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| Started by | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| First post | 2016-01-01 10:49 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-01-03 17:11 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 320 — 37 participants |
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I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 10:49 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-01 13:33 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 12:05 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-02 04:41 -0400
Re: I Feel Old "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2016-01-02 11:50 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 17:14 +0000
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:36 -0800
Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-03 08:07 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 15:06 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 11:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:59 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 18:08 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:44 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:24 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-03 09:45 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:12 -0700
Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 16:56 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 14:27 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-03 23:53 +0000
Re: I Feel Old John Garza <john@127.0.0.1> - 2016-01-04 07:42 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 14:32 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 16:55 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 11:41 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-03 17:37 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2016-01-03 13:11 -0700
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:48 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 16:01 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 16:23 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-03 17:30 -0400
Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-04 14:55 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:15 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-05 14:59 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:31 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-04 17:07 -0800
Re: I Feel Old philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-01-06 19:21 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-01 21:33 +0000
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-01 22:52 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-01 15:57 -0800
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-01 20:52 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-02 00:45 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 06:40 +0000
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:25 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 08:18 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:34 -0800
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-02 14:27 +0000
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-02 17:28 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-02 19:56 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 07:26 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-03 10:00 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-17 08:48 -0800
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:44 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:42 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:15 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 11:27 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 12:02 -0600
Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 18:52 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-06 18:06 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:22 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 15:55 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 09:36 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 17:47 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:47 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 19:23 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:58 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 15:53 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 11:26 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:53 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:24 +0100
Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:06 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-08 10:13 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:42 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 07:07 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:40 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-10 06:13 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-09 13:36 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-09 15:30 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-08 10:43 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:33 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:46 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-08 10:59 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:44 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 22:53 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 12:53 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:29 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:26 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:22 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 10:03 +1100
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-12 21:01 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-13 14:22 +1100
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-13 10:14 -0800
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-13 18:51 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 07:02 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 13:06 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 09:51 +1100
Re: I Feel Old "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:01 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-08 13:21 -0600
Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-08 20:58 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-08 20:36 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-09 11:31 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:33 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-09 12:59 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 15:31 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 17:22 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-09 17:07 -0800
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-10 11:25 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:43 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 08:44 -0800
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 09:52 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 12:28 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 10:58 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:49 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 13:57 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:19 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 17:37 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-12 18:46 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-09 18:38 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 21:43 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-09 22:56 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-11 23:49 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 07:46 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:28 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 14:58 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-12 14:01 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 16:42 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-12 22:07 +0000
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-08 10:36 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:04 -0500
Re: I Feel Old scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-11 14:48 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-01-11 17:28 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:01 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-09 07:30 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:13 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-07 18:55 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:40 +0000
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 23:20 +0000
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 07:29 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:30 +0100
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 10:59 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 19:48 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:27 -0800
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:26 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:27 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 11:08 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 13:14 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 14:43 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:38 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-12 17:47 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-13 01:27 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 11:18 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-13 19:05 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-13 20:22 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-14 14:09 -0600
Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-15 14:51 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 09:48 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 17:26 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:19 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 09:20 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-15 17:44 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 12:57 -0600
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-19 12:42 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 15:27 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 19:15 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 13:44 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-15 15:02 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-16 08:58 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-15 23:51 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 16:01 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-15 17:11 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 08:03 -0500
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 08:29 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 03:38 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:59 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 16:45 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 02:11 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 14:02 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:22 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 05:09 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:00 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-18 03:59 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:15 +0100
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:39 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-18 04:41 +1100
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 16:33 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-16 11:19 -0600
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-16 18:36 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-16 17:23 -0500
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 13:01 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-16 20:55 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-16 14:53 -0800
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 05:43 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:50 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 14:33 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:19 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-17 19:27 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 15:00 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-16 15:32 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-16 22:49 -0600
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-17 16:12 +1100
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-17 11:32 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-17 12:06 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 09:22 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-17 10:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-17 15:26 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 05:14 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-17 15:38 -0600
Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-16 14:09 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-16 15:19 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-15 19:29 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-15 14:25 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-14 13:46 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-14 05:17 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-14 13:11 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-05 04:44 -0400
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
Re: I Feel Old mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 11:06 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-04 17:04 -0600
Re: I Feel Old Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0800
Re: I Feel Old jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-02 15:01 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-02 15:58 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 06:40 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 12:31 +0000
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:06 -0500
Re: I Feel Old "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 07:09 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 12:11 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 20:42 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-04 16:43 +1100
Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 22:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:21 +0100
Re: I Feel Old Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:47 +0000
Re: I Feel Old Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:10 -0500
Re: I Feel Old hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:26 -0800
Re: I Feel Old "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:57 -0500
Re: I Feel Old Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:46 -0500
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-15 14:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87h9ie4h11.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #156701 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: > That I believe is the 'trust' part of the whole thing, if you're > not going to manage it personally then you have to trust someone to do it. > Trusts have been around for a long time, abuses are rare enough to make > news. wallstreet is somewhat conflicted ... large pension funds make very profitable targets ... like the multi-billion dollar triple-A rated toxic CDOs .. really big scores with either ignorant managers or those that could be bribed http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo .... but the move to 401Ks was also pushed because individuals could be taken advantage of (401Ks sold as under your own control ... but extremely rare that individual beats professional manager) ... including not being able to negotiate better management fees .... move from large pension to individual 401Ks ... significantly increased fees per dollar managed .... possibly different factions on wallstreet looting retirement funds in different ways. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 13:46 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dfogg6FdjueU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #156612 |
"Lawrence Statton" <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote in message news:87pox5nf62.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me... > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: >> >>> There are, in most places, also clear limits to how much of the fund >>> payment that can go to buy the company shares; with limits on the >>> order of 15% or so. >> >> Even that is questionable to me; if your employer goes bankrupt, it's >> bad enough that you lose your income, but also 15% of your pension? >> > > This is a case where a neutral fund manager would be to your > advantage -- if you work for ReallyStableCorp (I would like to think of > an example from today, but I can't) The most obvious example is Microsoft. Not Apple tho, it came within an ace of going bankrupt. > having 15% in your own company might > actually be a perfectly reasonable risk. Yes, it clearly would have been with Microsoft. And plenty who worked for Microsoft ended up millionaires and I doubt to many of those care much about their pension scheme. > Imagine an extreme case thought experiment -- the fund manager has no > idea who the employers of the participants actually is -- they are > nothing more than account numbers. > > If investing in the company that happened to employ you were a good > risk, for John Smith who works at OtherCorp, it should be a good risk > for you, too. The difference is that they wouldn't normally stay invested in that company for the whole of your time employed there or as a pensioner there, particularly if that operation started to look like it was nothing like it once was like with DEC or IBM etc.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 05:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n3kjmc-trf.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #156612 |
In article <87pox5nf62.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>, Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: >Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: >> >>> There are, in most places, also clear limits to how much of the fund >>> payment that can go to buy the company shares; with limits on the >>> order of 15% or so. >> >> Even that is questionable to me; if your employer goes bankrupt, it's >> bad enough that you lose your income, but also 15% of your pension? >> > >This is a case where a neutral fund manager would be to your >advantage -- if you work for ReallyStableCorp (I would like to think of >an example from today, but I can't) having 15% in your own company might >actually be a perfectly reasonable risk. >Imagine an extreme case thought experiment -- the fund manager has no >idea who the employers of the participants actually is -- they are >nothing more than account numbers. This is precisely what happens. The 15% applies to any company. (it varies a bit, some have 10%, some 12% etc; but the general EU rules are 15% max investment in any one company; shares and bonds alike.). >If investing in the company that happened to employ you were a good >risk, for John Smith who works at OtherCorp, it should be a good risk >for you, too. -- mrr
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 13:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n78ro6$986$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #156612 |
On 1/13/2016 7:05 PM, Lawrence Statton wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: >> >>> There are, in most places, also clear limits to how much of the fund >>> payment that can go to buy the company shares; with limits on the >>> order of 15% or so. >> >> Even that is questionable to me; if your employer goes bankrupt, it's >> bad enough that you lose your income, but also 15% of your pension? >> > > This is a case where a neutral fund manager would be to your > advantage -- if you work for ReallyStableCorp (I would like to think of > an example from today, but I can't) having 15% in your own company might > actually be a perfectly reasonable risk. > > Imagine an extreme case thought experiment -- the fund manager has no > idea who the employers of the participants actually is -- they are > nothing more than account numbers. > > If investing in the company that happened to employ you were a good > risk, for John Smith who works at OtherCorp, it should be a good risk > for you, too. > True. But a pension fund's investments should be more like a conservative mutual fund. And it's a very rare mutual fund that will have more than a few percent invested in a single company. Too risky.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <df0ahtF7q4pU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155896 |
On 2016-01-04, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
[22 lines snipped]
> By far, the most notable part of the GM bankruptcy and bailout was the
> transfer of its pension to UAW;
US car manufacturers have been financial organisations that happen to make
cars for some years.
--
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If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 04:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87twmsjtz3.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #155919 |
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes: > On 2016-01-04, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > > [22 lines snipped] > >> By far, the most notable part of the GM bankruptcy and bailout was the >> transfer of its pension to UAW; > > US car manufacturers have been financial organisations that happen > to make cars for some years. The great promise of The Computer, from the biz perspective, is that you should turn it on and money effortlessly comes out. More and more businesses are realizing that making actual physical products is an externality in that context, or an internal diseconomy that should be externalized. Just turn on the computer and tell it to Do Finance. It was an epiphany of sorts when I first heard the phrase, "externalize internal diseconomies", viz. "It costs so make somebody else eat it." -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h31k022v2@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #155941 |
On 2016-01-05, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > It was an epiphany of sorts when I first heard the phrase, > "externalize internal diseconomies", viz. "It costs so make somebody > else eat it." Aren't buzzwords wonderful? -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 11:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn8n8tq.171.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #155919 |
On 2016-01-04, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2016-01-04, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > > [22 lines snipped] > >> By far, the most notable part of the GM bankruptcy and bailout was the >> transfer of its pension to UAW; > > US car manufacturers have been financial organisations that happen to make > cars for some years. > In my recent search for a a car, I have noticed that that, instead of a price on the front window of the new cars, they have `X per month'. (and this is presently less than a bank loan). It is also more enticing, as it is a lot smaller figure, i.e. "300 per month" is a lot more enticing than "38,000" -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h31m322v2@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #155950 |
On 2016-01-05, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote: > In my recent search for a a car, I have noticed that that, instead > of a price on the front window of the new cars, they have `X per month'. > (and this is presently less than a bank loan). It is also more > enticing, as it is a lot smaller figure, i.e. "300 per month" is a lot more > enticing than "38,000" Around here they've already taken the next step, and now quote bi-weekly rates. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 17:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n6etli$slv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155878 |
On 04-Jan-16 09:29, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 8:56:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> Most US companies that had pension plans went bankrupt long ago, often >> in large part due to those very pension plans because they were either >> underfunded or the target of corporate raiders. > > FWIW, one of my friends will have to work until he's age 70 > because his old company was raided and his pension substantially > decreased. The successor company treats their people like serfs, > and is very quick to remind those they kept that they're lucky > to have a job. Yes, that was a serious problem, particularly in the 1980s; lots of people lost their pensions to corporate raiders, which should never have been allowed to happen. Worse, raiders often left targets bankrupt, so workers lost their jobs too, not just their pensions. Worse, older workers often couldn't find similar-paying jobs elsewhere, so not only did they have little time to make up for the lost pension, but they didn't have enough income to even try. This is why employer-managed pensions are such a horrible idea, as are 401(k) plans that allow investing in the employer's stock. >> Most of the few remaining ones offer pensions only to union >> employees or those over a certain age; younger or non-union >> employees have only a 401(k) or similar plan available. > > Many people who have a 401k have not done well with them. > Individual everyday people do not have the skills to pick a competent > fund manager nor manage the funds themselves. That's exactly why mutual funds exist! > Many have not recovered from the 2007 crash. 401(k)/IRA/etc. plans invested in mutual funds (often the only option available), particularly index funds, should have recovered long ago. The only exceptions are people who sold stocks and/or bought bonds at the bottom, but even _they_ should be doing okay by now too, just not as well as those who rode it out. > (Not helping is that some fund managers were outright crooks, > charging excessively high fees.) For an index fund, if you're paying more than 1% in "management" fees, you're getting ripped off. For a non-index fund, you're getting ripped off regardless. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 17:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87d1tgn6x4.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #155878 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > FWIW, one of my friends will have to work until he's age 70 > because his old company was raided and his pension substantially > decreased. The successor company treats their people like serfs, > and is very quick to remind those they kept that they're lucky > to have a job. one of the major victims of the triple-A ratings on (toxic) securitized mortgages/loans were pension funds that were limited to only investing in "safe investments" (claims that it took 30% on funds and trillions in fund shortfall) over $27T total was done 2001-2008. Top executives are manipulating pension plans to juice the bottom line for and their bonuses ... as referenced in prevous post regarding Welch & GE Capital. But there is much long litney chronicled ... some IBM specific: http://www.ibmemployee.com/RetirementHeist.shtml from this book: http://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Heist-Companies-American-ebook/dp/B003QMLC6K/ wallstreet and public employee pension funds Lehman's Gift To Jeb Bush For Funneling Pension Money: A $1.3 Million Consulting "Job" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/lehmans-gift-jeb-bush-funneling-pension-money-13-million-consulting-job private-equity are buying companies and looting the victim companies (including pension plans) posts mentioning private equity http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#private.equity but they also are then selling "high-yield" (junk) bonds to public employee pension funds (aka, industry got such bad rep ing S&L crisis, that they changed their name to "private-equity" and junk bonds became high-yield bonds). long, ongoing litney involving calpers (but cal. isn't the only one, just one of the largest) http://www.sacbee.com/2014/07/01/6524138/former-calpers-ceo-buenrostro.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/07/former-calpers-ceo-pleads-guilty-bribery-fraud-including-taking-cash-paper-bags.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/07/orange-county-register-attacks-lack-public-pension-fund-transparency-cites-suit-calpers.html http://seekingalpha.com/article/2506775-to-calpers-go-small-and-go-young-or-get-out http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-19/first-calpers-now-texas-teachers-cut-hedge-fund-exposure http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/10/gretchen-morgenson-damage-private-equity-secrecy-mention-calpers-suit.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/10/private-equity-consultants-flounder-question-abusive-evergreen-fees-calpers-board-meeting.html http://seekingalpha.com/article/2688805-is-calpers-a-canary-in-the-coal-mine http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/04/investors-like-calpers-and-new-york-city-in-the-dark-about-private-equity-fees.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/06/top-private-equity-reporter-calpers-is-either-lying-or-has-a-massive-breakdown-in-financial-controls.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/sacramento-bee-reports-on-calpers-fee-lapses.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/california-state-treasurer-takes-up-calpers-private-equity-carry-fee-reporting-lapse-after-nc-readers-press-him.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/08/leading-pension-consultant-pca-shills-for-private-equity-firms-in-calperscalstrs-carry-fee-row.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/08/senior-private-equity-officers-at-calpers-do-not-understand-how-the-general-partners-make-money.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/fortunes-dan-primack-takes-up-calpers-private-equity-scandal-calls-head-of-private-equity-factually-wrong.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/financial-times-joins-the-party-on-calpers-and-links-to-naked-capitalism.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/wsjs-carried-interest-comic-strip-mocks-calpers.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/how-calpers-consultant-pension-consulting-alliance-is-more-loyal-to-private-equity-than-its-clients.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/california-readers-catch-on-kpfa-this-friday-at-730-am-discussing-calpers-and-calstrs.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/mission-impossible-star-alec-baldwin-retweets-yves-post-on-calpers-capture-by-private-equity.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/the-larger-implications-of-calpers-staff-and-board-incompetence-in-private-equity.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/former-california-official-blasts-calpers-ceo-anne-stausboll-staff-and-board-for-misconduct.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/09/former-state-chief-investment-officer-tells-calpers-and-calstrs-to-fire-consultant-pca-over-proposed-fix-for-poor-private-equityperformance.html http://www.businessinsider.com/r-calpers-officers-propose-lower-investment-targets-wsj-2015-10 http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/after-nc-media-coverage-of-calpers-and-calstrs-private-equity-fee-lapses-treasurer-john-chiang-calls-for-legislation.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/oxford-professor-schools-calpers-contrary-to-board-presentation-private-equity-is-most-expensive-asset-class-by-far.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/11/the-bigger-significance-of-calpers-private-equity-carry-fee-release-another-nail-in-the-carried-interest-tax-loophole-coffin.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/11/harvard-professor-josh-lerner-gives-weak-and-internally-contradictory-plug-for-private-equity-at-calpers-workshop.html http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/12/how-calpers-lies-to-itself-and-others-to-justify-investing-in-private-equity.html 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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-02 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005285B2085496E@aca406b8.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #155752 |
Quadibloc wrote: > On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > >> Yes we have come a very long way indeed. It makes you wonder what >> another 35 years will bring. > > Of course, the pace of progress is slowing a bit. Dennard scaling has already > gone by the boards, and Moore's Law has only a bit more life left in it. > > However, other areas of technological progress are about to start their sigmoid > curves. > > So maybe 35 years from now, computers will only be a "little" better than they > are today (that will still be a significant improvement, Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. the real innovations will have to be done with software and I don't think that will happen until hardware resources become scarce. >just not as much as > further exponential growth would indicate)... but that CISPR stuff might lead > to cures for nearly all genetic diseases, and basically eternal youth through > rebuilding telomeres... > > One way or another, the future will be exciting. Yup. /BAH
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-02 15:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160102155831.5f4f8e8d91b1067ab26e5eb3@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #155767 |
On 2 Jan 2016 15:01:45 GMT jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. the real > innovations will have to be done with software and I don't think that > will happen until hardware resources become scarce. Read this if you think software is stagnating, some of it is jaw dropping! http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-top-ai-breakthroughs-of-2015/ There's more to software than managing scarcity. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 06:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30f42444b35a5041989d89@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #155769 |
In article <20160102155831.5f4f8e8d91b1067ab26e5eb3@eircom.net>, steveo@eircom.net says... > > On 2 Jan 2016 15:01:45 GMT > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > > Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. the real > > innovations will have to be done with software and I don't think that > > will happen until hardware resources become scarce. > > Read this if you think software is stagnating, some of it is jaw > dropping! > > http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-top-ai-breakthroughs-of-2015/ > > There's more to software than managing scarcity. If Kurzweil says it works then you can bet your bottom dollar that it doesn't.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 12:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160104123141.4740d3afb6e2ca2b01bf14a6@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #155869 |
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 06:40:43 -0500 "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <20160102155831.5f4f8e8d91b1067ab26e5eb3@eircom.net>, > steveo@eircom.net says... > > > > On 2 Jan 2016 15:01:45 GMT > > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. the real > > > innovations will have to be done with software and I don't think that > > > will happen until hardware resources become scarce. > > > > Read this if you think software is stagnating, some of it is jaw > > dropping! > > > > http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-top-ai-breakthroughs-of-2015/ > > > > There's more to software than managing scarcity. > > If Kurzweil says it works then you can bet your bottom dollar that it > doesn't. Furrfu! Read it! This is not his 'the future holds' stuff it's an up to date survey of work and results in the field. The byline on it is Richard Mallah not Ray kurzweil and everything mentioned in it has decent references. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 22:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30f4fd5417f06dba989d91@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #155872 |
In article <20160104123141.4740d3afb6e2ca2b01bf14a6@eircom.net>, steveo@eircom.net says... > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 06:40:43 -0500 > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <20160102155831.5f4f8e8d91b1067ab26e5eb3@eircom.net>, > > steveo@eircom.net says... > > > > > > On 2 Jan 2016 15:01:45 GMT > > > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. the real > > > > innovations will have to be done with software and I don't think that > > > > will happen until hardware resources become scarce. > > > > > > Read this if you think software is stagnating, some of it is jaw > > > dropping! > > > > > > http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-top-ai-breakthroughs-of-2015/ > > > > > > There's more to software than managing scarcity. > > > > If Kurzweil says it works then you can bet your bottom dollar that it > > doesn't. > > Furrfu! Read it! This is not his 'the future holds' stuff it's an > up to date survey of work and results in the field. The byline on it is > Richard Mallah not Ray kurzweil and everything mentioned in it has decent > references. Having decent references doesn't mean that they have been interpreted correctly. Far as I'm concerned, Kurzweil and everybody associated with him are like politicians--you can tell they're lying because their mouths are moving.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-03 07:09 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <deqp45FqemoU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155767 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM0005285B2085496E@aca406b8.ipt.aol.com... > Quadibloc wrote: >> On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot >> wrote: >> >>> Yes we have come a very long way indeed. It makes you wonder what >>> another 35 years will bring. >> >> Of course, the pace of progress is slowing a bit. Dennard scaling has > already >> gone by the boards, and Moore's Law has only a bit more life left in it. >> >> However, other areas of technological progress are about to start their > sigmoid >> curves. >> >> So maybe 35 years from now, computers will only be a "little" better than > they >> are today (that will still be a significant improvement, > > Which is similar to the airline business after jet engines. Nothing like it in fact with fly by wire. > the real innovations will have to be done with software Yes. > and I don't think that will happen until hardware resources become scarce. It already has, LONG ago now. >>just not as much as >> further exponential growth would indicate)... but that CISPR stuff might > lead >> to cures for nearly all genetic diseases, and basically eternal youth > through >> rebuilding telomeres... >> >> One way or another, the future will be exciting. > > Yup.
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| From | Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-03 12:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7db2ed440bca8c0-13432@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #155752 |
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 03:57:43PM -0800, Quadibloc wrote: > On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > > > Yes we have come a very long way indeed. It makes you wonder what > > another 35 years will bring. > > Of course, the pace of progress is slowing a bit. Dennard scaling has already > gone by the boards, and Moore's Law has only a bit more life left in it. Well, we haven't hit the atomic wall yet. While we seem to be reaching the limits of bulk manufacturing processes, the atom-by-atom approach remains to be explored. This represents something of a discontinuity to the stately progression of Moore's law, but I am too ignorant of science to project its limitation in terms of processor clock speed, information density, heat dissipation, etc. > However, other areas of technological progress are about to start their sigmoid > curves. > > So maybe 35 years from now, computers will only be a "little" better than they > are today (that will still be a significant improvement, just not as much as > further exponential growth would indicate)... but that CISPR stuff might lead > to cures for nearly all genetic diseases, and basically eternal youth through > rebuilding telomeres... I came to the realization some time ago that the natural apotheosis of medicine was the eventual cure of disease and ageing. Looking back it seems a rather obvious projection of capability, and I wonder whether some of the ancients (in Rome, for instance) looked upon technological developments of their age and imagined in some dim way the potential we now see looming. > One way or another, the future will be exciting. That's one way of putting it. -- We all cannot be intelligent, but at least we can all be polite.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-03 20:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e9a165d0-91a6-4c6b-87b6-c9241c9d6545@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #155851 |
On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 7:28:20 PM UTC-7, Uncle Steve wrote: > I wonder whether > some of the ancients (in Rome, for instance) looked upon technological > developments of their age and imagined in some dim way the potential > we now see looming. Generally speaking, in the distant past, people didn't notice change within their lifetimes, and so it wasn't until the Industrial Revolution that the possibility really entered the popular consciousness. However, long before that, Roger Bacon wrote his vision of a future with increased technical capabilities. And then, perhaps the earliest, the Bible speaks of a time when "people shall go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased". John Savard
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| From | "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 16:43 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <deuf4eFo6c5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155857 |
"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:e9a165d0-91a6-4c6b-87b6-c9241c9d6545@googlegroups.com... > On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 7:28:20 PM UTC-7, Uncle Steve wrote: >> I wonder whether >> some of the ancients (in Rome, for instance) looked upon technological >> developments of their age and imagined in some dim way the potential >> we now see looming. > > Generally speaking, in the distant past, people didn't notice change > within > their lifetimes, That is radically overstated, particularly with those that got invaded by the Romans. True in spades of the colonialists. > and so it wasn't until the Industrial Revolution that the > possibility really entered the popular consciousness. That is just plain wrong. > However, long before that, Roger Bacon wrote his vision of a future with > increased technical capabilities. > > And then, perhaps the earliest, the Bible speaks of a time when "people > shall > go to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased". That must have been happening a long time before the bible ever showed up as people moved from hunter gatherer societys to agriculture with all the technology that had to happen with that. Same with the exploitation of metals etc.
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