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| Started by | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 341 — 35 participants |
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General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-26 14:06 +0000
Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 14:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 16:02 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 16:24 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-04-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 14:21 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-27 01:36 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2025-05-03 14:46 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0200
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-03 20:56 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:18 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 18:59 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-14 15:38 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-28 02:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 07:54 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:31 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:43 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 21:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-30 17:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-05-01 05:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 05:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-05-01 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:47 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:50 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:31 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:44 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:53 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 09:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:25 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:13 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 12:37 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:43 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 09:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:01 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:06 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 23:09 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 02:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 09:52 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 22:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-14 03:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 12:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:58 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-02 00:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:39 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 -0400
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:18 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-05-05 11:15 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 11:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 22:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:34 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 11:21 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:37 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 03:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:15 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-03 04:44 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:02 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 13:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:43 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:25 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:35 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:18 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:43 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:07 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:59 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 20:16 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:33 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:57 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 18:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:25 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 21:38 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:07 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:17 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:42 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:48 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 01:19 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:33 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:31 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:16 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 18:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 21:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 00:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:34 +0200
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:01 +0000
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:50 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:23 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:24 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 08:28 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 23:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:25 +0200
Re: all the news that, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:05 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 04:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:16 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... maus <maus@debian.deb3> - 2025-05-05 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 08:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:34 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:02 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-06 14:06 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 16:37 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:59 +0000
California toll road infection Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-07 11:16 -0700
Re: California toll road infection Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-07 17:57 -0400
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 00:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:27 +0000
cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:33 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-11 21:19 +0200
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 01:29 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-12 01:34 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 13:15 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-12 16:37 +0000
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:36 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-13 00:38 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:18 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-12 07:42 +0200
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:27 +0000
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-08 13:35 +0000
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:28 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:54 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-09 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-07 18:44 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-07 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:33 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-21 20:05 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:46 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:13 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:31 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2025-05-22 07:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 23:29 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 03:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 10:55 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:03 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 17:03 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 10:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-28 14:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 15:11 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 19:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 21:58 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-29 22:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-30 15:40 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 07:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 18:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:52 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-30 02:14 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:31 +0200
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:05 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 12:58 -0700
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:35 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:52 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:44 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 14:43 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 03:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 11:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 13:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 17:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 14:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-26 18:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-26 20:02 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 21:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 01:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 03:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-28 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:36 -0600
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 01:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Oscar Toledo G. <biyubi@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 01:26 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 17:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <m81lctFqqdjU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231019 |
On Tue, 06 May 2025 18:38:54 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > We had this in a couple of places where new bridges had been built. Some > people would go far out of their way to get to one of the older > non-tolled bridges, wastimg time and causing bottlenecks. Then the NDP > (a left-wing party) got in and dismantled the automatic tolling systems. > Too bad - it would have been fairer if they had just put a $1.00 toll on > all crossings, rather than $3.25 on the new ones and nothing on the > others. But this is the zany world of B.C. politics, where alternating > parties battle with each other over whether an existing tunnel should be > replaced by a bridge or another tunnel, and million-dollar studies are > thrown away with each regime change. My info is way out of date but at one time the bridges and tunnels around NYC had tolls going in but not coming out, or maybe the other way around. That made more sense than manning booths in both directions.
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| From | Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 11:16 -0700 |
| Subject | California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvg81c$15sep$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231032 |
The infection of Express Lanes started in Southern California and spread northward. Now, you see N-lane freeways with empty left lane(s) during rush times. Great for the police to zoom along on, not so great for everyone not wanting to pay five dollar tolls (or for now, having the money to buy an electric car). They've also bumped up the minimum for a 'multi-user' vehicle from 2 to 3 people.
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 17:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <mddtt5wnkxh.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231033 |
Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> writes:
> The infection of Express Lanes started in Southern California and
> spread northward. Now, you see N-lane freeways with empty left lane(s)
> during rush times. Great for the police to zoom along on, not so great
> for everyone not wanting to pay five dollar tolls (or for now, having
> the money to buy an electric car). They've also bumped up the minimum
> for a 'multi-user' vehicle from 2 to 3 people.
Several years ago the state of Washington made the inner lane(s) of I-405 into
HOV/toll lanes: Depending on TOD, 2 or more people in an auto can use them for
free, while single occupant (or 2 occupant if the minimum is 3+) pay a toll.
The prices have gone up every legislative session, but the toll lanes are just
as congested as ever, because the Microsofties and Amazonians making ridiculous
salaries can afford the $20 each way that they're now being charged.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 00:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvgt40$209i$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #231045 |
According to Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>: >The prices have gone up every legislative session, but the toll lanes are just >as congested as ever, because the Microsofties and Amazonians making ridiculous >salaries can afford the $20 each way that they're now being charged. So it's a rich nerd tax that they pay voluntarily. What's not to like? Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. If you have an EV you can get a sticker that lets you drive in the HOV lane on some NJ and NY roads but that ends in September. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-11 17:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvqmmh$bk4$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231050 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free >but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with them. The biggest slug route start/end point is the Pentagon. One southern end is some parking lot ~30 minutes+ in Occoquan but others exist. They are QUITE popular. -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-11 17:33 +0000 |
| Subject | cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvqn0s$lf7$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231077 |
In <vvqmmh$bk4$1@reader1.panix.com> David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> writes: >John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >>Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free >>but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. >On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often >called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug >locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with >them. >The biggest slug route start/end point is the Pentagon. One >southern end is some parking lot ~30 minutes+ in Occoquan but >others exist. Until a decade or so ago the George Washington Bridge had a hefty discount if you had 3 or more people in your car. So... potential passengers would hang out at bus stops near the bridge. Drivers would pick them up, thus getting the lower rate and.. the passengers would pay less (or even nothing...) compared to the bus crossing. So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-11 21:19 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <br97flx5p2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231078 |
On 2025-05-11 19:33, danny burstein wrote: > In <vvqmmh$bk4$1@reader1.panix.com> David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> writes: > >> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > >>> Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free >>> but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. > >> On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often >> called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug >> locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with >> them. > >> The biggest slug route start/end point is the Pentagon. One >> southern end is some parking lot ~30 minutes+ in Occoquan but >> others exist. > > Until a decade or so ago the George Washington Bridge had > a hefty discount if you had 3 or more people in your car. > > So... potential passengers would hang out at bus stops > near the bridge. Drivers would pick them up, thus getting > the lower rate and.. the passengers would pay less (or > even nothing...) compared to the bus crossing. > > So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... Wow. Why? :-o -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 01:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvriul$npn4$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231079 |
On Sun, 11 May 2025 21:19:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-11 19:33, danny burstein wrote: >> >> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... > > Wow. Why? :-o Might be an Anglo-Saxon thing.
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 01:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvrj7t$lho$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231080 |
On Sun, 11 May 2025 21:19:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-11 19:33, danny burstein wrote: >> >> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... > > Wow. Why? :-o The Port Authority of NY and NJ owns and operates the George Washington Bridge which crosses the Hudson River between Fort Lee, NJ, and Manhattan. The PANYNJ has its own highly paid police force (note tehy also run the three major airports). Why did the cops arrest these folk? Quite likely to get easy, pensionable, overtime... -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-12 13:15 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <ir19flxdbg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231081 |
On 2025-05-12 03:34, danny burstein wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2025 21:19:39 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-05-11 19:33, danny burstein wrote: >>> >>> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... >> >> Wow. Why? :-o > > The Port Authority of NY and NJ owns and operates > the George Washington Bridge which crosses the Hudson > River between Fort Lee, NJ, and Manhattan. > > The PANYNJ has its own highly paid police force (note > tehy also run the three major airports). Why did > the cops arrest these folk? Quite likely to get > easy, pensionable, overtime... But they must claim some law is being broken. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 16:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvt856$2mh0$2@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #231083 |
According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>: >>>> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... >>> >>> Wow. Why? :-o >> The PANYNJ has its own highly paid police force (note >> tehy also run the three major airports). Why did >> the cops arrest these folk? Quite likely to get >> easy, pensionable, overtime... > >But they must claim some law is being broken. Good question. Hitchhiking? Loitering? 39:4-59. Begging rides prohibited No person shall stand in a highway for the purpose of or while soliciting a ride from the operator of any vehicle other than an omnibus or a street car. I presume highway means the right of way, not just the travel lanes. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-39/section-39-4-59/ -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 22:36 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <um2aflx36m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231086 |
On 2025-05-12 18:37, John Levine wrote: > According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>: >>>>> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... >>>> >>>> Wow. Why? :-o >>> The PANYNJ has its own highly paid police force (note >>> tehy also run the three major airports). Why did >>> the cops arrest these folk? Quite likely to get >>> easy, pensionable, overtime... >> >> But they must claim some law is being broken. > > Good question. Hitchhiking? Loitering? > > 39:4-59. Begging rides prohibited > No person shall stand in a highway for the purpose of or while > soliciting a ride from the operator of any vehicle other than an > omnibus or a street car. > > I presume highway means the right of way, not just the travel lanes. > > https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-39/section-39-4-59/ Ah, interesting, you have a law against Hitchhiking, calling it "begging a ride". Maybe they can beg a ride at a gas/coffee stop? Here we can not stop at at a motorway, meaning those roads with two or more lanes for high speed, no intersections. No stop except emergencies, force majeur. Hitchhiking is not explicitly forbidden, AFAIK, just the stopping. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-13 00:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvu49g$n9h$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #231089 |
It appears that Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> said: >Ah, interesting, you have a law against Hitchhiking, calling it "begging >a ride". > >Maybe they can beg a ride at a gas/coffee stop? In this case, there's no point. There's no HOV lane so there's no incentive for drivers to pick people up. There is a bus stop at the bridge entrance with service every few minutes, fare $1.50. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 14:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: cops, was: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <OqnUP.43955$eAtc.17965@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #231079 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >On 2025-05-11 19:33, danny burstein wrote: >> In <vvqmmh$bk4$1@reader1.panix.com> David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> writes: >> >>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >> >>>> Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free >>>> but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. >> >>> On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often >>> called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug >>> locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with >>> them. >> >>> The biggest slug route start/end point is the Pentagon. One >>> southern end is some parking lot ~30 minutes+ in Occoquan but >>> others exist. >> >> Until a decade or so ago the George Washington Bridge had >> a hefty discount if you had 3 or more people in your car. >> >> So... potential passengers would hang out at bus stops >> near the bridge. Drivers would pick them up, thus getting >> the lower rate and.. the passengers would pay less (or >> even nothing...) compared to the bus crossing. >> >> So the Port Authority Police started arresting them.... > >Wow. Why? :-o Could be a number of reasons, including safety at the pickup and dropoff sites, interfering with bus operations, or they could just be pricks.
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| From | Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 07:42 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <9s132kpb7g4i5eu3s1f0j3nkispri2b1jv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #231077 |
On Sun, 11 May 2025 17:27:45 -0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: >On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often >called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug >locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with >them. I recall rush-hour hitchhikers in DC, among the federal buildings -- something like Constitution Ave and 23rd St.? Unusually for hitchhikers, clad in suits, ties, often holding an attaché case, standing strategically placed at a light where it's easy to be checked out, and a driver can reasonably pick up a person without stopping in traffic. Thomas Prufer
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 14:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <5pnUP.43954$eAtc.33378@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #231077 |
David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> writes: >John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > > >>Here in the mysterious east there are HOV lanes which are free >>but you need at least two or three people in the vehicle. > >On the DC to VA I-95 section, there are such. These are often >called "slug lanes" and there are informally designated slug >locations to wait for a car needing passengers to meet up with >them. They're called "casual carpools" when crossing the SF Bay Bridge, and are quite popular - particularly when BART is down.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 00:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <m82c3oFtvm5U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231033 |
On Wed, 7 May 2025 11:16:10 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > The infection of Express Lanes started in Southern California and spread > northward. Now, you see N-lane freeways with empty left lane(s) > during rush times. Great for the police to zoom along on, not so great > for everyone not wanting to pay five dollar tolls (or for now, having > the money to buy an electric car). They've also bumped up the minimum > for a 'multi-user' vehicle from 2 to 3 people. Leading to increased sales of inflatable dummies... Can bikes use the HOV lanes?
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 13:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <gq2TP.51964$v2h6.15799@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #231052 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >On Wed, 7 May 2025 11:16:10 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >> The infection of Express Lanes started in Southern California and spread >> northward. Now, you see N-lane freeways with empty left lane(s) >> during rush times. Great for the police to zoom along on, not so great >> for everyone not wanting to pay five dollar tolls (or for now, having >> the money to buy an electric car). They've also bumped up the minimum >> for a 'multi-user' vehicle from 2 to 3 people. > >Leading to increased sales of inflatable dummies... Can bikes use the HOV >lanes? Bikes don't need a lane in California, sadly.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 17:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvipj9$136j$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #231052 |
According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: >On Wed, 7 May 2025 11:16:10 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >> The infection of Express Lanes started in Southern California and spread >> northward. Now, you see N-lane freeways with empty left lane(s) >> during rush times. Great for the police to zoom along on, not so great >> for everyone not wanting to pay five dollar tolls (or for now, having >> the money to buy an electric car). They've also bumped up the minimum >> for a 'multi-user' vehicle from 2 to 3 people. > >Leading to increased sales of inflatable dummies... I gather that some well publicised expensive tickets that is uncommon. A more interesting case was in some midwestern state where a pregnant woman said her fetus was a person under state law, so there were two people in the car. Don't remember how that turned out. >Can bikes use the HOV lanes? Motorcycles can. Bicycles aren't allowed on freeways except for a few very rural ones that allow them on the shoulder because there is no other road to where they go. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 22:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: California toll road infection |
| Message-ID | <vvjcme$27gfo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231058 |
On Thu, 8 May 2025 17:28:09 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > A more interesting case was in some midwestern state where a > pregnant woman said her fetus was a person under state law, so there > were two people in the car. Don't remember how that turned out. That would make right-wingers’ heads explode, wouldn’t it? “Life begins at conception” for the purpose of denying women healthcare, but not for the purpose of issuing traffic fines!
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