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| Started by | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| First post | 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000 |
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Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 16:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 13:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-13 17:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:11 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-13 16:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:23 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-13 17:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:11 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-01-14 08:27 -0700
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:38 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 14:00 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-16 08:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 15:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:51 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:45 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:40 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 10:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 19:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 11:22 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 20:00 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 14:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 11:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:14 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 14:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:38 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-21 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:47 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:52 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 17:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 18:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:25 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 10:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-24 11:21 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 20:23 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 04:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:54 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 13:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 17:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 07:19 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 19:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-25 14:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:22 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 09:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 20:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 14:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:10 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 23:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:02 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 18:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-17 08:18 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:21 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:51 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-20 17:13 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:35 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:02 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 13:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-22 21:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 15:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:22 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:33 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:23 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:37 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-19 22:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 17:54 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:01 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 11:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:30 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:32 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 19:06 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 21:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:57 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-19 23:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 08:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:40 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:36 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 20:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 08:18 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:30 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:13 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 14:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2016-01-21 17:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 12:18 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 10:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 11:39 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 07:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:09 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:02 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 11:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 16:08 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:41 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-15 15:43 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 07:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2016-01-14 16:00 -0900
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:01 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 21:17 +0000
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Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 21:25 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 07:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:46 +0100
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Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 20:00 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-14 00:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-14 01:35 +0000
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dg3ra9FtpcfU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156892 |
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:22:59 +0100, Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, > Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >>On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>> >>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; >>>> they apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus >>>> elementary schools built they later were all single-story. >>>> >>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some >>>> of the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>> >>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms >>>> and theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad >>>> after the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if >>>> land is relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>> >>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million >>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was >>> a city of about 500,000. >>> >>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>> >>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of >>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in >>> Vancouver, >>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >> >>Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe >>four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was >>four floors. > > We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They > often take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great > a view. > The public pays for the education, not for the view. Geography dictates the location of most primary schools; they are mostly within walking distance of those in their catchment area (at least in towns). Secondary schools are different (pupils can get there without parents) but older ones are still, in many cases, in the middle of urban areas. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1367531725.474813360.177750.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156892 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, > Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>> >>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they >>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>>> >>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of >>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>> >>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and >>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>> >>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million >>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a >>> city of about 500,000. >>> >>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>> >>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of >>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver, >>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >> >> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe >> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was >> four floors. > > We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They often > take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great a view. > The public pays for the education, not for the view. That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the style. Come the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the windows to save energy. > > My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and single > floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area because it > was built in a hill. > > It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality > abandoning this design. > > -- mrr > -- Pete
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7jpd8$19i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156897 |
On 1/18/2016 6:45 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >> In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, >> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>>> >>>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they >>>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >>>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>>>> >>>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of >>>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>>> >>>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and >>>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >>>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >>>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>>> >>>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million >>>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a >>>> city of about 500,000. >>>> >>>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>>> >>>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of >>>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver, >>>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >>> >>> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe >>> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was >>> four floors. >> >> We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They often >> take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great a view. >> The public pays for the education, not for the view. > > That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the style. Come > the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the windows > to save energy. When they built a new elementary school where I was (late 1950s), there was lots of grumbling by the citizenry about all the glass. But it turns out, glass is relatively cheap to build with (especially when energy was cheap), compared to brick. That was a 2-story school, I did 5th & 6th grades there. > >> >> My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and single >> floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area because it >> was built in a hill. >> >> It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality >> abandoning this design. >> >> -- mrr >> > > >
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31073873279b7933989e35@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156933 |
In article <n7jpd8$19i$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says... > > On 1/18/2016 6:45 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, > >> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: > >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, > >>>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was > >>>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they > >>>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary > >>>>> schools built they later were all single-story. > >>>>> > >>>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of > >>>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and > >>>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after > >>>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is > >>>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. > >>>> > >>>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million > >>>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a > >>>> city of about 500,000. > >>>> > >>>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. > >>>> > >>>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of > >>>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver, > >>>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. > >>> > >>> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe > >>> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was > >>> four floors. > >> > >> We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They often > >> take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great a view. > >> The public pays for the education, not for the view. > > > > That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the style. Come > > the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the windows > > to save energy. > > When they built a new elementary school where I was (late 1950s), > there was lots of grumbling by the citizenry about all the glass. But > it turns out, glass is relatively cheap to build with (especially when > energy was cheap), compared to brick. > > That was a 2-story school, I did 5th & 6th grades there. Where I went to school the glass actually made sense--it was north Florida where it gets cold enough in the winter to be uncomfortable but there's still plenty of sunlight coming through those windows. If they had been double-glazed and the rest well insulated they might have had to run cooling most of the year. Of course the only cooling was ceiling fans and open windows. > >> My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and single > >> floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area because it > >> was built in a hill. > >> > >> It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality > >> abandoning this design. > >> > >> -- mrr > >> > > > > > >
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg5f4dFmmlfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156933 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n7jpd8$19i$1@dont-email.me... > On 1/18/2016 6:45 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >>> In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>>>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>>>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; >>>>>> they >>>>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >>>>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>>>>> >>>>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some >>>>>> of >>>>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms >>>>>> and >>>>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >>>>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >>>>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>>>> >>>>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million >>>>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was >>>>> a >>>>> city of about 500,000. >>>>> >>>>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>>>> >>>>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of >>>>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in >>>>> Vancouver, >>>>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >>>> >>>> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe >>>> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was >>>> four floors. >>> >>> We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They >>> often >>> take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great a >>> view. >>> The public pays for the education, not for the view. >> >> That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the style. Come >> the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the >> windows >> to save energy. > > When they built a new elementary school where I was (late 1950s), there > was lots of grumbling by the citizenry about all the glass. But it turns > out, glass is relatively cheap to build with (especially when energy was > cheap), compared to brick. That is completely mad. It was never anything like as cheap as brick. > That was a 2-story school, I did 5th & 6th grades there. > >> >>> >>> My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and single >>> floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area because >>> it >>> was built in a hill. >>> >>> It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality >>> abandoning this design.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7k7df$9gt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156939 |
On 1/18/2016 6:42 PM, jack wrote: > > > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > news:n7jpd8$19i$1@dont-email.me... >> On 1/18/2016 6:45 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>> In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly >>>>>>> expensive, >>>>>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. >>>>>>> Mine was >>>>>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the >>>>>>> district; they >>>>>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus >>>>>>> elementary >>>>>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and >>>>>>> some of >>>>>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. >>>>>>> gyms and >>>>>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad >>>>>>> after >>>>>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if >>>>>>> land is >>>>>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>>>>> >>>>>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one >>>>>> million >>>>>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, >>>>>> it was a >>>>>> city of about 500,000. >>>>>> >>>>>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed >>>>>> parts of >>>>>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in >>>>>> Vancouver, >>>>>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >>>>> >>>>> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors >>>>> (maybe >>>>> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary >>>>> school was >>>>> four floors. >>>> >>>> We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. >>>> They often >>>> take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great >>>> a view. >>>> The public pays for the education, not for the view. >>> >>> That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the >>> style. Come >>> the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the >>> windows >>> to save energy. >> >> When they built a new elementary school where I was (late 1950s), >> there was lots of grumbling by the citizenry about all the glass. >> But it turns out, glass is relatively cheap to build with >> (especially when energy was cheap), compared to brick. > > That is completely mad. It was never anything like as cheap as brick. That's what people were told, don't actually know the truth. I'd expect the labor to be far less with glass, since you're doing large panels (and since it also provides the interior wall surface, no drywall needed) instead of brick by brick. Hard to tell now, googling I find construction costs of glass to be anywhere from half to twice brick (unsurprisingly, brick industry websites show lower costs for brick). I don't see any brick skyscrapers going up these days (I suppose that application would be a curtain wall, same as glass). A State of Michigan publication shows the cost of common 8" brick as $14-20/sf (but you still need an interior wall) and the cost of large doubleglazed fixed windows at $13-21/sf. > >> That was a 2-story school, I did 5th & 6th grades there. >> >>> >>>> >>>> My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and >>>> single >>>> floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area >>>> because it >>>> was built in a hill. >>>> >>>> It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality >>>> abandoning this design. > >
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg5ocjFomc3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156953 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n7k7df$9gt$1@dont-email.me... > On 1/18/2016 6:42 PM, jack wrote: >> >> >> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >> news:n7jpd8$19i$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 1/18/2016 6:45 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>>> In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>>> Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly >>>>>>>> expensive, >>>>>>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. >>>>>>>> Mine was >>>>>>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the >>>>>>>> district; they >>>>>>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus >>>>>>>> elementary >>>>>>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and >>>>>>>> some of >>>>>>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. >>>>>>>> gyms and >>>>>>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if >>>>>>>> land is >>>>>>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one >>>>>>> million >>>>>>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, >>>>>>> it was a >>>>>>> city of about 500,000. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed >>>>>>> parts of >>>>>>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in >>>>>>> Vancouver, >>>>>>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors >>>>>> (maybe >>>>>> four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary >>>>>> school was >>>>>> four floors. >>>>> >>>>> We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. >>>>> They often >>>>> take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great >>>>> a view. >>>>> The public pays for the education, not for the view. >>>> >>>> That's the other thing. In the 60s lots of windows were the >>>> style. Come >>>> the energy crisis of the 70s, dostricts went around blocking up the >>>> windows >>>> to save energy. >>> >>> When they built a new elementary school where I was (late 1950s), >>> there was lots of grumbling by the citizenry about all the glass. >>> But it turns out, glass is relatively cheap to build with >>> (especially when energy was cheap), compared to brick. >> >> That is completely mad. It was never anything like as cheap as brick. > > That's what people were told, don't actually know the truth. I do know the truth because I was struck by how much more expensive the glass was than the alternative bricks. > I'd expect the labor to be far less with glass, since you're doing large > panels That wasn’t true in the late 50s. > (and since it also provides the interior wall surface, no drywall needed) > instead of brick by brick. But vastly more expensive than the bricks or the drywall. > Hard to tell now, googling I find construction costs of glass to be > anywhere from half to twice brick Its never half with those large areas of glass. > (unsurprisingly, brick industry websites show lower costs for brick). I > don't see any brick skyscrapers going up these days For reasons that have nothing to do with the cost of the walls. > (I suppose that application would be a curtain wall, same as glass). But with much more expensive glass and fixings for the glass than you would ever have seen with schools in the late 1950s. In the late 50s they would have been entirely done using flat steel frames assembled on site. That was well before extruded aluminum frames were commonly used in places like schools. > A State of Michigan publication shows the cost of common 8" brick as > $14-20/sf (but you still need an interior wall) and the cost of large > doubleglazed fixed windows at $13-21/sf. They wouldn’t have been fixed windows in schools in the late 50s. >>> That was a 2-story school, I did 5th & 6th grades there. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and >>>>> single >>>>> floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area >>>>> because it >>>>> was built in a hill. >>>>> >>>>> It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality >>>>> abandoning this design.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1402142423.474812930.934142.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156873 |
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote: >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says... >>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a >>>>> table. >>>>> >>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most >>>> effective. >>> >>> What stairs? Most public schools at the time were one-story. >> >> Most? >> >> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can >> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common >> height. > > That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, > but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was > actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they > apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary > schools built they later were all single-story. Most schools built in the 50s and 60s have been one-story. There were (and still are) a lot of older multi-story schools at all levels in use in the US. > > In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of > the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. > > Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and > theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after > the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is > relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. > > S > -- Pete
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg4l3dFg0peU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156896 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1402142423.474812930.934142.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote: >>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says... >>>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a >>>>>> table. >>>>>> >>>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most >>>>> effective. >>>> >>>> What stairs? Most public schools at the time were one-story. >>> >>> Most? >>> >>> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can >>> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common >>> height. >> >> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they >> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >> schools built they later were all single-story. > > Most schools built in the 50s and 60s have been one-story. That isnt true here. Most of the grade schools built here in the 50s and 60s are single story, but the high schools are multi story, usually two. And here there is no shortage of land because the new schools built at that time were mostly built on land that had been used for agriculture and were part of the addition of lots of new houses. > There were (and still are) a lot of older multi-story > schools at all levels in use in the US. Same here too. And its very easy to use the google street view to browse for that. >> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of >> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >> >> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and >> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <u9lvmc-o08.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #156911 |
In article <dg4l3dFg0peU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > > >"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1402142423.474812930.934142.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says... >>>>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a >>>>>>> table. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most >>>>>> effective. >>>>> >>>>> What stairs? Most public schools at the time were one-story. >>>> >>>> Most? >>>> >>>> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can >>>> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common >>>> height. >>> >>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they >>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >>> schools built they later were all single-story. >> >> Most schools built in the 50s and 60s have been one-story. > >That isnt true here. Most of the grade schools built here in >the 50s and 60s are single story, but the high schools are >multi story, usually two. And here there is no shortage of >land because the new schools built at that time were >mostly built on land that had been used for agriculture >and were part of the addition of lots of new houses. When our school was built it was around 1km into the agricultural zone, outside suburbia. They took hilly badlands with a not too great view; so they probably got a lot of land pretty cheap. And they built low and wide. Really wide. Fast forward 50 years, and the area is now 15 km inside suburbia, and a new tunnel to the city exits around 300 meters away from the entrance. The school premises has become premium land; it has been a magnet of activity for half a century. Now they have build some extra 3 floor buildings, and are considering demolishing the 1 floor ones to make room for lots more pupils, in 3 story ones on a lot smaller footprint. And they may even sell off some land to developers. Anything to fund the budget. >> There were (and still are) a lot of older multi-story >> schools at all levels in use in the US. > >Same here too. > >And its very easy to use the google street view to browse for that. > >>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of >>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>> >>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and >>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. In the expansion areas I guess you will hear the very same story. What was agrcultural badlands 50 years ago has now been a business magnet for half a century. -- mrr
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87vb6qxjtt.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #156916 |
In article <dg4l3dFg0peU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > That isnt true here. Most of the grade schools built here in > the 50s and 60s are single story, but the high schools are > multi story, usually two. And here there is no shortage of > land because the new schools built at that time were > mostly built on land that had been used for agriculture > and were part of the addition of lots of new houses. All of the schools I went to, excepting 1st grade in Van Nuys (modern one storey), were built before 1900. The grade schools were 2 storey frame, jr high 3 storey brick and high school 3 storey stone. One of the grade schools survives as a community centre. The high school was such a spectacular building that it's been converted into expensive condos. They tore the floor out of the assembly hall so now there's a 4-1/2 storey atrium from where the basement cafeteria used to be under the assembly hall up to the space where the assembly hall chandeliers were relamped. I don't know what happened to the Victorian-era domed observatory and big brass telescope. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1601182352480.29049@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #156964 |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2016, Mike Spencer wrote: > > In article <dg4l3dFg0peU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > >> That isnt true here. Most of the grade schools built here in >> the 50s and 60s are single story, but the high schools are >> multi story, usually two. And here there is no shortage of >> land because the new schools built at that time were >> mostly built on land that had been used for agriculture >> and were part of the addition of lots of new houses. > > All of the schools I went to, excepting 1st grade in Van Nuys (modern > one storey), were built before 1900. The grade schools were 2 storey > frame, jr high 3 storey brick and high school 3 storey stone. One of > the grade schools survives as a community centre. The high school was > such a spectacular building that it's been converted into expensive > condos. They tore the floor out of the assembly hall so now there's a > 4-1/2 storey atrium from where the basement cafeteria used to be under the > assembly hall up to the space where the assembly hall chandeliers were > relamped. I don't know what happened to the Victorian-era domed > observatory and big brass telescope. > That's true. The elementary school I went to had such high ceilings, it was two or three (plus the basement) floors. It had been a high school earlier, but I can't remember the full history. About the time I was born, there was a new high school, all so modern. When I got there, I was surprised how low the ceilings were, it had definitely three floors (plus basement) but was lower than the elementary school. The public high school (and I'm not sure where it fit into the history that was replaced by this modern school became a private school. As such, it actually looks like it belongs, nince and fancy but really just the result of old architecture. That private school now even has a house or two nearby as part of the "campus" and the church across the street. When it was a church, I went to Cub meetings there, always so suprised by how modern the church was. But there'd been a fire just a few years before (about 1966), and they had rebuilt, but a modern design. I think statistics skewed so only in the suburbs were modern schools generally built, during that period of the baby boom, otherwise schools have closed rather than expanded. Michael
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <375082444.474898421.662545.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156916 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > In article <dg4l3dFg0peU1@mid.individual.net>, jack <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> >> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1402142423.474812930.934142.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>> On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote: >>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says... >>>>>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a >>>>>>>> table. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most >>>>>>> effective. >>>>>> >>>>>> What stairs? Most public schools at the time were one-story. >>>>> >>>>> Most? >>>>> >>>>> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can >>>>> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common >>>>> height. >>>> >>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive, >>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story. Mine was >>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they >>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary >>>> schools built they later were all single-story. >>> >>> Most schools built in the 50s and 60s have been one-story. >> >> That isnt true here. Most of the grade schools built here in >> the 50s and 60s are single story, but the high schools are >> multi story, usually two. And here there is no shortage of >> land because the new schools built at that time were >> mostly built on land that had been used for agriculture >> and were part of the addition of lots of new houses. > > When our school was built it was around 1km into the agricultural > zone, outside suburbia. They took hilly badlands with a not too > great view; so they probably got a lot of land pretty cheap. > And they built low and wide. Really wide. > > Fast forward 50 years, and the area is now 15 km inside suburbia, > and a new tunnel to the city exits around 300 meters away from the > entrance. The school premises has become premium land; it has > been a magnet of activity for half a century. > > Now they have build some extra 3 floor buildings, and are considering > demolishing the 1 floor ones to make room for lots more pupils, in > 3 story ones on a lot smaller footprint. > > And they may even sell off some land to developers. > > Anything to fund the budget. > >>> There were (and still are) a lot of older multi-story >>> schools at all levels in use in the US. >> >> Same here too. >> >> And its very easy to use the google street view to browse for that. >> >>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of >>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that. >>>> >>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and >>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after >>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is >>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US. > > In the expansion areas I guess you will hear the very same story. What was > agrcultural badlands 50 years ago has now been a business magnet for half > a century. > It's hard to build multi-story schools in the US because of the ADA. Everything has to be handicap accessible, which means ramps or elevators. -- Pete
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6Jrny.193917$TE6.182877@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #156990 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> > >It's hard to build multi-story schools in the US because of the ADA. >Everything has to be handicap accessible, which means ramps or elevators. > My high school had an elevator, for that very purpose, in the early 70's. Long before the ADA.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160119143850.d50b0e71e042d5d589056a5d@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #156990 |
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:36:01 -0500 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > It's hard to build multi-story schools in the US because of the ADA. > Everything has to be handicap accessible, which means ramps or elevators. Elevators so that in the event of a fire only the able bodied get out ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n7lvhq026gt@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #156999 |
On 2016-01-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:36:01 -0500 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> It's hard to build multi-story schools in the US because of the ADA. >> Everything has to be handicap accessible, which means ramps or elevators. > > Elevators so that in the event of a fire only the able bodied get > out ? No, you're not supposed to use elevators in the event of a fire. :-) -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n7m9kj$ceb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #157024 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > On 2016-01-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:36:01 -0500 >> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> It's hard to build multi-story schools in the US because of the ADA. >>> Everything has to be handicap accessible, which means ramps or elevators. >> >> Elevators so that in the event of a fire only the able bodied get >> out ? > > No, you're not supposed to use elevators in the event of a fire. :-) Just reading that after 911, they're rethinking that. If the building is over a certain height, stairs can't carry the traffic. I don't know if there are any laws for this, but common sense says if you're wheel chair bound, you are not going down the stairs, so I think there are exceptions for the disabled. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b208d2f3-13ab-4218-9ffb-ecf4f4544cf0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #157049 |
On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:28:26 PM UTC-7, D_J_E wrote: > I don't know if there are any laws for this, but common sense says > if you're wheel chair bound, you are not going down the stairs, > so I think there are exceptions for the disabled. Then the firemen escort you down, because they have the keys to operate the elevators with. John Savard
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dg7smcF8f3rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #157054 |
"Quadibloc" wriote: > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:28:26 PM UTC-7, D_J_E wrote: > >> I don't know if there are any laws for this, but common sense says >> if you're wheel chair bound, you are not going down the stairs, >> so I think there are exceptions for the disabled. > > Then the firemen escort you down, because they have the keys to operate > the > elevators with. And while you are waiting for the fireman, you might reflect on the fact that politicians can not, in fact, make life equal and maybe you should have taken a different job.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <hm23ab1l3gjmuha28ivkof39e6gvrqp2v0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #157067 |
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:46:37 -0600, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
wrote:
>"Quadibloc" wriote:
>
>
>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 2:28:26 PM UTC-7, D_J_E wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if there are any laws for this, but common sense says
>>> if you're wheel chair bound, you are not going down the stairs,
>>> so I think there are exceptions for the disabled.
>>
>> Then the firemen escort you down, because they have the keys to operate
>> the
>> elevators with.
>
>And while you are waiting for the fireman, you might reflect on the fact
>that politicians can not, in fact, make life equal and maybe you should have
>taken a different job.
such as playing hooky?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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