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Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union)

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
Last post2016-01-14 14:02 +0000
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  Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 16:32 -0500
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 13:40 -0800
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-13 17:04 -0500
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:11 -0500
        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-13 16:10 -0600
          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:23 -0800
            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 18:52 -0500
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-13 17:20 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:20 -0800
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:37 -0600
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:07 -0500
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:11 +0000
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:12 +0000
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-01-14 08:27 -0700
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:26 -0800
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-16 16:21 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:59 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-15 16:50 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:38 +0100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:15 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 14:00 -0800
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:53 -0600
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:03 +0000
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:11 -0800
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-16 08:41 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 07:46 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:04 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:34 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:15 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 15:33 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:51 -0600
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:45 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:13 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:34 -0800
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:40 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:33 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:27 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:36 -0600
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:08 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:29 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 10:56 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 19:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 11:22 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 20:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0800
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:07 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 14:24 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:11 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 11:27 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:14 -0600
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:47 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 14:04 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:38 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-21 14:12 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:15 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:47 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:54 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:52 -0800
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:29 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:39 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:46 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 17:14 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 18:50 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:25 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:44 +0000
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:54 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 10:43 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-24 11:21 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 20:23 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:21 +0100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:33 +1100
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 04:55 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:34 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:19 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:46 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:45 +1100
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:54 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:08 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 13:57 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:33 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:09 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:40 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 17:40 +1100
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 07:19 +0000
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 19:18 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:40 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:12 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:59 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:19 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:41 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:09 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-25 14:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:22 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:04 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 09:55 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:41 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 19:46 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 20:31 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:39 -0600
                                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:23 -0500
                                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:42 -0600
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-27 08:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:19 -0500
                                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:56 -0600
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0800
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:05 +1100
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:40 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 14:19 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:10 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 23:45 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:02 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 18:17 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:24 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-17 08:18 -0600
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:21 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:45 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:34 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:51 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-20 17:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:11 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:40 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:10 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:41 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:35 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:49 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:41 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:37 +0000
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:02 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:42 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 13:29 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-22 21:09 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:46 +1100
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 15:01 -0600
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:17 +1100
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:29 -0600
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:52 +1100
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:46 +0000
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:02 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:33 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:36 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:24 +0000
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:23 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:37 +1100
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:34 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:34 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:42 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:54 -0500
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100
                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600
                                                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:43 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-19 22:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:35 -0600
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:26 -0800
                                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:52 -0500
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:36 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:27 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:59 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 17:54 -0600
                                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:01 -0800
                                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:49 -0600
                                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 11:01 -0600
                                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:19 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:30 -0500
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:32 -0800
                                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 19:06 -0600
                                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0600
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:57 -0500
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:02 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:40 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:55 +1100
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:57 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:37 -0600
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +1100
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 21:59 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:57 -0600
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:17 +1100
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:27 -0800
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-19 23:24 +0000
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:43 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:10 -0800
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 08:15 +0000
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:42 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:40 +0000
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:24 -0500
                                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:36 -0800
                                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 20:47 +0000
                                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
                                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 08:18 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0600
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:08 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:15 -0500
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:44 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:08 -0600
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:07 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:56 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:30 -0800
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:13 +1100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:36 -0600
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 -0600
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 14:35 -0600
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2016-01-21 17:05 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 12:18 -0500
                                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:35 -0600
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:20 +0000
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 10:42 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:04 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 11:39 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 07:23 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:09 +0100
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:41 +1100
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:02 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 11:56 -0800
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:57 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 16:08 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0800
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:41 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-15 15:43 +0000
                                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:06 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 07:04 +0000
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +1100
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:43 -0500
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2016-01-14 16:00 -0900
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:05 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:04 -0600
                          Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:17 -0500
                            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:57 +0000
                              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:53 -0600
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:01 +0000
                        Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 21:17 +0000
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 18:08 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 21:25 -0500
                  Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 07:31 -0800
                    Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:46 +0100
                      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 10:43 -0800
                Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 20:00 -0600
              Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-14 00:31 -0800
            Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:30 -0600
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-14 01:35 +0000
      Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000

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#156809

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.31054e8555fd3d56989e19@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156807
In article <slrnn9mvhh.1af.mausg@smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com says...
> 
> On 2016-01-17, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com 
> > says...
> >> 
> >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> >> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> > In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
> >> > says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net...
> >> >> > On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT
> >> >> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> We had almost as many atom bomb drills
> >> >> >> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend over,
> >> >> > tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye".
> >> >>
> >> >> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >> >
> >> > Are you old enough to remember those drills personally?
> >> 
> >> We didn't have any here.
> >> 
> >> > I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible.
> >> 
> >> He's not right with the about what made sense.
> >> 
> >> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be
> >> exposed to flash burns.
> >
> > That's nice.  Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read the 
> > same book you did.
> >
> >> Plenty survived Hiroshima
> >> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to
> >> flash burns purely by luck because of where they
> >> were when the bomb went off.
> >
> > So?  
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Prisoners of war in one of those cities were digging trenches. The one 
> cleaning off the glasis died, the one deepening the trench survived.


Here's a link to the kind of desk under which we were required to hide.

Note that they were generally arranged so that the windows, which 
covered the wall from about waist height to a 12-foot ceiling, were to 
the left.  And in our school the windows faced the general direction of 
a US naval station at which two carriers were based, in other words a 
priority target.

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#156810

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.310551d116a79e2f989e1a@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156809
In article <MPG.31054e8555fd3d56989e19@news.eternal-september.org>, 
j.clarke.873638@gmail.com says...
> 
> In article <slrnn9mvhh.1af.mausg@smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com says...
> > 
> > On 2016-01-17, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com 
> > > says...
> > >> 
> > >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> > >> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org...
> > >> > In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
> > >> > says...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net...
> > >> >> > On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT
> > >> >> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We had almost as many atom bomb drills
> > >> >> >> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend over,
> > >> >> > tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye".
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are you old enough to remember those drills personally?
> > >> 
> > >> We didn't have any here.
> > >> 
> > >> > I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible.
> > >> 
> > >> He's not right with the about what made sense.
> > >> 
> > >> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be
> > >> exposed to flash burns.
> > >
> > > That's nice.  Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read the 
> > > same book you did.
> > >
> > >> Plenty survived Hiroshima
> > >> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to
> > >> flash burns purely by luck because of where they
> > >> were when the bomb went off.
> > >
> > > So?  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Prisoners of war in one of those cities were digging trenches. The one 
> > cleaning off the glasis died, the one deepening the trench survived.
> 
> 
> Here's a link to the kind of desk under which we were required to hide.

Arrghh.

<https://www.schooloutfitters.com/catalog/product_info/pfam_id/PFAM25182
/products_id/PRO40107>
> 
> Note that they were generally arranged so that the windows, which 
> covered the wall from about waist height to a 12-foot ceiling, were to 
> the left.  And in our school the windows faced the general direction of 
> a US naval station at which two carriers were based, in other words a 
> priority target.

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#156849

From"jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
Message-ID<dg24n8FqvulU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#156809

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.31054e8555fd3d56989e19@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <slrnn9mvhh.1af.mausg@smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com says...
>>
>> On 2016-01-17, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> > In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
>> >> > says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net...
>> >> >> > On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT
>> >> >> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> We had almost as many atom bomb drills
>> >> >> >> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend over,
>> >> >> > tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you old enough to remember those drills personally?
>> >>
>> >> We didn't have any here.
>> >>
>> >> > I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible.
>> >>
>> >> He's not right with the about what made sense.
>> >>
>> >> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be
>> >> exposed to flash burns.
>> >
>> > That's nice.  Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read the
>> > same book you did.
>> >
>> >> Plenty survived Hiroshima
>> >> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to
>> >> flash burns purely by luck because of where they
>> >> were when the bomb went off.
>> >
>> > So?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Prisoners of war in one of those cities were digging trenches. The one
>> cleaning off the glasis died, the one deepening the trench survived.
>
>
> Here's a link to the kind of desk under which we were required to hide.
>
> Note that they were generally arranged so that the windows, which
> covered the wall from about waist height to a 12-foot ceiling, were to
> the left.

Plenty of schools didn't have that much window.

> And in our school the windows faced the general direction of
> a US naval station at which two carriers were based, in other words a
> priority target.

And few schools were in that situation.

And in the very early 50s when the duck and cover campaign started,
the USSR couldn't deliver very many nukes to the US anyway. 

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#156815

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
Message-ID<7tednbVmNpzQPQbLnZ2dnUU78YWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#156779
On 17/01/2016 04:33, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
> says...
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net...
>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills
>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend over,
>>>>> tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye".
>>>>
>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>>
>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally?
>>
>> We didn't have any here.
>>
>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible.
>>
>> He's not right with the about what made sense.
>>
>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be
>> exposed to flash burns.
>
> That's nice.  Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read the
> same book you did.
>
>> Plenty survived Hiroshima
>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to
>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they
>> were when the bomb went off.
>
> So?
>

So when outside the main blast area get in doors, cover the windows with 
something reflective that does not burn. The roof is likely to collapse 
so be beneath the stairs or a table.

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#156834

FromStan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org>
Date2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<slrnn9ne1d.2rh2.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>
In reply to#156815
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:08:12 +0000, Andrew Swallow 
<am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>
> So when outside the main blast area get in doors, cover the windows with 
> something reflective that does not burn. 

Plain old-fashioned whitewash is effective (these things were tested
with real bombs!).

> The roof is likely to collapse 
> so be beneath the stairs or a table.
>
Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most effective.

-- 
Stan Barr     plan.b@bluesomatic.org

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#156838

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.310592368b942b9d989e1f@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156834
In article <slrnn9ne1d.2rh2.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>, 
plan.b@bluesomatic.org says...
> 
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:08:12 +0000, Andrew Swallow 
> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >
> > So when outside the main blast area get in doors, cover the windows with 
> > something reflective that does not burn. 
> 
> Plain old-fashioned whitewash is effective (these things were tested
> with real bombs!).

I assure you that the drill we were taught did not involve applying 
whitewash to windows.


> > The roof is likely to collapse 
> > so be beneath the stairs or a table.
> >
> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most effective.

What stairs?  Most public schools at the time were one-story.

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#156868

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
Message-ID<n7ha8j$1sn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#156838
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> In article <slrnn9ne1d.2rh2.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>, 
> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says...
>> 
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:08:12 +0000, Andrew Swallow 
>> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> > So when outside the main blast area get in doors, cover the windows with 
>> > something reflective that does not burn. 
>> 
>> Plain old-fashioned whitewash is effective (these things were tested
>> with real bombs!).
>
> I assure you that the drill we were taught did not involve applying 
> whitewash to windows.
>
>
>> > The roof is likely to collapse 
>> > so be beneath the stairs or a table.
>> >
>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most effective.
>
> What stairs?  Most public schools at the time were one-story.

Most?

Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx)
I can assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was
a very common height.

If I recall, we had 2 bomb drills.  One under the desk,
the second in the hallways.  I really can't remember a 3rd.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#156871

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.3105fb28a54b7be1989e25@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156868
In article <n7ha8j$1sn$1@dont-email.me>, despen@verizon.net says...
> 
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > In article <slrnn9ne1d.2rh2.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>, 
> > plan.b@bluesomatic.org says...
> >> 
> >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:08:12 +0000, Andrew Swallow 
> >> <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > So when outside the main blast area get in doors, cover the windows with 
> >> > something reflective that does not burn. 
> >> 
> >> Plain old-fashioned whitewash is effective (these things were tested
> >> with real bombs!).
> >
> > I assure you that the drill we were taught did not involve applying 
> > whitewash to windows.
> >
> >
> >> > The roof is likely to collapse 
> >> > so be beneath the stairs or a table.
> >> >
> >> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most effective.
> >
> > What stairs?  Most public schools at the time were one-story.
> 
> Most?
> 
> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx)
> I can assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was
> a very common height.
> 
> If I recall, we had 2 bomb drills.  One under the desk,
> the second in the hallways.  I really can't remember a 3rd.

New York and other high population density areas might be a different 
story.  Florida, Virginia, Louisiana, California they were one story--
there was an Episcopal parochial school that was multiple story but it 
was so dilapidated I suspect a good kick in the right spot would have 
brought the whole edifice down.

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#156873

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
Message-ID<n7hdp6$elr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#156868
On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says...
>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a
>>>> table.
>>>> 
>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most
>>> effective.
>> 
>> What stairs?  Most public schools at the time were one-story.
> 
> Most?
> 
> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can
> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common
> height.

That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive,
but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story.  Mine was
actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they
apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary
schools built they later were all single-story.

In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of
the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.

Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and
theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after
the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is
relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#156882

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1601172331100.26926@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#156873
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> On 17-Jan-16 18:08, Dan Espen wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> plan.b@bluesomatic.org says...
>>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> The roof is likely to collapse so be beneath the stairs or a
>>>>> table.
>>>>>
>>>> Experience in the blitz showed under the stairs was most
>>>> effective.
>>>
>>> What stairs?  Most public schools at the time were one-story.
>>
>> Most?
>>
>> Since I went to school in he center of the universe (the Bronx) I can
>> assure you that PS 68 was 3 stories tall and that was a very common
>> height.
>
> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive,
> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story.  Mine was
> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they
> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary
> schools built they later were all single-story.
>
> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of
> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.
>
> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and
> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after
> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is
> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.
>
But in the schools I went to, the gym and the auditorium were two levels. 
that worked well because the schools were multi-level.  If they'd been 
only one level, in order to get the same height they'd have to build some 
of the school as two levels.   I think the auditoriums had a balcony, but 
I cant' remember why the gyms were so high (though in elementary school, 
there was a floor that ran around the upper level, so we could jog around 
there.

   Michael

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#157012

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
Message-ID<n7lo9d$38d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#156882
On 17-Jan-16 22:33, Michael Black wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly
>> expensive, but in most of the US, elementary schools are
>> single-story.  Mine was actually two stories, but that was an
>> experiment by the district; they apparently didn't like the result
>> because the dozen-plus elementary schools built they later were all
>> single-story.
>> 
>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some
>> of the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.
>> 
>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms
>> and theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad
>> after the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if
>> land is relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.
> 
> But in the schools I went to, the gym and the auditorium were two 
> levels. that worked well because the schools were multi-level.  If 
> they'd been only one level, in order to get the same height they'd
> have to build some of the school as two levels. I think the
> auditoriums had a balcony, but I cant' remember why the gyms were so
> high (though in elementary school, there was a floor that ran around
> the upper level, so we could jog around there.

Our elementary schools didn't have real theaters*, and the gyms were a
much later addition; originally, P.E. was held outdoors in good weather
and in the cafeteria in bad weather, like recess.

Our middle and high schools had real theaters and sports facilities from
day one, which were necessarily two-story.

* They had a "cafetorium"; there was a removable wall between the
cafeteria and the music room, which had risers or a small stage that
faced the removable wall.  The audience sat at the cafeteria tables.

S

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#157338

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
Message-ID<hp13abhe5273reo373l3jv0lf9i0lbt4lb@4ax.com>
In reply to#156882
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:33:19 -0500, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
wrote:

[snip]

>But in the schools I went to, the gym and the auditorium were two levels. 
>that worked well because the schools were multi-level.  If they'd been 
>only one level, in order to get the same height they'd have to build some 
>of the school as two levels.   I think the auditoriums had a balcony, but 
>I cant' remember why the gyms were so high (though in elementary school, 
>there was a floor that ran around the upper level, so we could jog around 
>there.

     I attended grade school in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada.

     My first school did not have a gymnasium.  The closest it had was
a one-story assembly area.  All the others each had a gym, and each
gym was high-ceilinged.

     Why high-ceilinged?  Benefitting from it was:
- some equipment (ropes, rings, and some folded-into-wall exercise
equipment with ladders and ropes)
- some games (such as badminton, volleyball, basketball)
- stage (Each of those "gymmed" schools did have a stage.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#157345

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
Message-ID<n7s87h1210d@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#157338
On 2016-01-22, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:

>      I attended grade school in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada.

Which one?  I was at Latimer Road Elementary, which at the time
had four rooms and a basement.  Grades 5 and 6 shared a room,
and presumably some of the lower grades did too.

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#157376

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
Message-ID<tsl5ab5ep5prba5q74s1rnbllvs16fu6do@4ax.com>
In reply to#157345
On 22 Jan 2016 03:38:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2016-01-22, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>      I attended grade school in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada.
>
>Which one?  I was at Latimer Road Elementary, which at the time
>had four rooms and a basement.  Grades 5 and 6 shared a room,
>and presumably some of the lower grades did too.

     Newton Elementary (the old one at 72nd and King George Highway)
     Prince Charles Elementary
     William Beagle Jr. Sec. (might be an elementary now)
     West Whalley Jr. Sec.
     Queen Elizabeth Sr. Sec.
     Lord Tweedsmuir Sr. Sec. (now an elementary school last I
checked)

     Late in my Grade 11 year, my dad remarried and we moved.  We
lived about 2 1/2 blocks from Latimer Road Elementary.  My stepsister
attended it.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#157383

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
Message-ID<n7v1oj02s5d@news6.newsguy.com>
In reply to#157376
On 2016-01-23, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:

> On 22 Jan 2016 03:38:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-01-22, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>>      I attended grade school in Surrey, British Columbia, Canada.
>>
>> Which one?  I was at Latimer Road Elementary, which at the time
>> had four rooms and a basement.  Grades 5 and 6 shared a room,
>> and presumably some of the lower grades did too.
>
>      Newton Elementary (the old one at 72nd and King George Highway)
>      Prince Charles Elementary
>      William Beagle Jr. Sec. (might be an elementary now)
>      West Whalley Jr. Sec.
>      Queen Elizabeth Sr. Sec.
>      Lord Tweedsmuir Sr. Sec. (now an elementary school last I
> checked)
>
>      Late in my Grade 11 year, my dad remarried and we moved.  We
> lived about 2 1/2 blocks from Latimer Road Elementary.  My stepsister
> attended it.

Cool.  We moved from Burnaby out to the country when I was halfway
through grade 4, and lived on Fraser Highway just on the Surrey
side of the Langley border.  After Latimer Road I went to Cloverdale
Jr. Sec. (it's still there but is something else now), and then to
Tweedie for high school, graduating in 1968.

ObComputing: At the age of 15, while visiting an uncle, I saw a
big binder in his study labeled UNIVAC.  I took it down and started
reading about how to wire plugboards for the 1004, one of which was
in his office.  He took me in and I had a chance to play with it.
And the rest, as they say, is history.

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#157441

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
Message-ID<8338ab59fis25hn8uffr266k5h8tqabp1b@4ax.com>
In reply to#157383
On 23 Jan 2016 05:06:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2016-01-23, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:

[snip]

>>      Late in my Grade 11 year, my dad remarried and we moved.  We
>> lived about 2 1/2 blocks from Latimer Road Elementary.  My stepsister
>> attended it.
>
>Cool.  We moved from Burnaby out to the country when I was halfway
>through grade 4, and lived on Fraser Highway just on the Surrey
>side of the Langley border.  After Latimer Road I went to Cloverdale

     What address?  I lived at 6257 192 St. (since torn down from the
looks of Google Map).  It was 1 1/2 blocks south of Fraser Hwy and
four blocks into Surrey.

>Jr. Sec. (it's still there but is something else now), and then to
>Tweedie for high school, graduating in 1968.

     I graduated from Tweedie in 1978.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

     


>
>ObComputing: At the age of 15, while visiting an uncle, I saw a
>big binder in his study labeled UNIVAC.  I took it down and started
>reading about how to wire plugboards for the 1004, one of which was
>in his office.  He took me in and I had a chance to play with it.
>And the rest, as they say, is history.

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#157568

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Message-ID<n840fj49cs@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#157441
On 2016-01-23, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:

> On 23 Jan 2016 05:06:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2016-01-23, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>      Late in my Grade 11 year, my dad remarried and we moved.  We
>>> lived about 2 1/2 blocks from Latimer Road Elementary.  My stepsister
>>> attended it.
>>
>> Cool.  We moved from Burnaby out to the country when I was halfway
>> through grade 4, and lived on Fraser Highway just on the Surrey
>> side of the Langley border.  After Latimer Road I went to Cloverdale
>
>      What address?

19530 Fraser Hwy.  It's a condo complex now; for us it was a 4.6-acre farm.

> I lived at 6257 192 St. (since torn down from the looks of Google Map).
> It was 1 1/2 blocks south of Fraser Hwy and four blocks into Surrey.

Ah, right across from the Duckworth estate.

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#156889

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
Message-ID<3a44ed41-74f2-4311-864e-78a9926e7a86@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#156873
On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive,
> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story.  Mine was
> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they
> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary
> schools built they later were all single-story.
> 
> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of
> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.
> 
> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and
> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after
> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is
> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.

Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million people. 
When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a city of about 
500,000.

Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories.

Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of the 
country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver, let alone 
New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post.

John Savard

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#156891

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
Message-ID<dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#156889
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> 
>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive,
>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story.  Mine was
>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they
>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary
>> schools built they later were all single-story.
>> 
>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of
>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.
>> 
>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and
>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after
>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is
>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.
> 
> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million
> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a
> city of about 500,000.
> 
> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories.
> 
> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of
> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver,
> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post.

Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe 
four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was 
four floors.



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#156892

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
Message-ID<jgnumc-gr5.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#156891
In article <dg3ng0FtpcfU2@mid.individual.net>,
Bob Eager  <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:20:45 -0800, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 6:08:27 PM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> 
>>> That may have been common in NYC, where land is incredibly expensive,
>>> but in most of the US, elementary schools are single-story.  Mine was
>>> actually two stories, but that was an experiment by the district; they
>>> apparently didn't like the result because the dozen-plus elementary
>>> schools built they later were all single-story.
>>> 
>>> In contrast, most middle and high schools are two stories, and some of
>>> the latter are three, but I've never seen more than that.
>>> 
>>> Some parts of schools don't lend themselves to stacking, e.g. gyms and
>>> theaters, so the cost:benefit ratio of going vertical turns bad after
>>> the classrooms are stacked once or maybe twice--especially if land is
>>> relatively cheap, as it is in most of the US.
>> 
>> Edmonton, Alberta is a Canadian city, currently of about one million
>> people. When I originally came there and attended school there, it was a
>> city of about 500,000.
>> 
>> Every school I remember attending there had at least two stories.
>> 
>> Since land in Edmonton, while expensive compared to depressed parts of
>> the country, say, Halifax, is nowhere near as expensive as in Vancouver,
>> let alone New York City, this makes me surprised to read your post.
>
>Here in the UK (less land!) my primary school was three floors (maybe 
>four in places because it was on a steep hill). My secondary school was 
>four floors.

We (.no) have multi-floor schools as the norm; usually 3 or 4. They often
take sub-optimal lots; often built in hills and with not so great a view.
The public pays for the education, not for the view.

My primary school was a new build in 1964; fancy architecture and single
floor layout, except it got two floors on around half the area because it
was built in a hill.

It takes up a good bit if land, and this has led to the municipality 
abandoning this design.

-- mrr

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