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| Started by | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| First post | 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
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Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-03 17:43 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 20:51 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-04 21:29 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 04:19 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-04 15:46 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 02:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:47 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-09-05 10:00 -0500
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:16 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:46 -0700
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-18 09:19 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-18 15:48 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-05 12:05 -0400
Re: fine old languages, HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:20 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 18:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:00 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 16:27 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 18:30 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-08 00:17 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:50 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-06 11:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:50 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-06 15:04 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2021-09-09 02:04 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:37 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-16 20:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:11 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 22:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 15:40 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 18:57 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 22:33 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-17 07:13 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-05 10:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:44 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:43 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-05 14:11 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 18:31 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 19:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 13:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:27 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 23:59 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 09:41 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 11:54 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 10:58 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 15:12 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 14:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 12:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:17 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:55 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:16 +0000
JRRT's linguistic influences [was not really: Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-17 16:35 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 19:19 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 23:26 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-16 20:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 14:41 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 23:15 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:12 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 15:34 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:09 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-09-10 18:25 +0200
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100
OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:30 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 17:26 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 17:29 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-05 23:35 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:37 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 13:46 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 10:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 14:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 17:42 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 21:07 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 20:01 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-08 09:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 00:02 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:15 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 20:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-07 00:22 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 09:04 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-15 18:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 00:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 16:08 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 21:09 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> - 2021-09-03 08:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 15:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <489050824.652746548.503537.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218741 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 06:45:23 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: >> >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> >>> My problem might be that I am not a native English speaker. Already have >>> problems to understand the Welsh. ;-) >> >> Many British dialects are impenetrable to outsiders. Being a native English >> speaker had nothing to do with it. Of course Germany has a lot of areas >> where they speak dialect, too. > > Thant applies to many languages. Anyone in the US understands people in > Louisiana? ;-) Mostly. As far as I can tell, I can understand people,from anywhere in the US, with greater or lesses difficulty. I have trouble with a lot of British dialects, but, of course, I only hear them infrequently. -- Pete
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-09-16 06:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e110feb2-6df5-4c4b-9885-3c1eaae7a3bdn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #218757 |
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> wrote: > > Thant applies to many languages. Anyone in the US understands people in > > Louisiana? ;-) > > Mostly. As far as I can tell, I can understand people,from anywhere in the > US, with greater or lesses difficulty. I have trouble with a lot of British > dialects, but, of course, I only hear them infrequently. Odd, I could not find Andreas Kohlbach's post to which you responded. I would say it is indeed likely that people in, say, *Paris*, wouild have trouble understanding the Cajuns in Louisiana when they were speaking French... but most people in Louisiana are not of Acadian origin, and as far as I know, the accent of people from Louisiana when speaking English is not all that strong. John Savard
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-09-10 18:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8735qc2y9c.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #218741 |
On Di 07 Sep 2021 at 14:12, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > Anyone in the US understands people in Louisiana? ;-) If they speak cajun french, then that is no problem. 'Andreas
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <TuudndHNHLiqxan8nZ2dnUU7-YvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #218636 |
On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:19:54 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > >> On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 01:10:09 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> The IBM "portable" PC was the same idea - medium-suitcase sized, >>>> heavy as hell - very orange mini-screen - BUT you could put 640k >>>> and an 8087 in that one. Z80s, well, not so much ..... >>> >>> Didn't IBM came up with that after they saw the tremendous success of the >>> COMPAQ Portable (I think it was called "COMPAQ" when advertised). I seem >>> to remember the look came to be when two of the employees were on a lunch >>> break and put the design on a napkin. >> >> Yep, it was intended as a direct competitor to the >> Compaq "portable" ... and, at the time, also Osbourne >> and KayPro. >> >> But, like them, it was basically a desktop PC shoved >> into a suitcase-sized box with a handle. >> >> I was using the IBM-PPC for agricultural-product >> research at the time. Wanted to see how certain >> dusts would disperse in the wind across the fields. >> Kept track of wind direction/speed and there were >> sticky-slides at certain intervals in the bushes. >> Got lots of neato pretty-colored wind-drift >> charts out of that. From that, "average" dispersal >> data could be gleaned, useful for real-world >> application charts. >> >>>> OK, OK ... at 300 baud those pictures might load up just >>>> a TAD slow ...... >>> >>> There was a Computer Chronicles episode about computer security in the >>> mid 80s, where a young hacker demonstrated how to break into a BBS. The >>> text appeared slow and the hacker mentioned something like "This 300 baud >>> is slow. I wished we had a 1200 baud modem - that would speed things up a >>> great deal". *g* >> >> Heh ... yea yea ... I *remember*. Had one of those >> 'acoustic modems' in the beginning - you literally >> squished the phone handpiece into them. My first >> 1200 baud was Anchor Robotics. VASTLY better. At >> 300 baud you could actually read the text real-time >> as it came in. Oh well, there WERE slower baud rates >> before then ......... >> >> Somewhere I have a Radio Shack "laptop" ... last >> thing Gates actually wrote some code for. This was >> WAY before real 'laptops'. They were VERY popular >> with the Press - you could fit the acoustic coupler >> into any phone in the world and send in your story. >> (also had a direct-connect phone line capability - >> it could dial tone or pulse AND deal with common >> foreign systems). Ran on actual dry/alk BATTERIES >> you could buy at any store. >> >>> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You >>> might enjoy it. >> >> Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem >> like nostalgic "lore" to me ..... >> >> But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... >> only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a >> college class (which I dropped out of because >> the school already had serial terminals that'd >> do all that PLUS). The class was years behind >> the reality ...... > > Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find > the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even > know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). > Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the > chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use > cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I > ended up having to go dig up an operator. PART of the problem is that the computer world was evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. So, the prof wasn't necessarily stupid - but perhaps just a SINGLE year behind the curve. Some of the bigger data centers DID hang on to cards and tape for quite awhile after they were officially obsolete. They'd invested big $$$ in that equipment and were gonna USE it (and had blown their new equipment budgets on it). So, the punch-card experience wasn't necessarily useless, depending on where the student was going to wind up. Oh, go shopping ... they DO still sell cartridge-tape backup units still - they're up to three or four TB now and cost lots of $$$. Clearly there's a market for that 60s/70s/80s style tech, certain niches. Microprocessors were a New Frontier back then, and a certain democratization for invention that hadn't been seen since the latter 1800s with Edison/Tesla/Marconi/ Deforest. You didn't need a 200 IQ and a big development team to come up with and make use of really neat innovations. Lots that came out of that period is STILL in play now. Often, laziness was the Mother Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make it easier/better ?".
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sh1vn0$nut$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218649 |
On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: > Often, laziness was the Mother > Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make > it easier/better ?". Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history -- “when things get difficult you just have to lie” ― Jean Claud Jüncker
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210905104959.d15ff892feb3c76abdc4e19e@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218652 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: > > Often, laziness was the Mother > > Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make > > it easier/better ?". > > Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history More like Stallman's and before that a certain group at Berkeley and before that a handful of people at Bell and before that ... It's giant's shoulders all the way down, all stacked up like a circus pyramid. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sh25o8$2nl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218655 |
On 05/09/2021 10:49, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100 > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >>> Often, laziness was the Mother >>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >>> it easier/better ?". >> >> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history > > More like Stallman's and before that a certain group at Berkeley > and before that a handful of people at Bell and before that ... > > It's giant's shoulders all the way down, all stacked up like a > circus pyramid. > And then you get Computer Scientists, and their attitude is 'this is too easy/simple, how can we make it more complicated?' -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sh269v$57s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218657 |
On 05/09/2021 11:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/09/2021 10:49, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100 >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >>>> Often, laziness was the Mother >>>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >>>> it easier/better ?". >>> >>> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history >> >> More like Stallman's and before that a certain group at Berkeley >> and before that a handful of people at Bell and before that ... >> >> It's giant's shoulders all the way down, all stacked up like a >> circus pyramid. >> > And then you get Computer Scientists, and their attitude is 'this is too > easy/simple, how can we make it more complicated?' > AIUI, you failed your Computer Science PhD assessment if you used, "very" instead of, "highly".
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100 |
| Subject | OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox |
| Message-ID | <sh26nn$926$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218658 |
On 05/09/2021 11:31, gareth evans wrote: > > AIUI, you failed your Computer Science PhD assessment if you used, > "very" instead of, "highly". Sorry, an afterthought ... I thought that to get a PhD you had to either invent something or else discover something previously unfathomable but the plague of PhDs awarded these days do not seem to be accompanied by widespread increases of knowledge or developments in technology.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox |
| Message-ID | <sh28sc$mm7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218660 |
On 05/09/2021 11:38, gareth evans wrote: > On 05/09/2021 11:31, gareth evans wrote: >> >> AIUI, you failed your Computer Science PhD assessment if you used, >> "very" instead of, "highly". > > Sorry, an afterthought ... I thought that to get a PhD you had to > either invent something or else discover something previously > unfathomable but the plague of PhDs awarded these days do not > seem to be accompanied by widespread increases of knowledge > or developments in technology. > > No, you just have to write some impenetrable gobbledygook and get a chum to peer review it. "The influence of Patriarchal Modality on the development of unconscious homophobia in the Victorian institution' etc etc Clever people strive to make difficult stuff easy to understand. Not so clever people strive to make simple stuff more complicated so only they can understand it, and thus preserve their status and their careers As a wonderful example of prime communist blatherskite Eric Hobsbawn is the go-to idiot “The test of a progressive policy is not private but public, not just rising income and consumption for individuals, but widening the opportunities and what Amartya Sen calls the 'capabilities' of all through collective action. But that means, it must mean, public non-profit initiative, even if only in redistributing private accumulation. Public decisions aimed at collective social improvement from which all human lives should gain. That is the basis of progressive policy—not maximising economic growth and personal incomes. Nowhere will this be more important than in tackling the greatest problem facing us this century, the environmental crisis. Whatever ideological logo we choose for it, it will mean a major shift away from the free market and towards public action, a bigger shift than the British government has yet envisaged. And, given the acuteness of the economic crisis, probably a fairly rapid shift. Time is not on our side.” ― Eric Hobsbawm Contrast Scruton “When, in the works of Lacan, Deleuze and Althusser, the nonsense machine began to crank out its impenetrable sentences, of which nothing could be understood except that they all had “capitalism” as their target, it looked as though Nothing had at last found its voice.” ― Roger Scruton, Thinkers Of The New Left “The greatest task on the right, therefore, is to rescue the language of politics: to put within our grasp what has been forcibly removed from it by jargon.” ― Roger Scruton, Fools, Frauds and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left -- WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 17:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox |
| Message-ID | <slrnsjck27.dkr.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218662 |
On 2021-09-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/09/2021 11:38, gareth evans wrote: >> On 05/09/2021 11:31, gareth evans wrote: >>> >>> AIUI, you failed your Computer Science PhD assessment if you used, >>> "very" instead of, "highly". >> >> Sorry, an afterthought ... I thought that to get a PhD you had to >> either invent something or else discover something previously >> unfathomable but the plague of PhDs awarded these days do not >> seem to be accompanied by widespread increases of knowledge >> or developments in technology. >> >> > No, you just have to write some impenetrable gobbledygook and get a chum > to peer review it. > > > "The influence of Patriarchal Modality on the development of unconscious > homophobia in the Victorian institution' etc etc > > > Clever people strive to make difficult stuff easy to understand. > Not so clever people strive to make simple stuff more complicated so > only they can understand it, and thus preserve their status and their > careers > > As a wonderful example of prime communist blatherskite Eric Hobsbawn is > the go-to idiot > As one who left school early, I sorta educated my self via Hogsbawm > > “The test of a progressive policy is not private but public, not just > rising income and consumption for individuals, but widening the > opportunities and what Amartya Sen calls the 'capabilities' of all > through collective action. But that means, it must mean, public > non-profit initiative, even if only in redistributing private > accumulation. Public decisions aimed at collective social improvement > from which all human lives should gain. That is the basis of progressive > policy—not maximising economic growth and personal incomes. Nowhere will > this be more important than in tackling the greatest problem facing us > this century, the environmental crisis. Whatever ideological logo we > choose for it, it will mean a major shift away from the free market and > towards public action, a bigger shift than the British government has > yet envisaged. And, given the acuteness of the economic crisis, probably > a fairly rapid shift. Time is not on our side.” > > > ― Eric Hobsbawm > > Contrast Scruton > > > “When, in the works of Lacan, Deleuze and Althusser, the nonsense > machine began to crank out its impenetrable sentences, of which nothing > could be understood except that they all had “capitalism” as their > target, it looked as though Nothing had at last found its voice.” > ― Roger Scruton, Thinkers Of The New Left > > “The greatest task on the right, therefore, is to rescue the language of > politics: to put within our grasp what has been forcibly removed from it > by jargon.” > ― Roger Scruton, Fools, Frauds and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left >: >
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6JPZI.75217$rl3.72796@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #218655 |
On 2021-09-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100 > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >> >>> Often, laziness was the Mother >>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >>> it easier/better ?". >> >> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history > > More like Stallman's and before that a certain group at Berkeley > and before that a handful of people at Bell and before that ... > > It's giant's shoulders all the way down, all stacked up like a > circus pyramid. With Bill Gates hacking away at the bottom... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210907220556.3525621f4abf5d537325ff6c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218746 |
On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 20:12:50 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2021-09-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100 > > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > >> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: > >> > >>> Often, laziness was the Mother > >>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make > >>> it easier/better ?". > >> > >> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history > > > > More like Stallman's and before that a certain group at Berkeley > > and before that a handful of people at Bell and before that ... > > > > It's giant's shoulders all the way down, all stacked up like a > > circus pyramid. > > With Bill Gates hacking away at the bottom... Somewhere in the middle with Ken Dodd's tickling stick I think. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsj962d.2im.sc@scarpet42p.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #218652 |
Le 05-09-2021, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> a écrit : > On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >> Often, laziness was the Mother >> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >> it easier/better ?". > > Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history No, Linus' attitude was more "I want to have fun, do you want to have fun too?" -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ski9jgh2r4071pfe9442c4vf9jpeika377@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218652 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >> Often, laziness was the Mother >> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >> it easier/better ?". > >Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history Works for me. The two that go with it are that "it is easier to gain forgiveness than permission" and "initiative is when you did something you weren't supposed to do and it turned out good". Much of my work is boring and annoying. When I get annoyed I automate whatever is annoying me.
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <HMadnfssXejbw6j8nZ2dnUU7-XvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #218664 |
On 9/5/21 9:50 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >>> Often, laziness was the Mother >>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >>> it easier/better ?". >> >> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history. I think Linus was also too broke to buy UNIX :-) So, BUILD YOUR OWN. > > Works for me. The two that go with it are that "it is easier to gain > forgiveness than permission" and "initiative is when you did something > you weren't supposed to do and it turned out good". > > Much of my work is boring and annoying. When I get annoyed I automate > whatever is annoying me. The only way to stay sane. Often the automation work is MUCH more interesting than whatever project you're automating :-)
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <64vajglp0aas4clfbl1tb70sst6tflanop@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218679 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 20:18:08 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >On 9/5/21 9:50 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: >>>> Often, laziness was the Mother >>>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make >>>> it easier/better ?". >>> >>> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history. > > I think Linus was also too broke to buy UNIX :-) > > So, BUILD YOUR OWN. I understand it started out making some improvements on Minix, and he improved right into a full blown Unix workalike. >> Works for me. The two that go with it are that "it is easier to gain >> forgiveness than permission" and "initiative is when you did something >> you weren't supposed to do and it turned out good". >> >> Much of my work is boring and annoying. When I get annoyed I automate >> whatever is annoying me. > > The only way to stay sane. Often the automation work > is MUCH more interesting than whatever project you're > automating :-)
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210906085351.c987b6df38955266867d6088@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218681 |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 22:38:57 -0400 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 20:18:08 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > >On 9/5/21 9:50 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 09:38:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher > >> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>> On 05/09/2021 06:40, SixOverFive wrote: > >>>> Often, laziness was the Mother > >>>> Of All Invention - "This SUCKS ... how can I make > >>>> it easier/better ?". > >>> > >>> Which was pretty much Linus' attitude, and the rest, is history. > > > > I think Linus was also too broke to buy UNIX :-) > > > > So, BUILD YOUR OWN. > > I understand it started out making some improvements on Minix, and he > improved right into a full blown Unix workalike. The earliest story of the origin I read (sometime before 1.0) was that he started with a clever idea for a more efficient context switch, developed it under Minix and built out from there picking up fellow travellers along the way to help round it out into enough of a unix kernel clone to run GNU tools. The first working code was said to be two processes one printing As the other Bs. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87lf4bouvr.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218649 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >> ended up having to go dig up an operator. > > > PART of the problem is that the computer world was > evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The > Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at 64-bit. Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes mainstream. -- Andreas
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 17:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <sh2r4e$hl0$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218667 |
On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >> >> >> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. > > I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the > address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several > times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at > 64-bit. > > Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how > boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes > mainstream. > Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU clock speed are stuck. -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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