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Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
Last post2016-01-14 14:02 +0000
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  Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 16:32 -0500
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 13:40 -0800
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-13 17:04 -0500
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:11 -0500
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-13 16:10 -0600
          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:23 -0800
            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 18:52 -0500
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-13 17:20 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:20 -0800
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:37 -0600
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:07 -0500
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:11 +0000
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:12 +0000
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-01-14 08:27 -0700
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:26 -0800
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-16 16:21 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:59 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-15 16:50 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:38 +0100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:15 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 14:00 -0800
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:53 -0600
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:03 +0000
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:11 -0800
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-16 08:41 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 07:46 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:04 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:34 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:15 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 15:33 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:51 -0600
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:45 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:13 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:34 -0800
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:40 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:33 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:27 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:36 -0600
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:08 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:29 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 10:56 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 19:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 11:22 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 20:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:07 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 14:24 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:11 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 11:27 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:14 -0600
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:47 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 14:04 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:38 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-21 14:12 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:15 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:47 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:54 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:52 -0800
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:29 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:39 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:46 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 17:14 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 18:50 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:25 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:44 +0000
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:54 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 10:43 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-24 11:21 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 20:23 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:21 +0100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:33 +1100
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 04:55 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:34 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:19 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:46 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:45 +1100
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:54 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:08 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 13:57 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:33 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:09 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:40 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 17:40 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 07:19 +0000
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 19:18 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:40 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:12 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:59 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:19 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:41 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:09 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-25 14:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:22 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:04 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 09:55 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:41 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 19:46 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 20:31 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:39 -0600
                                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:23 -0500
                                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:42 -0600
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-27 08:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:19 -0500
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:56 -0600
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0800
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:05 +1100
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:40 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 14:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:10 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 23:45 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:02 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 18:17 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:24 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-17 08:18 -0600
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:21 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:45 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:34 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:51 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-20 17:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:11 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:40 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:10 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:41 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:35 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:49 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:41 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:37 +0000
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:02 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:42 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 13:29 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-22 21:09 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:46 +1100
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 15:01 -0600
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:17 +1100
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:29 -0600
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:52 +1100
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:46 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:02 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:33 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:36 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:24 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:23 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:37 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:34 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:34 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:42 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:54 -0500
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:43 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-19 22:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:35 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:26 -0800
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:52 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:36 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:27 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:59 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 17:54 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:01 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:49 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 11:01 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:19 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:30 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:32 -0800
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 19:06 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0600
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:57 -0500
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:02 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:40 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:55 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:57 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:37 -0600
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 21:59 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:57 -0600
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:17 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:27 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-19 23:24 +0000
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:43 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:10 -0800
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 08:15 +0000
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:42 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:40 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:24 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:36 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 20:47 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 08:18 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0600
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:08 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:15 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:44 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:08 -0600
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:07 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:56 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:30 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:13 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:36 -0600
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 -0600
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 14:35 -0600
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2016-01-21 17:05 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 12:18 -0500
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:35 -0600
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:20 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 10:42 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:04 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 11:39 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 07:23 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:09 +0100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:41 +1100
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:02 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 11:56 -0800
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:57 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 16:08 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:41 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-15 15:43 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:06 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 07:04 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:43 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2016-01-14 16:00 -0900
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:05 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:04 -0600
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:17 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:57 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:53 -0600
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:01 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 21:17 +0000
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 18:08 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 21:25 -0500
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 07:31 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:46 +0100
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 10:43 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 20:00 -0600
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-14 00:31 -0800
            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:30 -0600
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-14 01:35 +0000
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000

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#156787

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
Message-ID<dg0mbgFfda3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#156783

"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message 
news:n7f6h2$ndf$1@dont-email.me...
> On 1/16/2016 9:18 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 7:58:30 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> Especially considering that the Soviet Union collapsed and Chinese
>>> communism has been severely corrupted by capitalist ideas, with the net
>>> result a "win" for the US.
>>
>> But that was not at all obvious in 1950.  Indeed, the west was faced 
>> with:
>>
>> --the communist countries were led by cruel totalitarian governments,
>> able and willing to go to war reagrdless of the cost and consequences
>> to their own people or others.  They had the bomb.
>>
>> --lots of folks in the west bought into communist propaganda of a
>> utopian state (like the guy who wrote a laudatory book on
>> the USSR, "Mission to Moscow".)
>
> Perhaps aided by the realization that the capitalists (that is, the 
> owners) didn't give much of a crap about working people.

And because most capitalist countries were very badly
affected by the Great Depression and the USSR wasn’t.

The grass is
> always greener on the other side of the fence.

That wasn’t really what it was about.

>> --western countries were exhausted and broke form WW II and unable
>> and unwilling to fight another war.  Indeed, support in the U.S.
>> to fight in Korea was waning.
>
> The USSR suffered far more damage from WW II than any of the western 
> allies. The USSR was the primary target of the Germans, and threw 
> everything they had against them (materials and bodies). And (not without 
> reason) the USSR feared that the US would attack them after WW II.
>
>> --The Soviet Union had an active espionage and sabotage unit at
>> work in the U.S.  Such a unit had it a lot easier in an open society
>> than a closed one.
>
> Perhaps. But there is no question that the US had an active espionage and 
> sabotage unit at work in the USSR as well.
>
> 

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#156791

FromAnne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
Message-ID<87wpr8emy4.fsf@garlic.com>
In reply to#156787
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
> The USSR suffered far more damage from WW II than any of the western
> allies. The USSR was the primary target of the Germans, and threw
> everything they had against them (materials and bodies). And (not
> without reason) the USSR feared that the US would attack them after WW
> II.

is Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin?:

John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked
Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
scandal and disgrace.
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
Russian Military Politics and Russia's 2010 Defense Doctrine
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1050

other little stuff like

CIA admits role in 1953 Iranian coup
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
and Schwarzkopf senior
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

"The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White,
and the Making of a New World Order"
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/

portrays White as heavily under the influence of the Soviets, who
secretly provided him with a draft of demands for him to get US to
issue to Japan (which he did) ... that would prompt Japan into
attacking the US (which they did ... Soviets were battling Germany in
the west and were worried that Japan would attack in the east
... needed to divert Japan into pacific conflict with the US).

Hull Note
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note

According to Benn Steil, director of international economics at the
Council on Foreign Relations, while "no single individual can be said to
have triggered" the Pearl Harbor attack Harry Dexter White "was the
author of the key ultimatum demands". Steil also maintains "the Japanese
government made the decision to move forward with the Pearl Harbor
strike after receiving the ultimatum".

... snip ...

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#156814

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
Message-ID<L6adnfT1_LbcAgbLnZ2dnUU78f2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#156787
On 17/01/2016 05:15, jack wrote:
{snip}

> And because most capitalist countries were very badly
> affected by the Great Depression and the USSR wasn’t.
>
Make that apparently was not effected by the Great Depression. Lenin and 
Stalin sent too many people to gulags just to stay in office unless 
there was a major depression.

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#156851

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
Message-ID<dg24naFqvulU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#156814

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:L6adnfT1_LbcAgbLnZ2dnUU78f2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 17/01/2016 05:15, jack wrote:
> {snip}
>
>> And because most capitalist countries were very badly
>> affected by the Great Depression and the USSR wasn’t.
>>
> Make that apparently was not effected by the Great Depression.

Dramatically less affected. In fact quite a bit of the effect of
the Great Depression on the USSR was a dramatic reduction
in the amount of support for industrialisation in the USSR
from the west due to the Great Depression making it much
harder to justify back home when there was such a desperate
need to fund what the west was doing back home instead.

> Lenin and Stalin sent too many people to gulags just to stay in office 
> unless there was a major depression.

The Great Depression wasn’t the reason for the gulags.
Many of them were essentially just slave labour which
was used to build what would otherwise not have been
possible to build like so much of the railway system
and so much of the more remote mines etc that no
one would have got involved in voluntarily. 

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#157032

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
Message-ID<12189f97-6b7f-4790-9090-7ab9e18f0f76@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#156783
On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 11:52:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Garland wrote:

> Perhaps aided by the realization that the capitalists (that is, the 
> owners) didn't give much of a crap about working people. The grass is 
> always greener on the other side of the fence.

Some capitalists were exploitative, but by no means all.

In any event, labor laws passed during the depression and WW II
improved the lot of the worker.


> The USSR suffered far more damage from WW II than any of the western 
> allies. The USSR was the primary target of the Germans, and threw 
> everything they had against them (materials and bodies). And (not 
> without reason) the USSR feared that the US would attack them after WW II.

While the USSR feared the US would attack them after WW II, that
fear was utterly groundless.

Yes, the USSR suffered terrible damage and loss of live, but it made
no difference.  If Stalin ordered them to go war, they would go to
war.


> > --The Soviet Union had an active espionage and sabotage unit at
> > work in the U.S.  Such a unit had it a lot easier in an open society
> > than a closed one.
> 
> Perhaps. But there is no question that the US had an active espionage 
> and sabotage unit at work in the USSR as well.

Not really, and certainly not as a effective as the USSR's operations
in the U.S.

For one thing, the Soviets had a long history of espionage dating
back to the Czars, which the Bolsheviks simply took over.  Stalin's
apparatus was solidly in place and in operation, as well documented.
In contrast, the US never went in for that sort of thing, and had a
haphazard spy network in WW II.  It was only afterwards that the CIA
was established, and it took time to build it up.

In any event, Soviet spies and saboteurs took great advantage of
the free society of the US.  They got tons of information just
from the newspaper and published papers.  It was easy for them
to recruit agents who worked in industry and government.  In 
contrast, Americans who visited the Soviet Union were closely
monitored, as were any citizens who might have had contact
with them.  There weren't any published sources of material.

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#157053

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
Message-ID<n7masd$jgo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157032
On 19-Jan-16 14:24, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Dave Garland wrote:
>> The USSR suffered far more damage from WW II than any of the
>> western allies. The USSR was the primary target of the Germans, and
>> threw everything they had against them (materials and bodies). And
>> (not without reason) the USSR feared that the US would attack them
>> after WW II.
> 
> While the USSR feared the US would attack them after WW II, that fear
> was utterly groundless.

There were many in the US that publicly argued for a preemptive strike
before the USSR got its own nukes, and it was not unreasonable to worry
that a US president might have done so.

After they got them and everyone fully understood MAD, things settled
into the Cold War, which ironically became one of the most
peaceful--though tense--periods in human history.

Unfortunately, religious fanatics are inherently immune to logic, so we
need to find another way to deal with them--both at home and abroad.

> Yes, the USSR suffered terrible damage and loss of live, but it made 
> no difference.  If Stalin ordered them to go war, they would go to 
> war.

Stalin didn't _want_ a war, but he had good reason to be paranoid after
being betrayed by Hitler; he trusted MAD more than NATO's promises of
non-aggression, just like we trusted MAD more than his promises.

Reagan's strategy of goading the Soviets into spending themselves into
bankruptcy was ingenious.  Too bad his successors didn't understand they
were supposed to end that after the USSR collapsed and instead have all
gone looking for new enemies to replace them.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157055

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
Message-ID<8a0bf417-abae-4f71-b315-92810ca61082@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157053
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:49:40 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> There were many in the US that publicly argued for a preemptive strike
> before the USSR got its own nukes, and it was not unreasonable to worry
> that a US president might have done so.

And?

This would have prevented untold misery endured by the people of Eastern 
Europe, who were under Communist rule with no hope of rescue for decades 
because Russia had nuclear weapons.

There is no moral equivalency here. Stalin's regime was evil, like Hitler's 
regime. Just because the Allies failed to invade Germany right after the 
Kristallnacht doesn't mean they should have repeated the same mistake twice.

John Savard

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#157079

From"James Green" <667755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
Message-ID<dg7vkjF95veU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157055

"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
news:8a0bf417-abae-4f71-b315-92810ca61082@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:49:40 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>
>> There were many in the US that publicly argued for a preemptive strike
>> before the USSR got its own nukes, and it was not unreasonable to worry
>> that a US president might have done so.
>
> And?

So it did make sense for Stalin to get his own nukes to avoid that.

> This would have prevented untold misery endured by the people of Eastern
> Europe, who were under Communist rule with no hope of rescue for decades
> because Russia had nuclear weapons.

By the time the US had the nukes to do that, Stalin had
enough to ensure that they weren't going to do that.

> There is no moral equivalency here. Stalin's regime was evil, like 
> Hitler's
> regime. Just because the Allies failed to invade Germany right after the
> Kristallnacht doesn't mean they should have repeated the same mistake 
> twice.
 

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#157088

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3108a3c6cf6badff989e51@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157079
In article <dg7vkjF95veU1@mid.individual.net>, 667755@gmail.com says...
> 
> "Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
> news:8a0bf417-abae-4f71-b315-92810ca61082@googlegroups.com...
> > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:49:40 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> >
> >> There were many in the US that publicly argued for a preemptive strike
> >> before the USSR got its own nukes, and it was not unreasonable to worry
> >> that a US president might have done so.
> >
> > And?
> 
> So it did make sense for Stalin to get his own nukes to avoid that.
> 
> > This would have prevented untold misery endured by the people of Eastern
> > Europe, who were under Communist rule with no hope of rescue for decades
> > because Russia had nuclear weapons.
> 
> By the time the US had the nukes to do that, Stalin had
> enough to ensure that they weren't going to do that.
> 
> > There is no moral equivalency here. Stalin's regime was evil, like 
> > Hitler's
> > regime. Just because the Allies failed to invade Germany right after the
> > Kristallnacht doesn't mean they should have repeated the same mistake 
> > twice.
>  

Quadi really needs to talk to some of those people who were "living in 
misery".  While they're glad to see the Communists out, I don't think 
you will find very many of them who would tell you that inflicting 
another 20+ million casualties removing them would have been a 
worthwhile exchange.

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#157096

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
Message-ID<b3e7931c-9700-4da2-867b-43cc165b1acd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157088
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:44:14 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:

> Quadi really needs to talk to some of those people who were "living in 
> misery".  While they're glad to see the Communists out, I don't think 
> you will find very many of them who would tell you that inflicting 
> another 20+ million casualties removing them would have been a 
> worthwhile exchange.

Um, if this took place before Russia had nuclear weapons, but after the U.S. 
did, we're not talking about any Polish or Czech or Hungarian casualties, just 
Russian casualties.

John Savard

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#157102

From"James Green" <667755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
Message-ID<dg8a5aFbfilU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157096

"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
news:b3e7931c-9700-4da2-867b-43cc165b1acd@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:44:14 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Quadi really needs to talk to some of those people who were "living in
>> misery".  While they're glad to see the Communists out, I don't think
>> you will find very many of them who would tell you that inflicting
>> another 20+ million casualties removing them would have been a
>> worthwhile exchange.
>
> Um, if this took place before Russia had nuclear weapons, but after the 
> U.S. did,

It was never the case that the US had enough nukes to do that before
Russia had something it could use on western europe to avoid that.

we're not talking about any Polish or Czech or Hungarian casualties, just
> Russian casualties.
 

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#157110

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3108cae4ab17e9e989e57@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157096
In article <b3e7931c-9700-4da2-867b-43cc165b1acd@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:44:14 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> > Quadi really needs to talk to some of those people who were "living in 
> > misery".  While they're glad to see the Communists out, I don't think 
> > you will find very many of them who would tell you that inflicting 
> > another 20+ million casualties removing them would have been a 
> > worthwhile exchange.
> 
> Um, if this took place before Russia had nuclear weapons, but after the U.S. 
> did, we're not talking about any Polish or Czech or Hungarian casualties, just 
> Russian casualties.


So how are you going to get to Russia?  And I guess it's OK with you 
that 20 million or so Russians die, because, of course, according to 
you, they're EEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL.

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#157117

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
Message-ID<87809b31-7edd-4607-b888-33f1f4fd4166@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157110
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:

> So how are you going to get to Russia?  And I guess it's OK with you 
> that 20 million or so Russians die, because, of course, according to 
> you, they're EEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL.

I wasn't commenting on what was OK with me, but somehow I suspect it wouldn't 
be that much of a problem for the Czechs and the Hungarians and so on. Just as 
it wouldn't be that much of a problem for Americans if it was the price of 
preventing many Americans from dying, or of Communist rule in *their* own 
country.

A lot of German civilians died in World War II. Were they eeevill? That's not 
really the point. Once there's a situation like a war, where aggression can't 
be stopped without some civilian casualties in the nation the government of 
which engaged in the aggression, well, better strangers than us and those we 
love.

Nor do I think that a nuclear attack on Soviet Russia would need to kill 20 
million people to achieve surrender. Just be sure to kill Stalin and his top 
men; then there would be little percentage in continuing to fight.

John Savard

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#157140

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3109377892c7bd81989e5e@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157117
In article <87809b31-7edd-4607-b888-33f1f4fd4166@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> > So how are you going to get to Russia?  And I guess it's OK with you 
> > that 20 million or so Russians die, because, of course, according to 
> > you, they're EEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL.
> 
> I wasn't commenting on what was OK with me, but somehow I suspect it wouldn't 
> be that much of a problem for the Czechs and the Hungarians and so on.

So how many "Czechs and Hungarians" do you know personally who lived 
under Communism?  Have you asked them whether they feel that continuing 
the war with tens of millions more deaths would have been desirable?


> Just as 
> it wouldn't be that much of a problem for Americans if it was the price of 
> preventing many Americans from dying, or of Communist rule in *their* own 
> country.

You really think that the Soviet Union could be defeated by the US with 
_zero_ US deaths?  You're inhabiting a dream world.
 
> A lot of German civilians died in World War II. Were they eeevill?

They were the aggressors and got what aggressors get.

> That's not 
> really the point. Once there's a situation like a war, where aggression can't 
> be stopped without some civilian casualties in the nation the government of 
> which engaged in the aggression, well, better strangers than us and those we 
> love.

So where was the "aggression" by the Soviets?  They took down the Nazis 
and then didn't completely relinquish the territory that they had to 
pass through to get to Germany.
 
> Nor do I think that a nuclear attack on Soviet Russia would need to kill 20 
> million people to achieve surrender. Just be sure to kill Stalin and his top 
> men; then there would be little percentage in continuing to fight.

Yeah, Hitler didn't think it would take that many deaths to beat the 
Russians either.  He found out otherwise.

You seem to be one of those morons who thinks that you can drop a few 
bombs and your enemy is going to turn belly-up.  If you don't want to 
see massive FOBS coming at you one day, you better damn well occupy the 
place, and nukes be damned, you're going to be slogging through the snow 
with vast quantities of very angry Russians doing their best to ruin 
your day.

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#157173

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
Message-ID<e98f9902-dc6c-45fb-9b7f-c4ed686f73b1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157140
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:14:23 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:

> So where was the "aggression" by the Soviets?  They took down the Nazis 
> and then didn't completely relinquish the territory that they had to 
> pass through to get to Germany.

Actually, preventing the people of Poland, Czechoslovakia, and so on from having 
democratic elections, despite being entrusted with supervising those countries 
until they did so, was in violation of the terms of the Yalta agreement.

And when it comes to Poland, the Soviet Union was as aggressive as Germany, as 
they invaded it together.

John Savard

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#157189

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
Message-ID<n7omt7$hm5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#157173
On 20-Jan-16 12:09, Quadibloc wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> So where was the "aggression" by the Soviets?  They took down the
>> Nazis and then didn't completely relinquish the territory that they
>> had to pass through to get to Germany.
> 
> Actually, preventing the people of Poland, Czechoslovakia, and so on
> from having democratic elections, despite being entrusted with
> supervising those countries until they did so, was in violation of
> the terms of the Yalta agreement.

The Soviets regularly held democratic elections; people could vote for
anyone on the ballot!  They just removed any non-Communists from the
ballot, as China has been attempting to do recently in Hong Kong.

While obviously a rather different strategy, it doesn't seem like the
result is much different from US politicians using gerrymandering to
pick their voters rather than letting voters pick the politicians.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#157177

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
Message-ID<2b0d361b-7357-418d-9510-a212d59bc3fe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157140
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:14:23 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:

> You seem to be one of those morons who thinks that you can drop a few 
> bombs and your enemy is going to turn belly-up.

Well, it happened before. And the Russians aren't as fanatical as the Japanese.

> you're going to be slogging through the snow 
> with vast quantities of very angry Russians doing their best to ruin 
> your day.

If they don't welcome us as liberators, they deserve what they get.

John Savard

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#157187

From"James Green" <667755@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
Message-ID<dga3imFpgo5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#157177
"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
news:2b0d361b-7357-418d-9510-a212d59bc3fe@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:14:23 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> You seem to be one of those morons who thinks that you can drop a few
>> bombs and your enemy is going to turn belly-up.
>
> Well, it happened before.

No it didn't. The Japs were on their
last legs, the Russians had just won.

> And the Russians aren't as fanatical as the Japanese.

But weren't on their last legs.

>> you're going to be slogging through the snow
>> with vast quantities of very angry Russians doing their best to ruin
>> your day.
>
> If they don't welcome us as liberators, they deserve what they get.

That worked REAL well in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam. 

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#157230

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3109e3b3be9b8d0e989e67@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#157177
In article <2b0d361b-7357-418d-9510-a212d59bc3fe@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:14:23 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> > You seem to be one of those morons who thinks that you can drop a few 
> > bombs and your enemy is going to turn belly-up.
> 
> Well, it happened before. And the Russians aren't as fanatical as the Japanese.

Yeah, beating the crap out of them for four years, taking every island 
they ever held, sinking their navy, burning every single one of their 
cities to the ground, shooting down their air force, cutting off their 
fuel supply and raw materials, and the Russians putting boots on the 
ground in their territory, all of that had nothing to do with it, it was 
just two bombs.

> > you're going to be slogging through the snow 
> > with vast quantities of very angry Russians doing their best to ruin 
> > your day.
> 
> If they don't welcome us as liberators, they deserve what they get.

The Russians aren't going to see _anybody_ who is planting their muddy 
boots on Mother Russia as a "liberator", Quadi.

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#157302

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
Message-ID<86534bf8-c7d7-4a4e-9922-fddadfe1c167@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#157230
On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 6:29:33 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:

> The Russians aren't going to see _anybody_ who is planting their muddy 
> boots on Mother Russia as a "liberator", Quadi.

Actually, when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, _at first_,
the people felt liberated.  Life under Stalin was not good.  However,
very quickly they discovered that the Germans were just as bad.

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