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I Feel Old

Started byQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
First post2016-01-01 10:49 -0800
Last post2016-01-03 17:11 +0000
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  I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 10:49 -0800
    Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-01 13:33 -0600
      Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 12:05 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-02 04:41 -0400
          Re: I Feel Old "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2016-01-02 11:50 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 17:14 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:36 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-03 08:07 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 15:06 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 11:05 -0500
                    Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:59 +0000
                    Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 18:08 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:44 -0500
                    Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:24 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-03 09:45 -0600
                  Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:12 -0700
                    Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 16:56 -0500
                      Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 14:27 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-03 23:53 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-04 07:42 -0600
                  Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 14:32 +0000
                    Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 16:55 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 11:41 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:37 +0100
              Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:11 -0700
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:48 -0800
                  Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 16:01 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 16:23 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-03 17:30 -0400
        Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-04 14:55 -0600
          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:15 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:59 -0600
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:31 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0600
          Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 17:07 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-01-06 19:21 -0600
    Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-01 21:33 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-01 22:52 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 15:57 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-01 20:52 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-02 00:45 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 06:40 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:25 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 08:18 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:34 -0800
          Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-02 14:27 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:28 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-02 19:56 -0600
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
                  Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-03 10:00 -0800
                    Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-17 08:48 -0800
                  Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:44 -0800
                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:42 -0600
                      Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:15 -0800
                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 11:27 -0600
                          Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 12:02 -0600
                            Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 18:52 +0000
                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 18:06 -0600
                              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:22 -0800
                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 15:55 -0600
                              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:36 -0800
                                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:47 +0000
                                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:47 -0600
                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 19:23 -0600
                                  Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:58 +0100
                                    Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
                                      Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 15:53 +0100
                                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 11:26 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:53 +1100
                                            Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:24 +0100
                                              Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:06 +1100
                                        Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-08 10:13 -0800
                                      Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:42 +0000
                                        Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                                          Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 07:07 -0600
                                            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
                                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:40 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:13 +1100
                                            Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-09 13:36 -0600
                                              Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-09 15:30 -0600
                                    Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-08 10:43 -0500
                                      Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:33 -0600
                                        Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:46 -0800
                                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:59 -0600
                                      Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:44 -0800
                                        Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 22:53 +0000
                                          Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 12:53 +1100
                                            Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:29 +0100
                                          Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:26 +0100
                                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:22 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 10:03 +1100
                                          Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-12 21:01 -0600
                                            Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 14:22 +1100
                                          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 10:14 -0800
                                            Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-13 18:51 +0000
                                              Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 07:02 +1100
                                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 13:06 -0600
                                      Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:51 +1100
                                    Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:01 +1100
                                    Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-08 13:21 -0600
                                      Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-08 20:58 +0000
                                        Re: I Feel Old "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-08 20:36 -0800
                                          Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:31 +0100
                                          Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:33 -0600
                                        Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                                          Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-09 12:59 +0000
                                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:31 -0600
                                              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 17:22 -0500
                                                Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-09 17:07 -0800
                                              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-10 11:25 -0800
                                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0600
                                                  Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:43 -0800
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 08:44 -0800
                                                      Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 09:52 -0800
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 12:28 -0600
                                                          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 10:58 -0800
                                                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:49 -0600
                                                              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 13:57 -0800
                                                                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:19 -0500
                                                                Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 17:37 -0800
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 18:46 -0800
                                  Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
                                    Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:38 -0600
                                      Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 21:43 -0600
                                        Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 22:56 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 23:49 -0600
                                            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:46 -0800
                                            Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
                                              Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:58 -0600
                                                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 14:01 -0800
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:42 -0600
                                                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 22:07 +0000
                                  Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:36 -0800
                                    Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:04 -0500
                                      Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 14:48 +0000
                                        Re: I Feel Old Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-11 17:28 +0000
                                        Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:01 -0500
                                    Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
                                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0600
                              Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:13 -0600
                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:55 -0600
                                  Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:40 +0000
                                    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 23:20 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:29 -0800
                  Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:30 +0100
                    Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 10:59 -0800
                      Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 19:48 -0600
                        Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:27 -0800
                          Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:26 +0000
                          Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:27 -0600
                            Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:08 -0800
                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:14 -0600
                      Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 14:43 -0600
                        Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:38 +0000
                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 17:47 -0600
                          Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-13 01:27 +0100
                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 11:18 -0600
                              Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-13 19:05 -0600
                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 20:22 -0600
                                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-14 14:09 -0600
                                    Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
                                      Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 09:48 -0600
                                        Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0100
                                          Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:19 -0600
                                      Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 09:20 -0800
                                      Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:44 +0000
                                        Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 12:57 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:42 -0800
                                            Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:27 -0600
                                        Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:15 +0100
                                          Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:44 -0600
                                            Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-15 15:02 -0600
                                              Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-16 08:58 +1100
                                              Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 23:51 +0100
                                                Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 16:01 -0600
                                              Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 17:11 -0600
                                              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 08:03 -0500
                                                Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 08:29 -0600
                                                  Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:38 +1100
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:59 -0600
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:45 -0600
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 02:11 +0000
                                                      Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 14:02 +1100
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:22 +0000
                                                          Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:09 +1100
                                                          Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:00 -0600
                                                            Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-18 03:59 +0000
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:15 +0100
                                                    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:39 +0000
                                                      Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:41 +1100
                                                Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 16:33 +0000
                                                  Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 11:19 -0600
                                                    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 18:36 +0000
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:23 -0500
                                                  Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 13:01 -0500
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:55 +0000
                                                      Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:53 -0800
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 05:43 +0000
                                                      Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:50 -0500
                                                      Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:33 +0000
                                                          Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:19 +0000
                                                            Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 +0000
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:00 +0000
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
                                                    Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 22:49 -0600
                                                      Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:12 +1100
                                                    Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:32 +0000
                                                      Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:06 +0000
                                                        Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
                                                          Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 10:05 -0500
                                                      Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
                                                        Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:14 +1100
                                                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:38 -0600
                                          Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
                                            Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 15:19 +0100
                                        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +0000
                                          Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 14:25 -0800
                                Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 13:46 +1100
                                Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 05:17 +0100
                                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-14 13:11 -0600
                      Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
                        Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-05 04:44 -0400
                          Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
                        Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 11:06 +0000
                          Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 17:04 -0600
                  Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0800
        Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-02 15:01 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 15:58 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:40 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:31 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:06 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 07:09 +1100
        Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 12:11 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 20:42 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:43 +1100
            Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 22:05 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:21 +0100
            Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:47 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:10 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:26 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:57 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:46 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:36 +0000
                Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-07 13:43 -0600
                  Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:35 +1100
                    Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-08 00:15 -0600
                      Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 19:41 +1100
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 12:44 -0800
                  Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-07 21:32 +0000
        Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:51 -0600
          Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 12:59 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
              Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:35 -0600
          Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
            Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
              Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-05 17:31 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:38 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:50 -0500
                    Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:26 +0000
                      Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 05:49 -0800
                        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:32 +0000
                          Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 07:13 -0800
                            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 16:08 +0000
                            Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:39 -0600
                          Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-06 09:14 -0600
                          Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:22 -0500
                          Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 17:45 -0600
                        Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:42 -0500
                      Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000
                        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:34 +0000
                          Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 19:52 +0000
                            Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 12:35 -0800
                            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 20:54 +0000
                        Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:44 -0500
                          Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 23:48 +0000
                            Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:38 -0500
                              Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-07 07:46 +0000
                                Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 06:44 -0500
                                  Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 21:47 -0800
                                    Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 05:45 -0500
                                  Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-10 12:18 +0000
                                    Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 08:12 -0500
                                      Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-10 13:40 +0000
                              Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                            Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 08:15 +0000
                  Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 05:48 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:29 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:20 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:52 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                  Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:34 -0500
                    Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:40 -0500
                  Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:39 -0500
                Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:22 -0800
                Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-15 17:43 -0600
                  Re: I Feel Old JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:13 -0600
            Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:26 -0500
            Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-08 14:37 -0600
              Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 23:25 +0000
      Re: I Feel Old Freddy1 <something@something.com> - 2016-01-02 21:35 -0500
        Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-03 05:34 +0000
        Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 08:33 +0000
          Re: I Feel Old Freddy1 <something@something.com> - 2016-01-03 15:17 -0500
          Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:52 -0800
            Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 05:09 -0800
              Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:57 -0600
    Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-01 20:46 -0800
      Re: I Feel Old Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-01-02 07:00 +0000
        Re: I Feel Old Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2016-01-02 01:44 -0700
        Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 13:46 -0800
      Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-02 09:11 -0800
    Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-02 11:49 -0600
    Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-03 08:14 -0600
      Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-03 17:11 +0000

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#155734 — I Feel Old

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-01 10:49 -0800
SubjectI Feel Old
Message-ID<9dcde262-7129-4a8f-b034-105b67d61cf5@googlegroups.com>
I was looking up the specs for the processor in an old cheap gaming laptop that I 
currently use...

an i7 740QM.

It has six megabytes of L3 cache, plus an additional megabyte of L2 cache.

I can remember the days, not long ago, when people were excited about being able 
to attach a 5 megabyte

*hard disk*

to their computers.

We have come a long way.

John Savard

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#155737

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2016-01-01 13:33 -0600
Message-ID<n66k52$3rh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155734
"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
news:9dcde262-7129-4a8f-b034-105b67d61cf5@googlegroups.com...
>I was looking up the specs for the processor in an old cheap gaming laptop 
>that I
> currently use...
>
> an i7 740QM.
>
> It has six megabytes of L3 cache, plus an additional megabyte of L2 cache.
>
> I can remember the days, not long ago, when people were excited about 
> being able
> to attach a 5 megabyte
>
> *hard disk*
>
> to their computers.
>
> We have come a long way.
>

Quadiblock, you are *not* old... you are *ancient*!!!  You were raised in 
the "Stone Age" of computers.

Errr.... and so was I!!!

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#155738

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-01 12:05 -0800
Message-ID<bf5c8aeb-eca2-4905-836c-635f9a0ec1a3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#155737
On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 12:33:22 PM UTC-7, Charles Richmond wrote:
> "Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
> news:9dcde262-7129-4a8f-b034-105b67d61cf5@googlegroups.com...
> >I was looking up the specs for the processor in an old cheap gaming laptop 
> >that I
> > currently use...
> >
> > an i7 740QM.
> >
> > It has six megabytes of L3 cache, plus an additional megabyte of L2 cache.
> >
> > I can remember the days, not long ago, when people were excited about 
> > being able
> > to attach a 5 megabyte
> >
> > *hard disk*
> >
> > to their computers.
> >
> > We have come a long way.

> Quadiblock, you are *not* old... you are *ancient*!!!  You were raised in 
> the "Stone Age" of computers.

> Errr.... and so was I!!!

Of course, when I was born, computers were even less advanced. That was the era 
when the IBM 704, with convenient *core* memory - and *hardware floating-point* 
- was hot stuff!

And it was hot stuff. People think the 5 volt 60/66 MHz Pentium used a lot of 
power. Well, that wasn't a patch on what the IBM 704 used, being made from 
vacuum tubes and all.

When I went to high school, in grade 11, the school got the loan of a computer, and so I had my first chance to program one. In what I think was CINET BASIC, on a PDP 8/e.

Two years later, in an introductory programming course, I punched my own cards to use WATFIV under MTS on an IBM 360/67. In the last week of the course, we also got a taste of APL/360. Later, I had some occasion as a grad student to do work in FORTRAN IV (G) on their shiny new Amdahl 470 V6.

So, yes, I suppose my computer experience is "ancient".

John Savard

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#155763

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2016-01-02 04:41 -0400
Message-ID<878u48bcgt.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#155738
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> When I went to high school, in grade 11, the school got the loan of
> a compu ter, and so I had my first chance to program one. In what I
> think was CINET BASIC, on a PDP 8/e.

When I went to jr. high school, grade 7, we were taken to Boston to
see *the* computer at Harvard. Looked into a large room through
window-walls at what, IIRC (but I may not), were racks and racks of
vacuum tubes.  We all got our names punched out on paper tape by "the
computer".

> Two years later, in an introductory programming course, I punched my
> own cards to use WATFIV under MTS on an IBM 360/67.

Ten years later I punched my own cards in some version or other of
Fortran for an IBM 1620.

> So, yes, I suppose my computer experience is "ancient".

So I feel old, too.  Wait, I *am* old.  Ho hum.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#155771

From"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-02 11:50 -0500
Message-ID<n68v8001ld7@news6.newsguy.com>
In reply to#155763
"Mike Spencer" <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

>> When I went to high school, in grade 11, the school got the loan of
>> a compu ter, and so I had my first chance to program one. In what I
>> think was CINET BASIC, on a PDP 8/e.

> When I went to jr. high school, grade 7, we were taken to Boston to
> see *the* computer at Harvard. Looked into a large room through
> window-walls at what, IIRC (but I may not), were racks and racks of
> vacuum tubes.  We all got our names punched out on paper tape by "the
> computer".

>> Two years later, in an introductory programming course, I punched my
>> own cards to use WATFIV under MTS on an IBM 360/67.

> Ten years later I punched my own cards in some version or other of
> Fortran for an IBM 1620.

Welcome to the club.  I doubt that I'm the most ancient participant here in 
a.f.c but I'm probably close; I ran my first program on a real computer (and 
doing my own card punching) was in 1962.  There were once a good number of 
the *real* old-timers here (such as John Varela, who worked on the design of 
SAGE and could speak authoratively about the FAA's 9020) but it seems that 
most of them have disappeared over the years.

Every fall I teach a one-day session for students in the calculus, CS, and 
statistics AP classes at a Washington (DC) high school.  The subtitle for 
the presentation is "A Random Walk Through a Box of Artifacts."  One of my 
greatest challenges is convincing the kids that a piece of dead tree that 
holds at most only 80 characters of data was once the standard unit of 
storage for the data processing industry.

I also have some fun with them, talking about the amount of storage in their 
cellphones, then casually asking if anybody in the class has had to dial a 
telephone number manually in the past couple of weeks.  There's usually at 
least one student who will bite, at which point I hold out a quarter and bet 
that he's wrong...and then I haul out of my transport box an old AECo dial 
telephone, noting that (almost) *nobody* acutally *DIALS* a number today.

Joe 

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#155773

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-02 17:14 +0000
Message-ID<20160102171441.72fd9af53afedacf0222dffc@eircom.net>
In reply to#155771
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:50:20 -0500
"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> wrote:

> Every fall I teach a one-day session for students in the calculus, CS,
> and statistics AP classes at a Washington (DC) high school.  The subtitle
> for the presentation is "A Random Walk Through a Box of Artifacts."  One
> of my greatest challenges is convincing the kids that a piece of dead
> tree that holds at most only 80 characters of data was once the standard
> unit of storage for the data processing industry.

	If you have any shards from a card punch it would be interesting to
see how many it takes to match the weight or volume of a 128GB micro SD
card - less than ten I think.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#155791

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-02 17:36 -0800
Message-ID<9b05632b-f817-48df-a0ad-4e5aa5b925cf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#155771
On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 11:50:57 AM UTC-5, Joe Morris wrote:
> I also have some fun with them, talking about the amount of storage in their 
> cellphones, then casually asking if anybody in the class has had to dial a 
> telephone number manually in the past couple of weeks.  There's usually at 
> least one student who will bite, at which point I hold out a quarter and bet 
> that he's wrong...and then I haul out of my transport box an old AECo dial 
> telephone, noting that (almost) *nobody* acutally *DIALS* a number today.

I still use a real rotary dial phone at times.

But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.

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#155810

FromJohn Garza <john@127.0.0.1>
Date2016-01-03 08:07 -0600
Message-ID<nW9iy.44919$IX3.36356@fx36.iad>
In reply to#155791
On 01/02/2016 07:36 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
> sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
> interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
> so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
> declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
> sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.
>
>

Yep.

They got rid of our old phones at HP.
Now we use Skype video conferencing.

-J

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#155814

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-03 15:06 +0000
Message-ID<20160103150639.ab17fb75aee64830eea1ae5e@eircom.net>
In reply to#155810
On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> Now we use Skype video conferencing.


	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do then,
places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from their LANs.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#155820

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-03 11:05 -0500
Message-ID<1305816252.473529301.348088.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#155814
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
> John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
>> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
>> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
> 
> 
> 	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do then,
> places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from their LANs.
> 

Doesn't micro$oft now own Skype?  That alone is enough reason to ban it.

-- 
Pete

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#155827

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2016-01-03 17:59 +0000
Message-ID<det5ssFdqv4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#155820
On 2016-01-03, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
>> John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> 
>>> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
>>> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>> 
>> 
>> 	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do then,
>> places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from their LANs.
>> 
>
> Doesn't micro$oft now own Skype? 

Yes.

-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 3rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#155835

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-03 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<20160103180858.9fed6787f1b11fc7cb67f6eb@eircom.net>
In reply to#155820
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:05:03 -0500
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
> > John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > 
> >> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> >> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
> > 
> > 
> > 	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do
> > then, places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from
> > their LANs.
> > 
> 
> Doesn't micro$oft now own Skype?  That alone is enough reason to ban it.

	Yes and yes.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#155870

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-04 06:44 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30f42511d2ffd73a989d8a@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#155814
In article <20160103150639.ab17fb75aee64830eea1ae5e@eircom.net>, 
steveo@eircom.net says...
> 
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
> John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> 
> > They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> > Now we use Skype video conferencing.
> 
> 
> 	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do then,
> places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from their LANs.

I'm pretty sure our management cares about security given that half of 
one floor of a large building is dedicated to it.  It has a lot of stuff 
locked out including private Skype, but it has Lync, which is corporate 
Skype, enabled.  It's not tied into the phone system though--it's 
supposed to be according to the training that we have been provided but 
it doesn't actually work.

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#155871

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-04 12:24 +0000
Message-ID<20160104122422.d96f67292edb49b11ef15839@eircom.net>
In reply to#155870
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 06:44:04 -0500
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <20160103150639.ab17fb75aee64830eea1ae5e@eircom.net>, 
> steveo@eircom.net says...
> > 
> > On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:07:15 -0600
> > John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > 
> > > They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> > > Now we use Skype video conferencing.
> > 
> > 
> > 	They have *far* more trust in what Skype is up to than I do
> > then, places with a proper regard for security tend to ban Skype from
> > their LANs.
> 
> I'm pretty sure our management cares about security given that half of 
> one floor of a large building is dedicated to it.  It has a lot of stuff 
> locked out including private Skype, but it has Lync, which is corporate 
> Skype, enabled.

	Yeah my CPOE has Lync, but I'm pretty sure it's confined to the
internal network. The network admins really don't like letting encrypted
traffic out unless they can MITM and monitor it.

-- 
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C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#155817

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-01-03 09:45 -0600
Message-ID<n6bfig$q9v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155810
On 1/3/2016 8:07 AM, John Garza wrote:
> On 01/02/2016 07:36 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
>> sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
>> interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
>> so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
>> declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
>> sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.
>>
>>
>
> Yep.
>
> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>

No secrets from Microsoft, eh?

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#155839

FromLon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
Date2016-01-03 13:12 -0700
Message-ID<5aednfwDy8I0HRTLnZ2dnUVZ5oQAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#155817
On 1/3/2016 8:45, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/3/2016 8:07 AM, John Garza wrote:
>> On 01/02/2016 07:36 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
>>> sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
>>> interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
>>> so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
>>> declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
>>> sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
>> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>>
>
> No secrets from Microsoft, eh?
>
The difference between Windows 10 and Malware/Spyware, is that most 
other malware/spyware is at least entertaining, far less intrusive, and 
much less sneaky.

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#155842

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-03 16:56 -0500
Message-ID<n6c59d$emp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155839
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> writes:

> On 1/3/2016 8:45, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 1/3/2016 8:07 AM, John Garza wrote:
>>> On 01/02/2016 07:36 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
>>>> sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
>>>> interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
>>>> so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
>>>> declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
>>>> sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
>>> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>>>
>>
>> No secrets from Microsoft, eh?
>>
> The difference between Windows 10 and Malware/Spyware, is that most
> other malware/spyware is at least entertaining, far less intrusive,
> and much less sneaky.

We're still on W7 but I think corporations will get a different W10
than the one foisted on the public.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#155844

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-01-03 14:27 -0800
Message-ID<c883ed3a-f00a-4d9c-9283-6c76f97cc6ae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#155842
On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 2:56:29 PM UTC-7, D_J_E wrote:

> We're still on W7 but I think corporations will get a different W10
> than the one foisted on the public.

The Enterprise edition of Windows 10 indeed allows some control over updates, unlike the consumer one.

John Savard

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#155848

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-01-03 23:53 +0000
Message-ID<56KdnaL75sYaKRTLnZ2dnUU78XudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#155810
On 03/01/2016 14:07, John Garza wrote:
{snip}

>
> Yep.
>
> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>
> -J

HP may wish to consider writing its own replacement for Skype. Although 
make sure they can interwork.

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#155874

FromJohn Garza <john@127.0.0.1>
Date2016-01-04 07:42 -0600
Message-ID<cFuiy.76787$Xk5.35843@fx17.iad>
In reply to#155810
On 01/03/2016 08:07 AM, John Garza wrote:
> On 01/02/2016 07:36 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> But I wonder how long the teleco will support pulse dialing.  In one
>> sense it will be around since sending a 'flash' is a hookswitch
>> interruption and the telco gear must still detect such an interrupt,
>> so the same gear can detect dial pulses.  However, I wonder if they'll
>> declare all analog phones obsolete and require us to use VOIP or some
>> sort of converter to feed VOIP for the few remaining POTS users.
>>
>>
>
> Yep.
>
> They got rid of our old phones at HP.
> Now we use Skype video conferencing.
>
> -J

Yes, Skype is now owned by Microsoft.

But remember HP is a 'Microsoft Partner' and their machines use Windows.
The majority of our support calls are OS related, too.

HP is very much 'in bed' with Uncle Bill.

You start talking Linux there and you can see the fear in their eyes.

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