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| Started by | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| First post | 2015-12-07 10:48 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500 |
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1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 10:48 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-07 23:49 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 22:38 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-12-08 17:57 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 10:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:18 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-08 16:58 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 23:10 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-09 07:15 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 12:02 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-12-09 01:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-09 11:18 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-09 08:47 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:17 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 16:53 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-09 17:22 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-12-09 17:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 18:21 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-10 04:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 14:06 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 12:20 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 19:32 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 21:53 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 23:03 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 22:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:17 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-09 20:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 11:04 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-09 16:06 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:36 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-10 07:53 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-10 16:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 19:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:58 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 01:04 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:18 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:21 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-09 17:47 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 22:17 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:20 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-11 08:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-10 01:41 -0400
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:44 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:51 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-10 16:45 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:26 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-11 14:29 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:31 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 08:11 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-12 16:58 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-12 11:32 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 10:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 16:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 17:12 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 20:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 06:13 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:58 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:16 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:16 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:51 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:20 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 06:48 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:17 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:29 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:51 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 19:04 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:30 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:24 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:30 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 05:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:19 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:22 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:38 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:35 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-06 07:49 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:26 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:36 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:00 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:44 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-07 23:56 -0400
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 07:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:32 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 20:42 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 11:03 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:14 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:48 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:50 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-07 10:49 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 12:51 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:40 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:56 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 19:01 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 09:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:12 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:38 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:35 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 02:00 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-09 11:48 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 20:45 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 05:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:37 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 14:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:46 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 12:17 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-05 12:50 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:02 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-06 15:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 10:53 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:58 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:03 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:44 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:14 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:56 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:22 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:19 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:42 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 10:45 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:29 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:39 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:18 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:28 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 20:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:30 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:16 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:57 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 15:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 16:14 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 19:59 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:28 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 09:56 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:25 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:06 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:24 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-06 15:04 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:22 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:29 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:10 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:29 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 19:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:12 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:28 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:00 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:10 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:49 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:51 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:36 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 13:24 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 13:52 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 16:22 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:51 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:31 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:44 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:13 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:16 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 15:59 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-06 09:09 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:09 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 09:49 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 18:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:47 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 11:01 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:30 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:06 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:46 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:44 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:49 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:48 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 06:21 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:21 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:05 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:15 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 05:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:57 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:42 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:01 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:05 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-07 03:42 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 07:45 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 08:30 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:55 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 17:01 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:52 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-11 12:34 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 10:22 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 16:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 23:01 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:14 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:57 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:14 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 12:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:39 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 14:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:32 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-07 11:33 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 06:11 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:28 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:30 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:57 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:12 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:59 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:58 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 18:04 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:59 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:45 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 08:05 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:38 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 16:09 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 18:10 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 11:21 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 20:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:24 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:44 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:21 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:32 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 15:03 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:34 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 16:53 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 18:12 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:35 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:43 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 16:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 17:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 07:02 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 09:17 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:42 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:53 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 21:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-08 21:25 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 08:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <763fa0a8-d9cc-4381-a070-d2411d25b0f4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #156193 |
On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 3:00:03 AM UTC-5, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > How about the proposal that there exist people who do require > support in order to live. You yourself may become one on short notice > should you become afflicted with some condition that prevents you from > working such as chronic fatigue syndrome, or any number of progressive > degenerative conditions. Is it your contention that under such > circumstances you should be left to die in unsupported misery ? That was discovered during the Depression. A work project would attract thousands of applicants. But many hired were unable to do arduous physical labor. Some were too weak from malnourishment, and thus trapped in a viscious circle. They were too weak to work to get money for food, and without food they weren't able to work. Others were former white collar workers who weren't used to hard physical labor. When WW II came along, initially, a lot of draftees were rejected as being in poor physical condition, thanks to being raised on poor nutrition from the Depression.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 09:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87egdtp94i.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #156203 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > That was discovered during the Depression. A work project would > attract thousands of applicants. But many hired were unable to > do arduous physical labor. Some were too weak from malnourishment, > and thus trapped in a viscious circle. They were too weak to work > to get money for food, and without food they weren't able to work. > Others were former white collar workers who weren't used to > hard physical labor. > > When WW II came along, initially, a lot of draftees were rejected > as being in poor physical condition, thanks to being raised on > poor nutrition from the Depression. there are sporadic current reports about lead in detroit water and the disastrous effects on the children extending for the rest of their life ... as well as officials at many levels originally denigrating the person that initially reported the problem -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 17:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1036072201.473896726.486896.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156216 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: >> That was discovered during the Depression. A work project would >> attract thousands of applicants. But many hired were unable to >> do arduous physical labor. Some were too weak from malnourishment, >> and thus trapped in a viscious circle. They were too weak to work >> to get money for food, and without food they weren't able to work. >> Others were former white collar workers who weren't used to >> hard physical labor. >> >> When WW II came along, initially, a lot of draftees were rejected >> as being in poor physical condition, thanks to being raised on >> poor nutrition from the Depression. > > there are sporadic current reports about lead in detroit water and the > disastrous effects on the children extending for the rest of their life > ... as well as officials at many levels originally denigrating the > person that initially reported the problem > From what I see on teevee the pols actively covered up the problem, and it could be a real disaster for the kids who were drinking the stuff. (Flint, not Detroit) So far I haven't heard about anyone being indicted, which should be happening by now. -- Pete
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 09:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87io35p99o.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #156193 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: > If you truly believe that life is better without a criminal gang > running things for the benefit of it's population then move to Somalia and > see how well you can live. how 'bout criminal organizations running things for their own benefit. first occurance of "too big to prosecute" and "too big to jail" being applied to "too big to fail" ... was when they were found to be money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists ... and just got their hands slaped and asked to please stop doing it (but they didn't). The claim is that the money laundering is directly responsible (providing them with enormous amounts of cash) for them having loads of military-grade weapons, violance and murders on both sides of the mexican/us boarder, etc http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#money.laundering of course the "too big to fail" criminal activity isn't limited to "money laundering" ... but includes massive activities manipulating LIBOR, FOREX, commodity markets, the triple-A ratings used for securitized mortgages/loans, robo-signing mills, facilitating enormous amonts of tax evasion, etc http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#libor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo then you can wander into the military-industrial complex http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military-induxtrial-complex drumming up excuses for continuous armed military conflicts as a way of keep funds flowing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war recent conflicts last decades where in part justified on the claim that it would only cost $50B ... current estimates that it will hit $5T-$6T ... when long-term veterans benefits and medical care is taken into account. One of the issues now is that MICC is lobbying to significantly cut veterans medical care because it may impact (new) funds that would flow into their pockets. When director of CIA won't agree to "Team B" Soviet analysis justifying huge increase in military spending, he is replaced by somebody that would (who later becomes VP and then President) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B Rumsfeld white house chief of staff (74-75), after replacing CIA director, he becomes SECDEF (75-77), and replaced by one of his staffers, Dick Cheney. He is again SECDEF 2001-2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld When Rumsfeld was white house chief of staff 74-75, Cheney was on his staff. Cheney then becomes white house chief of staff when Rumsfeld becomes SECDEF. Cheney is then SECDEF from 89-93 and VP 2001-2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney another "Team B" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz He is a leading neoconservative.[4] As Deputy Secretary of Defense, he was "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and ... its most hawkish advocate."[5] In fact, "the Bush Doctrine was largely [his] handiwork. ... snip ... Team B was also involved in supplying Saddam with weapons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War including WMDs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war series from fall 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html Reached recently, Mr. Duelfer agreed that the weapons were still a menace, but said the report strove to make it clear that they were not "a secret cache of weapons of mass destruction." "What I was trying to convey is that these were not militarily significant because they not used as W.M.D.," he said. "It wasn't that they weren't dangerous." ... and ... The publicly released information also skirted the fact that most of the chemical artillery shells were traceable to the West, some tied to the United States. These shells, which the American military calls M110s, had been developed decades ago in the United States. Roughly two feet long and weighing more than 90 pounds, each is an aerodynamic steel vessel with a burster tube in its center ... snip ... part of the issue is by destroying the government ... any responsible control over these decommissioned weapons was lost (as well as more recent consequences) The reporter "not military significant" quote was by: "The group, led by Charles A. Duelfer, a former United Nations official working for the Central Intelligence Agency," one of the documents referenced by Oct2014 article (dated 1996) "Iraq's Disclosed of Chemical Weapons Findings to U.N." http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/iraqs-disclosure-of-chemical-weapons-findings-to-un.html last decade, cousin of white house chief of staff Card ... was dealing with the Iraqis at the UN and was given evidence that WMDs had been decommissioned. She wrote a book about then getting locked up in Texas military hospital when she tried to take it public. EXTREME PREJUDICE-- The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq http://www.amazon.com/EXTREME-PREJUDICE-Terrifying-Story-Patriot-ebook/dp/B004HYHBK2/ also last decade there was massive upswing in out-sourcing gov. functions to for-profit, private contractors (enabling them to loot massive amounts overseas) How Private Contractors Have Created a Shadow NSA; A new cybersecurity elite moves between government and private practice, taking state secrets with them (also references oil rig company that was transformed into one of the largest defense contractors after former SECDEF and future VP becomes CEO, including no-bid contracts in Iraq) http://www.thenation.com/article/how-private-contractors-have-created-shadow-nsa/ above includes references to some of the events around the spreading "success of failure" culture (make more money off series of failures) http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/ (note sometimes clicking govexec serves up a blank page and you have to repeat the click) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#success.of.failure and when the secretary of treasury helps the CEO of CITI to get the ball rolling to repeal Glass-Steagall and then resigns to join CITI, he is replaced by one of his protegees ... who also shows up here ... is Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin?: John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to scandal and disgrace. http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html Russian Military Politics and Russia's 2010 Defense Doctrine http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1050 -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 12:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n70ov2$f01$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156179 |
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes: > On 2016-01-06, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> But, you may be right. I was just trying to uncover any >> reasoning and not make any enemies. > > The bottom line is that I categorically reject the welfare state and the > the idea put forth by "progressives" that the individual is a helpless > child that requires the intervention of the criminal gang calling itself > "government" in order to survive. As far as "democratic" governments are > concerned - elected gangsters are still gangsters. (If you do not believe > that governments are criminal organizations I can only suggest you open a > history book and see for yourself the level of theft, extortion, slavery, > coercion, torture, and murder practiced by *all* governments. The evidence > is clear and irrefutable.) Of course there is plenty of evidence. The prime example being the Facist governments started in the 30s. I don't suppose you think that Facist == progressive. Whether the current free world governments cross the line into armed thugs, appears to be a matter of opinion. I'd never go that far, despite the attempt by the US government to kill me in a war back when I was growing up. We still haven't listened to what Ike was trying to tell us. Others have mentioned the absolute need for some sort of government using the handy example of Somalia. So, given human nature, it's pretty clear we need someone to be armed and in charge. So, ultimately, you equate "the welfare state" with gangsterism. I'm finding that hard to understand, given our current examples of Sweden, Denmark, etc. (high welfare) vs. the US (less welfare). > Do you believe that the unintelligent, unmotivated people that so many > here appear to be concerned about have the right to go out into the > street and start holding up people and stealing from them by force? Do > they have the right to hire someone else to do so by proxy? Of course > not. Well, this is exactly what happens what happens when government > engages in its wealth redistribution schemes. > Watch as politicans beat around the bush and snap when confronted with > a simple question regarding this issue: > > http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/watch-politicians-snap-when-alternative-media-journalist-asks-them-one-short-question.html Sorry, got nothing even interesting about that. > Of course you are free to assist anyone that you care to with your own > resources. However, you have no business hiring a band of armed thugs > to steal from anyone else in order to do so. armed thugs + stealing ≠ enforcing laws passed by elected representatives -- Dan Espen
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 10:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87ziwc3rin.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #156394 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > So, ultimately, you equate "the welfare state" with gangsterism. > I'm finding that hard to understand, given our current examples of > Sweden, Denmark, etc. (high welfare) vs. the US (less welfare). welfare is usually considered gov. handouts ... in the US, they have carefully controlled the definition of equating welfare to what kinds of gov. handouts .... frequent US press is misdirection and obfuscation away from the truely massive gov. handouts. 2001-2008, wallstreet did over $27T in (unsupervised) securitized loans and mortgages ... creating the financial mess last decade ... with lots of collateral damage (trillions disappearing into peoples' pockets). http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo Major enabler was paying for triple-A rating (when both the sellers and rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A) ... which also enabled no-documentation, liar loans. From the law of unintended consequences, later the "too big to fail" have to set up the "robo-signing mills" to fabricate the missing documents. The "too big to fail" are then fined tens of billions in dollars ... funds that were supposed to be administered to aid the victims of these scams ... however very little of the funds make it through the operations setup to administer the fines/aid to the victims. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail Supposedly TARP is setup to help replenish the trillions in funds that "disappear" ... but with only $700B appropriations, it would barely make a dent. For the real bailout they use the Federal Reserve to provide tens of trillions in ZIRP funds ... with the "too big to fail" clearing $300B/year (as well as trillions to buy the off-book toxic assets). A rather modest drop in the corporate welfare bucket was that paying for triple-A rating enabled the industry to no longer care about borrowers' qualifications or loan quality. However, they then found that they could do securitized loans designed to fail, pay for triple-A, sell to (another class of) victims and take out CDS gambling bets that they would fail (creating enormous demand for bad loans/mortgages). AIG was the largest holder of these CDS gambling bets and was negotiating to pay off at 50cents on the dollar ... when the sec. of treasury steps in and forces them to sign a document that they can't sue those making the bets and also pay off at face-value. The largest recipient of TARP funds was AIG (which may have been the whole idea in the first place) and the largest recipient of face-value payoffs is the company previously headed by the sec. of trasury. http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/ GAO in the 90s was asked by congress to look at indirect corporate welfare ... specifically illegal aliens were being paid substandard wages by corporations ... and what it cost the gov. in social welfare programs to make up the difference (GAO then calculated approx. $10K/year/person). The interesting thing as I've been able to find a more recent GAO report updating that data. They whole illegal alien issue has had a lot of obfuscation with all the corporate lobbying on the issue. old posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#81 illegal aliens http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#61 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011l.html#70 Zakaria: Only China can save Europe http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#7 Mandated Spending -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 16:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n6hfog$cl2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155986 |
On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > People who are intelligent and motivated rarely > stay poor for very long. Half the population is below average.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8oiqc.28h.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #156024 |
On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > >> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >> stay poor for very long. > > Half the population is below average. This is an old one, say height, 1000000 people are 5'9'' 1 is 6' How many are below average.? -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 17:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <87mvsjpqkj.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> |
| In reply to | #156029 |
mausg@mail.com writes: > This is an old one, say height, > 1000000 people are 5'9'' > 1 is 6' > How many are below average.? Best summed up as: Not all distributions are normal. --NK1G
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6hl8a016al@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #156031 |
On 2016-01-05, Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: > mausg@mail.com writes: > >> This is an old one, say height, >> 1000000 people are 5'9'' >> 1 is 6' >> How many are below average.? > > Best summed up as: Not all distributions are normal. And that, boys and girls, is why we distinguish between mean and median. (And why a favourite way to lie with statistics is to use the wrong one. Remember, the average human being has one breast and one testicle.) -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <738499896.473732569.414011.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156029 |
<mausg@mail.com> wrote: > On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >> >>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>> stay poor for very long. >> >> Half the population is below average. > > This is an old one, say height, > 1000000 people are 5'9'' > 1 is 6' > How many are below average.? > > Mean, median, or mode? -- Pete
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 07:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160106075703.e42c83759b34166d3ea1ddb2@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #156044 |
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:24:28 -0500 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > <mausg@mail.com> wrote: > > On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > >> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > >> > >>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely > >>> stay poor for very long. > >> > >> Half the population is below average. > > > > This is an old one, say height, > > 1000000 people are 5'9'' > > 1 is 6' > > How many are below average.? > > > > > > Mean, median, or mode? In a large population intelligence at least is normally distributed so all three are the same. Not so sure about motivation, but I think the central limit theorem likely applies to it as well. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 11:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8pto8.170.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #156044 |
On 2016-01-06, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: ><mausg@mail.com> wrote: >> On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >>> >>>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>>> stay poor for very long. >>> >>> Half the population is below average. >> >> This is an old one, say height, >> 1000000 people are 5'9'' >> 1 is 6' >> How many are below average.? >> >> > > Mean, median, or mode? > The poster just said `average' `I love statistics, they can mean almost anything' (I Forget who wrte that) I Think there was a book back in the 50s called "How to lie with statistics", there was one recently, "Statistics done Wrong" -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <898426534.473773957.131840.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #156064 |
<mausg@mail.com> wrote: > On 2016-01-06, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >>> On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >>>> >>>>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>>>> stay poor for very long. >>>> >>>> Half the population is below average. >>> >>> This is an old one, say height, >>> 1000000 people are 5'9'' >>> 1 is 6' >>> How many are below average.? >>> >>> >> >> Mean, median, or mode? >> > > The poster just said `average' > > `I love statistics, they can mean almost anything' (I Forget who wrte that) > > > I Think there was a book back in the 50s called "How to lie with statistics", > there was one recently, "Statistics done Wrong" > On second thought, considering just the mean, they would all be average to within several standard deviations. -- Pete
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8q148.1o0.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #156078 |
On 2016-01-06, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: ><mausg@mail.com> wrote: >> On 2016-01-06, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>>>>> stay poor for very long. >>>>> >>>>> Half the population is below average. >>>> >>>> This is an old one, say height, >>>> 1000000 people are 5'9'' >>>> 1 is 6' >>>> How many are below average.? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Mean, median, or mode? >>> >> >> The poster just said `average' >> >> `I love statistics, they can mean almost anything' (I Forget who wrte that) >> >> >> I Think there was a book back in the 50s called "How to lie with statistics", >> there was one recently, "Statistics done Wrong" >> > > On second thought, considering just the mean, they would all be average to > within several standard deviations. > I know that, you know that, but the average citizen thinks that average simply means (total/number) I also read that the average height of men in france decreased in the period 1789-1815 by a significent amount. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 11:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160106114627.916bae38c4c4201534fbdfd8@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #156064 |
On 6 Jan 2016 11:14:20 GMT mausg@mail.com wrote: > The poster just said `average' If you assume a normal distribution (correct for anything with large numbers of independent factors) then that's fine. > `I love statistics, they can mean almost anything' (I Forget who wrte > that) "There are lies, damned lies and statistics" - I also forget the origin of the quote. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 11:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n6jfrl$fr9$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156029 |
mausg@mail.com writes: > On 2016-01-05, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >> >>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>> stay poor for very long. >> >> Half the population is below average. > > This is an old one, say height, > 1000000 people are 5'9'' > 1 is 6' > How many are below average.? All but one. Not the way normal distributions work though. -- Dan Espen
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Do9jy.64810$IX3.27188@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #156024 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes: >On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > >> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >> stay poor for very long. > >Half the population is below average. Technically, half the population is below the median :-)
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-06 14:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <TaSdnYr2eKottRDLnZ2dnUU78c2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #156094 |
On 06/01/2016 14:20, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes: >> On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: >> >>> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >>> stay poor for very long. >> >> Half the population is below average. > > Technically, half the population is below the median :-) > I suspect that should be half the population is *at or* below the median.
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| From | "879" <879@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-07 15:32 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <df682bFo98oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156024 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n6hfog$cl2$1@dont-email.me... > On 1/5/2016 12:50 PM, Roger Blake wrote: > >> People who are intelligent and motivated rarely >> stay poor for very long. > > Half the population is below average. But you don’t have to be intelligent to get a job.
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