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Thanks Obama

Started byDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
First post2016-01-18 10:35 -0500
Last post2016-01-24 10:08 +0000
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  Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 10:35 -0500
    Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 16:09 +0000
      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-18 17:17 +0000
        Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-18 19:19 +0000
      Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:44 -0400
        Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 07:28 +0000
          Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 12:42 +0000
    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:18 -0500
      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 04:25 +1100
        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:56 -0500
          Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-18 13:08 -0600
            Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-18 12:00 -0800
              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:28 -0500
            Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 09:45 +0100
              Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:37 +1100
          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:35 +1100
            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0500
              Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 07:22 +0000
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:42 -0500
          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 18:55 -0600
            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:41 -0500
              Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 22:40 -0500
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 23:11 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 23:26 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 08:08 +0000
                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:56 -0600
                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:57 -0500
                      Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:32 -0600
                      Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:05 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:27 -0800
                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:55 -0800
              Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:06 +0100
                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:48 -0500
                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 14:44 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 09:07 -0600
                      Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:43 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:49 -0500
                        Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:09 +0000
                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 15:21 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 16:24 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 17:04 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:44 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 10:53 -0600
                          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:22 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:19 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:47 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:24 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:55 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-20 17:07 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:59 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:32 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 12:03 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:12 -0600
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:14 -0800
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-23 21:17 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:13 -0800
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:25 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:10 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:40 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:03 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:01 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 12:15 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:07 +1100
                            Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:54 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:20 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 19:47 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:27 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:09 +1100
                    Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 07:30 -0800
                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 12:22 -0500
                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:35 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 10:59 -0800
                        Re: Thanks Obama Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-19 16:26 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:31 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:51 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 17:05 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:59 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:03 -0500
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:19 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:56 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:12 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:31 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:45 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:27 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:45 -0500
                                          Re: Thanks Obama "Sam James" <cf@nospam.com> - 2016-01-21 05:26 +1100
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:48 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-20 00:56 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:16 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:47 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:17 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:43 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-21 05:28 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:26 +1100
                          Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:22 +1100
                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:09 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:23 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:39 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:44 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:36 -0500
                              Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 07:00 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +1100
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 08:08 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:18 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:56 -0500
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:51 +0000
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:36 +1100
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:53 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 04:28 +1100
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 18:56 +0000
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:44 +1100
                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 06:59 -0500
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 08:16 -0500
                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 15:58 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 16:37 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-21 10:47 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:33 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 17:22 -0500
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:30 -0800
                                              Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 11:05 +0000
                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:21 +1100
                      Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 20:56 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:01 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:11 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 18:09 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:44 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:58 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 23:48 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:34 -0800
                                    Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:06 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:55 -0600
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:00 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:45 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:03 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 14:00 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:23 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:32 +0000
                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 20:34 -0600
                                Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 02:51 +0000
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:46 -0500
                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:19 -0800
                          Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 17:42 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:42 -0800
                                Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:10 +1100
                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:30 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:35 -0600
                            Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:31 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:05 +1100
                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:20 -0600
                          Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:23 +0000
                            Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:31 -0800
                              Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 08:59 +1100
                          Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:55 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 17:24 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:04 -0600
                              Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:24 +0000
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:52 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:31 +1100
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 20:53 -0800
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:34 +1100
                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:58 -0500
                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:15 -0600
                                  Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 19:39 +0000
                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 20:09 -0600
                                      Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:30 +1100
                                      Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 02:29 +0000
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:39 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-27 15:12 -0500
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:18 -0500
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-28 00:30 +0100
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:45 -0500
                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 20:46 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:26 -0600
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 13:11 -0600
                                          Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-27 15:31 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:20 -0500
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:16 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:23 +0000
                                              Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-28 09:14 -0600
                                                Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 15:34 +0000
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:11 +0000
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:27 -0600
                                              Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 12:52 -0600
                                                Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 14:10 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:19 +0000
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:57 +0100
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-29 14:08 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 15:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 05:10 +1100
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 22:13 +0100
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:59 +1100
                                                Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 15:43 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 03:06 -0400
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 19:53 +1100
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-29 09:12 -0600
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 18:36 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 09:48 +0000
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-29 07:48 -0800
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 13:40 -0600
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 17:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 22:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 17:40 -0600
                                                              Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 19:38 -0600
                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 18:14 -0800
                                                                Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:47 -0500
                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:31 -0600
                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 10:40 -0500
                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:21 -0600
                                                                          Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-31 00:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:24 -0600
                                                                          Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:32 -0500
                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:29 -0600
                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 16:57 -0600
                                                                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 19:00 -0500
                                                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:43 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:22 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:30 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 21:56 -0600
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 18:25 -0400
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                                                          Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:08 +0000
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                                  Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:35 +0000
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:11 -0600
                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 23:17 -0600
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-28 13:15 -0800
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:43 -0500
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                                              Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-27 09:23 +1100
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
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                            Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 18:40 -0800
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                    Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 15:51 +0000
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                              Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:54 -0500
                            Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
                          Re: Thanks Obama Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-01-20 11:32 +0000
                        Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 17:39 +0000
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                              Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:48 -0800
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                            Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:01 +0000
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                                    Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:08 -0600
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                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 11:01 -0800
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                                  Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 19:23 -0800
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                                        Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 18:33 -0500
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:35 -0600
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-26 18:23 +0000
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                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:44 -0800
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                                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 16:58 -0800
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                                                                        Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:26 +0000
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                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:03 +0000
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                                                                                    Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:24 +0000
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                                                                            Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:27 -0600
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                                                      Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 16:04 +0000
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                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 16:36 -0600
                                                  Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:03 -0500
                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:12 -0600
                                            Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 09:48 -0500
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                                                Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:02 -0800
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                                                  Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 15:16 -0600
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                                                    Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 14:12 -0800
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                                                    Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-26 11:04 -0800
                                                      Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:20 -0800
                                                        Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 14:29 -0600
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 17:08 -0800
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                                                        Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:37 -0800
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:46 -0800
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                                                              Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
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#157257

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-20 22:08 -0600
Message-ID<n7plfa$obm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157254
On 20-Jan-16 20:40, J. Clarke wrote:
> stephen@sprunk.org says...
>> On 20-Jan-16 13:39, Roger Blake wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-20, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>>> spending that creates jobs, and it's the poor who mostly
>>>> spend.
>>> 
>>> The poor have almost nothing to spend. That's part of the 
>>> definition.
>> 
>> No, but they spend nearly all of what little they do have; they
>> have little choice.  If they get a little more, they'll spend that
>> too.
> 
> This is something that the "the poor spend" idiots don't get.  When
> a poor person needs transportation, what does he do?  "Buy a new
> car" isn't it.  If he needs clothing, what does he do?  "Buy new
> clothes" isn't it.  Give 50,009 a year to one person and you'll get a
> variety of new goods bought.  Give the same to 10 poor people and
> you'll get a variety of hand-me-downs bought.

They had to buy those things anyway.  Having more money means they'll
buy more of those items, buy better quality items, or buy other items
they couldn't afford before--any of which improves their standard of
living and drives economic growth.

The point is that they don't hoard it or speculate with it.

> And neither one is going to be investing in getting new businesses 
> started or new products created.

There is no point in investing in a new business or product if your
customers don't have money to give you.

>>> On the other hand, when you discourage those with money from 
>>> spending it you destroy jobs.
>> 
>> As incomes go up, though, the fraction of incremental income that
>> is spent goes down and the fraction that is hoarded or speculated
>> goes up, reducing the macroeconomic benefit or even reversing it.
> 
> If you call investing "hoarded or speculated".

There is a small subset that is neither; otherwise, yes.

>>> One of the textbook examples was the yacht tax in the budget
>>> passed by "Read My Lips No New Taxes" Bush the Elder in 1990,
>>> which also affected other luxury items.
>>>
>>> The result of the tax, according to a study done by the Joint 
>>> Economic Committee, was 7600 jobs destroyed in the boating
>>> industry, 1470 in the aircraft industry, and 330 in jewelry
>>> manufacturing. These cost $24.2 million in unemployment benefits
>>> and lost tax revenue. So the tax was a net loss of $7.6 million
>>> to the federal mafia. The real losers were the workers who lost
>>> their jobs thanks to these gangsters.
>> 
>> Do you really think the prospective yacht-buyers burned their
>> money instead?  It's reasonable to assume they bought something
>> else--and thereby created other jobs that replaced those lost in
>> the taxed industries, which means the tax no net effect.
> 
> Perhaps they hoarded or speculated instead?

That's also possible but IMHO less likely.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157263

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-01-21 07:35 +0000
Message-ID<p6GdnVWcI7KhFz3LnZ2dnUU78cudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#157188
On 20/01/2016 19:15, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
{snip}

> The main macroeconomic benefit of progressive taxation is that it takes
> more from the rich (who mostly hoard or speculate) and less from the
> poor (who mostly spend), which benefits everyone--even the rich!

This is the 21st century not the 19th. The poor spend on consumer goods 
made in Asia. That is bad for the balance of payments.

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#157265

From"James Green" <667755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-21 19:35 +1100
Message-ID<dgbji8F6bk2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157263

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:p6GdnVWcI7KhFz3LnZ2dnUU78cudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 20/01/2016 19:15, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> {snip}
>
>> The main macroeconomic benefit of progressive taxation is that it takes
>> more from the rich (who mostly hoard or speculate) and less from the
>> poor (who mostly spend), which benefits everyone--even the rich!
>
> This is the 21st century not the 19th. The poor spend on consumer goods 
> made in Asia.

So does everyone else.

> That is bad for the balance of payments.

But good for those who are making what they buy. 

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#157287

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-21 11:08 -0600
Message-ID<n7r34c$jk5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157263
On 21-Jan-16 01:35, Andrew Swallow wrote:
> On 20/01/2016 19:15, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> The main macroeconomic benefit of progressive taxation is that it
>> takes more from the rich (who mostly hoard or speculate) and less
>> from the poor (who mostly spend), which benefits everyone--even the
>> rich!
> 
> This is the 21st century not the 19th. The poor spend on consumer
> goods made in Asia.

They spend on goods _or services_.

Services can't be exported, and more buying of services creates jobs for
other poor people and thus a virtuous cycle.

The middle-class and rich _also_ buy goods from Asia because, for most
things, there's no other option.  That's a different problem.

However, even for goods that are _manufactured_ in Asia, the profits
stay here in the US (benefiting the rich) and create white collar jobs
(benefiting the middle-class).  Everyone wins.

> That is bad for the balance of payments.

It is the natural result of our broken tax _structure_.  Sadly, the only
candidate even _talking_ about this problem is Trump, who would be a
horrific choice for many other reasons; I doubt the other candidates
even understand the problem.  If any of the talking heads do, they're
staying awfully quiet about it.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157296

From"James Green" <667755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-22 04:33 +1100
Message-ID<dgcj3lFed9iU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157287

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
news:n7r34c$jk5$1@dont-email.me...
> On 21-Jan-16 01:35, Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 20/01/2016 19:15, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> The main macroeconomic benefit of progressive taxation is that it
>>> takes more from the rich (who mostly hoard or speculate) and less
>>> from the poor (who mostly spend), which benefits everyone--even the
>>> rich!
>>
>> This is the 21st century not the 19th. The poor spend on consumer
>> goods made in Asia.
>
> They spend on goods _or services_.
>
> Services can't be exported,

Plenty of them can be and are, like call centers.

and more buying of services creates jobs for
> other poor people and thus a virtuous cycle.
>
> The middle-class and rich _also_ buy goods from Asia because, for most
> things, there's no other option.  That's a different problem.
>
> However, even for goods that are _manufactured_ in Asia, the profits
> stay here in the US (benefiting the rich) and create white collar jobs
> (benefiting the middle-class).  Everyone wins.
>
>> That is bad for the balance of payments.
>
> It is the natural result of our broken tax _structure_.

It’s the result of so much manufacturing at
the low end moving to China and China not
needing to buy all that much from the US.

Some places like Australia have a balance of payments
result in Australia's favour with China and Japan.

Sadly, the only
> candidate even _talking_ about this problem is Trump, who would be a
> horrific choice for many other reasons; I doubt the other candidates
> even understand the problem.

You clearly don’t.

If any of the talking heads do, they're
> staying awfully quiet about it.
 

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#157303

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-01-21 19:33 +0100
Message-ID<ktk7nc-9l7.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#157188
In article <n7om7h$epu$1@dont-email.me>,
Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>On 19-Jan-16 21:58, J. Clarke wrote:
>> stephen@sprunk.org says...
>>> On 19-Jan-16 16:55, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> That's the sales pitch.  The reality is that every cent that you
>>>> pay into social security and medicare goes to either (a) somebody
>>>> who is on social security or medicare,
>>> 
>>> ... who previously paid in themselves.
>> 
>> Or not as the case may be.  People were collecting from the first
>> day.
>
>SS paid a lump sump to non-qualified people in Jan 1937, which was
>exactly equal to the _death_ benefit for qualified people; in effect,
>Congress declared all non-qualified people dead.  That is completely
>unlike what we think of as SS benefits today, which are only for
>qualified people.
>
>The first monthly benefits check (i.e. what we think of as SS) was paid
>on 31 Jan 1940 to Ida May Fuller, who had been paying into SS from when
>it went into effect on 1 Jan 1937 until she filed her retirement claim
>on 4 Nov 1939, i.e. after nearly three years of contributions.
>
>>> My dollars are exchanged for a future obligation to me, and their
>>> present obligation is exchanged for those dollars.
>> 
>> You go on believing that there's actually an obligation when that 
>> "obligation" is established by a statute that can be repealed at any
>>  time.
>
>We rely on govts to enforce obligations, and they can choose not to do
>so in the case of public ones just as easily as private ones.
>
>>>> or (b) a super low interest loan to the Federal government,
>>>> which promptly spends the money.
>>> 
>>> As long as the Federal govt doesn't default on that debt, it's a
>>> sound (if poorly performing) investment.  The SSTF can sell all
>>> those T-bills it's holding on the open market, just like anyone
>>> else, when the annual surplus turns into an annual deficit in a few
>>> years.
>> 
>> And when the government does decide to default then what?
>
>If we did default, SS checks would be the least of our problems; the
>entire world economy would collapse.

It has in effect happened twice before. In 1792 with the Frech ECU,
which was reserve currency from the middle ages; and again in 1944
when the British Pound all but collapsed. Actually the Bretton Woods
conference avoided that collapse; but the US Dollar took over as
world reserve currency.

The world adapted pretty fast. Today there would be two takers, the
Euro and the Yuan.

>Perhaps "conservatives" should stop voting for Tea Party idiots who
>_want_ to default and turn the entire world into Somalia; a failed state
>is what their vision of "small government" looks like, after all.


The US would be pretty hard hit; but the new US government could do
as Konrad Adenauer did with the corpse of the Nazi state; he just wrote
it all off and introduced a new currency.

>>> Also, if we're going to spend those trillions of dollars, wouldn't
>>> it be better to spend them on things that actually make our lives
>>> better and drive the economy, like infrastructure, rather than
>>> converting a bunch of scrap metal into a different bunch of scrap
>>> metal?
>> 
>> Salaries for workers drive the economy.  It doesn't really matter
>> what they're making
>
>Yes, it does; the lower someone's income, the greater the fraction of
>that income they'll spend (good) rather than hoarding (neutral) or
>speculating (bad).  There is more macroeconomic benefit to paying two
>people $50k than one person $100k, even though the total is the same.
>
>The main macroeconomic benefit of progressive taxation is that it takes
>more from the rich (who mostly hoard or speculate) and less from the
>poor (who mostly spend), which benefits everyone--even the rich!
>
>> as long as the company gets paid more for it than the cost of making
>> it.
>
>Corporate profits go to the rich, who mostly hoard or speculate.
>
>Despite the Faux News propaganda, that does _not_ create jobs; it's
>spending that creates jobs, and it's the poor who mostly spend.

indeed. But I'll swap the hoarding and speculation valuations.
Speculators do have some useful functions; hoarders do not.

-- mrr

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#157571

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-24 20:31 -0600
Message-ID<n8418r$uiq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157303
On 21-Jan-16 12:33, Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <n7om7h$epu$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Sprunk
> <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>> On 19-Jan-16 21:58, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> stephen@sprunk.org says...
>>>> As long as the Federal govt doesn't default on that debt, it's
>>>> a sound (if poorly performing) investment.  ...
>>> 
>>> And when the government does decide to default then what?
>> 
>> If we did default, SS checks would be the least of our problems;
>> the entire world economy would collapse.
> 
> It has in effect happened twice before. In 1792 with the Frech ECU, 
> which was reserve currency from the middle ages; and again in 1944 
> when the British Pound all but collapsed. Actually the Bretton Woods 
> conference avoided that collapse; but the US Dollar took over as 
> world reserve currency.
> 
> The world adapted pretty fast. Today there would be two takers, the 
> Euro and the Yuan.

Central banks use many reserve currencies; USD is by far the most
popular (63.8%) due to our large trade deficit and oil being traded
exclusively in USD, but they also use EUR (20.5%), GBP (4.7%), JPY
(3.8%), CAD (1.9%), AUD (1.9%) and CHF (0.3%).  _Nobody_ trusts CNY.

When the US catches a cold, the rest of the world sneezes because of
global trade; if we defaulted and destroyed our economy, we'd take the
world economy down with us--and it'd be at least an order of magnitude
worse now than in 1929, potentially a return of the Dark Ages.

Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option should be
immediately disqualified from public office--and probably executed for
conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.

>>> as long as the company gets paid more for it than the cost of
>>> making it.
>> 
>> Corporate profits go to the rich, who mostly hoard or speculate.
>> 
>> Despite the Faux News propaganda, that does _not_ create jobs;
>> it's spending that creates jobs, and it's the poor who mostly
>> spend.
> 
> indeed. But I'll swap the hoarding and speculation valuations. 
> Speculators do have some useful functions; hoarders do not.

In moderation, sure, but excessive speculation creates bubbles that
inevitably burst, hurting everyone.  Hoarders don't help the economy,
but they don't hurt it either.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157584

FromLawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date2016-01-24 22:11 -0600
Message-ID<8760yinvrg.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
In reply to#157571
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
> Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option should be
> immediately disqualified from public office--and probably executed for
> conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.

Careful there, Stephen -- you're coming remarkably close to the
"Libtards hanging from lampposts" troll ;) 

--NK1G

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#157595

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-24 23:17 -0600
Message-ID<n84avd$ln2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157584
On 24-Jan-16 22:11, Lawrence Statton wrote:
> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>> Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option should
>> be immediately disqualified from public office--and probably
>> executed for conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.
> 
> Careful there, Stephen -- you're coming remarkably close to the
> "Libtards hanging from lampposts" troll ;) 

This isn't about stringing people up for mere political views.

When the Federal Reserve Board decided to crash the US economy in 1929,
they didn't know that it would crash the entire world economy and lead
to the Great Depression, which killed millions, and World War II, which
killed tens of millions.

OTOH, we _know_ that doing the same again today would kill billions, by
far the most serious crime against humanity ever committed; if there was
any civilization left to impose it, the death penalty would surely be
justified in such a case.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157596

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-25 16:54 +1100
Message-ID<dglrkpFp9kuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157595

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
news:n84avd$ln2$1@dont-email.me...
> On 24-Jan-16 22:11, Lawrence Statton wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>> Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option should
>>> be immediately disqualified from public office--and probably
>>> executed for conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.
>>
>> Careful there, Stephen -- you're coming remarkably close to the
>> "Libtards hanging from lampposts" troll ;)
>
> This isn't about stringing people up for mere political views.
>
> When the Federal Reserve Board decided to crash the US economy in 1929,

Nothing like that happened.

> they didn't know that it would crash the entire world economy
> and lead to the Great Depression, which killed millions, and
> World War II, which killed tens of millions.

The Great Depression isnt what produced WW2.

> OTOH, we _know_ that doing the same again today would kill billions,

We know nothing of the sort.

> by far the most serious crime against humanity ever committed;
> if there was any civilization left to impose it, the death penalty
> would surely be justified in such a case.

Even sillier than you usually manage. 

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#157588

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-25 15:55 +1100
Message-ID<dglocfFoiq2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157571

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
news:n8418r$uiq$1@dont-email.me...
> On 21-Jan-16 12:33, Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <n7om7h$epu$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Sprunk
>> <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>> On 19-Jan-16 21:58, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> stephen@sprunk.org says...
>>>>> As long as the Federal govt doesn't default on that debt, it's
>>>>> a sound (if poorly performing) investment.  ...
>>>>
>>>> And when the government does decide to default then what?
>>>
>>> If we did default, SS checks would be the least of our problems;
>>> the entire world economy would collapse.
>>
>> It has in effect happened twice before. In 1792 with the Frech ECU,
>> which was reserve currency from the middle ages; and again in 1944
>> when the British Pound all but collapsed. Actually the Bretton Woods
>> conference avoided that collapse; but the US Dollar took over as
>> world reserve currency.
>>
>> The world adapted pretty fast. Today there would be two takers, the
>> Euro and the Yuan.
>
> Central banks use many reserve currencies; USD is by far the most
> popular (63.8%) due to our large trade deficit and oil being traded
> exclusively in USD, but they also use EUR (20.5%), GBP (4.7%), JPY
> (3.8%), CAD (1.9%), AUD (1.9%) and CHF (0.3%).  _Nobody_ trusts CNY.

Those aren't reserve currencies, they are just the currencies used in world 
trade.

> When the US catches a cold, the rest of the world sneezes

You've got that backwards.

> because of global trade;

No.

> if we defaulted and destroyed our economy,

Economies aren't destroyed by a default.

> we'd take the world economy down with us

Not a chance even if the US economy was destroyed.

> --and it'd be at least an order of
> magnitude worse now than in 1929,

No because we know what needs to be done now, and do that.

> potentially a return of the Dark Ages.

The Dark Ages actually did fine trade wise.

> Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option
> should be immediately disqualified from public office--and probably
> executed for conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

>>>> as long as the company gets paid more for it than the cost of
>>>> making it.
>>>
>>> Corporate profits go to the rich, who mostly hoard or speculate.
>>>
>>> Despite the Faux News propaganda, that does _not_ create jobs;
>>> it's spending that creates jobs, and it's the poor who mostly
>>> spend.
>>
>> indeed. But I'll swap the hoarding and speculation valuations.
>> Speculators do have some useful functions; hoarders do not.
>
> In moderation, sure, but excessive speculation creates bubbles that
> inevitably burst, hurting everyone.  Hoarders don't help the economy,
> but they don't hurt it either.

They do in fact hurt it severely when they don’t spend. That was the
reason things got so bad recently because plenty slammed their
wallets shut when there was considerable doubt about the future of
the economy and their jobs and only spent on what was unavoidable. 

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#157749

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-01-26 14:55 +0100
Message-ID<5faknc-8h6.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#157571
In article <n8418r$uiq$1@dont-email.me>,
Stephen Sprunk  <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>On 21-Jan-16 12:33, Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <n7om7h$epu$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Sprunk
>> <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>> On 19-Jan-16 21:58, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> stephen@sprunk.org says...
>>>>> As long as the Federal govt doesn't default on that debt, it's
>>>>> a sound (if poorly performing) investment.  ...
>>>> 
>>>> And when the government does decide to default then what?
>>> 
>>> If we did default, SS checks would be the least of our problems;
>>> the entire world economy would collapse.
>> 
>> It has in effect happened twice before. In 1792 with the Frech ECU, 
>> which was reserve currency from the middle ages; and again in 1944 
>> when the British Pound all but collapsed. Actually the Bretton Woods 
>> conference avoided that collapse; but the US Dollar took over as 
>> world reserve currency.
>> 
>> The world adapted pretty fast. Today there would be two takers, the 
>> Euro and the Yuan.
>
>Central banks use many reserve currencies; USD is by far the most
>popular (63.8%) due to our large trade deficit and oil being traded
>exclusively in USD, but they also use EUR (20.5%), GBP (4.7%), JPY
>(3.8%), CAD (1.9%), AUD (1.9%) and CHF (0.3%).  _Nobody_ trusts CNY.
>
>When the US catches a cold, the rest of the world sneezes because of
>global trade; if we defaulted and destroyed our economy, we'd take the
>world economy down with us--and it'd be at least an order of magnitude
>worse now than in 1929, potentially a return of the Dark Ages.
>
>Anyone who considers such a path to be a valid policy option should be
>immediately disqualified from public office--and probably executed for
>conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity.

The US will not lose their senior currency overnight. It took a revolution
and then nearly 4 years to topple the ECU; and the pound took two world
wars financed almost singlehandedly.

First we will see inflation. In the beginning, not so much; 7-8 percent
or so. Interest rates will make a 4-5% margin on this, at 11-13%.
Just like the Reichsmark in 1918-1921. Occasional spontaneous drops
of 5-8% will follow if the deficit is not addressed; typically in 
refinancing situations. This will compromise the state's ability to
keep up with interest. 

This situation can last for decades, or it can spiral down in around 4
years. (5 or 10 years between most bond reissue events. You need at least
two of these to make a dent in interest payments).

Then comes the cliff. Germany, then #4 in the world in industrial
production (after US, UK, France) went off that cliff in 7 months in 1923.

Our national bank chariman Hermod Skanland used to collect inflation
currencies; and had them framed in his office as a reminder to what would
happen if he didn't do his job. Germany went from elaboratly printed
10.000 mark notes in March, to similar 100.000 notes in April/May, to 
50.000.000.000 notes on cheap paper printed on one side in October.(1923).

Austria, Argentina, Uruguay, Hungary and recently Zimbabwe has been through 
the same. When the cliff comes, it goes fast.

But the US has a lot more buffers. I would give it 25 years or so at
the current deficit. 

>>>> as long as the company gets paid more for it than the cost of
>>>> making it.
>>> 
>>> Corporate profits go to the rich, who mostly hoard or speculate.
>>> 
>>> Despite the Faux News propaganda, that does _not_ create jobs;
>>> it's spending that creates jobs, and it's the poor who mostly
>>> spend.
>> 
>> indeed. But I'll swap the hoarding and speculation valuations. 
>> Speculators do have some useful functions; hoarders do not.
>
>In moderation, sure, but excessive speculation creates bubbles that
>inevitably burst, hurting everyone.  Hoarders don't help the economy,
>but they don't hurt it either.

Speculation done by professionals is, contrary to public perceptions, 
not the primary reason for bubbles. It is the public's inability to 
see a bubble when it arrives. The speculators bring down the margins
between buyer and seller, and act as market makers. This is beneficial
around 95% of the time. They will sell in an instant if they think their
money is at risk, and generally have a sane view of profit vs risk.

It is the hoarders that make bubbles. Like the ones that bought real
estate 2001-2006. Yes, this was fueled by speculation as well, but that
was to blame on a rigged market; not on the profit-taking speculators.
It was the hoarders that bid up this market to insane values. They
kept the properties. The speculators owned them for weeks, at the most.

If you see a million dollars right in front of you that can be made
legally in a month or two with a small investment and no risk to yourself
beyond the small investment ($20-$50k) ,, who wouldn't ?

It is when law and morals diverge that we have problems. Do not require
that the individual actors in a market think about morals. They have 
enough with the law and making a profit. Fix the law if there is a
problem.

-- mrr

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#157773

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-26 08:03 -0800
Message-ID<7c85bfcc-884e-42bd-9d86-c27e244c5133@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157749
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 8:55:49 AM UTC-5, Morten Reistad wrote:

> First we will see inflation. In the beginning, not so much; 7-8 percent
> or so. Interest rates will make a 4-5% margin on this, at 11-13%.
> Just like the Reichsmark in 1918-1921. Occasional spontaneous drops
> of 5-8% will follow if the deficit is not addressed; typically in 
> refinancing situations. This will compromise the state's ability to
> keep up with interest. 

This scares the crap out of me, as it should all retirees on a pension.

In the 1970s/1980s, high inflation was brutal for seniors.  Rents shot
up.

While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
be rough.

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#157798

From"Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-27 05:09 +1100
Message-ID<dgpr3iFq0p3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157773

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:7c85bfcc-884e-42bd-9d86-c27e244c5133@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 8:55:49 AM UTC-5, Morten Reistad wrote:
>
>> First we will see inflation. In the beginning, not so much; 7-8 percent
>> or so. Interest rates will make a 4-5% margin on this, at 11-13%.
>> Just like the Reichsmark in 1918-1921. Occasional spontaneous drops
>> of 5-8% will follow if the deficit is not addressed; typically in
>> refinancing situations. This will compromise the state's ability to
>> keep up with interest.
>
> This scares the crap out of me, as it should all retirees on a pension.
>
> In the 1970s/1980s, high inflation was brutal for seniors.  Rents shot up.

Only the financially incompetent seniors rent.

> While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
> going into hyperinflation,

Yes, that was done after WW2 ended.

> 8% inflation year after year is gonna be rough.

It's far from clear that that will happen this time. 

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#157802

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-26 13:31 -0500
Message-ID<n88dst$bhr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157773
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 8:55:49 AM UTC-5, Morten Reistad wrote:
>
>> First we will see inflation. In the beginning, not so much; 7-8 percent
>> or so. Interest rates will make a 4-5% margin on this, at 11-13%.
>> Just like the Reichsmark in 1918-1921. Occasional spontaneous drops
>> of 5-8% will follow if the deficit is not addressed; typically in 
>> refinancing situations. This will compromise the state's ability to
>> keep up with interest. 
>
> This scares the crap out of me, as it should all retirees on a pension.
>
> In the 1970s/1980s, high inflation was brutal for seniors.  Rents shot
> up.
>
> While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
> going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
> be rough.

Didn't Morten just predict 25 years from now?
That's like saying never.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#157807

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-26 10:59 -0800
Message-ID<e9274177-e82c-4d97-8f6d-9cf5a662f651@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157802
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:

> > While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
> > going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
> > be rough.
> 
> Didn't Morten just predict 25 years from now?
> That's like saying never.

Well, hopefully it will be 25 years from now, because odds are then
I won't have to worry about it.

But, unfortunately, there are many 'seeds' out there for high 
inflation to come back.  Having lived through it once and saw
the damage, and how long it took for it come under control
"Whip Inflation Now", I remain fearful.

Lobbyists have a very powerful hold over federal, state, and city
governments.  Recent court decisions allow third party groups to
spend secret money supporting candidates, which doesn't help matters.

The US has a voracious appetite for credit and deficit spending
that can't be stopped.  Sooner or later--probably suddenly--it
will be hard for the U.S. to sell its debt, which will cause a
nasty economic crash.

Some states face a nasty shortfall, and will have to jack up
taxes or cut services to cover it, even some red states.

Also, our economy is globalized more than ever, and an unexpected
event that quickly ripple.  

Admittedly, as I write this, one of the causes of past inflation is
acting the opposite--oil prices are plummeting (to my surprise).

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#157814

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-26 14:46 -0500
Message-ID<n88i9g$t37$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157807
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:
>
>> > While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
>> > going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
>> > be rough.
>> 
>> Didn't Morten just predict 25 years from now?
>> That's like saying never.
>
> Well, hopefully it will be 25 years from now, because odds are then
> I won't have to worry about it.
>
> But, unfortunately, there are many 'seeds' out there for high 
> inflation to come back.  Having lived through it once and saw
> the damage, and how long it took for it come under control
> "Whip Inflation Now", I remain fearful.

The US have never suffered severe inflation.
Back when we had a little, I was a net borrower.
Being in IT, my salary was outpacing inflation by a WIDE
margin.  We had inflation when it was a big plus for me.

> Lobbyists have a very powerful hold over federal, state, and city
> governments.  Recent court decisions allow third party groups to
> spend secret money supporting candidates, which doesn't help matters.
>
> The US has a voracious appetite for credit and deficit spending
> that can't be stopped.  Sooner or later--probably suddenly--it
> will be hard for the U.S. to sell its debt, which will cause a
> nasty economic crash.
>
> Some states face a nasty shortfall, and will have to jack up
> taxes or cut services to cover it, even some red states.
>
> Also, our economy is globalized more than ever, and an unexpected
> event that quickly ripple.  
>
> Admittedly, as I write this, one of the causes of past inflation is
> acting the opposite--oil prices are plummeting (to my surprise).

Yep.

Since there doesn't seem to be any end to the US being the worlds
reserve currency, inflation is just not going to happen.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#157816

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-26 12:28 -0800
Message-ID<67ec9dfc-5e09-4664-9c1b-519e88552b8c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157814
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:

> The US have never suffered severe inflation.
> Back when we had a little, I was a net borrower.
> Being in IT, my salary was outpacing inflation by a WIDE
> margin.  We had inflation when it was a big plus for me.

Around 1980, we had about high inflation, perhaps at 15%
for a few years.

As mentioned, it caught seniors--who lived on fixed incomes--
very badly because their rents and other key expenses went
up steeply, and their pension and savings couldn't keep up.

Also, employees of weak companies, government, and non-profits
were hurt as there were no raises, and their salaries fell
seriously behind.  Many weak businesses failed since the
cost of supplies and raw goods went up steeply, but they
weren't able to raise prices to keep up.

But even continued inflation of say 8% year after year is rough
since it compounds on itself, seriously eroding the value one's
savings.  Or, if a worker, say, gets a 3% raise each year when
inflation is 8%, it's actually down 5% a year, and 15% over three
years.  That happened to a lot of workers in that time frame, too.


> Since there doesn't seem to be any end to the US being the worlds
> reserve currency, inflation is just not going to happen.

Well, hopefully, you're correct.

But I don't think anyone expected the big oil shocks of '73 and '79.
Yet they did happen, and they were responsible to initiate a lot
of inflation.

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#157821

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-26 15:41 -0500
Message-ID<17372962.475533406.054423.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157807
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:
> 
>>> While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
>>> going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
>>> be rough.
>> 
>> Didn't Morten just predict 25 years from now?
>> That's like saying never.
> 
> Well, hopefully it will be 25 years from now, because odds are then
> I won't have to worry about it.
> 
> But, unfortunately, there are many 'seeds' out there for high 
> inflation to come back.  Having lived through it once and saw
> the damage, and how long it took for it come under control
> "Whip Inflation Now", I remain fearful.
> 
> Lobbyists have a very powerful hold over federal, state, and city
> governments.  Recent court decisions allow third party groups to
> spend secret money supporting candidates, which doesn't help matters.

I used to think that this was a terrible idea and that all contributions
should be public.  Then I saw the way the left-wingers were attacking
anyone who gave to a cause they didn't like (didn't some CEO lose his job
over a contribution he made?) I now think it's a good idea.

> 
> The US has a voracious appetite for credit and deficit spending
> that can't be stopped.  Sooner or later--probably suddenly--it
> will be hard for the U.S. to sell its debt, which will cause a
> nasty economic crash.
> 
> Some states face a nasty shortfall, and will have to jack up
> taxes or cut services to cover it, even some red states.
> 
> Also, our economy is globalized more than ever, and an unexpected
> event that quickly ripple.  
> 
> Admittedly, as I write this, one of the causes of past inflation is
> acting the opposite--oil prices are plummeting (to my surprise).
> 



-- 
Pete

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#157824

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-26 16:31 -0500
Message-ID<n88oet$omd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157821
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:
>> 
>>>> While I think we will be able to stabilize the situation without
>>>> going into hyperinflation, 8% inflation year after year is gonna
>>>> be rough.
>>> 
>>> Didn't Morten just predict 25 years from now?
>>> That's like saying never.
>> 
>> Well, hopefully it will be 25 years from now, because odds are then
>> I won't have to worry about it.
>> 
>> But, unfortunately, there are many 'seeds' out there for high 
>> inflation to come back.  Having lived through it once and saw
>> the damage, and how long it took for it come under control
>> "Whip Inflation Now", I remain fearful.
>> 
>> Lobbyists have a very powerful hold over federal, state, and city
>> governments.  Recent court decisions allow third party groups to
>> spend secret money supporting candidates, which doesn't help matters.
>
> I used to think that this was a terrible idea and that all contributions
> should be public.  Then I saw the way the left-wingers were attacking
> anyone who gave to a cause they didn't like

Completely overblown.  Nixon, on the other hand, used the IRS as
a weapon against his imagined enemies.

> (didn't some CEO lose his job
> over a contribution he made?) I now think it's a good idea.

Mozilla CEO:

http://dailysignal.com/2014/04/04/ceo-made-political-donation-lost-job-liberals-didnt-like/

Not only did he resign, but half the board quit when they found out he
gave money to defeat Prop 8.

Note that this did not involve the government, just some intolerant
workers and executives.

Still not an example of tolerance.

-- 
Dan Espen

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