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| First post | 2015-10-16 15:29 +0000 |
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Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-16 15:29 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 05:06 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:48 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:08 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-17 12:23 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-18 17:38 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:20 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-18 11:53 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 07:12 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 09:37 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 09:42 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:12 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers David Jones <djones60@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 07:47 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 10:58 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:10 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 11:26 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:52 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:09 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:53 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 16:06 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 18:46 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 16:54 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 21:02 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 11:25 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 07:25 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 10:32 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 11:55 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 17:01 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-20 10:23 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 13:25 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 19:43 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 16:51 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-21 03:08 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:54 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 20:14 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-19 11:40 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:53 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:11 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 12:07 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:41 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:35 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 16:08 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 13:22 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 18:53 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:20 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:54 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 16:07 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 21:14 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 17:51 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 09:35 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 20:22 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-19 15:40 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:43 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:59 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 07:25 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-20 12:13 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-20 18:04 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-21 14:21 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-21 19:52 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-21 15:13 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-21 17:19 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-22 10:03 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-22 11:53 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-23 06:29 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:46 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-23 05:57 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-22 09:39 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:48 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-22 17:45 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-23 05:57 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-22 17:56 -0700
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-23 13:10 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-22 23:32 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-21 20:07 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:50 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 14:10 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 15:42 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 19:07 +0100
Re: Moon Farmers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-20 21:20 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:56 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 18:43 -0500
Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 18:00 -0400
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:08 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:10 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-19 15:30 +1100
Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 13:15 +0000
Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:25 -0400
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-10-16 15:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Moon Farmers |
| Message-ID | <WJ8Ux.25862$%c.3764@fx26.iad> |
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html
"I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification
program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant by
the moon. I plant by the sun."
Even when the signs were supposedly right, "I've seen it when it was
35 degrees outside and the garden was so wet it wouldn't do you any
good," said orchard owner Billy Reid, who also is not convinced that
the moon's phases play a role in agriculture.
His family has been in the orchard business for 130 years and has never
planted by the moon, Reid said. "We plant everything by the weather. It's
all got to do with the right weather," he said. Soil temperature, moisture
in the ground, and the length of the day are the crucial variables, he noted.
Two weeks' difference in a planting date, Henson said, can make a huge
difference in the kind of weather a developing crop will face down the road.
What growers think is the influence of the moon actually could be the weather, he said.
"I would say the weather is most important," said Duncan, adding that his garden
has been limited this year because of the lack of rain. When the weather has forced
him to plant his crops on the wrong day astrologically, though, "I know I didn't
get as good results," he said.
"If those things were true, it would be noticed in experimental data," said
Richard Durham, a consumer horticulture specialist with the University of
entucky's Cooperative Extension Service.
"The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides,
Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the moon.
When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence either way," he said.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0005224D0E124808@aca41e6f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #152998 |
Scott Lurndal wrote: > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html > > "I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification > program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant by > the moon. I plant by the sun." > > Even when the signs were supposedly right, "I've seen it when it was > 35 degrees outside and the garden was so wet it wouldn't do you any > good," said orchard owner Billy Reid, who also is not convinced that > the moon's phases play a role in agriculture. > > His family has been in the orchard business for 130 years and has never > planted by the moon, Reid said. "We plant everything by the weather. It's > all got to do with the right weather," he said. Soil temperature, moisture > in the ground, and the length of the day are the crucial variables, he noted. > > Two weeks' difference in a planting date, Henson said, can make a huge > difference in the kind of weather a developing crop will face down the road. > What growers think is the influence of the moon actually could be the weather, he said. > > "I would say the weather is most important," said Duncan, adding that his garden > has been limited this year because of the lack of rain. When the weather has forced > him to plant his crops on the wrong day astrologically, though, "I know I didn't > get as good results," he said. > > "If those things were true, it would be noticed in experimental data," said > Richard Durham, a consumer horticulture specialist with the University of > entucky's Cooperative Extension Service. > > "The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides, > Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the moon. > When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence either way," he said. And planting weather happens after a certain full moon. Counting the full moons gives one an idea of when spring happens. There are 60 degree days in Janurary. ISTR research on tidal effects on seed, too. Just because those two don't look at a calender does not mean that nobody else does. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 05:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <d8fh1vFf4anU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #153030 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM0005224D0E124808@aca41e6f.ipt.aol.com... > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html >> >> "I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification >> program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant >> by >> the moon. I plant by the sun." >> >> Even when the signs were supposedly right, "I've seen it when it was >> 35 degrees outside and the garden was so wet it wouldn't do you any >> good," said orchard owner Billy Reid, who also is not convinced that >> the moon's phases play a role in agriculture. >> >> His family has been in the orchard business for 130 years and has >> never >> planted by the moon, Reid said. "We plant everything by the weather. >> It's >> all got to do with the right weather," he said. Soil temperature, > moisture >> in the ground, and the length of the day are the crucial variables, he > noted. >> >> Two weeks' difference in a planting date, Henson said, can make a huge >> difference in the kind of weather a developing crop will face down the > road. >> What growers think is the influence of the moon actually could be the > weather, he said. >> >> "I would say the weather is most important," said Duncan, adding that >> his > garden >> has been limited this year because of the lack of rain. When the >> weather > has forced >> him to plant his crops on the wrong day astrologically, though, "I know >> I > didn't >> get as good results," he said. >> >> "If those things were true, it would be noticed in experimental data," > said >> Richard Durham, a consumer horticulture specialist with the University >> of >> entucky's Cooperative Extension Service. >> >> "The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides, >> Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the > moon. >> When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence >> either > way," he said. > And planting weather happens after a certain full moon. But you don’t need moon phases on the calendar to work that out, the calendar with no moon phases works fine for that. > Counting the full moons gives one an idea of when spring happens. Much more viable to just use the calendar without moon phases. > There are 60 degree days in Janurary. Those aren't correlated with the moon phase. > ISTR research on tidal effects on seed, too. Just because those two > don't look at a calender does not mean that nobody else does. Plenty of fools look at the phases of the planets before doing stuff like having a major public events like coronations or getting married etc too. Doesn’t mean that it makes any sense to do that tho. That pathetic drunk Nancy Reagan used to do that all the time.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1123590967.466874224.176769.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #153034 |
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM0005224D0E124808@aca41e6f.ipt.aol.com... >> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html >>> >>> "I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification >>> program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant >>> by >>> the moon. I plant by the sun." >>> >>> Even when the signs were supposedly right, "I've seen it when it was >>> 35 degrees outside and the garden was so wet it wouldn't do you any >>> good," said orchard owner Billy Reid, who also is not convinced that >>> the moon's phases play a role in agriculture. >>> >>> His family has been in the orchard business for 130 years and has >>> never >>> planted by the moon, Reid said. "We plant everything by the weather. >>> It's >>> all got to do with the right weather," he said. Soil temperature, >> moisture >>> in the ground, and the length of the day are the crucial variables, he >> noted. >>> >>> Two weeks' difference in a planting date, Henson said, can make a huge >>> difference in the kind of weather a developing crop will face down the >> road. >>> What growers think is the influence of the moon actually could be the >> weather, he said. >>> >>> "I would say the weather is most important," said Duncan, adding that >>> his >> garden >>> has been limited this year because of the lack of rain. When the >>> weather >> has forced >>> him to plant his crops on the wrong day astrologically, though, "I know >>> I >> didn't >>> get as good results," he said. >>> >>> "If those things were true, it would be noticed in experimental data," >> said >>> Richard Durham, a consumer horticulture specialist with the University >>> of >>> entucky's Cooperative Extension Service. >>> >>> "The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides, >>> Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the >> moon. >>> When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence >>> either >> way," he said. > >> And planting weather happens after a certain full moon. > > But you don’t need moon phases on the calendar to work that > out, the calendar with no moon phases works fine for that. > >> Counting the full moons gives one an idea of when spring happens. > > Much more viable to just use the calendar without moon phases. > >> There are 60 degree days in Janurary. > > Those aren't correlated with the moon phase. > >> ISTR research on tidal effects on seed, too. Just because those two >> don't look at a calender does not mean that nobody else does. > > Plenty of fools look at the phases of the planets > before doing stuff like having a major public events > like coronations or getting married etc too. Doesn’t > mean that it makes any sense to do that tho. > > That pathetic drunk Nancy Reagan used to do that all the time. > > Way to go, Rod! What are you drinking these days? ' -- Pete
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n00idp$p3c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153043 |
On 10/18/2015 10:20 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Plenty of fools look at the phases of the planets >> before doing stuff like having a major public events >> like coronations or getting married etc too. Doesn’t >> mean that it makes any sense to do that tho. >> >> That pathetic drunk Nancy Reagan used to do that all the time. >> >> > > Way to go, Rod! What are you drinking these days? > ' While I don't have any knowledge that Nancy Reagan was a drunk, it's no secret that the Reagans frequently sought advice from an astrologer (first Jeane Dixon, then Joan Quigley).
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| From | Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 19:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn27unq.30b.mausg@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #153046 |
On 2015-10-18, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 10/18/2015 10:20 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> Plenty of fools look at the phases of the planets >>> before doing stuff like having a major public events >>> like coronations or getting married etc too. Doesn’t >>> mean that it makes any sense to do that tho. >>> >>> That pathetic drunk Nancy Reagan used to do that all the time. >>> >>> >> >> Way to go, Rod! What are you drinking these days? >> ' > > While I don't have any knowledge that Nancy Reagan was a drunk, it's > no secret that the Reagans frequently sought advice from an astrologer > (first Jeane Dixon, then Joan Quigley). > AFAIK`, woodrow wilsons wife did too, but the ultimate was the Czarina and Rasputin. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-17 12:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4aee3413-2961-4ab9-9406-158cdc073802@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #152998 |
On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 9:30:00 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html > > "I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification > program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant by > the moon. I plant by the sun." > "The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides, > Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the moon. > When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence either way," he said. And here I thought the article would be about space colonies on the Lunar surface. John Savard
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <489271670.466874270.151337.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #153036 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 9:30:00 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wireplanting_2.html >> >> "I'm a horticulturist," said Ray Russell, who managed a beautification >> program for the city of Owensboro before he retired. "I don't plant by >> the moon. I plant by the sun." > >> "The moon does have an obvious effect on the earth," such as the tides, >> Durham said. Certain animals reproduce according to the phases of the moon. >> When it comes to crop productivity, however, "there's no evidence either way," he said. > > And here I thought the article would be about space colonies on the Lunar > surface. > I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? -- Pete
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 17:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20151018173826.0089c8e5780f3da3ae89c822@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #153044 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:20:04 -0400 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil > to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? There's no moon soil, just dust which is pulverised rock. Soil is a complex colony of organisms from worms to bacteria by way of mites and fungal growths of various kinds. OTOH it's long been known that you don't need soil to grow crops, water, carbon dioxide (leaves), oxygen (roots), nutrients, light and suitable support are all you need. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 13:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1510181317570.11725@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #153047 |
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:20:04 -0400 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? > > There's no moon soil, just dust which is pulverised rock. Soil is a > complex colony of organisms from worms to bacteria by way of mites and > fungal growths of various kinds. > All of that is covered in Robert Heinlein's "Farmer in the Sky" where they have created an atmosphere on Ganymede (I have no idea why there, except it's smaller so maybe less work needed to create the atmosphere) and each immigrant is reduced to farming. So they chew up volcanic rock, and then seed it with dirt brought up from earth, carefully cleaned of any living forms and then what's needed added back in. By mixing that real soil with the ground up volcanic rock, they get to spread the real dirt further. > OTOH it's long been known that you don't need soil to grow crops, > water, carbon dioxide (leaves), oxygen (roots), nutrients, light and > suitable support are all you need. > But that's not as romantic. Michael
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-18 11:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bab2f163-0c32-4625-a2b4-f364814f856b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #153044 |
On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil > to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. John Savard
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 07:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <177555715.466945722.652785.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #153052 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > >> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? > > I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants > in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 > astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. > > John Savard > Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. -- Pete
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| From | Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 09:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n02rmj$v3u$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #153063 |
On 19/10/2015 7:12 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass >> wrote: >> >>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock >>> and soil to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other >>> than water)? >> >> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt >> to grow plants in it, and they did very well. This was a news >> report shortly after the Apollo 11 astronauts returned to Earth, I >> believe. >> >> John Savard >> > > Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned > Moon base by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. > It is amazing how much innovation can happen once we get past all the deadlocked funding fights. Spacex moved space technology forward 40 years. NASA SLS is using shuttle spares. I am not suggesting to throw money at the problem but use innovative thinking for new technical ideas instead of solving fiscal survival. w..
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| From | Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 09:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n02s0u$9c$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #153063 |
On 19/10/2015 7:12 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >> >>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >> >> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants >> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 >> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >> >> John Savard >> > > Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base > by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. > Imagine how much easier a Mar's trip would be with 20 years or so of lunar testing behind us 2 days away from earth instead of assuming what will happen and going 1 to 2 years away. w..
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 11:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <457308230.466962387.899905.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #153068 |
Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote: > On 19/10/2015 7:12 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >>> >>>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >>>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >>> >>> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants >>> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 >>> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >>> >>> John Savard >>> >> >> Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base >> by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. >> > > Imagine how much easier a Mar's trip would be with 20 years or so of > lunar testing behind us 2 days away from earth instead of assuming what > will happen and going 1 to 2 years away. > exactly! Columbus was able to make a stop at the Azores on his way to America. -- Pete
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| From | "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-20 10:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <d8lbn1Fu9fhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #153075 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:457308230.466962387.899905.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote: >> On 19/10/2015 7:12 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and >>>>> soil >>>>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >>>> >>>> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to >>>> grow plants >>>> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the >>>> Apollo 11 >>>> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >>>> >>>> John Savard >>>> >>> >>> Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon >>> base >>> by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. >>> >> >> Imagine how much easier a Mar's trip would be with 20 years or so of >> lunar testing behind us 2 days away from earth instead of assuming what >> will happen and going 1 to 2 years away. >> > > exactly! Columbus was able to make a stop at the Azores on his way to > America. No point in doing that when going to Mars.
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| From | David Jones <djones60@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 07:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <afc741f1-5fa0-45b4-a149-aa4f2176b013@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #153063 |
On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 7:12:09 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote: > > On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > > > >> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil > >> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? > > > > I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants > > in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 > > astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. > > > > John Savard > > > > Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base > by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. > > -- > Pete I'll believe it when it happens.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 10:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n030ab$lle$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153063 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >> >>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >> >> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants >> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 >> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >> >> John Savard > > Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base > by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. Pointless competition. Besides that, given the formula: ESA + Russia > USA I say, so what? Are we now expecting Europe to launch missiles at us? As far as the moon, we've been there, there is nothing there worth going back to. We've also been to Mars (with robots), and there's nothing there either. It's a time for astronomy and some targeted interstellar launches. Yes, I know interstellar surveys take 1000s of years. So what. -- Dan Espen
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 10:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nt1a2bp6t1f2rt8ccdhlqtgb8bfojgvbkd@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #153070 |
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:58:18 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >>> >>>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >>>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >>> >>> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants >>> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 >>> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >>> >>> John Savard >> >> Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base >> by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. > >Pointless competition. > >Besides that, given the formula: > >ESA + Russia > USA > >I say, so what? Are we now expecting Europe to launch missiles at us? > >As far as the moon, we've been there, there is nothing there worth going >back to. We've also been to Mars (with robots), and there's nothing there either. > >It's a time for astronomy and some targeted interstellar launches. >Yes, I know interstellar surveys take 1000s of years. So what. So, some of your ancestors told Columbus to not waste his time ? -- JimP.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-19 11:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n031ue$thg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #153071 |
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:58:18 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> > wrote: > >>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did too. I'm very disappointed. Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil >>>>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)? >>>> >>>> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants >>>> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 >>>> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe. >>>> >>>> John Savard >>> >>> Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base >>> by 2030. Bye-bye US lead in space. >> >>Pointless competition. >> >>Besides that, given the formula: >> >>ESA + Russia > USA >> >>I say, so what? Are we now expecting Europe to launch missiles at us? >> >>As far as the moon, we've been there, there is nothing there worth going >>back to. We've also been to Mars (with robots), and there's nothing there either. >> >>It's a time for astronomy and some targeted interstellar launches. >>Yes, I know interstellar surveys take 1000s of years. So what. > > So, some of your ancestors told Columbus to not waste his time ? No, some of my ancestors came over after Columbus found out this was a good place to live. How could you have missed the distinction. I clearly said, "nothing there worth going back to". -- Dan Espen
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