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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300 |
| Last post | 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 381 — 58 participants |
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DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 15:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 10:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-01-26 14:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-26 17:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 10:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 16:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-25 11:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-01-25 16:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 17:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2016-01-25 19:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:15 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 13:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-26 08:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 11:32 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-01-27 19:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2016-01-27 22:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 15:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 23:55 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-27 21:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:00 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 21:02 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:03 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 20:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 10:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-29 23:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 03:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:25 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-01 17:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 21:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 00:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 03:04 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 23:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:24 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:12 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-05 02:51 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 10:47 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 10:21 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-06 08:06 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 10:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 04:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-17 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-05 20:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-05 23:12 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-06 01:34 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 07:39 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 14:02 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 10:01 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 11:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:14 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:08 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-05 19:05 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 21:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 21:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 02:59 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:38 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 18:58 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 17:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-26 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 09:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 11:41 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 12:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 15:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 07:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 21:16 +0200
Re: DEC and The Americans "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-28 10:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-03 00:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-06 11:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-06 18:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 15:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-07 05:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-07 11:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-07 11:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-07 20:06 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:06 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:52 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:56 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 12:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 16:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:08 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:10 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-04 13:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 14:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-05 14:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 10:34 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:08 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 15:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-06 14:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-07 12:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-07 19:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:11 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:43 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-06 13:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 14:22 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:52 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-06 16:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 20:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 06:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:10 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-07 19:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:16 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:22 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 11:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-09 13:55 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 16:13 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:49 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-07 12:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:09 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:56 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:59 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 14:38 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 15:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:17 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:03 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-09 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 10:36 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 02:52 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-11 11:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:58 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-11 21:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-11 17:07 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-11 15:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-11 17:56 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-12 00:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:04 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2016-02-12 23:19 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-16 15:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 15:35 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-11 17:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-11 22:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-12 12:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 07:23 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-12 14:50 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 01:39 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:17 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:50 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-13 08:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:54 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 19:06 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 03:50 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-14 14:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 07:35 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:37 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 05:09 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 17:05 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 18:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-14 19:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 17:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-15 03:08 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-15 08:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 10:07 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 16:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:43 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-14 22:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 00:36 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 21:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 09:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:04 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 14:57 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2016-02-17 01:08 +0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 18:55 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-14 15:24 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-14 21:40 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 11:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-15 10:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-15 06:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-14 17:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-14 18:13 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-15 21:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-15 23:45 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-15 21:00 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-16 09:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-16 15:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-13 16:47 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-13 18:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-13 22:05 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-13 16:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-13 18:05 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans roger.ivie@gmail.com - 2016-02-13 11:18 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-02-15 22:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-15 23:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:44 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:18 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-09 18:42 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Warren Adams <adamswa@hiwaay.net> - 2016-02-08 17:00 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-09 03:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-08 08:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 16:50 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:13 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 11:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 18:26 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:16 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 19:01 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-10 07:34 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-11 04:30 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:03 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 15:51 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-11 18:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-12 08:13 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-12 12:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:46 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-12 12:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:33 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-01-25 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-25 11:18 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 06:14 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 17:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 10:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:40 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:12 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 16:20 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:37 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:58 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:03 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Evan Koblentz <ekoblentz@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 09:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 17:31 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-28 10:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 07:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 10:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 21:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 12:48 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-31 11:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-02 15:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:40 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 17:11 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans bleep@compy.0-0 (Colonel Bleep) - 2016-01-30 07:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000
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| From | roger.ivie@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 11:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a09f0547-6aa1-40a2-b00b-7a1830734ced@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159248 |
On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, ma...@mail.com wrote: > A pub, central Dublin, many years go, TV was in its infancy. > "Do you want to see something special" > Assembled lumpenprolatriot, > "Yes", > "Well, get me a pint and a packet of crisps" > Pint was produced, and the packet of crisps, and a plate. > Crisps were put on the plate. A match was applied, gingerley , to the > crisps. Whoosh, the crisps went up in a flash. > We all thought "Abd we eat this?" Many years ago, there was a science show on PBS that used the jelly doughnut as its standard unit of energy. At least one show ended with the host warming his hands over a pile of burning jelly doughnuts. -- roger ivie roger.ivie@gmail.com
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| From | Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 22:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <proto-3FAA16.22192015022016@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #159255 |
In article <a09f0547-6aa1-40a2-b00b-7a1830734ced@googlegroups.com>, roger.ivie@gmail.com wrote: > Many years ago, there was a science show on PBS that used the jelly doughnut > as its standard unit of energy. At least one show ended with the host warming > his hands over a pile of burning jelly doughnuts. Yesterday I saw two thin people carrying a Dunkin Doughnuts bag. Shows metabolisms vary between people.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-15 23:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n9u9ft$gle$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159462 |
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> writes: > In article <a09f0547-6aa1-40a2-b00b-7a1830734ced@googlegroups.com>, > roger.ivie@gmail.com wrote: > >> Many years ago, there was a science show on PBS that used the jelly doughnut >> as its standard unit of energy. At least one show ended with the host warming >> his hands over a pile of burning jelly doughnuts. > > Yesterday I saw two thin people carrying a Dunkin Doughnuts bag. Shows > metabolisms vary between people. 2 days ago I had the Dunkin Donuts Valentines Day Jelly Doughnut (shaped like a heart, covered in icing). Best jelly doughnut EVER. -- Dan Espen
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 04:44 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <di3vknFg5hhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159148 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B7E94B969D8@aca41ec9.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052B69D8F8E8E1@aca446e2.ipt.aol.com... >>> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>>>Andy Burns wrote: >>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they were plastics. >>>>>> >>>>>> Over 10 years ago I bought some 3D printed "mathematical art", I >>>>>> understand they're made from layers of powdered steel that's sintered >>>>>> by >>>>>> laser, then the resulting form is soaked in bronze and polished by >>>>>> hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process> >>>>> >>>>>I'd forgotten about laser. I was thinking of metals like I saw >>>>>when my grade school class spent a day at Ford Motors. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There has been a fair amount of progress in the last fifty years. >>>> >>>> You'd likely not recognize a modern automobile manufacturing facility. >>> >>> I don't think they roll their own metal sheets anymore...right? >>> It's really too bad that companies can't show their methods to >>> school kids. >> >> They do, in docos like Ultimate Factories and Megafactories, >> and show you a hell of a lot more, and a hell of a lot better >> than any visit by a group of school kids can ever do. > TV doesn't provide the sounds, smells, nor temperatures of a > production line. Yes, but does provide a hell of a lot better overview of what the production line is about, and allows a much better view of what is happening, particularly in parts of the machine where its not possible to see when on a tour, because it has to run with the covers over that area for the safety of people in the area etc. > NOr does it give a body a sense of the size of a production plant. Yes, but the fundamentals of what the production line is doing and how it does it is much more important than any of the stuff that a tour does better. You really need to watch those docos to see how much better the best of them do that stuff. And you get to see the designers explaining why things were done that way, something no tour group ever gets.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B92BD080E3F@aca41049.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159154 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052B7E94B969D8@aca41ec9.ipt.aol.com... >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00052B69D8F8E8E1@aca446e2.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>>>>Andy Burns wrote: >>>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they were plastics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Over 10 years ago I bought some 3D printed "mathematical art", I >>>>>>> understand they're made from layers of powdered steel that's sintered >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> laser, then the resulting form is soaked in bronze and polished by >>>>>>> hand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'd forgotten about laser. I was thinking of metals like I saw >>>>>>when my grade school class spent a day at Ford Motors. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There has been a fair amount of progress in the last fifty years. >>>>> >>>>> You'd likely not recognize a modern automobile manufacturing facility. >>>> >>>> I don't think they roll their own metal sheets anymore...right? >>>> It's really too bad that companies can't show their methods to >>>> school kids. >>> >>> They do, in docos like Ultimate Factories and Megafactories, >>> and show you a hell of a lot more, and a hell of a lot better >>> than any visit by a group of school kids can ever do. > >> TV doesn't provide the sounds, smells, nor temperatures of a >> production line. > > Yes, but does provide a hell of a lot better overview of what the > production line is about, and allows a much better view of what > is happening, particularly in parts of the machine where its not > possible to see when on a tour, because it has to run with the > covers over that area for the safety of people in the area etc. Well, "safety" is why tourists aren't allowed. > >> NOr does it give a body a sense of the size of a production plant. > > Yes, but the fundamentals of what the production line is doing > and how it does it is much more important than any of the stuff > that a tour does better. You really need to watch those docos to > see how much better the best of them do that stuff. Kids watch adults doing work. That's how they learn. 2-D videos give very little information about doing the work. > > And you get to see the designers explaining why things > were done that way, something no tour group ever gets. All we had to do was ask the tour guide. The tour guides we had were people who did the actual work. while the tour guide was talking, we could watch what s/he was talking about. 2-D presentations have some information but nothing like seeing it done in person. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-13 05:18 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <di6m0cF6qhcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159184 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B92BD080E3F@aca41049.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052B7E94B969D8@aca41ec9.ipt.aol.com... >>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00052B69D8F8E8E1@aca446e2.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>>>>>Andy Burns wrote: >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they were plastics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Over 10 years ago I bought some 3D printed "mathematical art", I >>>>>>>> understand they're made from layers of powdered steel that's >>>>>>>> sintered >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> laser, then the resulting form is soaked in bronze and polished by >>>>>>>> hand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'd forgotten about laser. I was thinking of metals like I saw >>>>>>>when my grade school class spent a day at Ford Motors. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There has been a fair amount of progress in the last fifty years. >>>>>> >>>>>> You'd likely not recognize a modern automobile manufacturing >>>>>> facility. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think they roll their own metal sheets anymore...right? >>>>> It's really too bad that companies can't show their methods to >>>>> school kids. >>>> >>>> They do, in docos like Ultimate Factories and Megafactories, >>>> and show you a hell of a lot more, and a hell of a lot better >>>> than any visit by a group of school kids can ever do. >> >>> TV doesn't provide the sounds, smells, nor temperatures of a >>> production line. >> >> Yes, but does provide a hell of a lot better overview of what the >> production line is about, and allows a much better view of what >> is happening, particularly in parts of the machine where its not >> possible to see when on a tour, because it has to run with the >> covers over that area for the safety of people in the area etc. > > Well, "safety" is why tourists aren't allowed. They still are allowed in quite a few. What I was referring to was safety of the people working there. One of the docos that involved the manufacture of Coco Cola glass bottles in Europe ran the line that produces the bottles with the covers off so you could see what was happening. That normally runs with the covers on for the safety of those working there because you do get some breakages of the hot bottles as they are made. No tours would ever see what that doco showed for that reason. >>> NOr does it give a body a sense of the size of a production plant. >> >> Yes, but the fundamentals of what the production line is doing >> and how it does it is much more important than any of the stuff >> that a tour does better. You really need to watch those docos to >> see how much better the best of them do that stuff. > > Kids watch adults doing work. That's how they learn. They don’t have to watch them do that in person. Even during WW2 lots of the training was done using movies etc instead of in person. > 2-D videos give very little information about doing the work. BULLSHIT. Vast quantitys of stuff on youtube that does that very effectively indeed. >> And you get to see the designers explaining why things >> were done that way, something no tour group ever gets. > All we had to do was ask the tour guide. The tour guide isnt the DESIGNER who can explain why its done like that. > The tour guides we had were people who did the actual work. But didn’t DESIGN what was being made or design the manufacturing process either. > while the tour guide was talking, we could > watch what s/he was talking about. Same with a well done doco. > 2-D presentations have some information Much more info than any tour can ever have. > but nothing like seeing it done in person. Just different, that's all. And with dangerous stuff like testing an Abrahams tank after its been made, nothing like what you can get from the best of the docos.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 18:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <i0lpoc-c21.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #159093 |
In article <PM00052B56CF8F37B1@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Andy Burns wrote: >> jmfbahciv wrote: >> >>> Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they were plastics. >> >> Over 10 years ago I bought some 3D printed "mathematical art", I >> understand they're made from layers of powdered steel that's sintered by >> laser, then the resulting form is soaked in bronze and polished by hand. >> >> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt> >> >> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process> > >I'd forgotten about laser. I was thinking of metals like I saw >when my grade school class spent a day at Ford Motors. There are many types. Ion deposition directs a plastma beam in a vacuum. Very solid result and great precision, but ultra slow. Powder of some easily melted metal, like an aluminium alloy, can be sent in a beam similarly. Lots faster, not so strong or accurate. Then there are lots of laser tricks to do in between these extremes. I particularly like the concrete 20x20 meter printers made in the Netherlands. They print houses. Rather nice ones too. -- mrr
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B69D2E64869@aca446e2.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159115 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <PM00052B56CF8F37B1@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Andy Burns wrote: >>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>> >>>> Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they were plastics. >>> >>> Over 10 years ago I bought some 3D printed "mathematical art", I >>> understand they're made from layers of powdered steel that's sintered by >>> laser, then the resulting form is soaked in bronze and polished by hand. >>> >>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt> >>> >>> <https://www.bathsheba.com/sculpt/process> >> >>I'd forgotten about laser. I was thinking of metals like I saw >>when my grade school class spent a day at Ford Motors. > > There are many types. > > Ion deposition directs a plastma beam in a vacuum. Very solid result > and great precision, but ultra slow. > > Powder of some easily melted metal, like an aluminium alloy, can be > sent in a beam similarly. Lots faster, not so strong or accurate. > > Then there are lots of laser tricks to do in between these extremes. > > I particularly like the concrete 20x20 meter printers made in > the Netherlands. They print houses. Rather nice ones too. Houses?!!! Kewl. I'm assuming that the printer is outside the house after it's done....? /BAH
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 21:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbi10g.55b.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159036 |
On 2016-02-08, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>> Quick rundown. >>>> >>>> A one-axis machine tool can move the work, or the cutter, in a line. >>>> Think an old fashioned sawmill as one example. This isn't very useful >>>> so as far as I know few one-axis autoamated machines were made other >>>> than for testing actuation mechanisms and the like. >>>> >>> >>>Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>they all hooked up to a computer? >> >> Note that this is known as subtractive manufacturing (start with a >> large hunk of material and subtract the parts you don't want). >> >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. Uses >> less raw material, produces less waste, is faster and requires less final >> finishing and is capable of producing hollow parts, something that most >> milling machines have difficulties with. > > Ah! More detail. thanks. Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they > were plastics. > > /BAH Special ones can. Think gazonga dollars. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Warren Adams <adamswa@hiwaay.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 17:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <uvCdnT7IQtO4gyTLnZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2> |
| In reply to | #159036 |
On 2/8/2016 8:28 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>> Quick rundown. >>>> >>>> A one-axis machine tool can move the work, or the cutter, in a line. >>>> Think an old fashioned sawmill as one example. This isn't very useful >>>> so as far as I know few one-axis autoamated machines were made other >>>> than for testing actuation mechanisms and the like. >>>> >>>> Two axis, it can move in two directions. This allows a variety of cuts >>>> to be made automatically with a single depth of cut. If you cut all the >>>> way through the work piece then you've got it cut to shape, if you go >>>> only part way through then you've got a cover or a housing, or the like. >>>> >>>> Three axis, it can move in three directions--that means that you can cut >>>> a shape of arbitrary complexity as long as it's all right for the cut to >>>> be not quite smooth. A skilled programmer who makes careful use of the >>>> available cutter shapes can make a remarkable range of objects with a 3- >>>> axis machine. >>>> >>>> Four axis adds rotation, either about one of the translation axes or >>>> possibly about another axis. Now smooth curved cuts can be made in one >>>> direction. >>>> >>>> Five axis addes a second rotation, allowing smooth curved cuts in two >>>> planes--this allows very complex shapes to be made smoothly. >>> >>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> they all hooked up to a computer? >> >> Note that this is known as subtractive manufacturing (start with a >> large hunk of material and subtract the parts you don't want). >> >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. Uses >> less raw material, produces less waste, is faster and requires less final >> finishing and is capable of producing hollow parts, something that most >> milling machines have difficulties with. > > Ah! More detail. thanks. Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they > were plastics. > > /BAH > A few links about 3d printing: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/technology/manufacturing-materials-3d/index.html
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 03:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1bCdnWY5YJHqxyTLnZ2dnUU78WmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #159036 |
On 08/02/2016 14:28, jmfbahciv wrote: > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>> J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>> Quick rundown. >>>> >>>> A one-axis machine tool can move the work, or the cutter, in a line. >>>> Think an old fashioned sawmill as one example. This isn't very useful >>>> so as far as I know few one-axis autoamated machines were made other >>>> than for testing actuation mechanisms and the like. >>>> >>>> Two axis, it can move in two directions. This allows a variety of cuts >>>> to be made automatically with a single depth of cut. If you cut all the >>>> way through the work piece then you've got it cut to shape, if you go >>>> only part way through then you've got a cover or a housing, or the like. >>>> >>>> Three axis, it can move in three directions--that means that you can cut >>>> a shape of arbitrary complexity as long as it's all right for the cut to >>>> be not quite smooth. A skilled programmer who makes careful use of the >>>> available cutter shapes can make a remarkable range of objects with a 3- >>>> axis machine. >>>> >>>> Four axis adds rotation, either about one of the translation axes or >>>> possibly about another axis. Now smooth curved cuts can be made in one >>>> direction. >>>> >>>> Five axis addes a second rotation, allowing smooth curved cuts in two >>>> planes--this allows very complex shapes to be made smoothly. >>> >>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> they all hooked up to a computer? >> >> Note that this is known as subtractive manufacturing (start with a >> large hunk of material and subtract the parts you don't want). >> >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. Uses >> less raw material, produces less waste, is faster and requires less final >> finishing and is capable of producing hollow parts, something that most >> milling machines have difficulties with. > > Ah! More detail. thanks. Can 3D printer do metals? I had assume they > were plastics. > > /BAH > Some 3D printers can produce metal parts. It either makes a mould for casting the item or a laser melts powdered metal. These machines tend to be expensive so rarely used by hobbyists.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 08:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <86d5dd59-0bca-4518-93a4-1e0e0c0ed676@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159031 |
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: > It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with > nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more expensive than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in structural strength. Of course, one can choose which of these flaws one experiences... more expensive 3D printers no doubt do a better job. John Savard
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 16:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6E3uy.367082$9A4.340499@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #159043 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: >On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. > >Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more expensive >than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in structural strength. I guess GE is unaware of this, since they're making jet engine turbine blades using additive manufacturing. http://www.ge.com/stories/advanced-manufacturing
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| From | cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 16:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ah10$nl1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159045 |
In article <6E3uy.367082$9A4.340499@fx40.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: >>On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >>> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >>> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. >> >>Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more >expensive >>than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in >structural strength. > >I guess GE is unaware of this, since they're making jet engine turbine blades >using additive manufacturing. > >http://www.ge.com/stories/advanced-manufacturing Also a lovely example video of both 3D printing of metal, and 5-axis milling of the result - all in the same machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8sT8ESfjrg // Christian
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <792dncBR5vVKdSXLnZ2dnUU78aGdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #159047 |
Christian Brunschen wrote: > a lovely example video of both 3D printing of metal, > and 5-axis milling of the result - all in the same machine: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8sT8ESfjrg That's an impressive machine, I wonder how many noughts?
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 11:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <9rjhbbtl6dc27og7dm2cf7d081nb8aoibf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159043 |
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:14:50 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. > >Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more expensive >than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in structural strength. > >Of course, one can choose which of these flaws one experiences... more expensive >3D printers no doubt do a better job. > >John Savard Plastic filament with wood or metal as part of it is available. I wouldn't use it for an aircraft or car, but it can be used for other items. There are several 3D printers that come as a basic device. Then the owner downloads files which when printed expand the printer. -- JimP.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160208182625.d3e44fa8bd5bf5a91ed88401@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #159049 |
On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:26:59 -0600 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:14:50 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> > wrote: > >On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: > > > >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with > >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. > > > >Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more > >expensive than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in > >structural strength. > > > >Of course, one can choose which of these flaws one experiences... more > >expensive 3D printers no doubt do a better job. > > > >John Savard > > Plastic filament with wood or metal as part of it is available. I > wouldn't use it for an aircraft or car, but it can be used for other > items. There are several 3D printers that come as a basic device. Then > the owner downloads files which when printed expand the printer. You are thinking of the hobby toys not the extremely expensive production tools. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 17:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ek8ibbdo7vscndql437k2m307074i09jvq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159055 |
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:26:25 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:26:59 -0600 >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:14:50 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> >> wrote: >> >On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:59:18 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> > >> >> It's gradually being replaced with additive manufacturing (start with >> >> nothing and add the elements you want). Also known as 3-D printing. >> > >> >Right now, of course, that technology is not there yet. It's much more >> >expensive than milling - and tends to produce parts that are lacking in >> >structural strength. >> > >> >Of course, one can choose which of these flaws one experiences... more >> >expensive 3D printers no doubt do a better job. >> > >> >John Savard >> >> Plastic filament with wood or metal as part of it is available. I >> wouldn't use it for an aircraft or car, but it can be used for other >> items. There are several 3D printers that come as a basic device. Then >> the owner downloads files which when printed expand the printer. > > You are thinking of the hobby toys not the extremely expensive >production tools. Well, mine cost $500 and can use the wood and metal filaments. There are more expensive machines that don't cost millions of dollars that are benig used to make metal items. The printer I mentioned that expands itself, uses metal filament. The one I would like to get, but cannot afford, costs about $15,000.00. But I don't know what I would do with it. The biggest problem with the chealer machines is speed of making. They don't have any. I've seen photos of 3D printing where the owner made an entire Middle Ages village with a castle. All can be taken apart for gaming. Form what I gathered, he used something other than plastic filament, it looks like stone. The plastic filament I bought is cheap, at $25 a roll. The metal and wood filament is twice the cost and the roll is smaller. Even Wal-Mart carries name brand filament these days. Sam's Club carries a 3D printer at about $3,000.00 each. -- JimP.
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| From | Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-02-08 16:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <TLednb8PkoQKjiTLnZ2dnUU7-QOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #158991 |
jmfbahciv wrote: > Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are > they all hooked up to a computer? It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, so that would be almost impossible to do manually. Jon
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159074 |
Jon Elson wrote: > jmfbahciv wrote: > > >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >> they all hooked up to a computer? > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could replicate what he makes. /BAH
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