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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300 |
| Last post | 2016-01-30 20:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 381 — 58 participants |
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DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-25 17:26 +0300
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 15:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-25 10:53 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 04:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-01-26 14:14 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-26 17:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 10:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-25 16:17 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-01-25 11:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2016-01-25 16:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-25 17:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2016-01-25 19:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-01-25 16:15 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 13:17 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-01-26 08:20 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-26 11:32 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-01-27 19:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu> - 2016-01-27 22:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 15:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:34 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-25 19:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-25 23:55 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:31 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-27 21:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:00 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 00:48 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 21:02 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-29 07:32 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-28 15:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 19:03 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-28 20:58 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 10:40 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 19:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-01-29 23:21 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-30 03:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 09:25 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-01 17:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-01 21:29 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 00:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 03:04 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:40 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:39 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-03 23:59 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 06:03 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:24 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-04 10:51 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Blanco" <rko4410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:12 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-04 19:29 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-04 11:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-05 02:51 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-05 10:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 10:47 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 10:21 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-06 08:06 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 10:02 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-02-16 04:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2016-02-17 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-06 19:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-05 20:35 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-05 23:12 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans terry-groups@glaver.org - 2016-02-06 01:34 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 07:39 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 14:02 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 10:01 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-08 11:45 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:14 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 18:19 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:08 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-05 19:05 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-05 21:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-06 22:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-01 21:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-02 02:59 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-02 15:38 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:43 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-29 18:58 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-27 06:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-27 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:26 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-01-26 17:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-01-26 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-26 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 09:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 11:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 11:41 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 12:38 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-26 15:26 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 19:25 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-26 07:54 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-26 11:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:39 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2016-01-26 21:16 +0200
Re: DEC and The Americans "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-01-28 10:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "jack" <jkl8976@nospam.com> - 2016-01-26 05:48 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-26 13:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-01-26 17:43 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-02-03 00:36 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-02 18:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-03 14:25 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-03 12:58 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-04 15:14 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 05:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 04:42 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-06 11:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-06 18:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 15:49 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-07 05:33 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-07 11:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-07 11:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-07 20:06 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:06 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:52 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:56 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 12:33 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 16:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:08 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 06:10 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-04 13:42 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-04 14:23 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-05 14:32 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:05 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 10:34 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-05 13:08 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-05 15:34 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-06 14:35 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-06 14:45 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:05 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-07 17:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-07 12:07 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-08 21:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-07 19:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:53 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:11 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:49 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:43 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-06 13:18 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 14:22 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-06 20:52 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-07 07:09 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-06 16:38 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-06 20:09 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 06:18 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:10 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-07 19:57 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-07 19:24 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-07 09:45 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:16 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 12:22 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 11:16 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-09 13:55 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:49 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-08 16:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 17:47 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:01 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-06 16:13 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:49 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-07 12:12 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:26 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-07 15:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:09 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 03:56 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 13:59 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-08 14:28 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-08 14:38 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2016-02-08 15:56 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-08 19:17 +0100
Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-08 17:19 -0700
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:03 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:09 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-09 17:27 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-02-09 10:36 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Andy Burns <usenet.jan2016@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2016-02-08 19:08 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-09 14:21 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:10 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 02:52 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-11 14:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-11 11:20 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 04:58 +1100
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:57 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-11 21:22 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-11 17:07 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:11 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-11 15:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-11 17:56 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-11 22:36 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-12 00:35 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:47 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 05:04 -0600
Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:22 -0400
Re: DEC and The Americans davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2016-02-12 23:19 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:42 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-12 23:32 -0800
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-16 15:58 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-08 16:46 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 02:05 +1100
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Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-09 15:47 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 19:01 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-10 07:34 +0100
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Re: DEC and The Americans Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-12 04:03 -0400
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Re: DEC and The Americans jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-27 15:42 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 18:34 -0500
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Re: DEC and The Americans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-28 07:26 -0800
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Re: DEC and The Americans Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-28 19:23 -0500
Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-01-29 14:07 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:12 +0000
Re: DEC and The Americans mausg@mail.com - 2016-01-29 21:11 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-01-30 12:48 -0800
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Re: DEC and The Americans scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-01 14:42 +0000
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Re: DEC and The Americans bleep@compy.0-0 (Colonel Bleep) - 2016-01-30 07:07 +0000
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| From | "Hilo Black" <hbk897@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-10 02:05 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dhudi9F32qiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159095 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com... > Jon Elson wrote: >> jmfbahciv wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> they all hooked up to a computer? >> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be >> operated >> by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this >> could >> be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >> But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other >> axes, >> so that would be almost impossible to do manually. > > I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. > > After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have > renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques > used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could > replicate what he makes. It can do stuff he can't like hollow metal objects, unless he casts those.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 15:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbk2jj.ghj.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159103 |
On 2016-02-09, Hilo Black <hbk897@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com... >> Jon Elson wrote: >>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>> they all hooked up to a computer? >>> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be >>> operated >>> by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this >>> could >>> be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >>> But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other >>> axes, >>> so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >> >> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >> >> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >> replicate what he makes. > > It can do stuff he can't like hollow metal objects, unless he casts those. > Plus, for most bits, he cannot get wrought steel, which means that most of the stuff, unless kept well painted, will be gome in a few years. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 15:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <chnuy.368672$Eo2.353088@fx19.iad> |
| In reply to | #159095 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >Jon Elson wrote: >> jmfbahciv wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> they all hooked up to a computer? >> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >> by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >> be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >> But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >> so that would be almost impossible to do manually. > >I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. > >After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >renewed interest. There has never been a lack of interest in metallurgy. In fact, there has been great strides made in new materials over the last two decades, particularly with aluminum alloys for aerospace. >I started to wonder about the techniques >used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >replicate what he makes. Use a 3-D scanner feeding specs to a 3-D printer.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbk2fb.ghj.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159095 |
On 2016-02-09, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Jon Elson wrote: >> jmfbahciv wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> they all hooked up to a computer? >> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >> by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >> be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >> But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >> so that would be almost impossible to do manually. > > I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. > > After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have > renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques > used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could > replicate what he makes. > > /BAH No. Either blacksmithing proper or farrying (horseshoes) are skilled occupations (I know a man that brought his farrier with him, when having a horse run in Australia, and no, it didn't win. (Computer controlled cutting of outlines is allowing fancy gates to be made, the gate itself is done with hammers and anvils. One, whenever I see it in action, reminds me of the gates of Mordor in the LOTR film.) -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-09 19:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159095 |
In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com says... > > Jon Elson wrote: > > jmfbahciv wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are > >> they all hooked up to a computer? > > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated > > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could > > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. > > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, > > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. > > I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. > > After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have > renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques > used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could > replicate what he makes. Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-10 12:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B69CB35F229@aca446e2.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159121 |
J. Clarke wrote: > In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com > says... >> >> Jon Elson wrote: >> > jmfbahciv wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >> >> they all hooked up to a computer? >> > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >> > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >> > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >> > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >> > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >> >> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >> >> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >> replicate what he makes. > > Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes > the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. Those microstructure changes are important. /BAH
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-10 07:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <592roc-nc1.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #159121 |
In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >says... >> >> Jon Elson wrote: >> > jmfbahciv wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >> >> they all hooked up to a computer? >> > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >> > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >> > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >> > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >> > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >> >> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >> >> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >> replicate what he makes. > >Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat forged and welded. -- mrr
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-11 04:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87pow38x9j.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159145 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: > In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, > > J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >> says... >>> >>> Jon Elson wrote: >>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>>> they all hooked up to a computer? >>>> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be >>>> operated by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in >>>> place, then this could be done, but it would be quite a bit more >>>> complex that typical machining. But, with the angular axes in >>>> motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, so that would be >>>> almost impossible to do manually. >>> >>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>> >>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>> replicate what he makes. Tangentially OT: I was at MIT to present seminars on blacksmithing in, oh, I think '85. I visited the robotics lab where they had hacked-together robots that could play paddle ball and could catch a tennis ball thrown across a room. I asked about a robot that could do simple forging with hammer and anvil (and allowing a substitute medium that didn't have to be red hot to be malleable). The answer at that time was, "It's too hard." Just off hand, I don't think there are *shapes* done at the anvil that couldn't be 3D printed. But getting solid steel with structural strength similar to hand forgings is, AFAIK, still in the future. Printer-controlled plasma or vapor deposition? Did the OP cite plaes doing that for production? Sis I miss that? >> Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >> the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. > > No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat > forged and welded. > > -- mrr -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-11 13:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B7E9FA8F3ED@aca41ec9.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159147 |
Mike Spencer wrote: > > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: > >> In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, >> >> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>> says... >>>> >>>> Jon Elson wrote: >>>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>>>> they all hooked up to a computer? >>>>> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be >>>>> operated by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in >>>>> place, then this could be done, but it would be quite a bit more >>>>> complex that typical machining. But, with the angular axes in >>>>> motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, so that would be >>>>> almost impossible to do manually. >>>> >>>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>>> >>>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>>> replicate what he makes. > > Tangentially OT: I was at MIT to present seminars on blacksmithing in, > oh, I think '85. I visited the robotics lab where they had > hacked-together robots that could play paddle ball and could catch a > tennis ball thrown across a room. I asked about a robot that could do > simple forging with hammer and anvil (and allowing a substitute medium > that didn't have to be red hot to be malleable). The answer at that > time was, "It's too hard." It would be interesting to hear what their answer is today. > > Just off hand, I don't think there are *shapes* done at the anvil that > couldn't be 3D printed. But getting solid steel with structural > strength similar to hand forgings is, AFAIK, still in the future. Is that forging done by "feel"? > Printer-controlled plasma or vapor deposition? Did the OP cite plaes > doing that for production? Sis I miss that? > >>> Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >>> the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. >> >> No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat >> forged and welded. >> >> -- mrr /BAH >
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 04:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <di3vc9Fg3ivU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159149 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052B7E9FA8F3ED@aca41ec9.ipt.aol.com... > Mike Spencer wrote: >> >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >> >>> In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> >>> J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>> says... >>>>> >>>>> Jon Elson wrote: >>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>>>>> they all hooked up to a computer? >>>>>> It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be >>>>>> operated by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in >>>>>> place, then this could be done, but it would be quite a bit more >>>>>> complex that typical machining. But, with the angular axes in >>>>>> motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, so that would be >>>>>> almost impossible to do manually. >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>>>> >>>>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>>>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>>>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>>>> replicate what he makes. >> >> Tangentially OT: I was at MIT to present seminars on blacksmithing in, >> oh, I think '85. I visited the robotics lab where they had >> hacked-together robots that could play paddle ball and could catch a >> tennis ball thrown across a room. I asked about a robot that could do >> simple forging with hammer and anvil (and allowing a substitute medium >> that didn't have to be red hot to be malleable). The answer at that >> time was, "It's too hard." > > It would be interesting to hear what their answer is today. It's still true today. There is currently no substituted for that sort of operation. Not done by hand with industrial processes, that sort of forging is still done by machine and produces a much better result in what has been produced. Still can't do that with any 3D printer. >> Just off hand, I don't think there are *shapes* done at the anvil that >> couldn't be 3D printed. But getting solid steel with structural >> strength similar to hand forgings is, AFAIK, still in the future. > Is that forging done by "feel"? Not when done by machines obviously. >> Printer-controlled plasma or vapor deposition? Did the OP cite plaes >> doing that for production? Sis I miss that? >> >>>> Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >>>> the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. >>> >>> No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat >>> forged and welded.
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 04:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87k2ma8iff.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159149 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: > Mike Spencer wrote: > >> Just off hand, I don't think there are *shapes* done at the anvil that >> couldn't be 3D printed. But getting solid steel with structural >> strength similar to hand forgings is, AFAIK, still in the future. > > Is that forging done by "feel"? You mean hand forging? At the anvil, visual, sound and feel all count. Steel/iron that's too cold or of a less malleable alloy feels different when you hit it. I haven't done any bronze forging but I gather from those who have that feel is very important because the forging temp is hard to judge visually. Very important in raising cold copper where feel tells you when it's time to anneal again. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 13:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052B92ADC148D1@aca41049.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159173 |
Mike Spencer wrote: > > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: > >> Mike Spencer wrote: >> >>> Just off hand, I don't think there are *shapes* done at the anvil that >>> couldn't be 3D printed. But getting solid steel with structural >>> strength similar to hand forgings is, AFAIK, still in the future. >> >> Is that forging done by "feel"? > > You mean hand forging? Yea. > At the anvil, visual, sound and feel all count. oh, it sounds different. > Steel/iron that's too cold or of a less malleable alloy feels > different when you hit it. I haven't done any bronze forging but I > gather from those who have that feel is very important because the > forging temp is hard to judge visually. Very important in raising > cold copper where feel tells you when it's time to anneal again. > Do you think smell is involved? /BAH
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 15:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8760xtyafj.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159186 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: > Mike Spencer wrote: > >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >> >> You mean hand forging? > > Yea. > >> At the anvil, visual, sound and feel all count. > > oh, it sounds different. > >> Steel/iron that's too cold or of a less malleable alloy feels >> different when you hit it. I haven't done any bronze forging but I >> gather from those who have that feel is very important because the >> forging temp is hard to judge visually. Very important in raising >> cold copper where feel tells you when it's time to anneal again. >> > Do you think smell is involved? Don't think so. Can't think of anything. Well, except that if you smell the *wrong kind* of smoke, you've maybe set something on fire other than the forge fuel and you should have a quick look-around before the smithy burns down. Here's a sound item, though: The old-timers said, "Black-hot irons burns worse than red hot iron." Counter-intuitive, eh? But of you pick up a piece of red-hot iron, you *hear* it sizzle, you drop it and your hand is in the quench tub before it begins hurt. Done that myself, which is how I became aware of the explanation. But if you pick up black-hot iron, it doesn't sizzle. You first realize something is wrong when the signal propagates up your arm to the spinal cord and into your brain and gets interpreted as pain, a critical few tens of milliseconds later that the audio signal took to reach your brain in the red-hot case. (Not to mention that sometimes skin can stick down to black-hot iron so that when you drop it, skin goes away with the iron.) -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-11 14:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <3C0vy.39916$kI5.31919@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #159145 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, >J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>says... >>> >>> Jon Elson wrote: >>> > jmfbahciv wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>> >> they all hooked up to a computer? >>> > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >>> > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >>> > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >>> > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >>> > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >>> >>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>> >>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>> replicate what he makes. >> >>Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >>the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. > >No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat >forged and welded. Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel....
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-11 18:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbplfj.18h.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159150 |
On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, >>J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>says... >>>> >>>> Jon Elson wrote: >>>> > jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>> >> they all hooked up to a computer? >>>> > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >>>> > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >>>> > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >>>> > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >>>> > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >>>> >>>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>>> >>>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>>> replicate what he makes. >>> >>>Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >>>the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. >> >>No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat >>forged and welded. > > Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. Again, the Samurei stuff is being made. I suppose that the whole concepts are in the `industrial revolution' idea of replacing skills with basic skills. The middle ages guilds to modern replacable workers. I heard of a story a while ago, of someone going to Japan to find out more about a company that made a superior product, modern office, after a lot of waffle, out back to where a group of half-naked men bashed a lump of stuff, as in picture of Coalbrookdale from 200 years before. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-11 13:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <2uppbbhkinu63j8dn9gmcd7u8i6p6uu5u1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159156 |
On 11 Feb 2016 18:42:11 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote: >On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>In article <MPG.312447e51d0d1f0d989f5f@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>In article <PM00052B570F39222F@aca405cc.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com >>>>says... >>>>> >>>>> Jon Elson wrote: >>>>> > jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Thanks. :-) Kewl. Are any of the n-axis tools run by hand or are >>>>> >> they all hooked up to a computer? >>>>> > It would be VERY strange for a general 4- or 5-axis machine to be operated >>>>> > by hand. If the angular axes were set and locked in place, then this could >>>>> > be done, but it would be quite a bit more complex that typical machining. >>>>> > But, with the angular axes in motion, it affects offsets of the other axes, >>>>> > so that would be almost impossible to do manually. >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking of a machinist god who has the talent. >>>>> >>>>> After reading all of the posts, it looks like metallurgy will have >>>>> renewed interest. I started to wonder about the techniques >>>>> used by our local blacksmith. I don't see how 3-D printing could >>>>> replicate what he makes. >>>> >>>>Scan it, print it. Wouldn't be the same as a forging (forging changes >>>>the microstructure in beneficial ways) but could look pretty close. >>> >>>No, you would not get Bessemer steel. But it would probably beat >>>forged and welded. >> >> Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... > >Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. >Again, the Samurei stuff is being made. >I suppose that the whole concepts are in the `industrial revolution' >idea of replacing skills with basic skills. The middle ages guilds >to modern replacable workers. > >I heard of a story a while ago, of someone going to Japan to find >out more about a company that made a superior product, modern office, >after a lot of waffle, out back to where a group of half-naked men >bashed a lump of stuff, as in picture of Coalbrookdale from 200 years >before. I've wat hed a show on History that highlighted swordsmiths in the US and Europe who are trying to recover the old style sword making over 1000 AD and before. They stated that some things they have figured out, but not all things on how swords were made back then. -- JimP.
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 08:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbr50o.8ra.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #159156 |
On 11 Feb 2016 18:42:11 GMT, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote: > On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... > > Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. > Again, the Samurei stuff is being made. > I suppose that the whole concepts are in the `industrial revolution' > idea of replacing skills with basic skills. The middle ages guilds > to modern replacable workers. I was watching a tv show where they were making a replica of a Mediaeval sword. The amount of skill shown by the blacksmith was amazing. The sword consisted of strips of iron twisted and folded and hammered until there were about 60 strips altogether then high-carbon steel cutting edges were hammer welded on and the sword shaped, sharpened, polished and browned. They had an original to copy which had been x-rayed to reveal how it had been made - those anciant swordsmiths really knew their stuff! -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 12:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n9l8tf$mfe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159174 |
"Stan Barr" <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote in message news:slrnnbr50o.8ra.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de... > On 11 Feb 2016 18:42:11 GMT, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote: >> On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>> Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... >> >> Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. >> Again, the Samurei stuff is being made. >> I suppose that the whole concepts are in the `industrial revolution' >> idea of replacing skills with basic skills. The middle ages guilds >> to modern replacable workers. > > I was watching a tv show where they were making a replica of a > Mediaeval sword. The amount of skill shown by the blacksmith was > amazing. The sword consisted of strips of iron twisted and folded and > hammered until there were about 60 strips altogether then high-carbon > steel cutting edges were hammer welded on and the sword shaped, > sharpened, polished and browned. They had an original to copy which > had been x-rayed to reveal how it had been made - those anciant > swordsmiths really knew their stuff! > There is a PBS "educational" show that often "borrows" video from the BBC, re-cuts it, and adds American narration... the show is called NOVA. There is a NOVA episode like this called "Secrets of the Viking Sword": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6woycxQzA0 -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 04:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8737sy8ger.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #159156 |
mausg@mail.com writes: > On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > >> Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... > > Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. Happily not true. Google "wootz". Here'a a guy I've watched make wootz steel: http://www.northshoreforge.com/page6/index.html For a pretty good fictional account of what I've see Greg Obach do for real, read Stephenson's The Confusion. Pattern welded steel has also had a great resurgence. Daryl Meier at (formerly at?) S. Ill. U. has done stunning work that leaves the 19th c. shotgun barrels in the dust. Don't have a URL. > I heard of a story a while ago, of someone going to Japan to find > out more about a company that made a superior product, modern office, > after a lot of waffle, out back to where a group of half-naked men > bashed a lump of stuff, as in picture of Coalbrookdale from 200 years > before. I doubt that story but I like it! Any reference/link by chance? -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-12 12:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnbrjf6.198.mausg@smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #159178 |
On 2016-02-12, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > mausg@mail.com writes: > >> On 2016-02-11, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> >>> Unless you're aiming for Damasacus steel.... >> >> Which, AFAIK, cannot be made now, some of the secrets forgotten. > > Happily not true. Google "wootz". Here'a a guy I've watched make > wootz steel: > > http://www.northshoreforge.com/page6/index.html > > For a pretty good fictional account of what I've see Greg Obach > do for real, read Stephenson's The Confusion. Thats where I read most recently about it > > Pattern welded steel has also had a great resurgence. Daryl Meier at > (formerly at?) S. Ill. U. has done stunning work that leaves the 19th > c. shotgun barrels in the dust. Don't have a URL. > >> I heard of a story a while ago, of someone going to Japan to find >> out more about a company that made a superior product, modern office, >> after a lot of waffle, out back to where a group of half-naked men >> bashed a lump of stuff, as in picture of Coalbrookdale from 200 years >> before. > > I doubt that story but I like it! Any reference/link by chance? orry, its fallen into that rapidly enlarging black home in my mind. -- greymaus . . ...
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