Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > alt.folklore.computers > #165921 > unrolled thread

Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624

Back to article view | Back to alt.folklore.computers

Contents

  Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-25 00:16 -0700
    Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 23:10 +0100
      Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-06 11:16 -0700
        Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 21:52 -0700
          Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-02 00:54 -0700
    Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:45 -0700
      Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-07 19:03 -0700
        Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-02 01:02 -0700
          Re: Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-08-02 10:11 -0700

#165921 — Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624

Incredibly long shot I know, but I am wondering if anyone knows of any old IBM ATMs (also called Cashpoints in the UK) lying unloved in some dusty, forgotten  old corner of a warehouse, or even in someones private collection?

Also, the 2984 was the first ATM that IBM produced for Lloyds Bank in the UK, but there are lots of references that say it was also installed 'in a few branches of a US bank'. Any ideas which that might be?

Any information would be welcome. Thanks.

Nick 

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#166562

On 25/06/2016 08:16, NickB wrote:
> Incredibly long shot I know, but I am wondering if anyone knows of any old IBM ATMs (also called Cashpoints in the UK) lying unloved in some dusty, forgotten  old corner of a warehouse, or even in someones private collection?
>
> Also, the 2984 was the first ATM that IBM produced for Lloyds Bank in the UK, but there are lots of references that say it was also installed 'in a few branches of a US bank'. Any ideas which that might be?
>
> Any information would be welcome. Thanks.
>
> Nick
>
They were designed at Hursley I believe and they have some info at the 
Museum there but none remaining as far as I know. Probably destroyed for 
security reasons. There is a contact e-mail here:-

http://hursley.slx-online.biz/

Dave

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#166813

On Monday, 4 July 2016 23:10:10 UTC+1, g4ugm  wrote:
> On 25/06/2016 08:16, NickB wrote:
> > Incredibly long shot I know, but I am wondering if anyone knows of any old IBM ATMs (also called Cashpoints in the UK) lying unloved in some dusty, forgotten  old corner of a warehouse, or even in someones private collection?
> >
> > Also, the 2984 was the first ATM that IBM produced for Lloyds Bank in the UK, but there are lots of references that say it was also installed 'in a few branches of a US bank'. Any ideas which that might be?
> >
> > Any information would be welcome. Thanks.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> They were designed at Hursley I believe and they have some info at the 
> Museum there but none remaining as far as I know. Probably destroyed for 
> security reasons. There is a contact e-mail here:-
> 
> http://hursley.slx-online.biz/
> 
> Dave

Thanks Dave,
I'm actually one of the (volunteer) curators of the Hursley museum.
We've been searching for one for some time now, but it seems that they were all leased so when the customer no longer wanted them, they were scrapped.

We do however live in hope that one might have escaped, hence my post.

Thanks again,
Nick

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#166835

NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> writes:
> Thanks Dave,
> I'm actually one of the (volunteer) curators of the Hursley museum.
> We've been searching for one for some time now, but it seems that they
> were all leased so when the customer no longer wanted them, they were
> scrapped.
>
> We do however live in hope that one might have escaped, hence my post.

IBM 3624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3624

The IBM 3624 was a late 1970s second-generation automatic teller machine
(ATM), a successor to the IBM 3614. Designed at the IBM Los Gatos lab,
the IBM 3624, along with the later IBM 4732 model, was manufactured at
IBM facilities in Charlotte, North Carolina and Havant, England until
all operations were sold to Diebold, tied to the formation of the
InterBold partnership between IBM and Diebold

... snip ...

I had offices and labs for a time in Los Gatos lab (since been plowed
under and sold off for a housing development) ... but it was after the
3614 time ... I did hear stories from some of the people that had been
there.

One of the projects that I had out at los gatos lab was some of
high speed data transport ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt

IBM had put in collins digital radio (T3 microwave) between bldg 12 on
the main plant site ... to repeater over the hill down to STL (since
renamed silicon valley lab) and repeater above Los Gatos lab (and the
hill above los gatos dump).

HSDT put in 4.5M tdma satellite dish in the Los Gatos back parking lot
another in in back lot behind IBM Yorktown research ... and a 7M dish in
Austin.

Los gatos had also done LSM (specialized chip design logic simulator
that ran something like 50,000 times faster than 168-3 ... doing logic
simulation) ... and Austin was shipping RIOS (RS/6000) chip logic design
to Los Gatos for validation. some RISC/ROMP/RIOS/etc past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

after I left IBM ... was involved in designing electronic payment
transaction protocols and chipcards ... recent mention
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#6 Is it a lost cause?

reference to nacha/star did pilot of part of one of the protocols;
23july2001 (gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine)
http://web.archive.org/web/20070706004855/http://internetcouncil.nacha.org/News/news.html

other posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#x959

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#168072

On Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:53:00 UTC+1, Anne & Lynn Wheeler  wrote:
> NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> writes:
> > Thanks Dave,
> > I'm actually one of the (volunteer) curators of the Hursley museum.
> > We've been searching for one for some time now, but it seems that they
> > were all leased so when the customer no longer wanted them, they were
> > scrapped.
> >
> > We do however live in hope that one might have escaped, hence my post.
> 
> IBM 3624
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3624
> 
> The IBM 3624 was a late 1970s second-generation automatic teller machine
> (ATM), a successor to the IBM 3614. Designed at the IBM Los Gatos lab,
> the IBM 3624, along with the later IBM 4732 model, was manufactured at
> IBM facilities in Charlotte, North Carolina and Havant, England until
> all operations were sold to Diebold, tied to the formation of the
> InterBold partnership between IBM and Diebold
> 
> ... snip ...
> 
> I had offices and labs for a time in Los Gatos lab (since been plowed
> under and sold off for a housing development) ... but it was after the
> 3614 time ... I did hear stories from some of the people that had been
> there.
> 
> One of the projects that I had out at los gatos lab was some of
> high speed data transport ... some past posts
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
> 
> IBM had put in collins digital radio (T3 microwave) between bldg 12 on
> the main plant site ... to repeater over the hill down to STL (since
> renamed silicon valley lab) and repeater above Los Gatos lab (and the
> hill above los gatos dump).
> 
> HSDT put in 4.5M tdma satellite dish in the Los Gatos back parking lot
> another in in back lot behind IBM Yorktown research ... and a 7M dish in
> Austin.
> 
> Los gatos had also done LSM (specialized chip design logic simulator
> that ran something like 50,000 times faster than 168-3 ... doing logic
> simulation) ... and Austin was shipping RIOS (RS/6000) chip logic design
> to Los Gatos for validation. some RISC/ROMP/RIOS/etc past posts
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
> 
> after I left IBM ... was involved in designing electronic payment
> transaction protocols and chipcards ... recent mention
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#6 Is it a lost cause?
> 
> reference to nacha/star did pilot of part of one of the protocols;
> 23july2001 (gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine)
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070706004855/http://internetcouncil.nacha.org/News/news.html
> 
> other posts
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#x959
> 
> -- 
> virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

Thanks Anne/Lynn.
I always wondered what happened to Los Gatos Lab. I spent 5 weeks there in the 70s for some early testing on the 3624 ATM while I was an IBM CE in London. 
My first trip to the US and quite an experience. I remember thinking that this must be the perfect place to end up. Sadly I didn't, but I did end up at Hursley laboratories, which is very good compromise.
Previous to that I had worked on the 2984 and the 3614, and went on to teach the 3624 at Sudbury education center in London. Happy days.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#166865

On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 2:21:24 AM UTC-5, NickB wrote:
> Incredibly long shot I know, but I am wondering if anyone knows of any old IBM ATMs (also called Cashpoints in the UK) lying unloved in some dusty, forgotten  old corner of a warehouse, or even in someones private collection?
> 
> Also, the 2984 was the first ATM that IBM produced for Lloyds Bank in the UK, but there are lots of references that say it was also installed 'in a few branches of a US bank'. Any ideas which that might be?
> 
> Any information would be welcome. Thanks.
> 
> Nick


Hi Nick, I have it on good authority from one of the engineers involved with the 2984 project that it was developed by the Advanced System Development Division lab in San Jose, CA. The project manager was Ed Murphy, and his development managers were Jerry Bemus and Herm Ziegler. 

Apparently it used a check sorter feed mechanism to feed the bills. -C

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#166866

Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi Nick, I have it on good authority from one of the engineers
> involved with the 2984 project that it was developed by the Advanced
> System Development Division lab in San Jose, CA. The project manager
> was Ed Murphy, and his development managers were Jerry Bemus and Herm
> Ziegler.
>
> Apparently it used a check sorter feed mechanism to feed the bills. -C

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016e.html#13 Looking for info on IBM ATMs - 2984, 3614, and 3624

ASDD lab morphs into the Los Gatos lab after ASDD is eliminated.

Folklore is that after Future System ... implodes and there is mad rush
to get 370 products back into the pipeline (370 efforts were being
shutdown or suspended during FS period)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

lots of advanced systems orgs were thrown into the development
breach. I've mentioned before that I believe the last advanced
system conference in 1976 which included presentations on 801/risc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801
and we did presentation on 16-way SMP 370.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#smp

until I held one at San Jose Resarch the spring of 1982 ... old past
with some of the agenda of that conference
http://www.garlic.com/~lnn/96.html#4a

one of the ATM folklore is that basement of Los Gatos Lab.  had a vault
that use to contain a ATM cash machine load of bills for dozens of
different currancies ... for testing bill feed mechanism.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#168073

On Friday, 8 July 2016 03:03:39 UTC+1, Anne & Lynn Wheeler  wrote:
> Cory Heisterkamp <coryheisterkamp@gmail.com> writes:

> 
> one of the ATM folklore is that basement of Los Gatos Lab.  had a vault
> that use to contain a ATM cash machine load of bills for dozens of
> different currancies ... for testing bill feed mechanism.
> 
> -- 
> virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

Cory - Apologies for adressing you as Anne/Lynn - I didn't read the header properly.

Just to add that in the basement of IBM Hursley, there was an environmental chamber where they tested the 2984 (that's the only model I saw there, but there may have been others) in all sorts of temperatures.

When I was there they were testing in hot and humid conditions, although the chamber was capable of replicating sub-zero temperatures as well. And they were testing with real bills, although I saw only UK bills - probably because the 2984 was primarily a UK only machine.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#168125

NickB <nickpb@hotmail.com> writes:
> Cory - Apologies for adressing you as Anne/Lynn - I didn't read the header properly.
>
> Just to add that in the basement of IBM Hursley, there was an
> environmental chamber where they tested the 2984 (that's the only
> model I saw there, but there may have been others) in all sorts of
> temperatures.
>
> When I was there they were testing in hot and humid conditions,
> although the chamber was capable of replicating sub-zero temperatures
> as well. And they were testing with real bills, although I saw only UK
> bills - probably because the 2984 was primarily a UK only machine.

trivia: part of the time I was allowed to play disk engineer in bldgs
14&15 ... some posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

the only environmental chamber I remember was in bldg. 15 (disk product
test lab) ... temperature, humidity and air pressure ... it had to be
large enough for large controllers and disk drives ... and looked like
decompression chamber ... fairly heavily armored for low-pressure and
high-pressure.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | alt.folklore.computers

csiph-web