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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300 |
| Last post | 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 381 — 58 participants |
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DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 15:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 10:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-01-26 14:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-26 17:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 10:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 16:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-25 11:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-01-25 16:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 17:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2016-01-25 19:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:15 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 13:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-26 08:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 11:32 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-01-27 19:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2016-01-27 22:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 15:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 23:55 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-27 21:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:00 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 21:02 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:03 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 20:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 10:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-29 23:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 03:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:25 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-01 17:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 21:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 00:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 03:04 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 23:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:24 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:12 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-05 02:51 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 10:47 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 10:21 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-06 08:06 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 10:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 04:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-17 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-05 20:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-05 23:12 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-06 01:34 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 07:39 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 14:02 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 10:01 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 11:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:14 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:08 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-05 19:05 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 21:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 21:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 02:59 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:38 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 18:58 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 17:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-26 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 09:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 11:41 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 12:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 15:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 07:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 21:16 +0200
Re: DEC and The Americans "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-28 10:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-03 00:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-06 11:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-06 18:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 15:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-07 05:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-07 11:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-07 11:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-07 20:06 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:06 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:52 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:56 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 12:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 16:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:08 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:10 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-04 13:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 14:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-05 14:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 10:34 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:08 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 15:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-06 14:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-07 12:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-07 19:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:11 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:43 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-06 13:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 14:22 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:52 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-06 16:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 20:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 06:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:10 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-07 19:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:16 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:22 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 11:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-09 13:55 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 16:13 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:49 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-07 12:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:09 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:56 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:59 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 14:38 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 15:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:17 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:03 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-09 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 10:36 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 02:52 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-11 11:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:58 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-11 21:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-11 17:07 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-11 15:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-11 17:56 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-12 00:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:04 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2016-02-12 23:19 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-16 15:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 15:35 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-11 17:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-11 22:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-12 12:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 07:23 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-12 14:50 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 01:39 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:17 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:50 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-13 08:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:54 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 19:06 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 03:50 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-14 14:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 07:35 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:37 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 05:09 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 17:05 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 18:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-14 19:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 17:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 03:08 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-15 08:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 10:07 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 16:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:43 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 22:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 00:36 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 21:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 09:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:04 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 14:57 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2016-02-17 01:08 +0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 18:55 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-14 15:24 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:40 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 11:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-15 06:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 17:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 18:13 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-15 23:45 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-15 21:00 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-16 15:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:47 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 18:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-13 22:05 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-13 16:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-13 18:05 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans roger.ivie@gmail.com - 2016-02-13 11:18 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-02-15 22:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-15 23:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:44 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:18 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-09 18:42 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Warren Adams <adamswa@hiwaay.net> - 2016-02-08 17:00 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-09 03:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-08 08:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 16:50 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:13 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 11:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 18:26 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:16 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 19:01 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-10 07:34 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-11 04:30 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:03 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 15:51 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-11 18:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-12 08:13 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-12 12:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:46 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-12 12:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:33 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-25 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 11:18 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 06:14 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 17:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 10:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:12 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 16:20 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:37 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:03 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 17:31 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-28 10:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 07:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 10:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 21:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 12:48 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 11:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:40 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 17:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans bleep@compy.0-0 (Colonel Bleep) - 2016-01-30 07:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-02 18:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8245cffe-b21f-476e-b027-f19ce3d4ac69@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #158654 |
On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 5:39:27 PM UTC-7, William Pechter wrote: > They would've been better run as separate 11/780s... Probably put the > Soviet computer program back a few years... Well, there was an add-on for the VAX that turned it into a small Cray. John Savard
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052ADDDF34AF49@aca48097.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158654 |
William Pechter wrote: > In article <PM00052A523B95B608@aca4109b.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Charles Richmond wrote: >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00052A3CF4346EF5@aca46c41.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Michael Black wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, RS Wood wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone here familiar with that TV series, The Americans?[1] If you're >>>>>> not, >>>> I >>>>>> can recommend it - it's pretty well done drama, set in about 1982 >>>> Washington >>>>>> DC, where undercover KGB agents and the FBI are facing off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thought I'd mention it because every scene shot within the Russian >>>>>> embassy >>>> to >>>>>> the USA (ie, the USSR's building in Washington DC) features a lot of >>>>>> prominent shots of DEC VT100 terminals gracing everyone's desks. >>>>>> >>>>>> At first I thought, typical Hollywood - they chose DEC because the >>>> terminals >>>>>> look a bit more dated than the more modern PCs sitting on the desks of >>>>>> the >>>>>> FBI, but poking around a bit [2], it might be accurate: the VT100 >>>>>> reigned >>>>>> from about 1978 to 1982, so that would correspond with the show. >>>>>> >>>>> But could the Soviets buy DEC computers? >>>> >>> >>> One way the Soviets bought modern computers is to have a third-party in some >>> other country, like Germany or France, to buy the U.S. computer. The >>> computer would be transferred to the USSR in secret. So the Soviets could >>> *not* legally buy advanced US computers, but they could buy them through >>> back-alley deals. >> >>They tried that but the VAX was intercepted, IIRC, in Germany. >> >>/BAH > > Yup... let's see where it was... September 10, 1984 Computerworld. > > Page 4 -- DEC fined 1.5 million following export investigation (this was > for a VAX 11/782 shipped via a German Company (Deutsche Integrated Time). > > The owner of DIT (Richard Mueller) had been involved in the 1970's in two > export violation cases. > > The VAX 11/782 was such a crock we should've let them have it. <grin> Some people in Marlboro had a similar opinion. > IIRC -- I had to move memory between the main cpu and attached processor > so they could back up the beast at RCA's Semiconductor in Sommerville NJ... > > A flawed design hack which was master/slave and lousy. Software support sucked. Yea, well, the OS people at the time had biases which would keep the OS from making that hardware work. > They would've been better run as separate 11/780s... Probably put the > Soviet computer program back a few years... > > https://goo.gl/7G86LH I wonder why DEC got fined. The story I heard was that DIT was about a third or maybe fourth party so that the Feds wouldn't be able to track the sale. /BAH
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-03 12:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4df0bfe0-763c-4abb-a3fd-c53c22099c24@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #158694 |
On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: > I wonder why DEC got fined. Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run by a man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been brought against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness to close a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of someone who would buy such a computer. So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not to just any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in business? Who are its investors? John Savard
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158729 |
Quadibloc wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: > >> I wonder why DEC got fined. > > Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. > > But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run by a > man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been brought > against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness to close > a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of someone who > would buy such a computer. But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought the system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever the Russian front was--DIT?]. > > So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not to just > any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in business? Who are its investors? I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 05:01 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhhi0oFpv1jU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158807 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... > Quadibloc wrote: >> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >> >>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >> >> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >> >> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run >> by a >> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been brought >> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness to > close >> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >> someone > who >> would buy such a computer. > > But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought the > system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever the > Russian front was--DIT?]. >> >> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not to > just >> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >> business? > Who are its investors? > > I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; > certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were > expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. > hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. > That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. No one ever did any credit check of my operation.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B06A1E5522F@aca41119.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158837 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... >> Quadibloc wrote: >>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >>> >>> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >>> >>> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run >>> by a >>> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been brought >>> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness to >> close >>> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >>> someone >> who >>> would buy such a computer. >> >> But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought the >> system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever the >> Russian front was--DIT?]. >>> >>> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not to >> just >>> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >>> business? >> Who are its investors? >> >> I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; >> certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were >> expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. > > BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. > >> hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. >> That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. > > No one ever did any credit check of my operation. Unless you paid cash, you had a credit check done by the banks. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 04:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhk58oFfeavU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158887 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B06A1E5522F@aca41119.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... >>> Quadibloc wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >>>> >>>> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >>>> >>>> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run >>>> by a >>>> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been >>>> brought >>>> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness >>>> to >>> close >>>> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >>>> someone >>> who >>>> would buy such a computer. >>> >>> But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought the >>> system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever the >>> Russian front was--DIT?]. >>>> >>>> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not >>>> to >>> just >>>> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >>>> business? >>> Who are its investors? >>> >>> I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; >>> certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were >>> expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. >> >> BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. >> >>> hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. >>> That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. >> >> No one ever did any credit check of my operation. > > Unless you paid cash, you had a credit check done by the banks. So you paid cash if you didn’t want that to happen. Not exactly rocket science.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B1AC1659C6F@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158900 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052B06A1E5522F@aca41119.ipt.aol.com... >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Quadibloc wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >>>>> >>>>> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >>>>> >>>>> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company run >>>>> by a >>>>> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been >>>>> brought >>>>> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness >>>>> to >>>> close >>>>> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >>>>> someone >>>> who >>>>> would buy such a computer. >>>> >>>> But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought the >>>> system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever the >>>> Russian front was--DIT?]. >>>>> >>>>> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not >>>>> to >>>> just >>>>> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >>>>> business? >>>> Who are its investors? >>>> >>>> I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; >>>> certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were >>>> expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. >>> >>> BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. >>> >>>> hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. >>>> That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. >>> >>> No one ever did any credit check of my operation. >> >> Unless you paid cash, you had a credit check done by the banks. > > So you paid cash if you didn’t want that to happen. Not exactly rocket > science. I can't remember anyone paying cash. A town would issue a bond; that also requires other people doing credit checking but not the manufacturer. /BAH
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 11:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dhmpqbF55i6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158948 |
"jmfbahciv" wrote: > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052B06A1E5522F@aca41119.ipt.aol.com... >>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Quadibloc wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >>>>>> >>>>>> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company >>>>>> run >>>>>> by a >>>>>> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been >>>>>> brought >>>>>> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its eagerness >>>>>> to >>>>> close >>>>>> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >>>>>> someone >>>>> who >>>>>> would buy such a computer. >>>>> >>>>> But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought >>>>> the >>>>> system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever >>>>> the >>>>> Russian front was--DIT?]. >>>>>> >>>>>> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but not >>>>>> to >>>>> just >>>>>> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >>>>>> business? >>>>> Who are its investors? >>>>> >>>>> I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; >>>>> certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were >>>>> expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. >>>> >>>> BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. >>>> >>>>> hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. >>>>> That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. >>>> >>>> No one ever did any credit check of my operation. >>> >>> Unless you paid cash, you had a credit check done by the banks. >> >> So you paid cash if you didn’t want that to happen. Not exactly rocket >> science. > > I can't remember anyone paying cash. A town would issue a bond; that > also requires other people doing credit checking but not the manufacturer. Rod has switched the subject on you. He started by saying no one checked *his* credit. He is now telling how *someone* could avoid having his credit checked. If he wanted to. One could only conclude that Rod does not have, and has never had, a credit card. Or he pressed 'send' too soon. I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had a company issued Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 18:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160206180940.96839b3ffcfb012f1c558e08@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #158956 |
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:45:48 -0600 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote: > One could only conclude that Rod does not have, and has never had, a > credit card. Or he pressed 'send' too soon. > > I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing > watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had a company issued > Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a credit card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 15:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n95pj8$b0k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #158958 |
On 06-Feb-16 12:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote: >> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was >> embarrassing watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had >> a company issued Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. > > It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a credit > card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. That depends on how strict your definition of "credit card" is; they do now require a payment card, but that includes anonymous debit cards that you can purchase from any convenience store with cash. It needs to have enough money on it to cover the authorization, typically at least $300, rather than just the rental charge, but the difference is released when you return the car. Hotels are similar. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 05:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160207053322.961b3b8240f8a48769d31b3d@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #158970 |
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:49:08 -0600 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 06-Feb-16 12:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was > >> embarrassing watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had > >> a company issued Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. > > > > It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a credit > > card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. > > That depends on how strict your definition of "credit card" is; they do > now require a payment card, but that includes anonymous debit cards that Nope when my wife rented a car recently a credit card was required, not a debit card, they were quite insistent about it being a credit card. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B2F3FE2DE97@aca2d604.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158982 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:49:08 -0600 > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > >> On 06-Feb-16 12:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was >> >> embarrassing watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had >> >> a company issued Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. >> > >> > It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a credit >> > card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. >> >> That depends on how strict your definition of "credit card" is; they do >> now require a payment card, but that includes anonymous debit cards that > > Nope when my wife rented a car recently a credit card was required, > not a debit card, they were quite insistent about it being a credit card. > How odd. A lot of people have replaced their credit cards for debit cards in the US. /BAH
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 11:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87k2mge3mx.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #158994 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: > How odd. A lot of people have replaced their credit cards for debit cards > in the US. led to crisis for card associations ... interchange fee for credit card transactions is enormously larger than service fee for debit cards transations. card associations tried to counter it with the introduction of "signature debit" and forced it as default at point-of-sale ... worked just like credit, ran through the credit card network and had the same intercvhange fee as credit (but was debit account backend instead credit account ... which has some other problems). Retail Merchant Assocation sued the card associations for it and eventually won .... getting several billion in damages (aka retail merchants were being forced to paying enormously larger fees when debit transaction ran througgh as signature debit through the credit card networks ... than they had to pay when it ran as pin debit through the debit networks). However, nearly all debit cards now have little (credit) card association logo on them ... enabling them for signature debit, running over the credit network and subject to credit transaction fees. The other issue with credit transaction fees was that they were heavily prorated based on associated fraud rates. Introduction of strong anti-fraud technologies was resisted because it would eliminate the fraud surchange which was up to 90% of fees (cutting it to close to pin debit). A difference between EU and US is that in EU, these fees account for less than 10% of bank bottom line ... but for many major banks in the US, it accounts for 40-60% of their bottom line (the fraud surcharge has an enormous profit component). To anticipate eventually having to deploy strong anti-fraud technologies, they have spent much of the last decade on "cash back" programs .... for electronic transactions ... the bank profit margin on the "cash back" fees charged merchants designed to replace the enormous profit on fraud surchanges ... that can be drastically reduced with deployment of strong anti-fraud technologies (periodically in the 90s and last decade, there have been discussions on how banks love card fraud because they've used it to justify such huge profits). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 11:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n97vg3$80c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #158982 |
On 2/6/2016 11:33 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:49:08 -0600 > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > >> On 06-Feb-16 12:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was >>>> embarrassing watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had >>>> a company issued Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. >>> >>> It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a credit >>> card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. >> >> That depends on how strict your definition of "credit card" is; they do >> now require a payment card, but that includes anonymous debit cards that > > Nope when my wife rented a car recently a credit card was required, > not a debit card, they were quite insistent about it being a credit card. > Might be different in the US.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 20:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n98t1o$mkg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #158982 |
On 06-Feb-16 23:33, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 06-Feb-16 12:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> It appears that it is now impossible to rent a car without a >>> credit card, even if you pay the extra for no excess insurance. >> >> That depends on how strict your definition of "credit card" is; >> they do now require a payment card, but that includes anonymous >> debit cards that > > Nope when my wife rented a car recently a credit card was required, > not a debit card, they were quite insistent about it being a credit > card. I've done it myself, and I've seen friends do it. This site breaks down the policies, which vary widely between chains: https://www.theflightexpert.com/how-to-rent-a-car-with-a-debit-card/ However, it clearly varies (for good or bad) by location, so you may have to call several to find the right one. Also, it seems that many only allow it for non-local renters; that seems backward to me, but presumably they have the statistics to back it up. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 06:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhmuhoF6d6fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158956 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message news:dhmpqbF55i6U1@mid.individual.net... > "jmfbahciv" wrote: > >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00052B06A1E5522F@aca41119.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:PM00052AF33715924B@aca42396.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>> Quadibloc wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:25:56 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder why DEC got fined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given that DEC did not admit wrongdoing, it's reasonable to wonder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But a subsidiary of DEC had sold restricted technology to a company >>>>>>> run >>>>>>> by a >>>>>>> man with links to the KGB. Thus, the case would likely have been >>>>>>> brought >>>>>>> against DEC on the basis that its German subsidiary, in its >>>>>>> eagerness >>>>>>> to >>>>>> close >>>>>>> a sale, failed to do due diligence - to verify the _bona fides_ of >>>>>>> someone >>>>>> who >>>>>>> would buy such a computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> But that company wasn't a DEC subsidiary. Some other company bought >>>>>> the >>>>>> system from DEC and sold/transferred (or something) it to [whatever >>>>>> the >>>>>> Russian front was--DIT?]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So they can sell one to Siemens, or to the German government, but >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> to >>>>>> just >>>>>>> any fellow who walks in off the street. How long was the firm in >>>>>>> business? >>>>>> Who are its investors? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't remember ever having that kind of examination done; >>>>>> certainly nobody talked about it. Since DEC products were >>>>>> expensive, only large companies or universities bought gear. >>>>> >>>>> BULLSHIT. Our town of 20K administration did. >>>>> >>>>>> hmmm...I wonder when DEC did start doing credit checks of customers. >>>>>> That had to start once hard/software prices got real cheap. >>>>> >>>>> No one ever did any credit check of my operation. >>>> >>>> Unless you paid cash, you had a credit check done by the banks. >>> >>> So you paid cash if you didn’t want that to happen. Not exactly rocket >>> science. >> >> I can't remember anyone paying cash. A town would issue a bond; that >> also requires other people doing credit checking but not the >> manufacturer. > > Rod has switched the subject on you. Nope. > He started by saying no one checked *his* credit. Because she stupidly claimed that DEC checked everyone's credit before selling them anything. > He is now telling how *someone* could avoid having his credit checked. If > he wanted to. That's not switching subject, its still discussing credit checks. > One could only conclude that Rod does not have, and has never had, a > credit card. I did in fact get one as soon as it was possible and in fact built my house on a bare block of land using credit cards until there was enough already built for the credit union to be prepared to write a mortgage. > Or he pressed 'send' too soon. Didn’t do that either. > I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing > watching his treatment checking into a motel. He had a company issued > Hertz card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. Now you're the one changing subject. When ever I doubt anything from DEC, normally hardware, I paid for it up front so there was never any credit check by any bank.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B2F50455907@aca2d604.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158956 |
Osmium wrote: > "jmfbahciv" wrote: > >> Rod Speed wrote: > Rod has switched the subject on you. Sigh! I missed that. Thanks for the heads-up. > > I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing > watching his treatment checking into a motel. Yea, it can be. I avoided that by having a $100 bill on the counter whenever I checked in but these were not city hotels. > He had a company issued Hertz > card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. > My brother's company sent him to Poland. His credit card was not acceptable in Poland so he was stuck without any funds. he got on a plane and came back to the US and his boss he'll go back to do the job when he could eat and sleep and drive without a hassle. Poland recognizes the usual credit cards now. /BAH
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 09:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dhp7h2FnoggU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158996 |
"jmfbahciv" wrote: > Osmium wrote: >> "jmfbahciv" wrote: >> >>> Rod Speed wrote: > >> Rod has switched the subject on you. > > Sigh! I missed that. Thanks for the heads-up. > >> >> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing >> watching his treatment checking into a motel. > > Yea, it can be. I avoided that by having a $100 bill on the counter > whenever I checked in but these were not city hotels. > >> He had a company issued Hertz >> card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. >> > My brother's company sent him to Poland. His credit card was not > acceptable in Poland so he was stuck without any funds. he got > on a plane and came back to the US and his boss he'll go back > to do the job when he could eat and sleep and drive without > a hassle. > > Poland recognizes the usual credit cards now. We used to get travelers checks prior to foreign travel. When I came back from a trip to London, I had some checks left over and decided to cash them out at a supermarket. I still had my passport with me so used that as id. The clerk had never seen a passport and refused to accept it. I had to show her a *valid* id, fortunately I also had my driver's license.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 11:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3121412e9a273b31989f5b@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #158998 |
In article <dhp7h2FnoggU1@mid.individual.net>, r124c4u102@comcast.net says... > > "jmfbahciv" wrote: > > > Osmium wrote: > >> "jmfbahciv" wrote: > >> > >>> Rod Speed wrote: > > > >> Rod has switched the subject on you. > > > > Sigh! I missed that. Thanks for the heads-up. > > > >> > >> I used to travel with a guy who had no credit card. It was embarrassing > >> watching his treatment checking into a motel. > > > > Yea, it can be. I avoided that by having a $100 bill on the counter > > whenever I checked in but these were not city hotels. > > > >> He had a company issued Hertz > >> card and an Air Travel Card, nothing else. > >> > > My brother's company sent him to Poland. His credit card was not > > acceptable in Poland so he was stuck without any funds. he got > > on a plane and came back to the US and his boss he'll go back > > to do the job when he could eat and sleep and drive without > > a hassle. > > > > Poland recognizes the usual credit cards now. > > We used to get travelers checks prior to foreign travel. When I came back > from a trip to London, I had some checks left over and decided to cash them > out at a supermarket. I still had my passport with me so used that as id. > The clerk had never seen a passport and refused to accept it. I had to show > her a *valid* id, fortunately I also had my driver's license. I used to mess with clerks by giving them my pilot's license and pistol permit. At the time I looked like a stereotypical Arab terrorist. For some reason I never got any argument from them.
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