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1976 vs. 2016?

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-01-10 19:18 -0800
Last post2016-01-12 02:52 +0000
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  1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-10 19:18 -0800
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-11 17:34 +1100
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 06:50 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 05:44 +1100
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 13:31 +0000
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-11 14:15 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 15:21 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:41 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-01-15 20:18 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? timcaffrey420@gmail.com - 2016-01-15 15:47 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-15 23:25 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 06:32 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:32 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 20:34 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:21 -0600
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-01-16 21:06 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-18 08:46 -0700
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-01-18 22:22 +0000
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-11 01:05 -0600
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-11 10:56 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-11 17:48 +0000
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-11 19:13 +0000
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mathias Koerber <mathias@koerber.org> - 2016-01-29 17:45 +0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-29 09:25 -0600
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 04:59 +1100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:24 +1100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-29 22:30 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:22 -0600
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-30 09:31 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:45 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-30 15:30 +0000
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:18 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 14:30 -0800
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 17:10 -0600
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 18:51 -0500
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-30 11:03 +0100
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 11:20 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-30 05:15 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 22:05 -0400
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-30 15:19 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mathias Koerber <mathias@koerber.org> - 2016-02-01 13:27 +0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:17 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 19:47 -0600
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 22:09 -0400
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 14:28 -0800
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 18:44 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 18:26 -0800
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 04:34 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-31 09:42 +0000
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 04:54 +1100
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-31 21:31 +0000
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 19:27 -0500
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 12:38 +1100
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-01 01:43 +0000
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 13:29 +1100
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-01 07:15 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 19:56 +1100
                                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-01 21:36 +0000
                                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 10:00 +1100
                                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 00:39 +0000
                                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 13:01 +1100
                                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 08:23 +0000
                                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 19:30 +1100
                                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 09:18 +0000
                                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-02 09:55 +0000
                                                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 12:19 +0000
                                                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-02 16:54 +0000
                                                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 18:35 +0000
                                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-03 05:22 +1100
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-01 07:53 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 20:01 +1100
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-01 11:02 +0000
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 05:36 +1100
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-01 19:25 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 09:27 +1100
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mathias Koerber <mathias@koerber.org> - 2016-02-02 12:45 +0800
                                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 16:23 +1100
                                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-02 08:24 +0000
                                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-02 20:34 +0000
                                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-03 01:18 +0000
                                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 15:25 +1100
                                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-02-03 08:45 +0000
                                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 20:51 +1100
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-31 14:09 -0800
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 12:46 +1100
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-31 20:16 -0600
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-31 07:19 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-31 14:46 +0000
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-31 15:22 +0000
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-31 15:48 +0000
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-31 16:43 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 12:55 -0500
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-31 17:55 +0000
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-31 20:36 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 09:24 +0000
                                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-01 10:07 +0000
                                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 10:42 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-02-01 12:56 +0000
                                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-01 16:48 +0000
                                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-02-02 09:42 +0000
                                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-02 17:05 +0000
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-31 21:34 +0000
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-02-02 00:46 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-02 09:58 +0000
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-31 15:30 +0000
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-31 16:44 +0000
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 16:26 -0600
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-01 00:06 +0100
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 13:02 +1100
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 21:55 -0600
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 12:52 +1100
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-31 17:59 -0800
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 20:40 -0600
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 09:25 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 12:52 -0600
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 21:23 +0000
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:52 -0600
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 16:13 -0600
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 16:02 -0600
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-31 17:14 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-31 16:33 -0600
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:11 -0500
                            Dollar Coins in Coin Op Gear in the US Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-31 18:35 -0600
                              Re: Dollar Coins in Coin Op Gear in the US Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 20:51 -0600
                                Re: Dollar Coins in Coin Op Gear in the US Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-01 09:10 -0600
                                  Re: Dollar Coins in Coin Op Gear in the US Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 13:08 -0600
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 19:11 -0600
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-31 19:42 -0600
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 20:09 -0600
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-01 08:59 -0600
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-31 18:10 -0800
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 21:17 -0600
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-01 06:34 -0800
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 12:01 -0600
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 13:18 +1100
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 22:30 -0500
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-02-01 17:02 +0000
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 13:08 -0500
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-02 03:18 -0400
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-02 07:44 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 19:12 +1100
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-02 14:14 +0000
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-02-02 14:37 +0000
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 23:10 -0500
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-01 09:28 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 11:51 -0600
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 13:07 -0500
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-02 03:31 -0400
                                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 12:40 -0800
                                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:45 -0500
                                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-03 18:24 +0000
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-01 07:53 +0000
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:12 -0500
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-01 16:15 +0000
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 06:01 +1100
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-31 17:56 -0800
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 15:58 -0600
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-31 17:52 -0800
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:12 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 12:23 -0600
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-01 14:05 -0600
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-01 12:43 -0800
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-02 00:12 +0000
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 15:27 -0600
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-02 00:08 +0000
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-01 18:24 -0600
                                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 19:07 -0600
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 13:13 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 17:03 -0600
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-31 02:58 +0100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 14:32 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 17:08 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-30 07:11 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-30 11:07 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 10:56 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-30 22:00 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 17:17 -0600
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-31 12:56 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 14:25 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 00:42 -0600
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mathias Koerber <mathias@koerber.org> - 2016-01-29 17:45 +0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:42 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-29 23:25 -0500
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 05:27 +1100
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-01-11 09:03 +0000
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 09:06 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 06:27 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 14:01 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 09:29 -0800
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 09:58 -0800
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-11 10:29 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-11 09:45 -0600
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-11 17:06 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-11 18:55 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 19:57 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 12:59 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 09:35 +1100
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-12 10:53 +0000
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-11 17:48 +0000
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 09:54 -0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-11 18:43 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 13:49 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 01:15 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 06:31 +1100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:52 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 17:33 -0800
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:18 +0100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:12 +0100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 04:52 +1100
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-12 20:05 +0100
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-12 18:36 -0600
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2016-01-13 21:27 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-14 00:15 -0600
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-13 02:34 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 14:16 +1100
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-14 00:23 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 15:14 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 22:07 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 19:41 -0600
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-16 23:56 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-12 02:56 -0400
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:30 +0100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 15:20 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 08:40 +1100
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 05:37 +1100
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 14:10 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 11:38 -0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 06:59 +1100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-12 08:28 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? timcaffrey420@gmail.com - 2016-01-11 11:54 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 11:57 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 15:29 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-11 20:46 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-11 19:30 -0800
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-11 02:59 -0800
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 07:44 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-11 22:39 +0100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-12 13:24 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-12 13:57 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 05:12 +1100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-12 17:19 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 19:38 -0600
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 08:07 -0800
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:50 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 05:07 +1100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-12 23:48 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 11:57 +1100
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-13 04:28 +0000
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 15:47 +1100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-12 19:57 +0100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-13 14:13 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-13 15:15 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-14 13:46 +0000
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:20 +1100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-13 14:13 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:10 +1100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-13 23:35 -0400
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-14 11:40 -0500
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:55 +0100
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-15 01:11 -0400
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-15 12:10 -0800
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-18 08:50 -0700
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-18 16:11 +0000
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-18 21:23 +0000
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-18 10:04 -0800
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-18 10:29 -0800
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:16 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-15 01:15 -0400
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-13 23:35 -0400
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 06:27 -0500
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 06:55 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 14:07 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:36 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-12 06:17 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:15 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-12 11:09 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 07:30 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 07:41 -0800
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 18:52 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 07:24 -0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-11 09:51 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 16:04 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 10:18 -0800
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 09:49 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 10:10 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-11 22:50 +0100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 06:11 +1100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-11 22:16 +0100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 18:21 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 17:25 -0800
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 23:24 -0600
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-12 06:31 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 13:42 -0500
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 15:14 -0500
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 15:43 -0600
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 09:55 +1100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:07 +0100
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:22 -0800
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 13:58 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 11:53 -0800
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 15:56 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 13:52 -0800
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-13 00:15 +0100
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 19:18 -0800
                              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-13 08:29 +0100
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 17:10 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:32 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 17:07 -0800
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 07:34 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 16:07 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 11:48 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 20:01 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-11 22:28 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-12 11:03 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 18:52 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 05:42 +1100
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 14:57 +0000
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 07:15 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 16:03 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 11:48 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 10:15 -0800
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 13:54 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 06:41 +1100
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-11 20:03 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-11 13:15 -0600
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 11:55 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-11 17:12 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-11 19:35 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 14:03 -0500
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 11:26 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 20:00 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 15:30 -0500
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-11 19:45 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 15:27 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 13:10 -0800
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 18:15 -0500
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-11 18:02 -0600
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:53 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 00:06 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-12 14:39 +0000
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:01 -0500
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 22:07 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-12 08:21 +0000
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 06:56 -0500
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-12 07:19 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:26 -0800
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-12 16:22 +0000
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-12 13:16 -0500
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 05:23 +1100
                      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:52 -0600
                        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 23:22 -0600
                          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:14 -0600
                            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:52 -0500
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 13:59 -0500
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-13 23:15 -0400
                    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-14 05:44 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-12 10:56 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 13:49 -0500
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-12 13:24 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-12 16:18 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-12 14:37 +0000
                  Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:35 -0800
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-12 08:17 +0000
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-12 13:24 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-12 17:21 +0000
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 18:52 +0000
                Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 19:44 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-12 11:31 -0600
            Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-12 14:00 -0500
              Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 15:14 -0500
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 06:00 +1100
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-11 15:22 +0000
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-11 15:54 +0000
    Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-11 14:14 -0500
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-11 11:52 -0800
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 07:03 +1100
        Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-11 22:28 +0000
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-12 10:34 +1100
          Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 17:59 -0800
      Re: 1976 vs. 2016? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-12 02:52 +0000

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#158233

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-30 05:15 +0000
Message-ID<20160130051538.dd48d854741e3d9675f32f8b@eircom.net>
In reply to#158200
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:30:04 -0500
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> > As an extra bonus, some sadist seems to have decreed that clerks
> > shall give you your change by first placing the bills on the
> > palm of your hand, then setting the coins on top in an unsteady
> > ziggurat that's almost guaranteed to slide off onto the floor
> > before you can get it to your pocket.  Who makes up this stuff?
> 
> Then they put the receipt, and the stack if coupons the register prints,
> on top.

	This is one of the universal bad habits, I've lost track of the
number of countries I've suffered it in. It particularly irritates me be
cause I want to put the coins in my pocket the notes in my wallet, and the
coupons in another section of my wallet.

-- 
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#158217

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2016-01-29 22:05 -0400
Message-ID<877fir4yan.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#158156
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> As an extra bonus, some sadist seems to have decreed that clerks
> shall give you your change by first placing the bills on the
> palm of your hand, then setting the coins on top in an unsteady
> ziggurat that's almost guaranteed to slide off onto the floor
> before you can get it to your pocket.  Who makes up this stuff?

Which is especially effective with the new Canadian bills made from
the same stuff they make those sled-wannabe snow-slding toys from.

>> I had a colleague learn this only at almost 40 years of age
>> mindboggling really..
> 
> I wish it was taught again.  But for there to be enough common
> sense for that to happen is what would be truly mindboggling.

I've had one person count out my change in the last, oh, say 30 years
or as long as I can remember, whichever is greater.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#158256

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-01-30 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<PM00052A8E6145DD54@aca2028e.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#158217
Mike Spencer wrote:
>
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> As an extra bonus, some sadist seems to have decreed that clerks
>> shall give you your change by first placing the bills on the
>> palm of your hand, then setting the coins on top in an unsteady
>> ziggurat that's almost guaranteed to slide off onto the floor
>> before you can get it to your pocket.  Who makes up this stuff?
>
> Which is especially effective with the new Canadian bills made from
> the same stuff they make those sled-wannabe snow-slding toys from.
>
>>> I had a colleague learn this only at almost 40 years of age
>>> mindboggling really..
>>
>> I wish it was taught again.  But for there to be enough common
>> sense for that to happen is what would be truly mindboggling.
>
> I've had one person count out my change in the last, oh, say 30 years
> or as long as I can remember, whichever is greater.
>
Clerks, who are immigrants, count out the change here.

/BAH

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#158445

FromMathias Koerber <mathias@koerber.org>
Date2016-02-01 13:27 +0800
Message-ID<56AEECB2.5070808@koerber.org>
In reply to#158156
> The standard procedure nowadays is to enter the amount tendered,
> read the calculated change off the cash register, then say
> "$6.72 is your change" while handing it to you.  And it still
> takes as long to pull the change out of the drawer as it would
> take while counting it up the old-fashioned way.  (Meanwhile,
> while I'm bristling at that, I'm also cross-checking by mentally
> counting back my change in the method described above, which I
> can do in the time it takes the clerk to hand it to me.)

Right, and in all this one has to trust the calculator.
In my above mentod, both parties implicitely confirm the correctness
of the change (modulo that a correct coin/nots is in fact given at
each point) during the process..
So there is no need for the customer (if he paid attention)
to separately count the received change again. Win on so may levels.


> As an extra bonus, some sadist seems to have decreed that clerks
> shall give you your change by first placing the bills on the
> palm of your hand, then setting the coins on top in an unsteady
> ziggurat that's almost guaranteed to slide off onto the floor
> before you can get it to your pocket.  Who makes up this stuff?

Sadists, ad you so rightly mentioned.


> I wish it was taught again.  But for there to be enough common
> sense for that to happen is what would be truly mindboggling.

:-)

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#158205

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2016-01-29 19:17 -0600
Message-ID<n8h2pi$o6k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#158118
"Mathias Koerber" <mathias@koerber.org> wrote in message 
news:56AB34BF.9030305@koerber.org...
> On 12/1/16 1:48, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>> If you wanted to buy something you gave the clerk some money and she
>>> probably gave you some change. The clerk had to puzzle out, from first
>>> principles, how much money to give you as change.
>>
>> There was a well-established technique of counting back change that was
>> taught to just about everyone.  It's simple, effective, and one of the
>
> There was? Still is. (I hope it still gets taught).
>
> Example:
>

Another related thing goes like this:

You buy something costing $5.19.  You give the clerk a five dollar bill 
*and* 19 cents more.  The clerk says:  "The five dollars will cover the 
cost... why did you give me the 19 cents???"

Well 'duh!!!  You gave the 19 cents so the clerk could just give you a one 
dollar bill in change, instead of a bunch of coins!!!  I know very few 
people who want to carry around a pocket full of coins!!!

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#158214

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-29 19:47 -0600
Message-ID<9b5oabh1k6vuil2c7pd59bop74qtqfefht@4ax.com>
In reply to#158205
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:17:14 -0600, "Charles Richmond"
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>"Mathias Koerber" <mathias@koerber.org> wrote in message 
>news:56AB34BF.9030305@koerber.org...
>> On 12/1/16 1:48, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> If you wanted to buy something you gave the clerk some money and she
>>>> probably gave you some change. The clerk had to puzzle out, from first
>>>> principles, how much money to give you as change.
>>>
>>> There was a well-established technique of counting back change that was
>>> taught to just about everyone.  It's simple, effective, and one of the
>>
>> There was? Still is. (I hope it still gets taught).
>>
>> Example:
>>
>
>Another related thing goes like this:
>
>You buy something costing $5.19.  You give the clerk a five dollar bill 
>*and* 19 cents more.  The clerk says:  "The five dollars will cover the 
>cost... why did you give me the 19 cents???"
>
>Well 'duh!!!  You gave the 19 cents so the clerk could just give you a one 
>dollar bill in change, instead of a bunch of coins!!!  I know very few 
>people who want to carry around a pocket full of coins!!!

I used to give the pennies and paper bills. It would throw them for a
loop.

Item plaus tax costs $3.97

I gave the cashier a $5 bill and 2 pennies. Their brain froze up.

I said, you owe me a dollar and 5 cents. Called me a liar, and the
superisor came over. Looked at the total and what I gave the cashier.
Handed me a dollar and 5 cents. Then apologized. Cashier, 'What are
you apologizing for ?!'. I exited with my change and my item.

-- 
JimP.

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#158219

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2016-01-29 22:09 -0400
Message-ID<8737tf4y41.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#158214
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:

> I used to give the pennies and paper bills. It would throw them for a
> loop.
> 
> Item plaus tax costs $3.97
> 
> I gave the cashier a $5 bill and 2 pennies. Their brain froze up.

This is why Canada has abolished the penny: part of the free mental
heath support for cashiers. Isn't socialized medicine great?

> I said, you owe me a dollar and 5 cents. Called me a liar, and the
> superisor came over. Looked at the total and what I gave the cashier.
> Handed me a dollar and 5 cents. Then apologized. Cashier, 'What are
> you apologizing for ?!'. I exited with my change and my item.


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#158313

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-30 14:28 -0800
Message-ID<6a77d7ef-5dc8-4c56-a765-29c76b500a57@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#158219
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I used to give the pennies and paper bills. It would throw them for a
> > loop.
> > 
> > Item plaus tax costs $3.97
> > 
> > I gave the cashier a $5 bill and 2 pennies. Their brain froze up.

> This is why Canada has abolished the penny: part of the free mental
> heath support for cashiers. Isn't socialized medicine great?

In the United States, it costs 2.4 cents to mint a penny. In Canada, it cost 
slightly less, but it was still more than a cent.

In Canada, our politicians are slightly less populist, and have been able to 
inflict the equivalent of the Susan B. Anthony dollar on the population, which 
has been helpless to resist. While I favor democracy as much as the next 
person, I can't think this is a bad thing.

Avoiding the cost of replacing paper dollar bills is an important practical 
measure that shouldn't be held up because people are reluctant to accept it. 
Much the same might be said of metrication.

John Savard

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#158329

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-30 18:44 -0500
Message-ID<178029475.475890088.507946.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158313
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> I used to give the pennies and paper bills. It would throw them for a
>>> loop.
>>> 
>>> Item plaus tax costs $3.97
>>> 
>>> I gave the cashier a $5 bill and 2 pennies. Their brain froze up.
> 
>> This is why Canada has abolished the penny: part of the free mental
>> heath support for cashiers. Isn't socialized medicine great?
> 
> In the United States, it costs 2.4 cents to mint a penny. In Canada, it cost 
> slightly less, but it was still more than a cent.
> 
> In Canada, our politicians are slightly less populist, and have been able to 
> inflict the equivalent of the Susan B. Anthony dollar on the population, which 
> has been helpless to resist. While I favor democracy as much as the next 
> person, I can't think this is a bad thing.
> 
> Avoiding the cost of replacing paper dollar bills is an important practical 
> measure that shouldn't be held up because people are reluctant to accept it. 
> Much the same might be said of metrication.
> 

The big problem with the dollar coins is that the treasury seems to be
stuck in a rut of making them the same size as a quarter.  I remember the
Eisenhower dollars, and when you had one  of those you knew you had a
dollar.  Changing the vending machines to accept dollar coins is another
problem, but soluble.

-- 
Pete

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#158336

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-30 18:26 -0800
Message-ID<f0ac87b3-1186-442d-b7d3-904110d0af3c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#158329
On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 6:44:33 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:

> The big problem with the dollar coins is that the treasury seems to be
> stuck in a rut of making them the same size as a quarter.  I remember the
> Eisenhower dollars, and when you had one  of those you knew you had a
> dollar.  Changing the vending machines to accept dollar coins is another
> problem, but soluble.

I believe the vending machine industry originally wanted the dollar
coin, and AFAIK, machines today do take them.

But the people who load the machines tell me they don't like them
as they're too easily confused with a quarter.  Supposedly the dollar
coin has features so that the blind can tell them apart, but visually
impaired people tell me they're hard to distinguish

Also, I think when the new dollar coin first came out, dollar bill readers
weren't so cheap, but now they are and every machine as them.


In addition, some nickels have a new design, which is confusing.

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#158342

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-31 04:34 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.31179f403205305e989f17@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158336
In article <f0ac87b3-1186-442d-b7d3-904110d0af3c@googlegroups.com>, 
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
> 
> On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 6:44:33 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> > The big problem with the dollar coins is that the treasury seems to be
> > stuck in a rut of making them the same size as a quarter.  I remember the
> > Eisenhower dollars, and when you had one  of those you knew you had a
> > dollar.  Changing the vending machines to accept dollar coins is another
> > problem, but soluble.
> 
> I believe the vending machine industry originally wanted the dollar
> coin, and AFAIK, machines today do take them.
> 
> But the people who load the machines tell me they don't like them
> as they're too easily confused with a quarter.  Supposedly the dollar
> coin has features so that the blind can tell them apart, but visually
> impaired people tell me they're hard to distinguish
> 
> Also, I think when the new dollar coin first came out, dollar bill readers
> weren't so cheap, but now they are and every machine as them.
> 
> 
> In addition, some nickels have a new design, which is confusing.

The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give 
change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full 
of dollar coins.

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#158343

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-31 09:42 +0000
Message-ID<20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net>
In reply to#158342
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give 
> change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full 
> of dollar coins.

	The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as
I found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an ATM.
It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling on
expenses.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#158367

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-02-01 04:54 +1100
Message-ID<dh7034F55u8U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158343

"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give
>> change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full
>> of dollar coins.
>
> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as
> I found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an ATM.
> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling on
> expenses.

Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone. 

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#158386

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-01-31 21:31 +0000
Message-ID<dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158367
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:

> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give
>>> change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full
>>> of dollar coins.
>>
>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as I
>> found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an
>> ATM.
>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling on
>> expenses.
> 
> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.

In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card waved 
over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on exit. You 
are then charged the correct amount.

Simple and effective.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#158405

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-31 19:27 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.31187070132f9d90989f20@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#158386
In article <dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says...
> 
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
> 
> > "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
> > news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
> >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
> >> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give
> >>> change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full
> >>> of dollar coins.
> >>
> >> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as I
> >> found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an
> >> ATM.
> >> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling on
> >> expenses.
> > 
> > Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
> 
> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card waved 
> over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on exit. You 
> are then charged the correct amount.
> 
> Simple and effective.

For most things at work we just wave our ID badge, but the vending 
machines still want real money.  I don't usually use them--there's a 
self-serve concession area that works on badge-swipe, but every now and 
then it's closed for whatever reason.

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#158414

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-02-01 12:38 +1100
Message-ID<dh7r93FbqqnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158386

"Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message 
news:dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
>
>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they give
>>>> change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a hand full
>>>> of dollar coins.
>>>
>>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as I
>>> found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an
>>> ATM.
>>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling on
>>> expenses.
>>
>> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
>
> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card waved
> over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on exit. You
> are then charged the correct amount.
>
> Simple and effective.

In Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, Australia, it’s a
dedicated electronic card. That allows the system to do
much more like allows the system to charge children
differently, allows seniors to go anywhere they like
all day for a total charge of just $2.50, and in Melbourne
allows them to travel for free on Sunday etc.

And allows the system to gracefully handle the situation
where you either forget to tap on or tap off on a particular
trip. You just pay the default fee which is the average trip.

And allows them to have completely automatic
season tickets where what you pay is capped by
the week or month or quarter etc too.

All the user has to do is setup an automatic top
up of the card once the level is below a specified
level. It does that from whatever you tell it to top
up from, bank account, any sort of card etc.

You can also add cash as well if you want to be
completely anonymous. 

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#158418

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-02-01 01:43 +0000
Message-ID<dh7rhiFfseU13@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158414
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:38:39 +1100, jack wrote:

> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
> news:dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net...
>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
>>
>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they
>>>>> give change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a
>>>>> hand full of dollar coins.
>>>>
>>>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as I
>>>> found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an
>>>> ATM.
>>>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling
>>>> on expenses.
>>>
>>> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
>>
>> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card
>> waved over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on
>> exit. You are then charged the correct amount.
>>
>> Simple and effective.
> 
> In Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, Australia, it’s a dedicated
> electronic card. That allows the system to do much more like allows the
> system to charge children differently, allows seniors to go anywhere
> they like all day for a total charge of just $2.50, and in Melbourne
> allows them to travel for free on Sunday etc.
> 
> And allows the system to gracefully handle the situation where you
> either forget to tap on or tap off on a particular trip. You just pay
> the default fee which is the average trip.
> 
> And allows them to have completely automatic season tickets where what
> you pay is capped by the week or month or quarter etc too.
> 
> All the user has to do is setup an automatic top up of the card once the
> level is below a specified level. It does that from whatever you tell it
> to top up from, bank account, any sort of card etc.
> 
> You can also add cash as well if you want to be completely anonymous.

That has been available for a long time in London too. But people who 
only visit sporadically (like me) don't find it so convenient.

The charge is the same whether you use the debit card or the dedicated 
card. And it's capped at quite a reasonable amount either way.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#158433

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-02-01 13:29 +1100
Message-ID<dh7u84Fceu3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158418

"Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message 
news:dh7rhiFfseU13@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:38:39 +1100, jack wrote:
>
>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>> news:dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they
>>>>>> give change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a
>>>>>> hand full of dollar coins.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as I
>>>>> found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from an
>>>>> ATM.
>>>>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling
>>>>> on expenses.
>>>>
>>>> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
>>>
>>> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card
>>> waved over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on
>>> exit. You are then charged the correct amount.
>>>
>>> Simple and effective.
>>
>> In Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, Australia, it’s a dedicated
>> electronic card. That allows the system to do much more like allows the
>> system to charge children differently, allows seniors to go anywhere
>> they like all day for a total charge of just $2.50, and in Melbourne
>> allows them to travel for free on Sunday etc.
>>
>> And allows the system to gracefully handle the situation where you
>> either forget to tap on or tap off on a particular trip. You just pay
>> the default fee which is the average trip.
>>
>> And allows them to have completely automatic season tickets where what
>> you pay is capped by the week or month or quarter etc too.
>>
>> All the user has to do is setup an automatic top up of the card once the
>> level is below a specified level. It does that from whatever you tell it
>> to top up from, bank account, any sort of card etc.
>>
>> You can also add cash as well if you want to be completely anonymous.
>
> That has been available for a long time in London too. But people
> who only visit sporadically (like me) don't find it so convenient.

I visit all those sporadically myself and find it very convenient
indeed. Just would prefer they all used the same card.

> The charge is the same whether you use the debit card or the dedicated
> card. And it's capped at quite a reasonable amount either way.

But the non dedicated card doesn’t allow you to calculate
at say the end of the day that it's a senior who has made
lots of trips all over the place on that day and who will
just be charged a total of just $2.50 for the whole day
instead of for each of the trips. And if that person just
does the one trip that costs $1, charge them just $1.

And doesn’t allow day or week or month caps for
anyone either where once you reach the cap, you can
do anything you like trip wise for free in that period.

And doesn’t gracefully handle when
you forget to tap on or tap off either.

In fact those cards all operate right thruout
the entire state, not just in the state capitals.

Like I said, the only real nuisance is that its a different
card for each state instead of a national one. 

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#158447

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-02-01 07:15 +0000
Message-ID<dh8f0mFfseU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158433
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 13:29:20 +1100, jack wrote:

> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
> news:dh7rhiFfseU13@mid.individual.net...
>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:38:39 +1100, jack wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>>> news:dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they
>>>>>>> give change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a
>>>>>>> hand full of dollar coins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as
>>>>>> I found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from
>>>>>> an ATM.
>>>>>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling
>>>>>> on expenses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
>>>>
>>>> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card
>>>> waved over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on
>>>> exit. You are then charged the correct amount.
>>>>
>>>> Simple and effective.
>>>
>>> In Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, Australia, it’s a dedicated
>>> electronic card. That allows the system to do much more like allows
>>> the system to charge children differently, allows seniors to go
>>> anywhere they like all day for a total charge of just $2.50, and in
>>> Melbourne allows them to travel for free on Sunday etc.
>>>
>>> And allows the system to gracefully handle the situation where you
>>> either forget to tap on or tap off on a particular trip. You just pay
>>> the default fee which is the average trip.
>>>
>>> And allows them to have completely automatic season tickets where what
>>> you pay is capped by the week or month or quarter etc too.
>>>
>>> All the user has to do is setup an automatic top up of the card once
>>> the level is below a specified level. It does that from whatever you
>>> tell it to top up from, bank account, any sort of card etc.
>>>
>>> You can also add cash as well if you want to be completely anonymous.
>>
>> That has been available for a long time in London too. But people who
>> only visit sporadically (like me) don't find it so convenient.
> 
> I visit all those sporadically myself and find it very convenient
> indeed. Just would prefer they all used the same card.
> 
>> The charge is the same whether you use the debit card or the dedicated
>> card. And it's capped at quite a reasonable amount either way.
> 
> But the non dedicated card doesn’t allow you to calculate at say the end
> of the day that it's a senior who has made lots of trips all over the
> place on that day and who will just be charged a total of just $2.50 for
> the whole day instead of for each of the trips. And if that person just
> does the one trip that costs $1, charge them just $1.

It doesn't handle the 'senior' case, true. But it does the rest. But the 
saving over not using a card is great anyway (50% or so).

> And doesn’t allow day or week or month caps for anyone either where once
> you reach the cap, you can do anything you like trip wise for free in
> that period.

It does. I have had such caps applied. Although only on a daily basis.

> And doesn’t gracefully handle when you forget to tap on or tap off
> either.

That happens the same way with the dedicated card and the non-dedicated 
one.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#158452

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-02-01 19:56 +1100
Message-ID<dh8l6tFhgnsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#158447

"Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message 
news:dh8f0mFfseU14@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 13:29:20 +1100, jack wrote:
>
>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>> news:dh7rhiFfseU13@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:38:39 +1100, jack wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>>>> news:dh7cpaFfseU8@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 04:54:41 +1100, jack wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20160131094248.39f4c0b282484fa720279fae@eircom.net...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 04:34:45 -0500 "J. Clarke"
>>>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The vending machines at work will take bills up to $20, but they
>>>>>>>> give change in coins--put a 20 in and buy a soda and you'll get a
>>>>>>>> hand full of dollar coins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ticket machines for the Seattle transit system are like that as
>>>>>>> I found when I arrived at SeaTac with nothing but large bills from
>>>>>>> an ATM.
>>>>>>> It takes a while to offload that much change when you're travelling
>>>>>>> on expenses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another good reason for the machines to take cards or the phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> In London, UK, the Underground (subway) will take a bank debit card
>>>>> waved over a sensor on the gate. You wave it on entry, then again on
>>>>> exit. You are then charged the correct amount.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple and effective.
>>>>
>>>> In Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, Australia, it’s a dedicated
>>>> electronic card. That allows the system to do much more like allows
>>>> the system to charge children differently, allows seniors to go
>>>> anywhere they like all day for a total charge of just $2.50, and in
>>>> Melbourne allows them to travel for free on Sunday etc.
>>>>
>>>> And allows the system to gracefully handle the situation where you
>>>> either forget to tap on or tap off on a particular trip. You just pay
>>>> the default fee which is the average trip.
>>>>
>>>> And allows them to have completely automatic season tickets where what
>>>> you pay is capped by the week or month or quarter etc too.
>>>>
>>>> All the user has to do is setup an automatic top up of the card once
>>>> the level is below a specified level. It does that from whatever you
>>>> tell it to top up from, bank account, any sort of card etc.
>>>>
>>>> You can also add cash as well if you want to be completely anonymous.
>>>
>>> That has been available for a long time in London too. But people who
>>> only visit sporadically (like me) don't find it so convenient.
>>
>> I visit all those sporadically myself and find it very convenient
>> indeed. Just would prefer they all used the same card.
>>
>>> The charge is the same whether you use the debit card or the dedicated
>>> card. And it's capped at quite a reasonable amount either way.
>>
>> But the non dedicated card doesn’t allow you to calculate at say the end
>> of the day that it's a senior who has made lots of trips all over the
>> place on that day and who will just be charged a total of just $2.50 for
>> the whole day instead of for each of the trips. And if that person just
>> does the one trip that costs $1, charge them just $1.

> It doesn't handle the 'senior' case, true. But it does the rest.

No it doesn’t. It doesn’t handle the other situation where there
is a fixed charge to go anywhere in the day, week or month but
only charges you for the actual cost of the particular trip when
that is less than the fixed charge that allows you to go anywhere
as often as you like.

> But the saving over not using a card is great anyway (50% or so).

Sure, but you get that with the dedicated card too. In fact they no
longer allow you to buy individual tickets either using cards or cash
anymore, that stopped on 1-Jan-16 in Sydney. So they don’t have
anyone selling tickets anymore and no ticket machines either. Its
all done with the cards which are tapped on the post at the stops
or just inside some of the transport modes like buses which have
a lot more stops than the trains and light rail or ferries.

>> And doesn’t allow day or week or month caps for anyone either where once
>> you reach the cap, you can do anything you like trip wise for free in
>> that period.
>
> It does. I have had such caps applied. Although only on a daily basis.

Yeah, the card completely replaces all season tickets and in fact
all tickets of all types completely, so there is no longer any need
for ticket machines at all or anyone selling tickets either. Completely
electronic now.

>> And doesn’t gracefully handle when you forget to tap on or tap off
>> either.
>
> That happens the same way with the dedicated
> card and the non-dedicated one.

It can't with the non dedicated cards because there
is no guarantee that the same card will be used at
each end of the trip.

With the dedicated card there is just one card.

And 'ticket' inspection is much better too. The
inspectors just get you to tap the card on the
device they carry with them and if you haven't
tapped on you get slugged with a massive fine.

There are no tickets at all now. 

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