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| Started by | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| First post | 2015-12-07 10:48 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500 |
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1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 10:48 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-07 23:49 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 22:38 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 11:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-12-08 17:57 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 10:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:18 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-08 16:58 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 23:10 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-09 07:15 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-08 14:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 12:02 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-12-09 01:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-12-09 11:18 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-09 08:47 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:17 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 16:53 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-09 17:22 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-12-09 17:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-09 18:21 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-10 04:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 14:06 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 12:20 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 19:32 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 21:53 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 23:03 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 22:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:17 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-09 20:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 11:04 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-09 16:06 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:36 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-10 07:53 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-10 16:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 19:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:58 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 01:04 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:18 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:21 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-09 17:47 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 22:17 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:20 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-11 08:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-10 01:41 -0400
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:44 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:51 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-10 16:45 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 07:26 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-11 14:29 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:31 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-12 08:11 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-12 16:58 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-12 11:32 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 10:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 16:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-03 17:12 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 20:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-04 06:13 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:58 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:16 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:16 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:51 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:20 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 06:48 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 10:17 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:29 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 09:51 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 17:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 19:04 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:30 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 22:37 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:24 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:30 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 05:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:19 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:22 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:38 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:35 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-06 07:49 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:26 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:36 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:00 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:44 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-07 23:56 -0400
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 07:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-08 17:32 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 20:42 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-08 11:03 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 06:14 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:48 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:50 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-07 10:49 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 12:51 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:40 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:56 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 19:01 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 09:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:12 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:38 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-05 22:11 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:35 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 02:00 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 05:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-09 11:48 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 20:45 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 05:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:37 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:16 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 14:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:46 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 12:17 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-05 12:50 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-05 13:02 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 22:17 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-06 15:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 10:53 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:58 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:03 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-08 14:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:44 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:14 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:56 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:22 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:19 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:42 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-08 10:45 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-08 16:08 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:29 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:39 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:18 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:28 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-07 14:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 20:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:30 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:16 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:57 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 15:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 16:14 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 19:59 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 08:28 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 09:56 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:25 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:06 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-07 08:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:24 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 22:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:28 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-06 15:04 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:22 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:29 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:33 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 08:10 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:29 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 19:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:02 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 20:12 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-05 20:39 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:28 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:00 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:10 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:49 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:51 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:36 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 13:24 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 13:52 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:54 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 16:22 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:51 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 06:31 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:44 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 13:50 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:13 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:16 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 10:23 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 15:59 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-06 08:25 -0600
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Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-06 09:09 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 10:09 -0800
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Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 18:07 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:47 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-06 11:01 -0800
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Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:06 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-07 20:46 +0100
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Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-08 10:49 +0100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-09 05:48 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-06 06:21 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:21 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 13:05 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:15 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 05:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 14:57 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 16:46 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 14:42 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 16:01 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 13:05 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-07 03:42 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 07:45 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-07 08:30 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:55 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 17:01 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-07 09:52 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-11 12:34 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-11 10:22 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 16:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-05 23:01 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:14 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 07:57 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 11:14 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 06:54 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-06 12:11 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 11:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-06 11:39 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-06 14:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 14:46 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:32 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-07 11:33 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 06:11 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-07 13:28 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-08 15:30 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 17:57 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 17:12 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 18:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-06 07:59 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 18:58 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 12:04 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 18:04 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 06:55 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-08 06:37 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 23:56 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:59 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 20:45 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-06 08:05 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "879" <879@nospam.com> - 2016-01-07 15:38 +1100
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 16:09 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 18:10 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 11:21 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-04 20:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-01-04 21:25 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:24 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:44 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:21 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 06:36 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:32 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 04:27 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 15:03 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:14 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-04 13:34 -0800
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 16:53 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 18:12 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:38 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 21:35 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 10:23 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 05:43 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 11:20 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 11:43 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:40 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 16:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 17:09 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 07:02 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 13:30 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-05 09:17 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 18:52 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-05 12:42 -0600
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:53 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 19:24 -0500
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-05 21:19 +0000
Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-01-05 21:40 +0000
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Re: 1970--protesters seize computer center Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-08 21:25 +0100
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 15:18 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4fedn$7fj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154999 |
"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message news:n4d7f401in1@news4.newsguy.com... > > [snip...] [snip...] > [snip...] > > It's questionable whether baseball would qualify as a sport in the > same sense as hockey, football, etc. There isn't enough violence, > and too much adherence to the rules. Not exactly warlike. > The voilence comes in baseball when the batter or the manager kick dirt on the umpire. Or when the pitcher hits the batter with a pitch... and both dugouts clear for a good slugfest!!! -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 07:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <deaa2b65-08d5-4d62-a606-34527e2b9f8a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #154974 |
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:13:38 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > This morning I heard a talk radio station justify Trump's position. > > They didn't exactly come out and agree with it, but they called > > it "understandable in the circumstances of the government doing > > a terrible job". > > Ah. A moderate right-wing stance. (Or at least a restrained one.) > The subtext, of course, is: "It's not our fault. It's that black > Muslim Kenyan in the White House that's causing the mess." Yes, absolutely.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 15:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4o2rjc-3tm.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #154959 |
In article <f093f1bb-1265-43f6-bf7b-ec8f2b85190d@googlegroups.com>, <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-5, D_J_E wrote: > >> Not sure I agree either. >> The main outlet for extremism as I've seen it is talk radio. >> The mini-minds on the internet have to get their ideas from somewhere. >> They're not very original. > >Good point. > >This morning I heard a talk radio station justify Trump's position. >They didn't exactly come out and agree with it, but they called >it "understandable in the circumstances of the government doing >a terrible job". > > >> Vietnam surely put us on a bad path. > >I read a biography of McNamera. According to that, he _blatantly_ >lied to pretty much everyone--the people, his own staff, Congress, >and the president, about the strategy in Vietnam. He told everyone >it would be fairly easy to win when he knew in fact it would be >long, difficult, and very expensive war. He relied on statistics >which he knew or should've known were false; and failed to consider >the political and cultural issues of the enemy. He put in "yes men" >who weren't competent. > >Now, admittedly, I have not read McNamera's own works on Vietnam, >which are voluminous. > > >> The war on drugs hasn't helped. >> How about waging war on a large chunk of the population. >> Not conducive to respect for authority. > >True. > > >> Other things like an obsession on sports and disrespect >> for intelligence do their part too. >> Lots of people seem to support their political party as >> if it's a sport team. They don't need logical reasons, >> it's their team. > >I always suspected sports were invented to give the masses >an outlet for their energy and divert their attention to >"healthful pursuits". This was both for the actual players >and the spectators. Panem et circensis. Or McDonalds and the sports stadium. Plus la change ,,, -- mrr
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 17:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1512091723380.25252@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #154912 |
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. > > At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet > contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say > politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy > distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around > and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to > access them. > ONe of the problems is that up until not much more than 20 years ago, there was little in the way of "local". Except for a few college towns, online density was low enough that if things had been organized around "local", you wouldn't have that many people to talk to (and none at all in some areas). If you wanted to talk to people, you had to talk to strangers. ONce there were commercial ISPs, starting about 1990, that wsa the start of the change, though even then I thought most ISPs also had their own local "newsgroup" that didn't propagate, so the members had a place to talk amongst themselves (which initially might be the only other locals). As density grew, "local" became an issue. Lots of talk about "community networking", even at Inet 96. So things grew up along topic lines, rather than geographical lines. If you wanted to talk about anything, you'd need the general online populatino to cough up enough people to talk about electronics or amateur radio or computer folklore. But something was lost in the translation. Instead of building up the local, which the organizer types had planned, we ended up with big ISPs (we got our first ISP here in 1990, they were already consolidating and being bought up in 1995) that had no sense of place. In came Amazon, in came other websites intended for everyone, but still about specific topics. Then later still, in came myspace and later facebook, where you could gather your own group around yourself. Indeed, while once upon a time you came to talk about exotic topics with people you didn't know, after a certain point (sometime in the nineties) you came to talk to people you did know, which is why myspace and facebook did so well. There's a big difference between scaling newsgroups up for a large local population, or doing webforums for that same population, and putting a webpage on some big international conglomerate. People have utilized things like facebook for a more general thing, but it still is about "your friends". Even starting in 1996, I saw endless local groups coming to the internet, and they couldn't see beyond "keeping in touch with their membership". They couldn't grasp that now they could talk to everyone. Lots of groups had newsletters or mailing lists, an analog of previous life, which was certainly cheaper, but never addressed "others". I put lots of effort into the local newsgroup, trying to "blog" about things that interested me (but also trying not to be annoying), hoping others might follow, hoping the more varied content would lure more people in, to talk about what interested them. If nothing else, a larger readership meant a greater likelihood that if someone asked where to get blue LEDs or something, there'd be someone there to reply. SO of course things have become quite polarized. If you aren't talking to people you don't know, then you are only talking to people you do know. Everyone has a soapbox, but if you don't have friends or the means of gathering an audience, then you are talking to yourself, and talking to your friends doesn't change anyone's minds. The local newsgroup used to have someone posting from a nearby reserve, he was interested in computer networking but he'd also be there promoting his computer business in the buy and sell newsgroup, and telling us of news about indians (sometimes local, sometimes a wider bit of news). He was just some guy, like the rest of us, but the venue meant he could fit in. Now it's a whole lot harder to create that diversity. ANd few seem to realize that. If you aren't talking to people you don't know, then of course it's easy to see someone different as being "other" or "the enemy". I saw this 30 years ago in small political groups, endless planning for events, but much of the time "that other" was never addressed. If you want to reach other people, you have to think about them, whether posting will bother them or making sure to not talk like an insider when talking to the outsider. Buzz words are fun, but they ignore the "other". I never understood the scene in "Around the World in 80 Days" where two political sides are prepared to fight over their party, until I had access to Usenet, and I saw some of that same polarization 20 years ago. But I think I've seen a greater polarization in Canadian politics, which I attribute to the internet, people through osmosis picking up habits from the US and thus things become more binary here. When discussion is along topic lines, it's easy to fall into a group mentality. But also, if someone is different, that's all you know about them. ALong geographical lines, you know that separatist is also the helpful one who will answer people's questions in the newsgroup, making it harder to "hate". YOu may not like someone for one reason, but if the interaction is along multiple lines, then you can tolerate the thing you dislike about someone because you see other points that are common with him. If it's just about one thing, of course any difference then becomes incredibly large. Michael
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 22:17 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4au8b$4cb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154912 |
On 12/9/2015 1:04 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. > > At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet > contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say > politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy > distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around > and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to > access them. > I dunno. Years ago, widespread distribution of extremist views in Europe didn't depend on the Internet. A bit later, neither did McCarthyism. There are always politicians ready to capitalize on extremist views. Any communications medium will do the trick, newspapers, radio, TV, tape cassettes, the Internet. Wealthy financiers promoting extremist views make the problem worse. In the US, talk radio has been such a medium. Go way back, I'd say that slavery was an extremist view, or pushing the native inhabitants out of their lands, but they were respectable extremist views held by many respectable people. I think the bigger problem of the Internet is that it makes it easy for people to vanish into an echo chamber, where most of what they hear reflects and amplifies the views they already have. (My own views, of course, are completely rational, it's people with different views who are crazy.)
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| From | "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 17:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dcv88qFrmtoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154938 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n4au8b$4cb$1@dont-email.me... > On 12/9/2015 1:04 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >>> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. >> >> At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet >> contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say >> politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy >> distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around >> and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to >> access them. >> > I dunno. Years ago, widespread distribution of extremist views in > Europe didn't depend on the Internet. A bit later, neither did > McCarthyism. There are always politicians ready to capitalize on > extremist views. Any communications medium will do the trick, > newspapers, radio, TV, tape cassettes, the Internet. Wealthy > financiers promoting extremist views make the problem worse. In the > US, talk radio has been such a medium. Go way back, I'd say that > slavery was an extremist view, or pushing the native inhabitants out > of their lands, but they were respectable extremist views held by many > respectable people. > I think the bigger problem of the Internet is that it makes it easy > for people to vanish into an echo chamber, where most of what > they hear reflects and amplifies the views they already have. You can make a hell of a case that religion has always been about doing that stuff. (My own > views, of course, are completely rational, it's people with different > views who are crazy.)
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 08:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dd04m5F44fhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155011 |
"Ranger" wrote: > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > news:n4au8b$4cb$1@dont-email.me... >> On 12/9/2015 1:04 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the >>>> right, >>>> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward >>>> turn. >>> >>> At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet >>> contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say >>> politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy >>> distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around >>> and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to >>> access them. >>> >> I dunno. Years ago, widespread distribution of extremist views in >> Europe didn't depend on the Internet. A bit later, neither did >> McCarthyism. There are always politicians ready to capitalize on >> extremist views. Any communications medium will do the trick, >> newspapers, radio, TV, tape cassettes, the Internet. Wealthy >> financiers promoting extremist views make the problem worse. In the >> US, talk radio has been such a medium. Go way back, I'd say that >> slavery was an extremist view, or pushing the native inhabitants out >> of their lands, but they were respectable extremist views held by many >> respectable people. > >> I think the bigger problem of the Internet is that it makes it easy >> for people to vanish into an echo chamber, where most of what >> they hear reflects and amplifies the views they already have. > > You can make a hell of a case that religion > has always been about doing that stuff. That's kind of profound.
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 01:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87io46yi5t.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #154912 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. > > At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet > contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say > politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy > distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around > and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to > access them. In all my years pre-internet (more than 40), I only ever saw one total nutter screed, a purple-ink hectographed hand-block-printed page about how China was really smaller than shown on maps (which were altered by the Chinese), the Chinese were blowing dust into caucasians' eyes to make them need glasses and more, with extra lines scribbled in the margins. Today you can find gigabytes of the deranged thoughts of total nutters. Some of them are running for president or sitting in congress and parliament. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 10:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn6ils2.191.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #154945 |
On 2015-12-10, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >>> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. >> >> At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet >> contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say >> politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy >> distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around >> and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to >> access them. > > In all my years pre-internet (more than 40), I only ever saw one total > nutter screed, a purple-ink hectographed hand-block-printed page about > how China was really smaller than shown on maps (which were altered by > the Chinese), the Chinese were blowing dust into caucasians' eyes to > make them need glasses and more, with extra lines scribbled in the > margins. don't think many people appreciate how meractor-based maps distort the areas of countries near the equator. > > Today you can find gigabytes of the deranged thoughts of total > nutters. Some of them are running for president or sitting in > congress and parliament. > -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 17:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <0t3k6b921fbtr0muqgge5plooos06t3kdl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #154945 |
On 10 Dec 2015 01:41:34 -0400, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 1:27:11 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >>> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. >> >> At the risk of branded a heretic (and possibly hypocrite), the Internet >> contributed to the decay of modern society. For instance, they say >> politics is so terribly polarized because the Internet allows easy >> distribution of extremist views. Such views were always around >> and publicized, but years ago one had to go out of their way to >> access them. > >In all my years pre-internet (more than 40), I only ever saw one total >nutter screed, a purple-ink hectographed hand-block-printed page about >how China was really smaller than shown on maps (which were altered by >the Chinese), the Chinese were blowing dust into caucasians' eyes to >make them need glasses and more, with extra lines scribbled in the >margins. > >Today you can find gigabytes of the deranged thoughts of total >nutters. Some of them are running for president or sitting in >congress and parliament. To read lots of silliness, go to here: http://www.crank.net/ but don't click on any links leading off that site. You will wind up actually seeing all of the silliness for that link. -- JimP.
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| From | Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 16:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LNKdne8T4qhAYvTLnZ2dnUU7-YHOydjZ@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #154909 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-12-09, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote: > >> I have an idea that `things' improved until around 1990, and have fallen >> back since then > > I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, > and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. > My feeling is that after WW-II the whole world was a heap of wreckage, except the US. Somehow, we managed to keep the destruction to somewhere else. And, we had all those huge factories that had been turning out bombers and tanks that needed something to do. Also, all the world's other economies were as wrecked as their cities. Ours wasn't great, but maybe a bit less wrecked. So, we (the US) turned to making stuff people wanted, from consumer goods and cars to computers, manufacturing equipment, roadbuilding equipment, mining and oil drilling, and on and on. This lasted through most of the 70's, and the communist governments of the Soviet Union and China held their economies back. Well, eventually, those communist governments changed their tune in one way or another, and they started having more modern economic systems. Once you could work hard and earn some kind of benefit for yourself, they started producing. India is also climbing the economic ladder. So, the whole world is rebalancing their economies. Well, so the US went from being the biggest producer of stuff that brought vast amounts of currency in to a big consumer of what others are producing. It looked like diving headfirst into a black abyss, but the economies worldwide are heading upward. So, if we can just hold on a bit longer, the whole world will reach some kind of equilibrium, where various outfits worldwide will be making things and selling them worldwide. Some countries may develop expertise in certain areas and be large producers of that technology, but it will hopefully balance out better than it has been for a while. The fantastic boom times from about 1950 to 1980 are not likely to be repeated for the US, maybe without something horrible like WW-III! (Not that I am advocating this!!!) And, we did have to go through the great depression and WW-II to get to those boom times. Ther may be some social changes that are important, but I think a LOT of what is going on, economically, has to do with things OUTSIDE the US. Well, I'll bet this will stir up a hornet's nest! Jon
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 07:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a70743a8-0352-4bb0-be77-1a5929cb7970@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #154989 |
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 5:42:39 PM UTC-5, Jon Elson wrote: > My feeling is that after WW-II the whole world was a heap of wreckage, > except the US. Somehow, we managed to keep the destruction to somewhere > else. And, we had all those huge factories that had been turning out > bombers and tanks that needed something to do. Also, all the world's other > economies were as wrecked as their cities. Ours wasn't great, but maybe a > bit less wrecked. So, we (the US) turned to making stuff people wanted, > from consumer goods and cars to computers, manufacturing equipment, > roadbuilding equipment, mining and oil drilling, and on and on. This lasted > through most of the 70's, and the communist governments of the Soviet Union > and China held their economies back. Well, eventually, those communist > governments changed their tune in one way or another, and they started > having more modern economic systems. Once you could work hard and earn some > kind of benefit for yourself, they started producing. India is also > climbing the economic ladder. So, the whole world is rebalancing their > economies. Basically true. The driver of demand in the US was that soldiers and war workers had tons of money in their pockets after the war and were ready to spend, and they did. Initially, industry and govt feared another depression*, but it turned out to be a long running boom. The world balance changed in the late 1970s for a variety of reasons, impacting the US seriously: --steep hikes in the price of energy --high quality affordable exports from Germany and Japan in raw materials and finished goods competing with US goods. --malaise in US industry with excessive bureaucracy, unproductive workers, and weak management. > Well, so the US went from being the biggest producer of stuff that brought > vast amounts of currency in to a big consumer of what others are producing. > It looked like diving headfirst into a black abyss, but the economies > worldwide are heading upward. So, if we can just hold on a bit longer, the > whole world will reach some kind of equilibrium, where various outfits > worldwide will be making things and selling them worldwide. Some countries > may develop expertise in certain areas and be large producers of that > technology, but it will hopefully balance out better than it has been for a > while. I really can't see how the US can sustain a negative economy -- massive government deficit, massive trade deficit--over the long term. Sooner or later the credit market will be saturated and no one will buy our debt. The challenge is how to put the brakes on deficit spending without a major disruption of the economy. Also, many entities benefit from deficit spending, so they'll fight it. Convservatives may rant about liberal social spending, but conservatives are worse when it comes to defense spending, which is very expensive. > The fantastic boom times from about 1950 to 1980 are not likely to be > repeated for the US, maybe without something horrible like WW-III! (Not > that I am advocating this!!!) And, we did have to go through the great > depression and WW-II to get to those boom times. Agreed. > Ther may be some social changes that are important, but I think a LOT of > what is going on, economically, has to do with things OUTSIDE the US. > > Well, I'll bet this will stir up a hornet's nest!
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| From | Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 14:29 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LsudnSC8yLvCrPbLnZ2dnUU7-b3OydjZ@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #155029 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > I really can't see how the US can sustain a negative economy -- > massive government deficit, massive trade deficit--over the long > term. Sooner or later the credit market will be saturated and > no one will buy our debt. > I think we are REALLY close to this point, now! > The challenge is how to put the brakes on deficit spending without > a major disruption of the economy. Well, the deficit spending is a problem, but I'm hoping the rising economy in China and other places will start reducing the trade deficit. I think it has already started, but there's probably a lot of inertia there. If we can just keep other countries from having huge import barriers, we could start selling them stuff. I do notice in my home business, I am getting a LOT of foreign sales. Mostly Europe, however. I'm almost afraid of selling to China, for fear they will knock off my stuff. Jon
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-11 15:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jb3rjc-3tm.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #154989 |
In article <LNKdne8T4qhAYvTLnZ2dnUU7-YHOydjZ@giganews.com>, Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote: >Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2015-12-09, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have an idea that `things' improved until around 1990, and have fallen >>> back since then >> >> I feel it's the social changes of the '80s (the hard swing to the right, >> and the enshrining of greed as a virtue) that started the downward turn. >> >My feeling is that after WW-II the whole world was a heap of wreckage, >except the US. Somehow, we managed to keep the destruction to somewhere >else. And, we had all those huge factories that had been turning out >bombers and tanks that needed something to do. Also, all the world's other >economies were as wrecked as their cities. Ours wasn't great, but maybe a >bit less wrecked. So, we (the US) turned to making stuff people wanted, Also, Sweden and Switzerland got off. Sweden also made a bundle on fuel to the german war machine. They even opened up mines they had previously closed. >from consumer goods and cars to computers, manufacturing equipment, >roadbuilding equipment, mining and oil drilling, and on and on. This lasted >through most of the 70's, and the communist governments of the Soviet Union >and China held their economies back. Well, eventually, those communist >governments changed their tune in one way or another, and they started >having more modern economic systems. Once you could work hard and earn some >kind of benefit for yourself, they started producing. India is also >climbing the economic ladder. So, the whole world is rebalancing their >economies. Perhaps we will have eliminated the country-wide dirt powerty within another 20-30 years. We got rid of 2/3rds of it the last 30. Even Indonesia is getting along now. And Mexico has comparable wealth to what the US had per capita ca 1964. >Well, so the US went from being the biggest producer of stuff that brought >vast amounts of currency in to a big consumer of what others are producing. >It looked like diving headfirst into a black abyss, but the economies >worldwide are heading upward. So, if we can just hold on a bit longer, the >whole world will reach some kind of equilibrium, where various outfits >worldwide will be making things and selling them worldwide. Some countries >may develop expertise in certain areas and be large producers of that >technology, but it will hopefully balance out better than it has been for a >while. > >The fantastic boom times from about 1950 to 1980 are not likely to be >repeated for the US, maybe without something horrible like WW-III! (Not >that I am advocating this!!!) And, we did have to go through the great >depression and WW-II to get to those boom times. The US will have to address 4 issues to stay on top. Work participation, income distribution, access to education and a functioning legislature. >Ther may be some social changes that are important, but I think a LOT of >what is going on, economically, has to do with things OUTSIDE the US. > >Well, I'll bet this will stir up a hornet's nest! -- mrr
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-12 08:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1378145699.471617182.776890.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #155034 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > > Perhaps we will have eliminated the country-wide dirt powerty within > another 20-30 years. We got rid of 2/3rds of it the last 30. > Never happen, because we keep redefining poverty upwards. I'm not sure how much actual hunger is left in developing countries, obviously some, but most people have access to some assistance, though not all take advantage of it. "Poor" people today would be considered quite well-off by the standards of 100 or so years ago: stuff like a place to live without holes in the walls, some sort of warm clothing, usually a meal or two a day, etc. Few people starve to death anymore. -- Pete
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-12 16:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn6oki7.1db.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #155099 |
On 2015-12-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >> >> Perhaps we will have eliminated the country-wide dirt powerty within >> another 20-30 years. We got rid of 2/3rds of it the last 30. >> > > Never happen, because we keep redefining poverty upwards. I'm not sure how > much actual hunger is left in developing countries, obviously some, but > most people have access to some assistance, though not all take advantage > of it. > > "Poor" people today would be considered quite well-off by the standards of > 100 or so years ago: stuff like a place to live without holes in the walls, > some sort of warm clothing, usually a meal or two a day, etc. Few people > starve to death anymore. > There is a big gap in Society, below it, the State will provide housing, health care, some money, educaation. What is that worth?. ( People who live like that can have quite a shock, as in when they win the Lotto). I knew an old lady who ran the family business until it disappeared. She told me that she couldn't believ the comfort when she started to get the State Pension. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-12 11:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <47f7fb8a-cf50-4dc6-a80a-770de14c9d6a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #155099 |
On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: > Never happen, because we keep redefining poverty upwards. I'm not sure how > much actual hunger is left in developing countries, obviously some, but > most people have access to some assistance, though not all take advantage > of it. Also, as discussed before, there is a subset of the population that, well, is troubled, and has great difficulty taking adequate care of itself. The definitions, causes, and solutions are greatly debated. Some conservatives claim that social programs created a dependency, while liberals claim post-industrialization and inadequate social programs are a cause. I just wish the ideologues would get out of the way. That won't be a total solution, but at least an improvement over now.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-12-13 15:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n4k44s22pn5@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #155123 |
On 2015-12-12, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: > >> Never happen, because we keep redefining poverty upwards. I'm not sure >> how much actual hunger is left in developing countries, obviously some, >> but most people have access to some assistance, though not all take >> advantage of it. > > Also, as discussed before, there is a subset of the population that, > well, is troubled, and has great difficulty taking adequate care of > itself. The definitions, causes, and solutions are greatly debated. > Some conservatives claim that social programs created a dependency, > while liberals claim post-industrialization and inadequate social > programs are a cause. Jesus said that the poor will always be with us. Things haven't changed since then, and probably won't change any time soon. > I just wish the ideologues would get out of the way. That won't be > a total solution, but at least an improvement over now. That's true for just about everything. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-03 10:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30f30c6a3596538a989d86@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #155123 |
In article <47f7fb8a-cf50-4dc6-a80a-770de14c9d6a@googlegroups.com>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says... > > On Saturday, December 12, 2015 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: > > > Never happen, because we keep redefining poverty upwards. I'm not sure how > > much actual hunger is left in developing countries, obviously some, but > > most people have access to some assistance, though not all take advantage > > of it. > > Also, as discussed before, there is a subset of the population that, > well, is troubled, and has great difficulty taking adequate care of > itself. The definitions, causes, and solutions are greatly debated. > Some conservatives claim that social programs created a dependency, > while liberals claim post-industrialization and inadequate social > programs are a cause. > > I just wish the ideologues would get out of the way. That won't be > a total solution, but at least an improvement over now. I had the fortune to work in an inner-city career center for a year recently. I got to see first hand how people were going about trying to get out of poverty. I could go on at length about it but the bottom line is that there's no one solution--each case was different and nearly all have more than one problem, and the problems are not generally the kind that can be fixed with massive government programs. The big thing the government could do and isn't is recognize when somebody's in trouble and not pour more trouble on him.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-03 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160103162319.d252930e4072b520c6a711f1@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #155816 |
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:46:54 -0500 "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > The big thing > the government could do and isn't is recognize when somebody's in > trouble and not pour more trouble on him. This - in spades (to borrow a Rodism). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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