel foundry. On my > first day I got a tour through the plant, so I could get an appreciation > of what the numbers I was crunching really meant. Yes, it was pretty > neat to see the furnace tapped. Before that, however, they'd pull a > sample and send it off to the metallurgy lab. If the alloy wasn't > exactly what they were after, they'd throw in small ingots that would > correct the mix (with great clouds of smoke). There were several > different methods of creating molds, depending on size, and then > came the pouring, where the metal would flow through various gates > and risers formed in the mold. All in all, an interesting process. I always wondered how a lab could handle a sample of molten steel, and determine its chemistry. But I think the steel industry has been doing this for many decades. Obviously, for steel making, a key factor is the carbon content. But they test for other stuff as well. _How_ the mold was created affected the quality of the steel. > One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can > go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come > into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. In terms of career, manufacturing was a mixed bag. For one thing, it was very cyclical. In good times, one could get a high paying job close to home, but when demand softened, one would be laid off and have trouble finding any work. Other businesses didn't pay as much, but usually offered more stability. Even back in the 1960s and 1970s, a factory could get bought out and closed, or work transferred to a newer plant. Most programmers I knew who worked in manufacturing usually had to change jobs every so often. Going to the shop floor was also a mixed bag. On the one hand, it could be very interesting. But it also could be very noisy, hot, even dangerous. Some of the workers (as in a steel mill) might not like white collar types roaming around, especially if labor relations were poor.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na0q7g32ist@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159471 |
On 2016-02-16, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:27:37 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can >> go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come >> into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. > > In terms of career, manufacturing was a mixed bag. For one thing, it > was very cyclical. In good times, one could get a high paying job > close to home, but when demand softened, one would be laid off and have > trouble finding any work. Other businesses didn't pay as much, but usually > offered more stability. Even back in the 1960s and 1970s, a factory > could get bought out and closed, or work transferred to a newer plant. True. But just as true today; we're feeling the slump in Alberta right now. When demand softened at this PPOE, I was called on to write a program to refine scheduling. It saved some jobs; I've always felt good about that. > Most programmers I knew who worked in manufacturing usually had to change > jobs every so often. I was wooed away. Otherwise I'd have stayed as long as I could; I enjoyed it there. > Going to the shop floor was also a mixed bag. On the one hand, it could > be very interesting. But it also could be very noisy, hot, even dangerous. I was only out there the once - well worth the trip, though. > Some of the workers (as in a steel mill) might not like white collar types > roaming around, especially if labor relations were poor. At the time, management was trying hard to not give the workers a reason to unionize; relations were pretty good. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 09:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dig7foFjsiqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159449 |
On 2016-02-15, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
> One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can
> go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come
> into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant.
Agreed. I worked in the process control department of a biscuit (cookie) and crisp (chip) manufacturer for several years. It was really interesting seeing real products being made, in stark contrast to the last 20 years of my career, working for banks. :o(
--
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my
attitude, that's your problem.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-16 15:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1602161528430.21030@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #159480 |
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016, Huge wrote: > On 2016-02-15, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > > [snip] > >> One thing I like about manufacturing applications was that you can >> go out on the shop floor and count the pieces - they don't just come >> into or out of existence at the whim of a politician or accountant. > > Agreed. I worked in the process control department of a biscuit (cookie) > and crisp (chip) manufacturer for several years. It was really > interesting seeing real products being made, in stark contrast to the > last 20 years of my career, working for banks. :o( > You should have gotten a job at a Mint, lots of money produced there. Michael
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 16:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87si0wwd5p.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159216 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 3:18:23 AM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: > >> On my only visit to a working steel mill, I sadly arrived at the >> rolling mill just after continuous red-hot railroad rail had missed a >> transfer from one roll to the next. It was all shut down and crews >> were out in the machinery with cutting torches, cutting maybe 100 yards >> of spaghettied rail out of all the places where it had ended up but >> shouldn't have. Looking on, my boot began to feel warm. When I looked >> down, I was standing about 18" from a pice of steel, maybe 10" x 16" x >> 30", an offcut from the billet they's started with, that was still red >> hot. Won't get that double-take moment in video. > > I think "lucky", not "sadly" would describe your missing the errant > rail transfer. Well, none of the errant steel had ended up where we were/would have been standing. And none of the regular crew had been hurt. > Those things are moving at high speed and very dangerous. Agreed. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 18:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f1ac06ae-8ff6-4850-82a2-7b001de0f082@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159261 |
On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:47:56 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: > > Those things are moving at high speed and very dangerous. > Agreed. There was once a big steel mill (8,000 employees) near us. They averaged three fatalities a year. I thought that was pretty horrendous, despite presumably the low odds. (I don't know how many serious injuries). Then I heard the most dangerous job is being a retail clerk on the late shift at a gas station, fast food joint, or convenience store.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 22:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n9ou9v$ng8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159310 |
On 2/13/2016 8:54 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:47:56 PM UTC-5, Mike Spencer wrote: > > >>> Those things are moving at high speed and very dangerous. >> Agreed. > > There was once a big steel mill (8,000 employees) near us. They > averaged three fatalities a year. I thought that was pretty > horrendous, despite presumably the low odds. (I don't know how > many serious injuries). > > Then I heard the most dangerous job is being a retail clerk on the > late shift at a gas station, fast food joint, or convenience store. The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts out a list every year. The most dangerous job: fisherman, followed by logger, pilot, garbageman, roofer, structural iron worker, construction laborer, farmer, truck driver, miner. Mostly workers around heavy machinery (or where gravity wants to kill you). The list is pretty stable from year to year, sometimes powerline worker, delivery driver, cabbie make the list. What's not on the "top 10" list: retail clerk, law enforcement, or coder. (The list doesn't seem to take the dangers of sedentary occupations into much account.) You could narrow the scope down to "retail clerk on late night shift in bad neighborhood in war zone under active bombardment", but that's sorta cheating, and still probably safer than being a fisherman. May pay better, too.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B92CF98A21D@aca41049.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159160 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2016-02-11, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I remember a Saturday show, most were about 5 minutes, called >> 'Industry on Parade'. >> >> They showed industry processes with the noise and the steam plumes, >> etc. Only smell was absent. > > I remember that show too. Great fun. > > Still, as others pointed out, there's nothing quite like seeing, > hearing, and feeling the real thing. > One of my grade class tours was through Kellogg's. I could not eat breakfast cereal after that tour because of the smell of the cooked cereal just before it was dried. :-) /BAH
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 23:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f5502058-903b-4661-8a43-82b5278fa8a2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159187 |
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 8:41:32 AM UTC-5, jmfbahciv wrote: > One of my grade class tours was through Kellogg's. I could not > eat breakfast cereal after that tour because of the smell > of the cooked cereal just before it was dried. :-) The supermarket bakery had a nice smell, and we were all hungry afterwards (they gave us treats). However, one time I had business at a Nabisco factory. Inside the plant the cookie odor was very strong and overpowering. I got out as quick as I could.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 16:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <di93roFpkbmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159217 |
On 2016-02-13, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 8:41:32 AM UTC-5, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>
>> One of my grade class tours was through Kellogg's. I could not
>> eat breakfast cereal after that tour because of the smell
>> of the cooked cereal just before it was dried. :-)
>
> The supermarket bakery had a nice smell, and we were all hungry
> afterwards (they gave us treats).
>
> However, one time I had business at a Nabisco factory. Inside the
> plant the cookie odor was very strong and overpowering. I got out as
> quick as I could.
I've worked in both biscuit (US: cookie) and crisp (US: chip) factories. I'm still very fond of both ...
--
I don't have an attitude problem. If you have a problem with my
attitude, that's your problem.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 18:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbus30.194.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159237 |
On 2016-02-13, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2016-02-13, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 8:41:32 AM UTC-5, jmfbahciv wrote: >> >> >>> One of my grade class tours was through Kellogg's. I could not >>> eat breakfast cereal after that tour because of the smell >>> of the cooked cereal just before it was dried. :-) >> >> The supermarket bakery had a nice smell, and we were all hungry >> afterwards (they gave us treats). >> >> However, one time I had business at a Nabisco factory. Inside the >> plant the cookie odor was very strong and overpowering. I got out as >> quick as I could. > > I've worked in both biscuit (US: cookie) and crisp (US: chip) factories. I'm still very fond of both ... > > A pub, central Dublin, many years go, TV was in its infancy. "Do you want to see something special" Assembled lumpenprolatriot, "Yes", "Well, get me a pint and a packet of crisps" Pint was produced, and the packet of crisps, and a plate. Crisps were put on the plate. A match was applied, gingerley , to the crisps. Whoosh, the crisps went up in a flash. We all thought "Abd we eat this?" -- greymaus . . ...
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