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  Firewire? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-09 22:43 +0000
    Re: Firewire? "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:20 +1100
    Re: Firewire? philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-02-09 18:24 -0600
      Re: Firewire? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-09 19:21 -0600
        Re: Firewire? philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-02-10 04:37 -0600
          Re: Firewire? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-10 12:45 -0500
      Re: Firewire? Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-10 17:39 +0000
      Re: Firewire? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-02-14 10:03 -0500
        Re: Firewire? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 12:23 -0500
          Re: Firewire? "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 04:55 +1100
    Re: Firewire? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-09 19:39 -0500
      Re: Firewire? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-09 21:44 -0500
        Re: Firewire? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:14 -0500
          Re: Firewire? philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-02-10 10:38 -0600
        Re: Firewire? Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-10 17:44 +0000
          Re: Firewire? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-10 15:30 -0500

#159120 — Firewire?

Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?

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#159124

"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote in message 
news:n9dpuc$hk9$1@dont-email.me...
> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?

As far as new products using it is concerned, yep. 

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#159125

On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>
>


It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple 
who now has gone to Thunderbolt. USB-3 as far as I know has become 
standard.

It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and 
realizing your plug is upside down.

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#159127

On 2/9/2016 6:24 PM, philo wrote:
> On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
>> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>>
>>
>
>
> It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple
> who now has gone to Thunderbolt.

It was popular in the video market. I've got a videocam and a portable 
hard drive that connect with Firewire.

USB-3 as far as I know has become
> standard.
>
> It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and
> realizing your plug is upside down.
>
>

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#159130

On 02/09/2016 07:21 PM, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 2/9/2016 6:24 PM, philo wrote:
>> On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
>>> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple
>> who now has gone to Thunderbolt.
>
> It was popular in the video market. I've got a videocam and a portable
> hard drive that connect with Firewire.
>

My (backup) slide and film scanner is firewire only, so I am going to 
always have such a port available.


> USB-3 as far as I know has become
>> standard.
>>
>> It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and
>> realizing your plug is upside down.
>>
>>
>

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#159141

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, philo wrote:

> On 02/09/2016 07:21 PM, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 2/9/2016 6:24 PM, philo wrote:
>>> On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
>>>> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple
>>> who now has gone to Thunderbolt.
>> 
>> It was popular in the video market. I've got a videocam and a portable
>> hard drive that connect with Firewire.
>> 
>
> My (backup) slide and film scanner is firewire only, so I am going to always 
> have such a port available.
>
>
I wsa going to say that so long as people have things that use Firewire, 
it can't be "obsolete" for them.

   Michael

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#159140

philo wrote:

> It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and
> realizing your plug is upside down.

Not me, I have a Nexus 5X and a Nokia N1 ...
</smug>

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#159345

In article <n9dvpk$96o$1@dont-email.me>, philo <philo@privacy.net> 
wrote:

> On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
> > Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
> >
> >
> 
> 
> It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple 
> who now has gone to Thunderbolt. USB-3 as far as I know has become 
> standard.
> 
> It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and 
> realizing your plug is upside down.

Mine is the 69 types of "B" terminators. Why they need micro and mini, 
for example.

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#159367

In article <proto-547192.10032814022016@news.panix.com>, proto@panix.com 
says...
> 
> In article <n9dvpk$96o$1@dont-email.me>, philo <philo@privacy.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
> > > Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple 
> > who now has gone to Thunderbolt. USB-3 as far as I know has become 
> > standard.
> > 
> > It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and 
> > realizing your plug is upside down.
> 
> Mine is the 69 types of "B" terminators. Why they need micro and mini, 
> for example.

I think it's a marketing thing--the mini is pretty durable, the micro 
seems to die every time you look at it, guaranteeing continued sales of 
cables.

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#159370

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.312a823070f02336989f7d@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <proto-547192.10032814022016@news.panix.com>, proto@panix.com
> says...
>>
>> In article <n9dvpk$96o$1@dont-email.me>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 02/09/2016 04:43 PM, gareth wrote:
>> > > Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > It's been fairly dead for quite a few years. It was most used by Apple
>> > who now has gone to Thunderbolt. USB-3 as far as I know has become
>> > standard.
>> >
>> > It seems everyone's pet peeve with USB is simply trying to connect and
>> > realizing your plug is upside down.
>>
>> Mine is the 69 types of "B" terminators. Why they need micro and mini,
>> for example.
>
> I think it's a marketing thing

No, it was designed that way.

> --the mini is pretty durable, the micro
> seems to die every time you look at it,

Not if you use a well made micro.

guaranteeing continued sales of
> cables.

That's how it was designed, so that if it dies,
its normally the cable end that dies and is much
easier to replace than what the cable plugs into. 

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#159126

"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:

> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?

I just read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

and I'd say, no.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#159128

Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:

> "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
>
>> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>
> I just read:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394
>
> and I'd say, no.

To clarify, IEEE-1394 (Firewire) does some things USB has yet to dream of.
Each endpoint on Firewire is a fully functioning host.
In the few applications where Firewire is required, Firewire will
probably remain.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#159131

In article <n9e816$t2r$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
> 
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
> 
> > "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
> >
> >> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
> >
> > I just read:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394
> >
> > and I'd say, no.
> 
> To clarify, IEEE-1394 (Firewire) does some things USB has yet to dream of.
> Each endpoint on Firewire is a fully functioning host.
> In the few applications where Firewire is required, Firewire will
> probably remain.

But what consumer products in production today actually need or use 
those capabilities, or even, for that matter, have FireWire ports?

As a technology, it will probably have some tiny little niche for a long 
time to come.  As an interface for consumer devices, it's substantially 
dead.

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#159137

On 02/10/2016 05:14 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <n9e816$t2r$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
>>
>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
>>
>>> "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Has Firewire now died the death in the face of very high speed USB?
>>>
>>> I just read:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394
>>>
>>> and I'd say, no.
>>
>> To clarify, IEEE-1394 (Firewire) does some things USB has yet to dream of.
>> Each endpoint on Firewire is a fully functioning host.
>> In the few applications where Firewire is required, Firewire will
>> probably remain.
>
> But what consumer products in production today actually need or use
> those capabilities, or even, for that matter, have FireWire ports?
>
> As a technology, it will probably have some tiny little niche for a long
> time to come.  As an interface for consumer devices, it's substantially
> dead.
>
>

Yep. it does not matter how good (or bad) it is, I have not seen any 
newer computers that have such a port .


Steve Jobs himself more or less declared it dead back in 2008

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#159142

Dan Espen wrote:

> IEEE-1394 (Firewire) does some things USB has yet to dream of.

Such as sucking the RAM contents out of an unsuspecting machine via DMA?

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#159143

Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> writes:

> Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> IEEE-1394 (Firewire) does some things USB has yet to dream of.
>
> Such as sucking the RAM contents out of an unsuspecting machine via DMA?

Yep, there did seem to be security issues.
But this is a cable you bought in a store, not something
you found on the street.

-- 
Dan Espen

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