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| Started by | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| First post | 2016-01-18 10:35 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-01-24 10:08 +0000 |
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Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 10:35 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 16:09 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-18 17:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-18 19:19 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-19 00:44 -0400
Re: Thanks Obama Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 07:28 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 12:42 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:18 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 04:25 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:56 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-18 13:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-18 12:00 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 15:28 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 09:45 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-19 20:37 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:35 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:39 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 07:22 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:42 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-18 18:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 22:40 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 23:11 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-18 23:26 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 08:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:56 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:57 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:32 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:05 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:27 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:55 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:06 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 06:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-19 14:44 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 09:07 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:43 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:49 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:09 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 15:21 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-20 16:24 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-20 17:04 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:44 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 10:53 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:22 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 20:19 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 07:47 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 21:24 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 08:55 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-20 17:07 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 11:59 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:32 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 12:03 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:14 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-23 21:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 14:13 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:25 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 18:10 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:40 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:03 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:01 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 12:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:07 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 19:47 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:27 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:09 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 07:30 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 12:22 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:35 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 10:59 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-19 16:26 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:31 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 17:05 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:03 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:19 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:56 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:31 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:27 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Sam James" <cf@nospam.com> - 2016-01-21 05:26 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-20 00:56 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:16 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:47 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:17 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:43 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-21 05:28 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:26 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:22 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:09 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 13:23 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:39 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:44 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:36 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 07:00 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 08:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 19:18 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:56 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:51 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:36 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 14:53 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 04:28 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-23 18:56 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:44 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 06:59 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-21 08:16 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-21 15:58 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 16:37 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-21 10:47 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 15:33 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 17:22 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-23 15:30 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-24 11:05 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 05:21 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 20:56 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 17:01 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:11 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 18:09 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 11:44 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:09 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 16:58 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 23:48 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:34 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:06 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 16:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 03:38 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:00 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:45 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 14:00 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:23 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:32 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 20:34 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 02:51 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:46 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:19 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 17:42 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:42 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:10 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 18:35 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 13:31 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 09:05 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 16:20 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 22:23 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-21 12:31 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 08:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:55 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 17:24 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:04 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 03:24 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:52 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:31 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 20:53 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 17:34 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:58 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 13:15 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 19:39 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 20:09 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 13:30 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-21 02:29 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:39 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-27 15:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:18 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-28 00:30 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 20:46 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:26 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 13:11 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-27 15:31 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:16 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:23 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-28 09:14 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 15:34 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:11 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:27 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 12:52 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 14:10 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:57 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-29 14:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 15:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 05:10 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 22:13 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 15:43 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 03:06 -0400
Re: Thanks Obama "Simmy Jacks" <sk98@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 19:53 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-29 09:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 18:36 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 09:48 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-29 07:48 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 13:40 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 17:57 -0400
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-29 22:21 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 17:40 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 19:38 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-29 18:14 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:47 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:31 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 10:40 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:21 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-31 00:16 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:21 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 13:24 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 15:32 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:29 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 16:57 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 19:00 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:43 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:22 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 21:56 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 06:40 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 09:32 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-31 02:42 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-31 16:43 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-01 00:18 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 13:11 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 06:10 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 12:56 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 15:23 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 17:05 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-30 17:54 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-31 04:39 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 10:42 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-31 17:30 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 12:35 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-31 19:39 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:23 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 08:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 05:40 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 17:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-01 13:56 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 09:36 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 11:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 15:28 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-01 15:03 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 16:26 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 17:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 16:05 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 10:09 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-02 00:21 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 12:58 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 09:51 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-01 18:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 13:04 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-01 21:39 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-02 20:34 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 18:29 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 14:30 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 11:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-31 19:49 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 08:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-01 07:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-01 11:05 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 12:31 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 15:24 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-31 21:19 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-31 17:14 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-01 11:14 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-02 14:52 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-02 15:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-03 16:40 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-02 10:59 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 17:31 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-03 18:10 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:35 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-03 21:11 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 13:54 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:16 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-04 11:07 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:39 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-04 11:57 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-03 18:11 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:37 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-03 20:55 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 10:49 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 14:49 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 15:24 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 20:22 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-05 03:32 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 14:41 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 18:21 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 19:53 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-05 08:11 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-05 15:03 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:50 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-05 13:25 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-05 19:57 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-05 15:19 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 19:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:11 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-05 14:56 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:29 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-03 14:11 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 13:47 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-03 21:07 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-03 16:12 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-03 21:50 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-03 16:58 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-04 15:06 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 09:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 10:43 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-04 17:57 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 15:24 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-05 18:54 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-05 19:42 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 14:10 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2016-02-08 03:31 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 14:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-03 18:28 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-04 01:47 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-03 21:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:46 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-03 20:58 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-03 22:34 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-03 22:17 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-03 23:18 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 17:43 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-04 15:07 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:56 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 13:57 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-04 14:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:27 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-04 11:11 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:40 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-04 15:00 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 13:53 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:11 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:10 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 00:15 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-04 18:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 15:17 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 15:14 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 17:15 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 05:03 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-04 14:33 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:22 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-03 21:31 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:56 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:08 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:35 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-03 15:15 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-03 17:25 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:03 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:04 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 10:14 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 04:51 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 00:08 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-05 08:11 -0700
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-05 17:24 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:15 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-06 16:24 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-07 10:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 17:16 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-05 16:32 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 05:14 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-05 11:25 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 10:07 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:47 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-05 13:50 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 15:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-05 14:50 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-06 05:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 11:45 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 05:29 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 05:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 15:32 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 17:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 10:07 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:22 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 15:59 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 17:59 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 19:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 09:30 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-02 14:52 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-02 15:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 05:30 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-31 16:58 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 12:42 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-30 09:59 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:21 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 05:20 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 15:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-31 17:49 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-30 09:59 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-30 10:40 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-01 00:03 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-01 07:36 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-01 16:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-01 10:11 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 12:28 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-01 13:53 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 16:24 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-02 10:04 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 16:18 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-30 13:00 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-29 23:39 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-30 12:23 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-01-29 18:25 -0400
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-29 17:29 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:21 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 23:02 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 10:10 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 19:23 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 16:42 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-30 11:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 07:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-30 17:25 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:33 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:02 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 12:35 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-28 20:32 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 15:10 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 10:54 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:08 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 11:01 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 21:07 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 15:55 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:08 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-29 18:27 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 18:38 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 21:40 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-20 22:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-21 07:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 19:35 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 11:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 04:33 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-21 19:33 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 20:31 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:11 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 23:17 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 16:54 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 15:55 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 14:55 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 08:03 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 05:09 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 13:31 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 10:59 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 14:46 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 12:28 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 15:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 16:31 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:45 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 18:24 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 17:32 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 20:59 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:47 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-27 17:20 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 07:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 18:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-27 21:24 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 05:02 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 07:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:36 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 04:58 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 18:00 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 20:24 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 10:51 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-28 13:15 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 17:04 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-29 11:14 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-28 23:54 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:31 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 17:50 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 19:41 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-29 20:21 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:43 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 18:03 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-27 09:23 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 14:08 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-28 16:36 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:38 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 13:13 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:20 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 18:43 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 15:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-26 21:18 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:44 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 19:34 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-19 18:40 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 10:15 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 15:51 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 11:46 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-19 11:09 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:06 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 20:44 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:53 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-20 06:48 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-01-20 11:32 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-19 17:39 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-19 12:22 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 12:42 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:01 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 21:43 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 22:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-20 00:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-21 18:57 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 22:07 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:23 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-22 17:48 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 11:26 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 04:02 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-23 20:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-19 21:57 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 07:17 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 06:57 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 12:16 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:49 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-21 05:34 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-21 21:30 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-22 05:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-22 14:45 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-22 21:19 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-23 11:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-23 21:00 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 06:57 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-20 14:12 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 14:05 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-20 09:00 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-20 15:41 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-20 16:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:41 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-20 15:26 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 05:39 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 18:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-21 12:17 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-20 22:01 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-19 12:40 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-19 16:38 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-19 21:38 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:01 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-20 17:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:01 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-20 19:00 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "James Green" <667755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 15:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-23 18:57 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-23 21:00 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-23 20:16 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 13:38 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-23 22:51 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 16:24 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-24 00:41 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 18:30 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-23 23:39 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 17:31 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-24 01:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 23:29 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 18:42 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:54 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-24 10:39 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 10:51 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 14:07 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 08:55 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-25 01:49 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 19:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 12:54 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-24 22:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 00:00 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 21:49 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 11:01 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 06:27 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 15:44 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 19:23 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 16:12 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 11:34 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:11 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 14:07 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 12:18 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 17:09 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-25 22:43 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:21 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:42 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 18:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 19:09 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 19:14 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 22:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 22:25 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 11:35 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 08:11 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-26 18:23 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 15:41 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 14:56 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 13:44 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:07 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama - Monica Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 20:37 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 21:40 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 19:53 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:42 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-01-26 21:59 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-27 17:17 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-27 14:06 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 09:03 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:00 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 07:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:43 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 13:59 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 18:10 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 17:33 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 16:58 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 20:50 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-28 14:26 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-28 22:42 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 17:06 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:03 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-29 14:14 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 20:55 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 21:16 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:30 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:41 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-30 09:34 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 19:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-30 15:19 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-30 10:40 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-31 14:56 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-02-01 05:03 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 11:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:35 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 15:07 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 16:29 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:24 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 17:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-01 18:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 21:34 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 17:02 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-02 14:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:27 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 16:46 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 14:19 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 20:00 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-28 23:11 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 05:25 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-01-29 06:11 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 11:08 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-29 13:15 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:21 +0100
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:36 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 07:20 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 16:46 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:33 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 16:04 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:05 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 17:31 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-28 05:07 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 16:36 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:03 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-27 13:12 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 09:48 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 19:17 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 20:39 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-26 09:44 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 21:46 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-24 01:27 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-23 23:35 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-24 01:48 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:35 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 14:08 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-24 19:40 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 07:32 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 11:36 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 14:38 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 16:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 17:09 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-25 12:50 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:52 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 05:00 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 14:45 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-24 16:33 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 15:48 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama "kipg" <io@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 09:06 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 17:25 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-25 09:59 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-25 12:54 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 00:18 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-26 07:40 +0000
Re: Thanks Obama "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 19:19 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 06:58 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 18:23 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama "Orange" <oq7755@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 10:50 +1100
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 16:52 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 19:03 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-24 22:26 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 08:25 -0500
Re: Thanks Obama Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-25 10:23 -0600
Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-25 10:02 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-25 12:47 -0600
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Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 08:25 -0500
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Re: Thanks Obama Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 16:42 -0500
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Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 06:04 -0500
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Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 07:46 -0800
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Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-27 16:41 -0800
Re: Thanks Obama "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:43 -0500
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Re: Thanks Obama hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-24 19:08 -0800
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 17:24 +0100 |
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In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their nationality >>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>> state power. >>> >>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >> >> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. > >Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book >(which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador >during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word >Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming >the people in Politburo who were involved. > >>They were the people actually >> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >> society move. > >Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR >that the organization of making something was spread out across the >entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved >101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands >of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place >for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that >all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could >be that desne....could they? The USSR was, in practice. The physical transport was not forced through Moscow except that all rail does in practice terminate there. There are bypassing lines, but all the big yards are in the 100km zone outside Moscow, or on the radials going in or out. >> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. > >Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers or doctors. The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. -- mrr
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B1ACE1E7CF9@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158895 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their nationality >>>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>>> state power. >>>> >>>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >>> >>> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. >> >>Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book >>(which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador >>during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word >>Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming >>the people in Politburo who were involved. >> >>>They were the people actually >>> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >>> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >>> society move. >> >>Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR >>that the organization of making something was spread out across the >>entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved >>101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands >>of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place >>for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that >>all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could >>be that desne....could they? > > The USSR was, in practice. The physical transport was not forced through > Moscow except that all rail does in practice terminate there. There are > bypassing lines, but all the big yards are in the 100km zone outside > Moscow, or on the radials going in or out. The most efficient way to manufacture most things is to make them in one spot and then ship the final product through Moscow. > >>> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. >> >>Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? > > No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the > executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers > or doctors. > > > The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus > of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it > for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. But aren't they reporting to a Politburo person who is the equivalent of the US Department of Interior? /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 06:15 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhmv26F6hl9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158944 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B1ACE1E7CF9@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their >>>>>> nationality >>>>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>>>> state power. >>>>> >>>>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >>>> >>>> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. >>> >>>Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book >>>(which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador >>>during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word >>>Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming >>>the people in Politburo who were involved. >>> >>>>They were the people actually >>>> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >>>> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >>>> society move. >>> >>>Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR >>>that the organization of making something was spread out across the >>>entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved >>>101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands >>>of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place >>>for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that >>>all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could >>>be that desne....could they? >> >> The USSR was, in practice. The physical transport was not forced through >> Moscow except that all rail does in practice terminate there. There are >> bypassing lines, but all the big yards are in the 100km zone outside >> Moscow, or on the radials going in or out. > > The most efficient way to manufacture most things is to make them in > one spot and then ship the final product through Moscow. > >> >>>> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. >>> >>>Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? >> >> No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the >> executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers >> or doctors. >> >> >> The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus >> of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it >> for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. > > But aren't they reporting to a Politburo person who > is the equivalent of the US Department of Interior? Nope, and nothing even remotely like that. ALL the Politburo does is SET POLICY. Individual Politburo members don’t personally run anything.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 16:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rpfhoc-4u7.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #158944 |
In article <PM00052B1ACE1E7CF9@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their nationality >>>>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>>>> state power. >>>>> >>>>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >>>> >>>> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. >>> >>>Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book >>>(which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador >>>during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word >>>Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming >>>the people in Politburo who were involved. >>> >>>>They were the people actually >>>> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >>>> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >>>> society move. >>> >>>Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR >>>that the organization of making something was spread out across the >>>entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved >>>101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands >>>of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place >>>for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that >>>all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could >>>be that desne....could they? >> >> The USSR was, in practice. The physical transport was not forced through >> Moscow except that all rail does in practice terminate there. There are >> bypassing lines, but all the big yards are in the 100km zone outside >> Moscow, or on the radials going in or out. > >The most efficient way to manufacture most things is to make them in >one spot and then ship the final product through Moscow. No. The US and Russia are about the same size in terms of geographic footprint of the economy, and also topologically similar. The US has four main railways to the west coast, and there are north-south lines, two main ones on the west coast, and one for every or other set of states going east. Chicago-New Orleans is a main one, and there are at least two main ones east and west of this. The interstate system is even more fine grained. The idea of shipping everything through Chicago did have some favor for a while, but sense prevailed. China also does not have such a hub. There are at least four, all located a few hundred kilometers inland, along the main north-south arteries. Of other, largish countries I can think only of France. OK, Britain has London, but there are a large number of bypass lines and roads. And we have Norway, but this Oslo-centrism is just a function of the geography, having a large number of valleys that point in that general direction. >>>> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. >>> >>>Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? >> >> No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the >> executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers >> or doctors. >> >> >> The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus >> of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it >> for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. > >But aren't they reporting to a Politburo person who is the equivalent >of the US Department of Interior? The polit bureu went powerless when the Communists were ousted from power, soon 25 years ago. The oligarks aren't reporting anywhere, except to the owners of their companies, which are often themselves, as well as standard economic reporting. Putin has reined them in somewhat, and demand loyalty to himself politically. But financially they are still pretty free-roaming. -- mrr
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 10:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbe6d1.191.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #158974 |
On 2016-02-06, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: > In article <PM00052B1ACE1E7CF9@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> > No. > > The US and Russia are about the same size in terms of geographic > footprint of the economy, and also topologically similar. Not Really.. I reemember a story about British and French politicians comparing their Empires, the Frenchman declared that they were roughly equal in size, to which the British replied, "Yours is inclined to dry out in Summer" > > The US has four main railways to the west coast, and there are north-south > lines, two main ones on the west coast, and one for every or other > set of states going east. Chicago-New Orleans is a main one, and there are > at least two main ones east and west of this. The interstate system is > even more fine grained. > > The idea of shipping everything through Chicago did have some favor for > a while, but sense prevailed. > > China also does not have such a hub. There are at least four, all > located a few hundred kilometers inland, along the main north-south > arteries. > > Of other, largish countries I can think only of France. OK, Britain > has London, but there are a large number of bypass lines and roads. > > And we have Norway, but this Oslo-centrism is just a function of the > geography, having a large number of valleys that point in that > general direction. Control of Moscow, and communications, meant that the Communists won the civil war, and the Soviets the World war. Stalingrad was important as well, but they bypassed that when the Germans captured most of it. > >>>>> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. >>>> >>>>Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? >>> >>> No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the >>> executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers >>> or doctors. >>> >>> >>> The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus >>> of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it >>> for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. >> >>But aren't they reporting to a Politburo person who is the equivalent >>of the US Department of Interior? > > The polit bureu went powerless when the Communists were ousted from > power, soon 25 years ago. > > The oligarks aren't reporting anywhere, except to the owners of their > companies, which are often themselves, as well as standard economic > reporting. > > Putin has reined them in somewhat, and demand loyalty to himself > politically. But financially they are still pretty free-roaming. > > -- mrr The "Aluminium War" would have few examples outside of Russia. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-07 17:16 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dho5qjFfbpdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158944 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B1ACE1E7CF9@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their >>>>>> nationality >>>>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>>>> state power. >>>>> >>>>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >>>> >>>> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. >>> >>>Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book >>>(which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador >>>during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word >>>Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming >>>the people in Politburo who were involved. >>> >>>>They were the people actually >>>> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >>>> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >>>> society move. >>> >>>Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR >>>that the organization of making something was spread out across the >>>entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved >>>101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands >>>of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place >>>for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that >>>all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could >>>be that desne....could they? >> >> The USSR was, in practice. The physical transport was not forced through >> Moscow except that all rail does in practice terminate there. There are >> bypassing lines, but all the big yards are in the 100km zone outside >> Moscow, or on the radials going in or out. > > The most efficient way to manufacture most things is to make them in > one spot and then ship the final product through Moscow. Try telling that to Boeing and Airbus. Don’t be TOO surprised when they just laugh in your face. >>>> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. >>> >>>Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? >> >> No, the ruling class from the Czars were dismantled. Some of the >> executive class were kept, where they did useful work; like engineers >> or doctors. >> >> >> The Nomenklatura were the ones that took over the production apparatus >> of the USSR, mostly by just using their connections to continue to run it >> for themselves. They are more or less still running Russia. > > But aren't they reporting to a Politburo person who is the equivalent > of the US Department of Interior? > > /BAH
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 16:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <koqdnd2RwKvuUynLnZ2dnUU78UednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #158886 |
On 05/02/2016 14:41, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Morten Reistad wrote:
{snip}
>>
>> Noone wants to go for socialism. At least noone sane.
>
> Yea, well, the US populace is getting there with their freebie
> expectations.
>
In the "socialist" countries the politicians promised many things but
delivered few. The US Government is delivering lots of things but is
having trouble paying for them.
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| From | "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 05:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhk74oFftj0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158897 |
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:koqdnd2RwKvuUynLnZ2dnUU78UednZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 05/02/2016 14:41, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Morten Reistad wrote:
> {snip}
>
>>>
>>> Noone wants to go for socialism. At least noone sane.
>>
>> Yea, well, the US populace is getting there with their freebie
>> expectations.
>>
>
> In the "socialist" countries the politicians promised many things but
> delivered few.
In fact in western europe the socialist countries
not only quite a bit they also deliver that with their
universal national health care funding systems and
quite generous welfare systems. In spades with
places like Norway which not only have that stuff
but went much further and had the government
run the entire oil and gas system and do that so
well that they have delivered a hell of a result
for the population because they chose to do it
the socialist way. So well that even when the
current more right wing govt was elected they
didn’t even propose to dismantle that and sell it
off because the voters would not have bought that.
> The US Government is delivering lots of things
Not with a decent modern universal
health care funding system they haven't.
It costs TWICE what anyone else has to
pay and gets a worse result on any useful
measure like infant mortality, lifespan or
years in good health. Not dramatically
worse, but it should be better not worse
when you spend twice as much on it.
> but is having trouble paying for them.
The ONLY thing they have trouble paying
for is the immense military system that is
bigger than ALL the next NINE COMBINED
and terminally stupid stuff like Iraq and
Afghanistan.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 11:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87d1sbx8l7.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #158897 |
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes: > In the "socialist" countries the politicians promised many things but > delivered few. The US Government is delivering lots of things but is > having trouble paying for them. congress allowed the fiscal responsibility act (required spending couldn't exceed tax revenue) to expire in 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAYGO 2010 CBO did an analysis since the act expired, tax revenue was cut by $6T and spending increased by $6T (for $12T budget gap compared to the fiscal responsibility budget). They also looked at the increase in spending for DOD & two wars; finding that besides the other increases, there was also a DOD increase of little over $1T that couldn't be accounted for ... somehow disappearing into the pockets of the military-industrial complex http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex and http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act That doesn't include things like the $60B+ in pallets of shrink wrapped $100 bills air lifted to Iraq that disappears. More recent the long term costs of the two wars is between $5T and $6T (and it is the only time that taxes were reduced to not pay for the wars rather than increasing taxes to pay for wars). In the 90s, congress passed a bill requiring all agencies pass financial audits ... it is two decades since all other agencies pass audits ... but not DOD. There was some speculation that DOD might have passed a financial audit in 2017, but there is increasing doubts that will happen. The first major bill after the fiscal responsibility act was allowed to expire, was medicare part-d. CBS 60mins did an expose of the 18 repulicans & staff responsible for shepherding the bill. At the last minute they insert a one line sentence that prevents competitive bidding and prevent CBO from distributing a report analysing the effects of the change. CBS 60mins show identical drugs under part-D and competitive bidding that are 1/3rd the cost (of those under part-D). After it passes, all 18 have resigned and are on drug industry payroll. part-D posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#medicare.part-d middle of last decade, US Comptroller General starts including in speeches that nobody in congress can do middle school arithmetic (for how badly they were savaging the budget) and that part-d comes to be a long term $40T totally swamping all other budget items (enormous congressional gift to the drug industry). http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#comptroller.general Besides the trillions increase in "legal" tax evasion created last decade ... there has also been a big increase in the illegal tax evasion. Spring of 2009, IRS says that it is going after $400B in taxes on illegal income stashed offshore by 52,000 wealthy individuals. In 2011, the new congress says that it was cutting the budget on the IRS department responsible for recovering those funds. Since then there have news reports of a few billion in fines on the "too big to fail" institutions reponsible for facility that illegal tax evasion, but nothing about the recovery of the $400B. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#tax.evasion "too big to fail" have a increasing list of illegal activities for which they haven't been prosecuted ... giving rise to the references to "too big to prosecute" and "too big to jail" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#too-big-to-fail One of the growing federal budget items is the interest paid on the federal debt. Middle of last decade, there was article explaining why Federal Reserve also backed getting rid of the fiscal responsibility act. As a gift to "too big to fail", Federal Reserve would provide tens of trillions in ZIRP funds, the "too big to fail" could then turn around and buy treasuries (federal debt) getting an "easy" $300B/year. There is an estimate that the "too big to fail" have been fined an aggregate of $300B since 2008 for their illegal activity .... but besides the enormous profits on illegal activity, it is more than offset by the $300B/annum they can make with ZIRP funds off federal debt. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B1ADD3EBFFA@aca2d67f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #158911 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes: >> In the "socialist" countries the politicians promised many things but >> delivered few. The US Government is delivering lots of things but is >> having trouble paying for them. > > congress allowed the fiscal responsibility act (required spending > couldn't exceed tax revenue) to expire in 2002. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAYGO > > 2010 CBO did an analysis since the act expired, tax revenue was cut by > $6T and spending increased by $6T (for $12T budget gap compared to the > fiscal responsibility budget). They also looked at the increase in > spending for DOD & two wars; finding that besides the other increases, > there was also a DOD increase of little over $1T that couldn't be accounted > for ... somehow disappearing into the pockets of the military-industrial > complex > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex > and > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act > > That doesn't include things like the $60B+ in pallets of shrink wrapped > $100 bills air lifted to Iraq that disappears. > > More recent the long term costs of the two wars is between $5T and $6T > (and it is the only time that taxes were reduced to not pay for the wars > rather than increasing taxes to pay for wars). > > In the 90s, congress passed a bill requiring all agencies pass financial > audits ... it is two decades since all other agencies pass audits > ... but not DOD. There was some speculation that DOD might have passed a > financial audit in 2017, but there is increasing doubts that will > happen. > > The first major bill after the fiscal responsibility act was allowed to > expire, was medicare part-d. CBS 60mins did an expose of the 18 > repulicans & staff responsible for shepherding the bill. At the last > minute they insert a one line sentence that prevents competitive bidding > and prevent CBO from distributing a report analysing the effects of the > change. CBS 60mins show identical drugs under part-D and competitive > bidding that are 1/3rd the cost (of those under part-D). After it > passes, all 18 have resigned and are on drug industry payroll. The one which really disgusts me is the one which provided extraordinay medical insurance. It was repealed because of AARP's lobbying. My mother wanted that insurance. It would have cost her $300/year but AARP told its members that it would be too expensive. I never did understand why AARP was against something sensible. <snip> /BAH
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 10:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <og6cbb5gilj5862adhqapsn2iop9enkut6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #158947 |
On 6 Feb 2016 14:35:48 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >> >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes: >>> In the "socialist" countries the politicians promised many things but >>> delivered few. The US Government is delivering lots of things but is >>> having trouble paying for them. >> >> congress allowed the fiscal responsibility act (required spending >> couldn't exceed tax revenue) to expire in 2002. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAYGO >> >> 2010 CBO did an analysis since the act expired, tax revenue was cut by >> $6T and spending increased by $6T (for $12T budget gap compared to the >> fiscal responsibility budget). They also looked at the increase in >> spending for DOD & two wars; finding that besides the other increases, >> there was also a DOD increase of little over $1T that couldn't be accounted >> for ... somehow disappearing into the pockets of the military-industrial >> complex >> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial.complex >> and >> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#fiscal.responsibility.act >> >> That doesn't include things like the $60B+ in pallets of shrink wrapped >> $100 bills air lifted to Iraq that disappears. >> >> More recent the long term costs of the two wars is between $5T and $6T >> (and it is the only time that taxes were reduced to not pay for the wars >> rather than increasing taxes to pay for wars). >> >> In the 90s, congress passed a bill requiring all agencies pass financial >> audits ... it is two decades since all other agencies pass audits >> ... but not DOD. There was some speculation that DOD might have passed a >> financial audit in 2017, but there is increasing doubts that will >> happen. >> >> The first major bill after the fiscal responsibility act was allowed to >> expire, was medicare part-d. CBS 60mins did an expose of the 18 >> repulicans & staff responsible for shepherding the bill. At the last >> minute they insert a one line sentence that prevents competitive bidding >> and prevent CBO from distributing a report analysing the effects of the >> change. CBS 60mins show identical drugs under part-D and competitive >> bidding that are 1/3rd the cost (of those under part-D). After it >> passes, all 18 have resigned and are on drug industry payroll. > >The one which really disgusts me is the one which provided >extraordinay medical insurance. It was repealed because of AARP's >lobbying. My mother wanted that insurance. It would have cost her >$300/year but AARP told its members that it would be too expensive. >I never did understand why AARP was against something sensible. > ><snip> > >/BAH Some of the medical plans that were cncelled when the ACA came in, those plans never paid for bills, they just took in premiums. -- JimP.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 04:47 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhk5hiFfghgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158886 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B06E58D77BB@aca41119.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Dave Garland wrote: >>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The voters of the US have not looked at experience when they vote. >>>>> That really bothers me. >>>> >>>> There is truth in that. Hillary is the only one with any kind of broad >>>> experience. Maybe Trump, but he doesn't seem to have learned much from >>>> it. I'm not wild about either of them. >>>> >>>> They favor bullshit over substance which >>>> >>>> It's the sound bite age, the talk show age, the TV age. >>>> >>>>> is why we'll be socialist/communist/facist in a few decades. >>>> >>>> Fascist is a concern with the Republican candidates. Especially if >>>> fascism can coexist with theocracy. >>>> >>>> Nobody is aiming at communism, at least nobody except the Marxists. >>> >>>However, it might be the only way for politicians to administer >>>socialism. There is a tendency to use facist methods in this >>>country, too. >> >> Noone wants to go for socialism. At least noone sane. > > Yea, well, the US populace is getting there with their freebie > expectations. Nope, EVERYWHERE has a mix of capitalism and socialism. The ONLY difference is the detail of the mix. The US has ALWAYS had a mix of capitalism and socialism, most obviously with govt schools, the cops, US marshals, the judicial system, public roads, the postal service etc etc etc. >> We want some form of mixed economy with at least a strong element >> of social democracy. >> >> This is the political system in all the world except some places >> like Iran, North Korea etc. Possibly China, Laos, Viet Nam and Cuba. >> >> What varies is the mix. >> >>>> But there's not many of them, and in any case, if you have five >>>> Marxists, you'll have six Marxist groups, all of whom are accusing the >>>> others of betraying the revolution. I know some of these folks, their >>>> biggest threat is that they'll bore you to death. >>>> >>>> Socialism? Yes, Social Security and Medicare are good. Public roads >>>> and libraries and parks are good. Even schools, a lot of the time >>>> (*may be void in Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma). Public health >>>> departments. Somebody to whack polluters. Firemen. >> >> And regulators. Like the FAA, FCC, SEC etc. > Except some of the US' regulators are doing fascist things. The > EPA is trying to put farming out of business, among other things. Complete and utter mindless silly stuff. They are doing nothing of the sort. >>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their nationality >>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>> state power. >>> >>>The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >> >> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. > > Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book > (which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador > during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word > Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming > the people in Politburo who were involved. If he actually said that he got it wrong. >>They were the people actually >> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >> society move. > > Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR > that the organization of making something was spread out across the > entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved > 101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands > of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place > for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that > all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could > be that desne....could they? >> >> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. > Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? Nope.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 13:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n92ua9$vpn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #158886 |
On 2/5/2016 8:41 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00052AF2D9BC300E@aca42396.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> Dave Garland wrote: >>>> On 2/3/2016 8:25 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The voters of the US have not looked at experience when they vote. >>>>> That really bothers me. >>>> >>>> There is truth in that. Hillary is the only one with any kind of broad >>>> experience. Maybe Trump, but he doesn't seem to have learned much from >>>> it. I'm not wild about either of them. >>>> >>>> They favor bullshit over substance which >>>> >>>> It's the sound bite age, the talk show age, the TV age. >>>> >>>>> is why we'll be socialist/communist/facist in a few decades. >>>> >>>> Fascist is a concern with the Republican candidates. Especially if >>>> fascism can coexist with theocracy. >>>> >>>> Nobody is aiming at communism, at least nobody except the Marxists. >>> >>> However, it might be the only way for politicians to administer >>> socialism. There is a tendency to use facist methods in this >>> country, too. >> >> Noone wants to go for socialism. At least noone sane. > > Yea, well, the US populace is getting there with their freebie > expectations. > >> >> We want some form of mixed economy with at least a strong element >> of social democracy. >> >> This is the political system in all the world except some places >> like Iran, North Korea etc. Possibly China, Laos, Viet Nam and Cuba. >> >> What varies is the mix. >> >>>> But there's not many of them, and in any case, if you have five >>>> Marxists, you'll have six Marxist groups, all of whom are accusing the >>>> others of betraying the revolution. I know some of these folks, their >>>> biggest threat is that they'll bore you to death. >>>> >>>> Socialism? Yes, Social Security and Medicare are good. Public roads >>>> and libraries and parks are good. Even schools, a lot of the time >>>> (*may be void in Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma). Public health >>>> departments. Somebody to whack polluters. Firemen. >> >> And regulators. Like the FAA, FCC, SEC etc. > > Except some of the US' regulators are doing fascist things. The EPA > is trying to put farming out of business, among other things. > > >> >>>> It's the oligarchs that are the big danger. Economic control becoming >>>> more and more centralized in fewer and fewer hands. Treaties that >>>> raise corporations and investors above national laws (in the US, we >>>> can't label our meat with country of origin, because Canadian and >>>> Mexican ranchers objected). Corporations that change their nationality >>>> as easily as you change your clothes. Financial institutions that are >>>> "too big to fail"/"too big to jail". Corporations and lobbyists with >>>> pockets far deeper than the public, who can now buy politicians >>>> perfectly legally, shrouded in secrecy. And unfortunately, both the >>>> Republicans and the Democrats share responsibility for this state of >>>> affairs. And that too leads to fascism, the melding of corporate and >>>> state power. >>> >>> The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >> >> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. > > Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book > (which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador > during the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word > Nomenklatura. He does talk about running stuff and naming > the people in Politburo who were involved. > >> They were the people actually >> running stuff. The Politbureu made policy, but never were much involved >> in e.g. making electricity, steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a >> society move. > > Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR > that the organization of making something was spread out across the > entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved > 101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands > of miles. Huh. Sounds like the US defense industry, or how Airbus makes planes. Wonder if it was due to the same cause, spreading the butter around so that everyone in power had a stake in it. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place > for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that > all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could > be that desne....could they? Doesn't seem likely. As to the paperwork, is that any different from a US aircraft carrier? Wouldn't all that paperwork go through Washington? >> >> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays oligarks. > > Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? The oligarchs there are mostly the ones who had the connections and money to scoop industries up when the Russian state privatized them. The nomenklatura (which literally translates as "list of names") were the Politboro's underlings, top-level managers and "civil servants" whose power arose through their personal connections.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 15:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n932rn$ije$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #158886 |
On 05-Feb-16 08:41, jmfbahciv wrote: > Morten Reistad wrote: >> And regulators. Like the FAA, FCC, SEC etc. > > Except some of the US' regulators are doing fascist things. The EPA > is trying to put farming out of business, among other things. Hanlon's Razor applies here. That isn't their goal. >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> The oligarchs in fUSSR were the Politboro. >> >> No, they had a name. The Nomenklatura. > > Oh, rats. I have more reading to do. I've been reading the book > (which I cannot find now) written by the Soviet US ambassador during > the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't remember the word Nomenklatura. He > does talk about running stuff and naming the people in Politburo who > were involved. The politburo decided policy, and they appointed the nomenklatura to implement it. The names of the latter were generally irrelevant since they had no power to make policy; questioning their patron meant being replaced and sent to a gulag (or simply executed) as a dissident. Unless I'm really misunderstanding the word, though, the politburo were the real oligarchs, and the nomenklatura were just the bureaucrats. Many of the former nomenklatura became today's oligarchs/plutarchs, though, which might confuse the issue. >> They were the people actually running stuff. The Politbureu made >> policy, but never were much involved in e.g. making electricity, >> steel, food etc.; the stuff that makes a society move. > > Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? > ISTR that the organization of making something was spread out across > the entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved 101 > ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands > of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one > place for assembly had to go through Moscow; Of course; Russia has always been big on centralization. > I also had the impression that all the parts had to be transported > through Moscow but nobody could be that desne....could they? All roads led to Rome^H^H^H^HMoscow. In some cases, there was no other way to move things, but more generally, it was just the standard inefficiency that comes with any centralized bureaucracy. >> The Nomenklatura has/had a quite large overlap with todays >> oligarks. > > Is this the group which inherited the ruling class of the Czars? They inherited similar functions but weren't the same people, except maybe for a few opportunists that supported the revolution; most were executed as traitors/collaborators. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-05 14:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ql9abbl9c2isnttrf3qbu9unu7s8nuh3fr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #158886 |
On 5 Feb 2016 14:41:32 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR
>that the organization of making something was spread out across the
>entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved
>101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands
>of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place
>for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that
>all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could
>be that desne....could they?
The star topology is all-too-common. I see it in transit systems
where to get from suburb A to suburb B, one has to go through the
downtown area even if A and B are adjacent.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-06 05:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160206051730.44993481cb0b8022fadbe8a0@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #158924 |
On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:50:08 -0800 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote: > On 5 Feb 2016 14:41:32 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > [snip] > > >Are these the people who decided where manufacturing was located? ISTR > >that the organization of making something was spread out across the > >entire country so that making a thingie of 100 parts involved > >101 ore more manufacturing facilities which were separated by thousands > >of miles. All paperwork involved in getting those parts to one place > >for assembly had to go through Moscow; I also had the impression that > >all the parts had to be transported through Moscow but nobody could > >be that desne....could they? > > The star topology is all-too-common. I see it in transit systems > where to get from suburb A to suburb B, one has to go through the > downtown area even if A and B are adjacent. When we did metric spaces in maths one example we were given was the "British Rail" metric - take any metric space and you can construct another by picking a point in it (call it London) and defining BRdistance(A, B) defined to be distance(A, London) + distance(London, B). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-02 11:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <aoq1bb5pg11jhsbuu75345vaqsvsl3ip8m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #158614 |
On 2 Feb 2016 14:52:15 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Dave Garland wrote: >> On 2/1/2016 10:03 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <20160131173045.4d352a5da2f91617a858f708@eircom.net>, >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:42:23 -0600 >>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My only strategy is to vote for someone who I don't see as crazed and >>>>>> will do a good job. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to ... >>>> >>>> That leaves mr Sanders. OK, he is a socialist, but he is not crazed, >>>> and seems to be pretty capable. But then it is his ideology. >>>> >>>> If that are the only requirements to be president, we are all in deep >>>> do-do, even us in rightopondia. >>> >>> And he has no experience w.r.t. the work required. >> >> WRT the work required? Which of them do? Certainly not that Canadian >> fella. And it involves diplomacy, so that leaves The Donald out (first >> candidate ever to be threatened with an "undesirable alien" status >> from an allied country). Not only have none of them been Commander In >> Chief before, I'm not sure that any of them have served in the >> military. I guess Kasich, unlike Christie, managed to serve a term as >> governor without criminal investigation, but is that enough? >> >I don't think being a governor of a state is enough but it's certainly >more experience than a Senator or ex-CEO. The problem with >going straight from governor to President is the foreign policy >experience they don't have. However, governors do know how to >listen to experts in those fields. the only one who has >suffiecient creditials is Bush (his childhood dinner table >instructed them about the aspects of foreign policies, trade, >and economies) but he'll never make it. Trump has adminstrative >experience but not in a job which had to be tempered with >diplomacy, politics and foreign policiy; that's bothersome because >he hasn't shown an ability to listen to experts but I haven't been >paying much attention to the campaigns. > >/BAH Apparently Trump knows everythng, except that he doesn't. -- JimP.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-03 05:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhcasvFg1coU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158614 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052ACAA1EB6D96@aca202a0.ipt.aol.com... > Dave Garland wrote: >> On 2/1/2016 10:03 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <20160131173045.4d352a5da2f91617a858f708@eircom.net>, >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:42:23 -0600 >>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My only strategy is to vote for someone who I don't see as crazed and >>>>>> will do a good job. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to ... >>>> >>>> That leaves mr Sanders. OK, he is a socialist, but he is not crazed, >>>> and seems to be pretty capable. But then it is his ideology. >>>> >>>> If that are the only requirements to be president, we are all in deep >>>> do-do, even us in rightopondia. >>> >>> And he has no experience w.r.t. the work required. >> >> WRT the work required? Which of them do? Certainly not that Canadian >> fella. And it involves diplomacy, so that leaves The Donald out (first >> candidate ever to be threatened with an "undesirable alien" status >> from an allied country). Not only have none of them been Commander In >> Chief before, I'm not sure that any of them have served in the >> military. I guess Kasich, unlike Christie, managed to serve a term as >> governor without criminal investigation, but is that enough? >> > I don't think being a governor of a state is enough but it's certainly > more experience than a Senator or ex-CEO. The problem with > going straight from governor to President is the foreign policy > experience they don't have. However, governors do know how to > listen to experts in those fields. the only one who has > suffiecient creditials is Bush (his childhood dinner table > instructed them about the aspects of foreign policies, trade, > and economies) but he'll never make it. Trump has adminstrative > experience but not in a job which had to be tempered with > diplomacy, politics and foreign policiy; that's bothersome because > he hasn't shown an ability to listen to experts but I haven't been > paying much attention to the campaigns. Have fun listing even a single individual in history who has ever had the experience you require. There just isnt anyone. Even Washington had just been a military commander.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-02 05:59 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dh9o8mFqgruU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #158482 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052AB784AD5435@aca40d45.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <20160131173045.4d352a5da2f91617a858f708@eircom.net>, >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:42:23 -0600 >>>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My only strategy is to vote for someone who I don't see as crazed and >>>> will do a good job. >>> >>> I'd like to ... >> >> That leaves mr Sanders. OK, he is a socialist, but he is not crazed, >> and seems to be pretty capable. But then it is his ideology. >> >> If that are the only requirements to be president, we are all in deep >> do-do, even us in rightopondia. > > And he has no experience w.r.t. the work required. Neither did Obama and he did fine anyway.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-01 14:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <663654680.476048091.446444.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #158512 |
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052AB784AD5435@aca40d45.ipt.aol.com... >> Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <20160131173045.4d352a5da2f91617a858f708@eircom.net>, >>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:42:23 -0600 >>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My only strategy is to vote for someone who I don't see as crazed and >>>>> will do a good job. >>>> >>>> I'd like to ... >>> >>> That leaves mr Sanders. OK, he is a socialist, but he is not crazed, >>> and seems to be pretty capable. But then it is his ideology. >>> >>> If that are the only requirements to be president, we are all in deep >>> do-do, even us in rightopondia. >> >> And he has no experience w.r.t. the work required. > > Neither did Obama and he did fine anyway. > FSVO "fine". The country is still here, if that's the best we can expect. -- Pete
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