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PL/I advertising

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
Last post2016-05-25 15:07 -0700
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  PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 14:06 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-05-24 14:22 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-24 16:39 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:47 +0200
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:00 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-25 13:30 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-05-25 16:12 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:13 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:19 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:33 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-26 12:07 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-26 16:22 -0400
                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-28 13:17 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:29 -0500
                    Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-29 10:03 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 15:16 +0200
                        Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-31 17:44 -0700
                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-31 19:22 -0700
                            Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-01 07:41 +0100
                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 10:49 +0200
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:36 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-29 15:30 +0100
                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:56 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 14:24 -0500
            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:54 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:50 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Larry <lelmore76@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:29 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 08:45 -0500
        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-25 17:58 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-25 22:04 -0400
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-26 00:31 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-26 10:07 +0200
              Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-29 17:55 +0100
            Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-26 15:57 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-26 20:00 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-27 11:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-27 15:49 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 20:28 +0200
                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-28 13:18 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-28 17:53 +0200
                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-29 13:38 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 16:33 +0200
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:52 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-05-31 14:10 -0700
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 22:19 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 07:53 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 12:08 +0200
                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-01 11:10 +0100
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 10:22 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 13:51 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:22 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:11 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-01 17:03 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 11:31 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:09 +0200
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:41 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 15:49 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 10:06 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:18 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:26 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:16 +0200
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:28 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 11:08 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:14 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 16:39 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 17:18 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:53 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 10:20 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 09:04 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 10:23 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:59 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:11 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 10:34 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 11:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:00 -0700
                                                                  Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-06-09 08:45 -0700
                                                                    Re: Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:19 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:36 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:17 +0200
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 15:06 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:05 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 10:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:18 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:24 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 22:41 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:54 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:23 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 07:23 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:36 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 09:58 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:25 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:21 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:40 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:09 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:44 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 21:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 21:03 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 21:00 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 06:08 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 09:39 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:33 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:14 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:50 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 07:33 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:39 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:53 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:19 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:19 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:00 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:54 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 09:23 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:10 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 17:58 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:31 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 20:37 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:09 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 14:32 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:18 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 13:57 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 06:59 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 08:33 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 11:00 -0700
                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:59 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:43 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-01 13:35 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-02 08:13 +0100
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-02 02:13 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-24 11:30 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-24 17:55 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-24 20:21 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 18:26 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-06-24 21:01 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 05:42 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 07:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:32 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:07 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:17 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 08:39 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-28 17:23 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 19:25 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-27 19:28 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:24 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 07:45 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 08:02 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:12 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 10:35 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 14:27 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 12:04 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 15:21 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-28 21:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-29 12:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:33 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-29 17:42 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 07:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:02 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:12 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 16:28 +0200
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-26 13:10 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-27 15:40 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-28 22:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-28 22:49 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-28 20:25 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-29 10:08 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-29 19:27 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-29 17:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 23:04 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:27 +0000
                                                  PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:20 -0400
                                                    Re: PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-06-28 00:22 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:47 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:46 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:45 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-01 16:09 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 12:57 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:17 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-02 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:51 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:16 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 20:24 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:48 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-02 20:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:25 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 07:50 +0100
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 10:36 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:38 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:25 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:10 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:28 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 12:59 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:44 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:40 -0700
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 10:16 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 07:37 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:38 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 06:16 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 07:12 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 08:52 +0100
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 14:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:46 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:03 +0200
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:50 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:39 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:30 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:27 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-06-05 10:04 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:20 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 09:40 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:40 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:51 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-04 15:40 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 16:25 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 17:59 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 19:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 12:31 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:51 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:13 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 13:24 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:44 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:14 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:07 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 22:22 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:37 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:19 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-03 17:04 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:54 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:03 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 12:08 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 10:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:51 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:06 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:05 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 15:25 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 06:12 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 09:45 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 07:42 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 13:24 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 10:01 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:48 +0100
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:29 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 14:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:47 -0400
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 07:58 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:30 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:13 +0100
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:04 +0100
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 13:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 14:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:17 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:21 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 14:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 09:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-08 12:00 +0000
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:33 -0700
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0500
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-08 12:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-08 19:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 18:17 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:50 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 09:56 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 12:39 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 12:28 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:02 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:27 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:28 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 21:02 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 03:04 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 22:42 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:26 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:07 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:39 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:39 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:51 -0500
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 22:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 18:21 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 23:02 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 23:57 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 09:25 +0100
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 20:18 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:44 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:49 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-09 07:03 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:42 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:32 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:04 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:08 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:13 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 10:00 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 18:42 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-05 17:53 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:51 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:45 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:53 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 22:06 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:33 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 14:00 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-07 13:19 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:34 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-08 00:28 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:10 -0400
                                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:14 +0000
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#165912

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-24 18:26 -0700
Message-ID<56ae67bf-fcd5-4fb2-899b-106bc4ad3be5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#165910
On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:21:27 PM UTC-6, Charles Richmond wrote:

> All of this is about Colossal Cave Adventure except the MDL.  MDL was the 
> language that Zork was first written in.  Colossal Cave Adventure was 
> originally written in FORTRAN IV.

And it was ported to PL/I, and it was that ported version which I first played, 
on MTS, before having the chance to play it on a home computer.

John Savard

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#165919

Fromisw <isw@witzend.com>
Date2016-06-24 21:01 -0700
Message-ID<isw-A7BB2B.21014324062016@news-roam.garlic.com>
In reply to#165912
In article <56ae67bf-fcd5-4fb2-899b-106bc4ad3be5@googlegroups.com>,
 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:21:27 PM UTC-6, Charles Richmond wrote:
> 
> > All of this is about Colossal Cave Adventure except the MDL.  MDL was the 
> > language that Zork was first written in.  Colossal Cave Adventure was 
> > originally written in FORTRAN IV.
> 
> And it was ported to PL/I, and it was that ported version which I first 
> played, 
> on MTS, before having the chance to play it on a home computer.

I first ran across it about 1978 or '79 while working at Pertec (this 
was right after they had bought MITS). I saw it at a trade show running 
on some sort of time-share system, and mentioned it to a visiting friend 
who worked for DEC. He said they had it running on a PDP-10 (I think) in 
his lab. I asked him about the possibility of getting a copy so I could 
run it on my CP/M system (I had a fortran compiler from my work at 
Pertec). He laughed in that DEC-is-superior-to-whatever-you-have way and 
said that such a thing was totally impossible, that it took way more 
processor than a mere Z-80 and hugely more than 56k(!) of memory.

Of course, lots of us had gone to the same trade show, so we were 
talking about it at work too. So, it was interesting when, a few days 
later, one of the software guys was handing out 8" floppies to a select 
few. Worked fine, but was a bit slow because it had to hit the disk for 
everything.

I believe it was the full 500 point version, but I have no idea what 
language it was written in, or how many generations of porting it had 
been through.

Isaac

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#165920

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-06-25 05:42 +0000
Message-ID<nkl5kh01dck@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#165919
On 2016-06-25, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <56ae67bf-fcd5-4fb2-899b-106bc4ad3be5@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:21:27 PM UTC-6, Charles Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> All of this is about Colossal Cave Adventure except the MDL.  MDL was the 
>>> language that Zork was first written in.  Colossal Cave Adventure was 
>>> originally written in FORTRAN IV.
>> 
>> And it was ported to PL/I, and it was that ported version which I first 
>> played, 
>> on MTS, before having the chance to play it on a home computer.
>
> I first ran across it about 1978 or '79 while working at Pertec (this 
> was right after they had bought MITS). I saw it at a trade show running 
> on some sort of time-share system, and mentioned it to a visiting friend 
> who worked for DEC. He said they had it running on a PDP-10 (I think) in 
> his lab.

My first encounter with Adventure was some time in the late '70s when
a friend of mine, who was doing some contract work in a shop running a
DECsystem 2020 (or whatever it was called) phoned me at work and said
that I absolutely MUST come over after work and see this wonderful new
game.  I went over and we spent most of the night playing with it.

I later got my hands on a DEC .SAV tape with a PDP-11 binary, which
inspired me to try to write a PDP-11 emulator for the Univac 90/30
so I could play it.  I managed to emulate the machine instructions
(and was highly impressed with the elegance of the architecture),
but the supervisor calls stumped me.

Later I got hold of FORTRAN source code for both Adventure and
Dungeon, and ported them to the 90/30, which is how I first
completed both games.  (I did have to cheat and read the source
code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)

-- 
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#165922

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2016-06-25 07:38 +0000
Message-ID<dt6qo9F9enrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#165920
On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

[35 lines snipped]

>(I did have to cheat and read the source
> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)

Didn't everyone?

-- 
Today is Sweetmorn, the 30th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#165956

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
Message-ID<PM0005361991FBB2ED@aca41cce.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#165922
Huge wrote:
> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
> [35 lines snipped]
>
>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>
> Didn't everyone?
>
Here we go again...No.

/BAH

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#165957

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2016-06-25 14:32 +0000
Message-ID<dt7j08FdpeuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#165956
On 2016-06-25, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Huge wrote:
>> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> [35 lines snipped]
>>
>>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>>
>> Didn't everyone?
>>
> Here we go again...No.

There's no other way to obtain the point, unless someone tells you
how to get it.

-- 
Today is Sweetmorn, the 30th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#166013

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2016-06-27 16:07 -0400
Message-ID<mddinwu9z0d.fsf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#165922
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> [35 lines snipped]

>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)

> Didn't everyone?

No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You just
have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing stupid things,
to get that point.

-- 
Rich Alderson                                   news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
       omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam pervenivemus.
								      --Galen

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#166020

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2016-06-27 21:17 +0000
Message-ID<dtdjfrFlemoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#166013
On 2016-06-27, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> [35 lines snipped]
>
>>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>
>> Didn't everyone?
>
> No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You just
> have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing stupid things,
> to get that point.

Not sure how "keeping on doing stupid things" (presumably for months) can
be described as "smart". Still, you keep right on believing that, I'm sure
it's very reassuring to you.


-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 32nd day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#166043

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
Message-ID<PM000536556572BE02@aca4805c.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#166020
Huge wrote:
> On 2016-06-27, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> [35 lines snipped]
>>
>>>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>>>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>>
>>> Didn't everyone?
>>
>> No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You just
>> have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing stupid
things,
>> to get that point.
>
> Not sure how "keeping on doing stupid things" (presumably for months) can
> be described as "smart". Still, you keep right on believing that, I'm sure
> it's very reassuring to you.

That's how reproducing a really pesky bug is done.  It's not stupidity but
a method of elimination which seems random but is not.

/BAH

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#166048

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-06-28 08:39 -0400
Message-ID<321331733.488810217.987342.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#166043
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Huge wrote:
>> On 2016-06-27, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [35 lines snipped]
>>> 
>>>>> (I did have to cheat and read the source
>>>>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>>> 
>>>> Didn't everyone?
>>> 
>>> No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You just
>>> have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing stupid
> things,
>>> to get that point.
>> 
>> Not sure how "keeping on doing stupid things" (presumably for months) can
>> be described as "smart". Still, you keep right on believing that, I'm sure
>> it's very reassuring to you.
> 
> That's how reproducing a really pesky bug is done.  It's not stupidity but
> a method of elimination which seems random but is not.
> 

It can be considered a binary search. "Is it hardware or software?"  If
software is it the OS or the application, etc.

-- 
Pete

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#166065

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-06-28 17:23 +0000
Message-ID<nkubqn21mkd@news6.newsguy.com>
In reply to#166048
On 2016-06-28, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Huge wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure how "keeping on doing stupid things" (presumably for months) can
>>> be described as "smart". Still, you keep right on believing that, I'm sure
>>> it's very reassuring to you.
>> 
>> That's how reproducing a really pesky bug is done.  It's not stupidity but
>> a method of elimination which seems random but is not.
>
> It can be considered a binary search. "Is it hardware or software?"  If
> software is it the OS or the application, etc.

In one shop we applied the binary search quite nicely to hardware.
We had two nearly identical machines side by side, and one of them
had a problem that normal testing wouldn't reveal.  So the CEs
swapped half the circuit boards between the machines to see whether
the problem moved.  They were able to do a binary search down to the
failing board.

-- 
/~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)
\ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.
 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
/ \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!

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#166024

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-06-27 19:25 -0400
Message-ID<nksckf$p20$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166013
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:

> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> [35 lines snipped]
>
>>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>
>> Didn't everyone?
>
> No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You
> just have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing
> stupid things, to get that point.

The magic word is xyzzy.  Supposedly because the author was considering
working at Xerox.

How is being smart going help?

-- 
Dan Espen

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#166025

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-27 19:28 -0700
Message-ID<1458b5ef-83e0-48eb-935b-a47c5f4ecd37@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166024
On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 5:25:04 PM UTC-6, D_J_E wrote:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
> > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
> >> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> [35 lines snipped]
> >
> >>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
> >>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
> >
> >> Didn't everyone?
> >
> > No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You
> > just have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing
> > stupid things, to get that point.
> 
> The magic word is xyzzy.  Supposedly because the author was considering
> working at Xerox.

That's an earlier magic word, blast it! He's talking about the last point, not 
just getting into the first part of the game.

In the case of xyzzy, you don't have to guess it, "Magic word XYZZY" is written 
on a wall.

John Savard

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#166026

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-06-27 23:16 -0400
Message-ID<nksq69$ugo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166025
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 5:25:04 PM UTC-6, D_J_E wrote:
>> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
>> > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>> >> On 2016-06-25, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> [35 lines snipped]
>> >
>> >>>(I did have to cheat and read the source
>> >>> code to figure out that last point in Adventure, though.)
>> >
>> >> Didn't everyone?
>> >
>> > No.  Some of us are smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.  You
>> > just have to die enough times doing stupid things, and keep on doing
>> > stupid things, to get that point.
>> 
>> The magic word is xyzzy.  Supposedly because the author was considering
>> working at Xerox.
>
> That's an earlier magic word, blast it! He's talking about the last point, not 
> just getting into the first part of the game.
>
> In the case of xyzzy, you don't have to guess it, "Magic word XYZZY" is written 
> on a wall.

Ah, so I wasn't smart enough to find the wall...

Never really played the game that much,
I found Rogue and then Nethack more my speed.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#165945

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2016-06-25 07:24 -0500
Message-ID<nklt6n$lc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#165919
"isw" <isw@witzend.com> wrote in message 
news:isw-A7BB2B.21014324062016@news-roam.garlic.com...
> In article <56ae67bf-fcd5-4fb2-899b-106bc4ad3be5@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:21:27 PM UTC-6, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>
>> > All of this is about Colossal Cave Adventure except the MDL.  MDL was 
>> > the
>> > language that Zork was first written in.  Colossal Cave Adventure was
>> > originally written in FORTRAN IV.
>>
>> And it was ported to PL/I, and it was that ported version which I first
>> played,
>> on MTS, before having the chance to play it on a home computer.
>
> I first ran across it about 1978 or '79 while working at Pertec (this
> was right after they had bought MITS). I saw it at a trade show running
> on some sort of time-share system, and mentioned it to a visiting friend
> who worked for DEC. He said they had it running on a PDP-10 (I think) in
> his lab. I asked him about the possibility of getting a copy so I could
> run it on my CP/M system (I had a fortran compiler from my work at
> Pertec). He laughed in that DEC-is-superior-to-whatever-you-have way and
> said that such a thing was totally impossible, that it took way more
> processor than a mere Z-80 and hugely more than 56k(!) of memory.
>
> Of course, lots of us had gone to the same trade show, so we were
> talking about it at work too. So, it was interesting when, a few days
> later, one of the software guys was handing out 8" floppies to a select
> few. Worked fine, but was a bit slow because it had to hit the disk for
> everything.
>
> I believe it was the full 500 point version, but I have no idea what
> language it was written in, or how many generations of porting it had
> been through.
>

There are *many* versions of Colossal Cave Adventure.  The original version 
was the 350-point version that was released in 1977 by Don Woods.  Later 
Woods did a 430-point version himself.  (The Willie Crowther version from 
1976 was *not* what one would call Adventure... it lacked most of the 
fantasy elements.)

Here is an attempt at a Colossal Cave Adventure family tree:

http://advent.jenandcal.familyds.org/


And the Wikipedia page has much info as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com


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#165961

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-25 07:45 -0700
Message-ID<0d23d9e4-6d11-4057-beb1-2acbaf598da4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#165919
On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-6, isw wrote:
 
> I believe it was the full 500 point version,

The 350 point version was the original. The 500 point version was someone else's 
extension - written in C. So it's not really correct to call that extended 
version the "full" version.

John Savard

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#165963

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-25 08:02 -0700
Message-ID<5408c716-e6fc-4e4c-9589-515b6aab2d09@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#165961
On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 8:45:48 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-6, isw wrote:
>  
> > I believe it was the full 500 point version,
> 
> The 350 point version was the original. The 500 point version was someone else's 
> extension - written in C. So it's not really correct to call that extended 
> version the "full" version.

Speaking of 500-point Adventure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uikZv3PYd6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5ok_Ju_MY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKq8DkBk_GA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12SFOig2vq0

John Savard

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#166015

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2016-06-27 16:12 -0400
Message-ID<mddfury9ysr.fsf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#165961
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-6, isw wrote:

>> I believe it was the full 500 point version,

> The 350 point version was the original. The 500 point version was someone
> else's extension - written in C. So it's not really correct to call that
> extended version the "full" version.

Wrong, John.  The 500 point version was an extension of the 351 point FORTRAN
version, done by Dave Long of the University of Chicago Graduate School of
Business computer facility.  (I knew Dave.)  Dave is the person responsible for
changing a perfectly appropriate Balrog into a fucking Wumpus.

Any port to C came much much later.

-- 
Rich Alderson                                   news@alderson.users.panix.com
    Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
       omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam pervenivemus.
								      --Galen

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#166042

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
Message-ID<PM000536555C604832@aca4805c.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#166015
Rich Alderson wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-6, isw wrote:
>
>>> I believe it was the full 500 point version,
>
>> The 350 point version was the original. The 500 point version was someone
>> else's extension - written in C. So it's not really correct to call that
>> extended version the "full" version.
>
> Wrong, John.  The 500 point version was an extension of the 351 point
FORTRAN
> version, done by Dave Long of the University of Chicago Graduate School of
> Business computer facility.  (I knew Dave.)  Dave is the person responsible
for
> changing a perfectly appropriate Balrog into a fucking Wumpus.

ROTFLMAO.

>
> Any port to C came much much later.
>
/BAH

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#166066

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-28 10:35 -0700
Message-ID<eb50e7ba-5ea6-4b97-83b2-2a46f3412031@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166015
On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 2:12:05 PM UTC-6, Rich Alderson wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> 
> > On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-6, isw wrote:
> 
> >> I believe it was the full 500 point version,
> 
> > The 350 point version was the original. The 500 point version was someone
> > else's extension - written in C. So it's not really correct to call that
> > extended version the "full" version.
> 
> Wrong, John.  The 500 point version was an extension of the 351 point FORTRAN
> version, done by Dave Long of the University of Chicago Graduate School of
> Business computer facility.  (I knew Dave.)  Dave is the person responsible for
> changing a perfectly appropriate Balrog into a fucking Wumpus.
> 
> Any port to C came much much later.

So while my _main_ point was right - the 500 point version wasn't the "full" 
version of the original Adventure, but something tacked on to the real 350 
point Adventure by a third party - I was wrong in thinking that happened 
together with the conversion to C.

As for a Wumpus instead of a Balrog, I suppose that was because Gregory Yob 
could afford fewer lawyers than the Tolkien estate. Of course, I once owned the 
pocket "Dungeons & Dragons" game that was essentially a version of Hunt the 
Wumpus... played on a 10 by 10 grid.

Which was ironic, if you read the original Creative Computing article in which 
Hunt the Wumpus was described - he invented the game, with the Wumpus on the 
vertices of a dodecahedron, to get away from the 10 by 10 grid used by so many 
BASIC games of the era.

John Savard

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