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| Started by | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| First post | 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000 |
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Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 18:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 16:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 13:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-01-13 17:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:11 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-13 16:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:23 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-13 17:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 08:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:11 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-01-14 08:27 -0700
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-14 14:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-16 16:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:38 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 14:00 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-15 11:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-16 08:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:15 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 15:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:51 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-16 22:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:03 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:24 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:31 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:50 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 17:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:36 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:20 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-20 10:11 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:35 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:35 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:45 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:40 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 10:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 19:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 11:22 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-22 20:00 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-22 14:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 09:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 11:27 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:14 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 14:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:38 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-21 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:47 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:52 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 17:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-23 18:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:25 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 16:54 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 10:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-24 11:21 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 20:23 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:33 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 04:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 07:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:54 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 20:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 13:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 17:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 07:19 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 19:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:19 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:09 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-25 14:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:22 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 09:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 19:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 19:46 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 20:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-27 08:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 16:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 14:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:10 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 23:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 00:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:02 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 18:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-17 08:18 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:21 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:45 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:51 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-20 17:13 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:11 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:40 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-21 14:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 11:10 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:35 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:41 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-21 20:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:02 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:42 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 13:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-22 21:09 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 16:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 00:07 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:06 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 15:47 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:11 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:15 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 07:03 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:34 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:59 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 10:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:16 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 11:41 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:07 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 04:53 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:16 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:46 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 15:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:29 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:22 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:46 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 10:33 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 12:01 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:23 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:37 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:34 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:34 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:54 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:09 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:52 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:50 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 19:26 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 10:32 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:41 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:34 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 05:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:29 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:20 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 08:53 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:22 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-18 09:58 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:38 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 11:42 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-18 20:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 07:45 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 04:18 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-18 18:51 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:41 -0400
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-18 23:58 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 07:36 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 14:27 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 14:38 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-19 13:57 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 16:46 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 17:50 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 21:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:53 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-19 22:14 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:26 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 19:27 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 08:59 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 17:54 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:01 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:49 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 11:01 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:19 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:30 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:32 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 19:06 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:40 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:55 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 15:57 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 13:05 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 21:59 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-16 22:57 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:17 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:27 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-01-19 23:24 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 09:10 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 08:15 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 06:42 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-17 15:40 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-17 23:24 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:36 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-19 20:47 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-19 16:28 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 08:18 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 15:08 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:15 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-18 17:44 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 19:08 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:07 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 09:56 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-16 16:30 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:13 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:36 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-19 13:37 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 14:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2016-01-21 17:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 12:18 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:35 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-22 13:55 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 10:42 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 06:04 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-16 11:39 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 07:23 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:09 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:41 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-14 11:02 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 11:56 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:57 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 16:08 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:41 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-01-15 15:43 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:06 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 07:04 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +1100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:43 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-15 15:52 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) - 2016-01-14 16:00 -0900
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:05 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:04 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 21:17 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 07:57 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 19:53 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-15 15:01 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 17:53 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 21:17 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 18:08 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-13 21:25 -0500
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 07:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 18:46 +0100
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-14 10:43 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-24 20:00 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-14 00:31 -0800
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-17 03:30 -0600
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-14 01:35 +0000
Re: Shout out to Grace Hopper (State of the Union) mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-14 14:02 +0000
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-21 09:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a4cdf772-02a5-4c5b-9618-5be49b5c75b4@googlegroups.com> |
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On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 6:45:16 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote: > In other words you know of no example in which anybody in either city > was effectively protected by something resembliing an elementary school > desk. There is quite a body of literature on the impact of Hiroshima, the 9/11 Pentagon attack, as well as others. There was also reserach into nuclear bomb effects. One cause of casualties is flying glass and objects. A kid under his school desk is at less risk from being impaled by broken glass or beaned by a textbook. > Your going on about "shelters" is irrelevant--the issued is the "duck > and cover" drills that involved hiding under an elementary school > student desk. If the drills have involved going into a fortified bunker > they would have seemed much less ridiculous, but there was no such > bunker available in most schools. Many schools had basements and they were used for shelter.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-21 18:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.310b35055987785b989e74@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #157291 |
In article <a4cdf772-02a5-4c5b-9618-5be49b5c75b4@googlegroups.com>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says... > > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 6:45:16 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote: > > > In other words you know of no example in which anybody in either city > > was effectively protected by something resembliing an elementary school > > desk. > > There is quite a body of literature on the impact of Hiroshima, > the 9/11 Pentagon attack, as well as others. > > There was also reserach into nuclear bomb effects. > > One cause of casualties is flying glass and objects. A kid under > his school desk is at less risk from being impaled by broken glass > or beaned by a textbook. If it is actually a desk and not a chair with a particle board postage stamp attached. > > Your going on about "shelters" is irrelevant--the issued is the "duck > > and cover" drills that involved hiding under an elementary school > > student desk. If the drills have involved going into a fortified bunker > > they would have seemed much less ridiculous, but there was no such > > bunker available in most schools. > > Many schools had basements and they were used for shelter. None of them that I attended had basements. Basements seem to be a northern thing.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 06:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.310546cf35595849989e15@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156793 |
In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, steveo@eircom.net says... > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 > "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... > > > In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > > > says... > > >> > > >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... > > >> > In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > > >> > says... > > >> >> > > >> >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >> >> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... > > >> >> > In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > > >> >> > says... > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message > > >> >> >> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... > > >> >> >> > On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT > > >> >> >> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> We had almost as many atom bomb drills > > >> >> >> >> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend > > >> >> >> > over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse > > >> >> >> > goodbye". > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? > > >> >> > > >> >> We didn't have any here. > > >> >> > > >> >> > I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. > > >> >> > > >> >> He's not right with the about what made sense. > > >> >> > > >> >> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be > > >> >> exposed to flash burns. > > >> > > > >> > That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read > > >> > the same book you did. > > >> > > > >> >> Plenty survived Hiroshima > > >> >> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to > > >> >> flash burns purely by luck because of where they > > >> >> were when the bomb went off. > > >> > > > >> > So? > > >> > > >> So some of what they were told to do like get under their > > >> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. > > > > > > ROF,L. > > > > > > Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were supposed > > > to hide under. > > > > I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. > > > > Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given > > > about as much protection. > > > > Nope. > > You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure > they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one of a > very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that would > not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving in a > country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of uninhabitable > radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The fictional > depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably > optimistic. Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 12:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160117121457.1addbe503d68764fdaac1b68@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #156802 |
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 06:36:40 -0500 "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > steveo@eircom.net says... > > > > You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. > > Sure they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which > > one of a very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then > > that would not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been > > surviving in a country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas > > of uninhabitable radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend > > with. The fictional depictions of this scenario always struck me as > > being unreasonably optimistic. > > Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, > what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. Oh it will probably save your eyes if a bomb went off sufficiently far away, which is probably all the folks on the outskirts of Hiroshima or Nagasaki would need. There's an old story in the Go playing world about the 1945 Honinbo tournament which was played outside one of those two (ICBA to look up which) at just the wrong time. After the building stopped shaking the players replaced the stones on the board an carried on playing, it wasn't until some hours later they discovered that the nearby city was no longer there. Of course by the 1960s the bombs were a lot more powerful, there were a *lot* more of them and nobody was talking about dropping just one or two. I was probably about ten when I decided the best place to be if the bombs dropped was ground zero. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 11:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3105903e6fd13c88989e1d@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156811 |
In article <20160117121457.1addbe503d68764fdaac1b68@eircom.net>, steveo@eircom.net says... > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 06:36:40 -0500 > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > > steveo@eircom.net says... > > > > > > You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. > > > Sure they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which > > > one of a very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then > > > that would not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been > > > surviving in a country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas > > > of uninhabitable radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend > > > with. The fictional depictions of this scenario always struck me as > > > being unreasonably optimistic. > > > > Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, > > what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > > Oh it will probably save your eyes if a bomb went off sufficiently > far away, which is probably all the folks on the outskirts of Hiroshima or > Nagasaki would need. And if by some miracle the postage stamp was actually between your eyes and the flash. > There's an old story in the Go playing world about > the 1945 Honinbo tournament which was played outside one of those two (ICBA > to look up which) at just the wrong time. After the building stopped > shaking the players replaced the stones on the board an carried on playing, > it wasn't until some hours later they discovered that the nearby city was > no longer there. > > Of course by the 1960s the bombs were a lot more powerful, there > were a *lot* more of them and nobody was talking about dropping just one or > two. I was probably about ten when I decided the best place to be if the > bombs dropped was ground zero.
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 04:57 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg24n9FqvulU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156811 |
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message news:20160117121457.1addbe503d68764fdaac1b68@eircom.net... > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 06:36:40 -0500 > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >> steveo@eircom.net says... >> > >> > You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. >> > Sure they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which >> > one of a very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then >> > that would not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been >> > surviving in a country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas >> > of uninhabitable radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend >> > with. The fictional depictions of this scenario always struck me as >> > being unreasonably optimistic. >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > > Oh it will probably save your eyes if a bomb went off sufficiently > far away, which is probably all the folks on the outskirts of Hiroshima or > Nagasaki would need. It wasn't just those on the outskirts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that survived and both were a lot more lightly constructed than US schools. > There's an old story in the Go playing world about > the 1945 Honinbo tournament which was played outside one of those two > (ICBA > to look up which) at just the wrong time. After the building stopped > shaking the players replaced the stones on the board an carried on > playing, > it wasn't until some hours later they discovered that the nearby city was > no longer there. > > Of course by the 1960s the bombs were a lot more powerful, Yes, but the duck and cover campaign started in the very early 50s when Russia had very few nukes at all and very little delivery capability to the US. > there were a *lot* more of them and nobody was talking about dropping just > one or > two. I was probably about ten when I decided the best place to be if the > bombs dropped was ground zero. Many who survived Hiroshima and Nagasaki disagree.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 23:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1601172317020.26926@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #156811 |
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 06:36:40 -0500 > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >> steveo@eircom.net says... >>> >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. >>> Sure they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which >>> one of a very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then >>> that would not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been >>> surviving in a country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas >>> of uninhabitable radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend >>> with. The fictional depictions of this scenario always struck me as >>> being unreasonably optimistic. >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > > Oh it will probably save your eyes if a bomb went off sufficiently > far away, which is probably all the folks on the outskirts of Hiroshima or > Nagasaki would need. There's an old story in the Go playing world about > the 1945 Honinbo tournament which was played outside one of those two (ICBA > to look up which) at just the wrong time. After the building stopped > shaking the players replaced the stones on the board an carried on playing, > it wasn't until some hours later they discovered that the nearby city was > no longer there. > Yes, I think it was more a protection from the ceiling falling in than an atomic blast. It really depended on where you were. Close in, no luck. Further out, maybe radiation problems. Somewhere it would just be falling bricks. If you were close in, nothing would help, but they were trying to limit the damage in ways that were practical. YOu weren't expected to get enough warning to hide in the basement, not if you were at school. So hiding under the desk was better than nothing, especially if it was more that the ceiling would collapse. Michael
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2044291987.474731735.341143.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156802 |
J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > steveo@eircom.net says... >> >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>> says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>> >>>>>> So? >>>>> >>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>> >>>> ROF,L. >>>> >>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were supposed >>>> to hide under. >>> >>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>> >>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>> about as much protection. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one of a >> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that would >> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving in a >> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of uninhabitable >> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The fictional >> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >> optimistic. > > Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, > what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > > The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely in the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado drills, although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. -- Pete
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #156821 |
Peter Flass wrote: > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >> steveo@eircom.net says... >>> >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>> says... >>>>>> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read >>>>>>> the same book you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So? >>>>>> >>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >>>>> >>>>> ROF,L. >>>>> >>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were supposed >>>>> to hide under. >>>> >>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >>>> >>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >>>>> about as much protection. >>>> >>>> Nope. >>> >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one of a >>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that would >>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving in a >>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of uninhabitable >>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The fictional >>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >>> optimistic. >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >> >> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >> > > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely in > the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado drills, > although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. We also had tornado drills and fire drills. Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and had ink pots. /BAH
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 12:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31059344c3f4c454989e22@news.eternal-september.org> |
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In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com says... > > Peter Flass wrote: > > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > >> steveo@eircom.net says... > >>> > >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 > >>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>> says... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >>>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... > >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT > >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills > >>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend > >>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse > >>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be > >>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have read > >>>>>>> the same book you did. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima > >>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to > >>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they > >>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their > >>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. > >>>>> > >>>>> ROF,L. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were supposed > >>>>> to hide under. > >>>> > >>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. > >>>> > >>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given > >>>>> about as much protection. > >>>> > >>>> Nope. > >>> > >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure > >>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one of a > >>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that would > >>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been surviving in > a > >>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of uninhabitable > >>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The fictional > >>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably > >>> optimistic. > >> > >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us anyway, > >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > >> > >> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. > >> > > > > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely in > > the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado drills, > > although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. > > We also had tornado drills and fire drills. > > Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and > had ink pots. I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The public schools went for the cheapest things they could find.
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 05:24 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg24nfFqvulU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156841 |
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.31059344c3f4c454989e22@news.eternal-september.org... > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> >> Peter Flass wrote: >> > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >> >> steveo@eircom.net says... >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >> >>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >> >>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >> >>>>> says... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >> >>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com >> >>>>>>> says... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >> >>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >> >>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >> >>>>>>>>> says... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >> >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >> >>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend >> >>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >> >>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >> >>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have >> >>>>>>> read >> >>>>>>> the same book you did. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >> >>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >> >>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >> >>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >> >>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ROF,L. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >> >>>>> supposed >> >>>>> to hide under. >> >>>> >> >>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >> >>>> >> >>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >> >>>>> about as much protection. >> >>>> >> >>>> Nope. >> >>> >> >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure >> >>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one >> >>> of a >> >>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >> >>> would >> >>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been >> >>> surviving in >> a >> >>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >> >>> uninhabitable >> >>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >> >>> fictional >> >>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >> >>> optimistic. >> >> >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >> >> anyway, >> >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >> >> >> >> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >> >> >> > >> > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely >> > in >> > the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >> > drills, >> > although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >> >> We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >> >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >> had ink pots. > > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. > The public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. She isnt a Roman Catholic.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 18:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3105ea39c5557af8989e23@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156855 |
In article <dg24nfFqvulU11@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com says... > > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.31059344c3f4c454989e22@news.eternal-september.org... > > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > > says... > >> > >> Peter Flass wrote: > >> > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, > >> >> steveo@eircom.net says... > >> >>> > >> >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 > >> >>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... > >> >>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >> >>>>> says... > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... > >> >>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > >> >>>>>>> says... > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... > >> >>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, > >> >>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com > >> >>>>>>>>> says... > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT > >> >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, "Bend > >> >>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse > >> >>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be > >> >>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have > >> >>>>>>> read > >> >>>>>>> the same book you did. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima > >> >>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to > >> >>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they > >> >>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> So? > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their > >> >>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ROF,L. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were > >> >>>>> supposed > >> >>>>> to hide under. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given > >> >>>>> about as much protection. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Nope. > >> >>> > >> >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. Sure > >> >>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which one > >> >>> of a > >> >>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that > >> >>> would > >> >>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been > >> >>> surviving in > >> a > >> >>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of > >> >>> uninhabitable > >> >>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The > >> >>> fictional > >> >>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably > >> >>> optimistic. > >> >> > >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us > >> >> anyway, > >> >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. > >> >> > >> >> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. > >> >> > >> > > >> > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly unlikely > >> > in > >> > the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado > >> > drills, > >> > although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. > >> > >> We also had tornado drills and fire drills. > >> > >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and > >> had ink pots. > > > > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. > > The public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. > > She isnt a Roman Catholic. It is clear that you are convinced that you know far more about what it was like to live in the '50s and '60s than those who lived through those eras. In other words you are clearly delusional, which makes you mentally ill, and I'm not wasting further time on you. Or to put it another way, I knew Jack, Jack was a friend of mine, and you, sir, are no Jack. Or to put it in terms that even you might comprehend, <plonk>
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| From | "879" <879@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 10:35 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg2mpcF1448U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156866 |
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.3105ea39c5557af8989e23@news.eternal-september.org... > In article <dg24nfFqvulU11@mid.individual.net>, jkl8976@nospam.com > says... >> >> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.31059344c3f4c454989e22@news.eternal-september.org... >> > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> > says... >> >> >> >> Peter Flass wrote: >> >> > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> In article <20160117071953.1458d78111ce4e224bbd597d@eircom.net>, >> >> >> steveo@eircom.net says... >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:40:40 +1100 >> >> >>> "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>> news:MPG.3104f349b20cfca7989e13@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >>>>> In article <dg0m06FfarhU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >> >> >>>>> says... >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>> news:MPG.3104e38d45519862989e10@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >>>>>>> In article <dg0e81Fdm1hU1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >> >> >>>>>>> says... >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>> news:MPG.3104b3913ac9cd18989e0e@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >>>>>>>>> In article <dg001bFagh2U1@mid.individual.net>, >> >> >>>>>>>>> jkl8976@nospam.com >> >> >>>>>>>>> says... >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:20160116205742.241d8d9555de0488b9f27635@eircom.net... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2016 14:09:15 GMT >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had almost as many atom bomb drills >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> as fire drills in grade school during the 50s. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The only one of those I heard of that made sense was, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Bend >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> over, tuck your head between your knees and kiss your arse >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> goodbye". >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was more complicated than that in Hiroshima and >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Nagasaki. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Are you old enough to remember those drills personally? >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> We didn't have any here. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I am and Ahem's got the right of it--they were risible. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> He's not right with the about what made sense. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> It did make sense to get where you wouldn't be >> >> >>>>>>>> exposed to flash burns. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> That's nice. Perhaps the designers of the drills should have >> >> >>>>>>> read >> >> >>>>>>> the same book you did. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Plenty survived Hiroshima >> >> >>>>>>>> and Nagasaki because they weren't exposed to >> >> >>>>>>>> flash burns purely by luck because of where they >> >> >>>>>>>> were when the bomb went off. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> So? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> So some of what they were told to do like get under their >> >> >>>>>> desks did make sense and is better than doing nothing. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ROF,L. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Jack, you have clearly not seen one of the desks that we were >> >> >>>>> supposed >> >> >>>>> to hide under. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I have actually, there is plenty of video around on that. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Holding a notebook over hour heads would have given >> >> >>>>> about as much protection. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Nope. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> You're both missing the real reason they were a waste of time. >> >> >>> Sure >> >> >>> they may help you if you are on the outskirts of a city in which >> >> >>> one >> >> >>> of a >> >> >>> very few bombs went off, but if MAD had ever broken down then that >> >> >>> would >> >> >>> not have been the scenario. The real problem would have been >> >> >>> surviving in >> >> a >> >> >>> country with no functioning infrastructure, large areas of >> >> >>> uninhabitable >> >> >>> radioactive waste and water borne fallout to contend with. The >> >> >>> fictional >> >> >>> depictions of this scenario always struck me as being unreasonably >> >> >>> optimistic. >> >> >> >> >> >> Since the particle board postage stamp isn't going to protect us >> >> >> anyway, >> >> >> what happens after the bomb kills us isn't an issue. >> >> >> >> >> >> The schools didn't have anything resembling a shelter. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > The desk would protect against falling debris, which is fairly >> >> > unlikely >> >> > in >> >> > the case. OTOH, I believe schools might still do this for tornado >> >> > drills, >> >> > although they now seem to favor moving to an inside corrodor. >> >> >> >> We also had tornado drills and fire drills. >> >> >> >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >> >> had ink pots. >> > >> > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. >> > The public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >> >> She isnt a Roman Catholic. > > It is clear that you are convinced that you know far more about what it > was like to live in the '50s and '60s than those who lived through those > eras. In other words you are clearly delusional, which makes you > mentally ill, and I'm not wasting further time on you. > > Or to put it another way, I knew Jack, Jack was a friend of mine, and > you, sir, are no Jack. > > Or to put it in terms that even you might comprehend, > > <plonk> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 12:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005299B009901D8@aca40084.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #156841 |
J. Clarke wrote: > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> <snip> >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >> had ink pots. > > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The > public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high school which was a new school. That design was useless since a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government gave up edicting bomb drills. These days, kids have terrorism drills. /BAH
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 08:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3106b862e29a4fdd989e2a@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156895 |
In article <PM0005299B009901D8@aca40084.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com says... > > J. Clarke wrote: > > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > > says... > >> > > <snip> > > >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and > >> had ink pots. > > > > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The > > public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. > > The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was > "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high > school which was a new school. That design was useless since > a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. > But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government > gave up edicting bomb drills. > > These days, kids have terrorism drills. In which they are no doubt made to hide behind the same particle-board postage stamps, because, after all, if they will stop an atom bomb they shouldn't have any problem with a mere bullet.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 13:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000529AFBB7E84BF@aca20219.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #156898 |
J. Clarke wrote: > In article <PM0005299B009901D8@aca40084.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> >> J. Clarke wrote: >> > In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> > says... >> >> >> >> <snip> >> >> >> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >> >> had ink pots. >> > >> > I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >> > public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >> >> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >> gave up edicting bomb drills. >> >> These days, kids have terrorism drills. > > In which they are no doubt made to hide behind the same particle-board > postage stamps, because, after all, if they will stop an atom bomb they > shouldn't have any problem with a mere bullet. > No, the reports I heard actually give the kids something to do if an attack occurs. /BAH
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 16:32 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156895 |
On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > J. Clarke wrote: >> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> says... >>> > > <snip> > >>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>> had ink pots. >> >> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. > > The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was > "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high > school which was a new school. That design was useless since > a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. > But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government > gave up edicting bomb drills. > > These days, kids have terrorism drills. On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep people (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to manipulate.
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-19 11:41 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dg5f19Fmm58U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156932 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me... > On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >> J. Clarke wrote: >>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>> says... >>>> >> >> <snip> >> >>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood and >>>> had ink pots. >>> >>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >> >> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >> gave up edicting bomb drills. >> >> These days, kids have terrorism drills. > > On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something happens we > can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep people (kids, but > more their parents) frightened, they're easy to manipulate. There isnt any evidence of their parents being manipulated by those drills.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 19:56 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n7k4vc$jt1$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 1/18/2016 6:41 PM, jack wrote: > > > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > news:n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me... >> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, >>>> See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood >>>>> and >>>>> had ink pots. >>>> >>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The >>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. >>> >>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was >>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high >>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since >>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. >>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government >>> gave up edicting bomb drills. >>> >>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. >> >> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something >> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep >> people (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to >> manipulate. > > There isnt any evidence of their parents being manipulated by those > drills. We are swamped by references to the terrorist "threat" (never mind that your chances of getting hurt falling down stairs are far more likely, they ignore my pleas to ban stairs). Colored alerts, signs flashing "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING", metal detectors, special ID to board aircraft (and secret lists of names to prevent boarding aircraft), NSA sweeps of our (and your) phone data, photographing (the outside, at least) of your mail, security personnel confronting people taking pictures, police driving armored vehicles. Terrorist drills in schools are just one tiny part. At the lower levels (say, school administrator) they're fearful, they're impacted by the same things that the rest of us are. It's not those drills by themselves, they're part of a larger constellation. Fear of "the other" is a technique for manipulating populations that's thousands of year old, probably back to the week after men figured out how to communicate with each other. If you don't think some of those driving it are doing so intentionally, Rod, you have a far more generous and trusting view of the ethics of politicians and policemen than I do.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-18 21:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3107659082567706989e3c@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156946 |
In article <n7k4vc$jt1$1@dont-email.me>, dave.garland@wizinfo.com says... > > On 1/18/2016 6:41 PM, jack wrote: > > > > > > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > > news:n7jp1q$rrj$2@dont-email.me... > >> On 1/18/2016 6:33 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > >>> J. Clarke wrote: > >>>> In article <PM00052988FE6A32A8@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com>, > >>>> See.above@aol.com > >>>> says... > >>>>> > >>> > >>> <snip> > >>> > >>>>> Our desks were extremely sturdy. They were made of iron and wood > >>>>> and > >>>>> had ink pots. > >>>> > >>>> I remember those from my brief experience with Catholic school. The > >>>> public schools went for the cheapest things they could find. > >>> > >>> The desks in my grade school were probably 50 years old so that was > >>> "cheapest" :-). The ones you've been describing were in my high > >>> school which was a new school. That design was useless since > >>> a kid also had to use his/her lap and the floor as a desk. > >>> But those didn't show up in my area until well after the US government > >>> gave up edicting bomb drills. > >>> > >>> These days, kids have terrorism drills. > >> > >> On the one hand, "well, it may not do any good but if something > >> happens we can't be blamed", on the other hand, if you can keep > >> people (kids, but more their parents) frightened, they're easy to > >> manipulate. > > > > There isnt any evidence of their parents being manipulated by those > > drills. > > We are swamped by references to the terrorist "threat" (never mind > that your chances of getting hurt falling down stairs are far more > likely, they ignore my pleas to ban stairs). Colored alerts, signs > flashing "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING", metal detectors, > special ID to board aircraft (and secret lists of names to prevent > boarding aircraft), NSA sweeps of our (and your) phone data, > photographing (the outside, at least) of your mail, security personnel > confronting people taking pictures, police driving armored vehicles. > Terrorist drills in schools are just one tiny part. At the lower > levels (say, school administrator) they're fearful, they're impacted > by the same things that the rest of us are. > > It's not those drills by themselves, they're part of a larger > constellation. > > Fear of "the other" is a technique for manipulating populations that's > thousands of year old, probably back to the week after men figured out > how to communicate with each other. If you don't think some of those > driving it are doing so intentionally, Rod, you have a far more > generous and trusting view of the ethics of politicians and policemen > than I do. When I was in middle school there was a required course, "Americanism vs Communism". I never expected that the government would use the description of Communism provided in the text for that course as an idea book. I'm glad I took the course, even though it was blatant propaganda. It makes what the government is up to these days absolutely chilling. I'm kind of glad I'm approaching geezerhood and won't likely be around when it all comes to fruition, but I pity the kids. Still, I know people who grew up in the Soviet Union or its satellites and in China and they tell me that it was (or in the case of China is) not nearly as unpleasant as it is made out to be, mostly because it was what they were used to.
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