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1970--protesters seize computer center

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First post2015-12-07 10:48 -0800
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  1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 10:48 -0800
    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-07 23:49 -0500
      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 22:38 -0800
        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 +0000
        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500
          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-12-08 17:57 +0000
            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 10:16 -0800
            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:18 -0500
              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-08 16:58 -0600
                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 23:10 -0500
                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-09 07:15 +0000
          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:14 -0500
            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 12:02 -0800
              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-12-09 01:07 +0000
                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-09 11:18 +0000
                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-09 08:47 -0600
                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:17 -0600
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 16:53 +0000
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-09 17:22 +0000
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-12-09 17:39 +0000
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 18:21 +0000
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-10 04:56 +0000
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 14:06 -0600
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 12:20 -0800
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 19:32 -0600
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 21:53 -0600
                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:23 -0500
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 23:03 -0500
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 22:56 +0000
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:17 -0800
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-09 20:39 +0000
                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:27 +0000
                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 11:04 -0800
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-09 16:06 -0500
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:36 +0000
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-10 07:53 -0800
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-10 16:27 +0000
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 19:11 +0000
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:58 -0600
                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 01:04 +0000
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:18 -0600
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:16 -0800
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:21 +0100
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-09 17:47 -0500
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 22:17 -0600
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:20 +1100
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-11 08:25 -0600
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-10 01:41 -0400
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:44 +0000
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:51 -0600
                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-10 16:45 -0600
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:26 -0800
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-11 14:29 -0600
                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:31 +0100
                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 08:11 -0500
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-12 16:58 +0000
                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-12 11:32 -0800
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000
                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 10:46 -0500
                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 16:23 +0000
                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 17:12 -0500
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 20:36 -0500
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 06:13 +0000
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:14 -0500
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:58 -0800
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:28 -0500
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:16 -0600
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:16 -0500
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:51 -0600
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:20 -0800
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 06:48 +0000
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:17 -0500
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:29 -0500
                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:51 -0800
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:56 +0000
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 19:04 +0000
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:30 -0800
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:24 -0600
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:30 -0500
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 05:02 +0000
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:19 -0500
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:22 +0000
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:38 -0500
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:19 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:35 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:07 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-06 07:49 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:26 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:36 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:52 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:00 -0600
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:44 +1100
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-07 23:56 -0400
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 07:33 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:32 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 20:42 +1100
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 11:03 +0000
                                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:14 +1100
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:52 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:48 -0800
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:50 -0500
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-07 10:49 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 12:51 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:40 -0600
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:23 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:56 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 19:01 -0600
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 09:40 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:12 -0800
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:38 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0800
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:35 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 02:00 -0800
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:36 -0500
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-09 11:48 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 20:45 -0800
                                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 05:46 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:37 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:16 -0800
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 14:39 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:46 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 12:17 -0800
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:23 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-05 12:50 -0800
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:02 -0800
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-06 15:02 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 10:53 -0800
                                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
                                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:58 -0800
                                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
                                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:03 +1100
                                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:44 +1100
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:14 +1100
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:56 +1100
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:22 +0100
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:19 +1100
                                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:42 +0100
                                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 10:45 +0000
                                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
                                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:29 +1100
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:39 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:18 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:28 -0800
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:14 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 20:02 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:30 +1100
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:16 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:33 +0000
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:57 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 15:20 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 16:14 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 19:59 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:28 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:33 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 09:56 -0800
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:25 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:06 -0600
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:33 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:24 -0800
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:38 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:25 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-06 15:04 -0600
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:22 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:46 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:29 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:33 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:10 -0800
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:29 -0600
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:50 +0000
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 19:11 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:20 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:02 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:12 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:39 +0000
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:28 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:00 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:49 +1100
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:51 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:36 -0800
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 13:24 +1100
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 13:52 -0600
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:54 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 16:22 -0600
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:51 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:31 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:44 +0000
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:50 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:13 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:16 +0000
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
                                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 15:59 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:25 -0600
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:39 +0000
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-06 09:09 -0600
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:09 -0800
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 09:49 -0800
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 18:07 +0000
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:47 -0800
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 11:01 -0800
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:30 +1100
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:06 +1100
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:46 +0100
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:44 +1100
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:49 +0100
                                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:48 +1100
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 06:21 -0800
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:21 +1100
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:05 +1100
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:15 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 05:23 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:57 +1100
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:46 -0500
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:19 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:42 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:01 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:05 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-07 03:42 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 07:45 +0000
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 08:30 -0800
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:55 -0800
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 17:01 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:52 -0800
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-11 12:34 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 10:22 -0800
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 16:25 -0600
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 23:01 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:14 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:57 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:14 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:46 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:39 -0500
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 14:46 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:32 +1100
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-07 11:33 -0600
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 06:11 +1100
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:28 -0600
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:30 +1100
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:57 -0500
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:12 -0600
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:55 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:59 -0800
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:58 -0500
                                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
                                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 18:04 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:55 -0500
                                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:59 +1100
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:45 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 04:09 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 08:05 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:38 +1100
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 16:09 -0500
                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 18:10 +0000
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 11:21 -0800
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 20:38 +0000
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:40 +0000
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:25 -0600
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:24 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:44 -0500
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:21 +0000
                                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:36 -0500
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:32 -0800
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0000
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 15:03 -0600
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:34 -0800
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 16:53 -0500
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 18:12 -0600
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:38 +0000
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:35 -0500
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:23 +0000
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:43 -0500
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:40 +0000
                                              Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 16:09 +0000
                                                Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 17:09 +0000
                                          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 07:02 -0500
                                            Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:30 +0000
                                        Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 09:17 -0500
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
                                  Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:42 -0600
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:53 +0000
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
                                    Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:19 +0000
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:40 +0000
                                      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 21:50 +0000
          Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-08 21:25 +0100
      Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500

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#156057

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-01-06 07:46 +0000
Message-ID<20160106074649.f623b48e9c6e667a93010e90@eircom.net>
In reply to#156039
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:24:25 -0500
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 5 Jan 2016 10:22:33 GMT

> > 	Useful (subsidised if necessasry) public transport would be a
> > big help for this kind of thing. Requiring a pre-sale inspection might
> > reduce the chance of having a wreck dumped on our poor victim.
> > 
> 
> I think cars sold by a dealer have to pass inspection.

	In some places perhaps - here not. It would be good for all sales.

> Who the heck says that public transportation has to be subsidized? 

	Note the 'if necessary' - one form of subsidy used here is school
transport for people who live out of town.

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#156067

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-06 06:29 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30f6c4abd54dc032989da5@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156057
In article <20160106074649.f623b48e9c6e667a93010e90@eircom.net>, 
steveo@eircom.net says...
> 
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:24:25 -0500
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > > On 5 Jan 2016 10:22:33 GMT
> 
> > > 	Useful (subsidised if necessasry) public transport would be a
> > > big help for this kind of thing. Requiring a pre-sale inspection might
> > > reduce the chance of having a wreck dumped on our poor victim.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think cars sold by a dealer have to pass inspection.
> 
> 	In some places perhaps - here not. It would be good for all sales.

Here they have to pass inspection but the inspection is only for 
emissions, this state has no safety inspection.
 
> > Who the heck says that public transportation has to be subsidized? 
> 
> 	Note the 'if necessary' - one form of subsidy used here is school
> transport for people who live out of town.

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#156097

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-06 14:33 +0000
Message-ID<2B9jy.64812$IX3.8599@fx36.iad>
In reply to#156039
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2016 10:22:33 GMT
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <20160105000414@news.eternal-september.org>, 
>>>> rogblake@iname.invalid says...
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> So you deprive them of transportation and now they lose the crummy
>>>>>> job that they do have.  Big help _you_ are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> _You_ are free to help them with your own time, effort, and money.
>>>> 
>>>> So let's see, somebody has a car, the state prevents him from using it, 
>>>> and now it's my responsibility to drive him to work.  You are an
>>>> example of why we have so much poverty in the US--you have somebody
>>>> who's barely hanging on and your solution is to push him over the edge.
>>> 
>>> So, smartarse, what's your solution?
>> 
>> 	Useful (subsidised if necessasry) public transport would be a big
>> help for this kind of thing. Requiring a pre-sale inspection might reduce
>> the chance of having a wreck dumped on our poor victim.
>> 
>
>I think cars sold by a dealer have to pass inspection.

That's clearly up to the state.    In california, all that
is necessary is a recent smog certificate and that only if
the sale is to an in-state buyer.

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#156111

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
Message-ID<1648727182.473786407.437681.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156097
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On 5 Jan 2016 10:22:33 GMT
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <20160105000414@news.eternal-september.org>, 
>>>>> rogblake@iname.invalid says...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> So you deprive them of transportation and now they lose the crummy
>>>>>>> job that they do have.  Big help _you_ are.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _You_ are free to help them with your own time, effort, and money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So let's see, somebody has a car, the state prevents him from using it, 
>>>>> and now it's my responsibility to drive him to work.  You are an
>>>>> example of why we have so much poverty in the US--you have somebody
>>>>> who's barely hanging on and your solution is to push him over the edge.
>>>> 
>>>> So, smartarse, what's your solution?
>>> 
>>> Useful (subsidised if necessasry) public transport would be a big
>>> help for this kind of thing. Requiring a pre-sale inspection might reduce
>>> the chance of having a wreck dumped on our poor victim.
>>> 
>> 
>> I think cars sold by a dealer have to pass inspection.
> 
> That's clearly up to the state.    In california, all that
> is necessary is a recent smog certificate and that only if
> the sale is to an in-state buyer.
> 
> 

In NY they check a number of safety-related things.  I'm not sure what's
included, I know brakes, lights, horn, etc.  I would assume steering and
other things.


-- 
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#156119

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-06 08:10 -0800
Message-ID<6f0c26b1-51f3-4ba9-8ebd-69dd75388fe8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#156039
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 7:24:26 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:

> Who the heck says that public transportation has to be subsidized? 
> Certainly the transit companies are happy to sell this, even to the extent
> of dropping a route if their extortonate demands aren't met.  I can see
> rail, that requires special facilities, but bus lines already receive
> subsidies in terms if free use of public roads.

Until WW II, most public transit (bus and rail) were private companies.
However, after the war, changing demographics, suburban flight, and
other factors made the businesses uneconomical.  Many marginal services
were shut down.  Other services were deemed critical and the eventually
the government got involved to save them.  Originally, key routes
were subsidized, then the govt mostly bought out the private carriers.

Today, very roughly, fares pay about half the direct cost, and all
capital costs have to be subsidized.  (There's a lot of variation).

If anyone cares, I'll dig up the link for SEPTA, which posts a route
by route breakdown, for all modes, of revenue/cost ratios.


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#155977

FromLawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date2016-01-05 12:29 -0600
Message-ID<87h9irribm.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
In reply to#155943
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> In article <20160105000414@news.eternal-september.org>, 
> rogblake@iname.invalid says...
>> 
>> On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > So you deprive them of transportation and now they lose the crummy job 
>> > that they do have.  Big help _you_ are.
>> 
>> _You_ are free to help them with your own time, effort, and money.
>
> So let's see, somebody has a car, the state prevents him from using it, 
> and now it's my responsibility to drive him to work.  You are an example 
> of why we have so much poverty in the US--you have somebody who's barely 
> hanging on and your solution is to push him over the edge.

The problem is -- if I come up with a progressive plan:  "Okay -- let's
have a plan to help low-income workers get a mixture of zero-interest
loans, and grants to help them stay mobile, so they can be productive"
the "hanging from lampost" idiots will scream bloody murder about
Personal Responsibility.

The short answer is:  The Conservative movement just wants all the
undesirables to sit quietly in their slums and die.  

Sixteen years ago, this bothered me enough that I upped stumps and told
the US that it could just go to hell in its own handbasket, but I'm not
interested in being there when it happens.

Since then, two nuclear families of my extended family, and one former
business partner have joined me.  

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#155986

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2016-01-05 18:50 +0000
Message-ID<20160105134231@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#155943
On 2016-01-05, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> So let's see, somebody has a car, the state prevents him from using it, 
> and now it's my responsibility to drive him to work. 

Ah, so you are not willing to help people yourself, you expect someone
else to do it. (Heck, you can't be expected to be your brother's keeper,
right? No flies on you!))

>  You are an example 
> of why we have so much poverty in the US--you have somebody who's barely 
> hanging on and your solution is to push him over the edge.

What a load of crap.  People who are intelligent and motivated rarely
stay poor for very long. There are plenty of ways to make a buck for
someone who is willing to go out and do so.

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#155990

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-05 19:11 +0000
Message-ID<dzUiy.63394$hF6.11026@fx38.iad>
In reply to#155986
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:

>What a load of crap.  People who are intelligent and motivated rarely
>stay poor for very long. There are plenty of ways to make a buck for
>someone who is willing to go out and do so.

Speaking of loads of crap.   Cite please.

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#155993

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2016-01-05 19:20 +0000
Message-ID<20160105141914@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#155990
On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Speaking of loads of crap.   Cite please.

Do I really need to "cite" all the ways that one can make money in the
U.S.? Or for that matter "cite" the people who even became wealthy coming
from poor backgrounds?

Crap, indeed.

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#155997

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-05 20:02 +0000
Message-ID<djViy.28938$Bz5.13160@fx04.iad>
In reply to#155993
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:
>On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Speaking of loads of crap.   Cite please.
>
>Do I really need to "cite" all the ways that one can make money in the
>U.S.? Or for that matter "cite" the people who even became wealthy coming
>from poor backgrounds?
>
>Crap, indeed.

You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back it up with
research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal evidence.

My observations lead me to believe that your statement is disingenous
at best; particularly given that the bulk of new jobs in the
past decade have been entry-level service jobs
with no viable path to 'riches'.

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#155998

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2016-01-05 20:12 +0000
Message-ID<20160105150735@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#155997
On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back it up with
> research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal evidence.

That's like saying if I made the claim that water is wet I would need
to back it up with "research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal
evidence." The fact is that there are many ways to make money for those
who are have the desire to do so. Virtually every small business is
created that way, by someone dissatisified with their existing situation
who takes steps to do something about it.  (I know that mine was.) You
are the one being either disingenous or at the very least extremely dense.

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#156002

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-05 20:39 +0000
Message-ID<wSViy.131547$J03.31669@fx20.iad>
In reply to#155998
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:
>On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back it up with
>> research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal evidence.
>
>That's like saying if I made the claim that water is wet I would need
>to back it up with "research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal
>evidence."

No, it is in no way similar.

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#156011

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2016-01-05 21:28 +0000
Message-ID<20160105162029@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156002
On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> No, it is in no way similar.

Of course it is. You simply do not want to see what is right in front
of you.  As I said, virtually any small business has a story behind it
of an individual who was dissatisfied with his situation rising to
the occasion to do something about it. I did it myself and personally
know many others who have done so. Yes, it used to be easier in the past,
but it is still possible to do so and it is still done every day. Some
even become quite wealthy.

Apparently you wish to believe that the individual is a victim who has no
options other than to shiver in the dark and hope that his betters decide
to tip the statistics in his favor. I don't buy it.

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#156027

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-05 18:00 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30f615299beee3d4989d9d@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#156011
In article <20160105162029@news.eternal-september.org>, 
rogblake@iname.invalid says...
> 
> On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > No, it is in no way similar.
> 
> Of course it is. You simply do not want to see what is right in front
> of you.  As I said, virtually any small business has a story behind it
> of an individual who was dissatisfied with his situation rising to
> the occasion to do something about it. I did it myself

Of course you started flat out busted broke, homeless, without 
transporation, without education, without a pot to piss in.

> and personally
> know many others who have done so. Yes, it used to be easier in the past,
> but it is still possible to do so and it is still done every day. Some
> even become quite wealthy.

And yet you cannot explain how to do it or cite any evidence other than 
your own opinion to support your argument.

If you own a business, you have interviewed prospective employees.  How 
many of those have the wherewithal to do what you claim that you did?
 
> Apparently you wish to believe that the individual is a victim who has no
> options other than to shiver in the dark and hope that his betters decide
> to tip the statistics in his favor. I don't buy it.

So you of course go into the inner city and teach people your surefire 
method to success.

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#156089

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-01-06 14:10 +0000
Message-ID<cf9jy.64805$IX3.54518@fx36.iad>
In reply to#156027
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>In article <20160105162029@news.eternal-september.org>, 
>rogblake@iname.invalid says...
>> 
>> On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> > No, it is in no way similar.
>> 
>> Of course it is. You simply do not want to see what is right in front
>> of you.  As I said, virtually any small business has a story behind it
>> of an individual who was dissatisfied with his situation rising to
>> the occasion to do something about it. I did it myself
>
>Of course you started flat out busted broke, homeless, without 
>transporation, without education, without a pot to piss in.

According to bloomberg, 8 of 10 non-employer small businesses
fail within the first 18 months.   The survival rate (source:
small business adminstration 2014 FAQ) for all small businesses
(defined as 500 or fewer employees): 50 per cent fail within five years.

Roger has been posting his ultra-right-wing screeds to the internet
for years.  There's nothing new here.

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#156188

From"879" <879@nospam.com>
Date2016-01-07 15:49 +1100
Message-ID<df6935FofqaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#156027

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.30f615299beee3d4989d9d@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <20160105162029@news.eternal-september.org>,
> rogblake@iname.invalid says...
>>
>> On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> > No, it is in no way similar.
>>
>> Of course it is. You simply do not want to see what is right in front
>> of you.  As I said, virtually any small business has a story behind it
>> of an individual who was dissatisfied with his situation rising to
>> the occasion to do something about it. I did it myself
>
> Of course you started flat out busted broke, homeless, without
> transporation, without education, without a pot to piss in.

No one is without any education and millions of illegals do fine
without that other stuff.

>> and personally
>> know many others who have done so. Yes, it used to be easier in the past,
>> but it is still possible to do so and it is still done every day. Some
>> even become quite wealthy.
>
> And yet you cannot explain how to do it or cite any evidence other than
> your own opinion to support your argument.
>
> If you own a business, you have interviewed prospective employees.  How
> many of those have the wherewithal to do what you claim that you did?

Irrelevant to the fact that plenty can and do every single day.

>> Apparently you wish to believe that the individual is a victim who has no
>> options other than to shiver in the dark and hope that his betters decide
>> to tip the statistics in his favor. I don't buy it.
>
> So you of course go into the inner city and teach people your surefire
> method to success.

Don't need to, anyone can do that without having to have someone
teach them how to do it, most obviously with the drug dealers. 

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#156018

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-01-05 16:51 -0500
Message-ID<n6hdol$17v$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#155998
Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:

> On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back it up with
>> research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal evidence.
>
> That's like saying if I made the claim that water is wet I would need
> to back it up with "research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal
> evidence."

And, given the definition of wet, and the facts about water, you
could provide some research, statistics, and evidence.

> The fact is that there are many ways to make money for those
> who are have the desire to do so. Virtually every small business is
> created that way, by someone dissatisified with their existing situation
> who takes steps to do something about it.  (I know that mine was.) You
> are the one being either disingenous or at the very least extremely dense.

Uh, you left out intelligent this time.
Now your statement is demonstrably false.

I'll start with anecdote. I know someone who desperately wants to be
rich.  Problem is, each time she has a dollar to spare it goes to some
televangelist who promises the money will be returned in spades.

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#156113

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-01-06 07:36 -0800
Message-ID<24e9f67d-1894-4d7e-81e6-1554672db8fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#156018
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 4:51:50 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote:

> I'll start with anecdote. I know someone who desperately wants to be
> rich.  Problem is, each time she has a dollar to spare it goes to some
> televangelist who promises the money will be returned in spades.

I'll throw out an anecdote.  Someone I knew wanted to be in business
for himself.  He scrimped to save up money to rent a store.  Problem
was that there was a fraud scam in the rental, and he had no store.
When he reported the fraud, there was no one to investigate it since
the budget was cut so much to save on taxes and reduce the size of
evil incompetent big government.

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#156177

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-07 13:24 +1100
Message-ID<df60itFmmruU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#155997

"Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message 
news:djViy.28938$Bz5.13160@fx04.iad...
> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:
>>On 2016-01-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Speaking of loads of crap.   Cite please.
>>
>>Do I really need to "cite" all the ways that one can make money in the
>>U.S.? Or for that matter "cite" the people who even became wealthy coming
>>from poor backgrounds?
>>
>>Crap, indeed.
>
> You made a claim, I expect you to be able to back it up with
> research, statistics, or even personal anecdotal evidence.

More fool you, particularly if I claim that the sun will likely
come up again tomorrow or that Obama is the current Prez.

> My observations lead me to believe that
> your statement is disingenous at best;

Then you need to get out more.

> particularly given that the bulk of new jobs in the
> past decade have been entry-level service jobs

Still are clearly earning a buck.

> with no viable path to 'riches'.

He didn’t say anything about 'riches' 

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#155995

FromLawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date2016-01-05 13:52 -0600
Message-ID<874merreh1.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
In reply to#155990
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> writes:
>
>>What a load of crap.  People who are intelligent and motivated rarely
>>stay poor for very long. There are plenty of ways to make a buck for
>>someone who is willing to go out and do so.
>
> Speaking of loads of crap.   Cite please.

I suspect there was a time when this was true -- when any man with a
strong back (or mind) and a desire to do whatever it took to make ends
meet could at least stave off starvation.

Some statistics that came across my desk the other day about work in the
US:  

17,000,000 the number of willing-to-work people who have either no work,
or are 'seriously underemployed' (making less than 30% of their highest
wage).

 2,900,000 the number of open postings that pay minimum wage.

 2,100,000 the number of open postings that pay more than minimum wage.

Seventeen million workers chasing two million jobs is not a recipe for
pulling oneself up by ones bootstraps.

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