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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000 |
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Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 19:37 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 21:54 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 04:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 23:31 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 08:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-06 07:41 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 06:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-11-04 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:48 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:45 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 22:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 22:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 23:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-04 08:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:20 +0000
[OT] Fujitsu Horizon (was: Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Fujitsu Horizon Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-05 09:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:09 -0700
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 22:59 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:10 -0700
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 16:57 +0800
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 04:48 +0800
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:11 -0700
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:54 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:59 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:04 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 03:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-05 06:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:45 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:32 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:40 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:02 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-05 15:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:15 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:23 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:53 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 22:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:14 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 12:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 15:59 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:09 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:45 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-07 07:37 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:49 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 14:54 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-07 13:31 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-08 02:56 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-11-08 21:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 20:03 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-07 20:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 21:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-08 01:23 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 03:33 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:54 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:58 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-07 16:04 -1000
NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-08 05:59 -0800
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 08:11 -1000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:31 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-08 13:45 -0800
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 12:21 -1000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 23:51 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-08 20:33 -0700
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-08 22:59 -0500
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-09 07:32 -1000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-09 21:20 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-09 22:07 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 10:37 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 12:22 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-10 06:31 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:14 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 20:36 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 23:09 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:00 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 06:32 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:56 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:41 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:48 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:35 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:46 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 21:53 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:07 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 21:23 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 07:35 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 22:45 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:25 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:31 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-10 07:29 -1000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-10 07:55 -1000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 12:19 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 23:09 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 03:59 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 09:08 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 12:31 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-11 20:33 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 17:25 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 10:36 +0100
Airliners and travel time (was: Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 10:32 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-12 02:06 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 08:11 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-12 15:21 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 15:29 +0000
Re: what's a boat, was mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-12 19:38 +0000
Re: what's a boat, was mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 20:11 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-11 21:19 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:50 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-11 22:52 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-12 00:50 -0500
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 18:46 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 21:51 +0100
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 22:41 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-12 23:10 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-13 07:31 +0000
Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 23:31 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 12:16 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:14 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-10 21:43 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:03 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 12:36 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:41 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 08:42 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 16:49 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-11 17:18 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 10:06 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 18:13 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:57 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-12 00:39 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 06:18 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 18:46 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 20:38 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 22:41 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 07:32 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 17:16 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 20:46 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-12 19:56 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 20:43 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 14:11 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 22:41 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 16:57 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-12 15:10 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 18:46 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 19:03 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 06:22 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-12 07:28 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 07:41 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-12 15:09 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 18:46 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-11 20:33 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 22:38 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 22:21 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 00:20 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 10:40 +0100
PCs and Mainframes (Re: what's a mainframe) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 18:50 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-12 23:07 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 22:44 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:15 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:45 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 06:35 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-12 07:26 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 07:55 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 08:24 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-12 09:50 -0800
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 18:46 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-12 19:42 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-12 19:44 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 07:40 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 10:51 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:47 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 22:36 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 06:41 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 06:32 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 10:49 +0100
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-13 02:05 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 07:37 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-12 15:27 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 20:33 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-13 07:33 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 21:42 -0500
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:23 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-12 10:33 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-12 21:00 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 22:41 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-13 01:58 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-12 20:00 -0700
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-13 04:38 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-13 04:00 +0000
Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-13 00:09 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-10 07:09 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 07:27 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 10:50 +0100
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 07:37 -0700
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:18 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 22:02 +0100
Re: torn tape skates, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:19 +0000
Re: torn tape skates, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:09 +0100
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:29 -0500
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:19 +0100
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 19:55 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-10 10:45 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:16 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 19:57 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-09 04:42 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 10:01 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 20:51 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 11:08 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-09 15:59 +0000
Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-09 09:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 08:32 -1000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:32 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 11:55 -1000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-08 21:49 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:08 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:36 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 20:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:19 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-05 15:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 09:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:20 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:52 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:59 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:36 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:42 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:43 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:32 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-11-04 11:32 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 18:52 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 05:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-05 18:43 -0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 06:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-11-06 21:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 04:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-11-06 21:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-07 05:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-07 05:39 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 06:25 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 22:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:53 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-04 01:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-03 19:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:31 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-03 05:28 -0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 04:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 04:05 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:04 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 23:05 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 04:15 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 00:14 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:24 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 06:21 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 07:10 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 07:00 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:28 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-11-04 16:50 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-06 03:02 +0100
Re: [OT] what's a byte, was mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 02:44 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-05 19:57 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 16:01 -0700
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:06 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 02:50 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 15:25 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-11-04 16:44 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 17:30 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 04:33 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-07 07:30 -0700
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 19:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:29 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:23 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:18 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 02:07 +0000
Re: [OT] highly reliable upgradable mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:06 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 03:54 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:54 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 17:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:36 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 07:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-03 05:44 -0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:38 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-03 22:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:58 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-05 17:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-03 21:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-02 15:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:16 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:58 +0000
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 07:56 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d1vna$34crb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236772 |
On 11/11/26 07:32, Lars Poulsen wrote: > I never did channel programming at the SIO instruction level, but a > colleague who did, told me that once mounted, you could copy one tape to > another with a single SIO instruction, including backspace-retry on read > and write errors. I guess you could: read a block, transfer-in-channel (TIC) to read the next. You'd get an exception at end-of-tape. The error recovery was handled automatically by Data Management: back up and retry the read three times. If it still failed the programmer would have specified whether the bad block was skipped of if they'd get an error. I only got to play with EXCP once or twice. > > My direct experience with channel programming relates to programming a > Z80 on a UNIBUS card to simulate reads and writes on a selector channel > in order for a VAX to drive a line printer (really a Xerox 9700 laser > printer - Paul Kyzivat of DEC write the VMS symbiont for it). Sounds like a fun project!
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 07:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d1uqp$341f0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236765 |
On 11/11/26 04:00, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >> On 11/10/26 15:14, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >>>> "Fully offloaded" is a bit weasel worded. I thought PCs did offload some >>>> duties to io devices, nic chip, wifi chip, gpu card. sound card. Also, >>>> even a mainframe will need service routines to handle communications >>>> with IO devices. Where to draw the line seems unclear. >>> >>> Fully offloaded is accurate. For the Burroughs mainframes, a single >>> instruction -initiated- an I/O request to a channel. The IIO (later >>> SPIO) instruction would instruct the I/O processor (in the late 70s >>> the IOP used an 8085 uProcessor) to initiate an I/O by passing a >>> 6-digit (24-bit) opcode/variant word and the start and end addresses >>> of the buffer. The IOP would pass the command to a Data-Link Processor >>> (DLP) that handled communications to the device controller (magnetic >>> tape, disk) or unit record device (printer, card reader, card punch) >>> or external communications processor (RS232/20ma current loop) and wait >>> for the controller to start passing data back to the IOP. The IOP >>> would move the data to the appropriate memory buffer and, when complete, >>> signal the processor that the I/O had completed with an interrupt. >>> >> >> Yes, you can give me a lot of details, but I'm not seeing the >> fundamental difference between that and DMA IO devices that have been >> around since the first IBM PC in 1981. > > First of all, those capabilities where standard - to the point where DMA > wasn't mentioned as a feature because it was an assumed part of the tech > baseline - in mainframes long before the 1980s. > >> As I said I'm naive of this kind of low level stuff, but from my view as >> an application programmer I'm failing to see a fundamental difference >> from a PC, offloading an IO task to a non CPU device with communication >> via registers, interrupts and DMA. > > Does not compare. In the PC case, the controller with DMA handles simple > requests such as "fetch X blocks of data from address Y on block device > Z". For mainframe channel systems, while they also do this, they can do > a lot more since they can run dedicated programs send to them as part of > the request - including processing the data beyond "get me some bytes". > > Other folks already mentioned examples like telling the channel controller > to go grab a specific file from the filesystem on an attached block device. > > On a PC, only the actual fetching of disk blocks would be offloaded to > the controller and the filesystem handling (reading the start of the file- > system, traversing the file system structures to find the list of blocks > occupied by the file and its size) would have been done by the CPU. > > Kind regards, > Alex. ISAM channel programs would look up the desired key in the index, read the index record and store the disk address further down in the channel program (I'm a bit vague on details, so I don't know if this was done by the channel program or if there was a "program controlled interrupt" (PCI) bit set to have an interrupt routine do this), and then continue on and read the record - all in one I/O operation.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 21:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d2nra$3e1fm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236774 |
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 07:41:27 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > ISAM channel programs would look up the desired key in the index, > read the index record and store the disk address further down in the > channel program (I'm a bit vague on details, so I don't know if this > was done by the channel program or if there was a "program > controlled interrupt" (PCI) bit set to have an interrupt routine do > this), and then continue on and read the record - all in one I/O > operation. DEC’s platforms never had this kind of complex hardware. On the other hand, doing everything in software meant they could add features to their ISAM stack like key compression and even record compression. To handle this sort of thing in an I/O channel controller, you end up making it a general-purpose CPU anyway.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 15:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <_W%IS.1654$f83.1319@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #236765 |
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> writes: >Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >> On 11/10/26 15:14, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> > >Does not compare. In the PC case, the controller with DMA handles simple >requests such as "fetch X blocks of data from address Y on block device >Z". For mainframe channel systems, while they also do this, they can do >a lot more since they can run dedicated programs send to them as part of >the request - including processing the data beyond "get me some bytes". In the early days of the PC, the "DMA controller" was not part of the peripheral itself, but rather external to the peripheral. It was programmed to simply send a sequence of load or store requests to the actual controller (e.g. pre-IDE disks, 8250 UART, etc).
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 23:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <_RSdnSzGicC6bm73nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #236726 |
On 11/10/26 10:14, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: >> On 11/10/26 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> >>> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe >>> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back >>> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home >>> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- >>> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their >> >> "Fully offloaded" is a bit weasel worded. I thought PCs did offload some >> duties to io devices, nic chip, wifi chip, gpu card. sound card. Also, >> even a mainframe will need service routines to handle communications >> with IO devices. Where to draw the line seems unclear. > > Fully offloaded is accurate. For the Burroughs mainframes, a single > instruction -initiated- an I/O request to a channel. The IIO (later > SPIO) instruction would instruct the I/O processor (in the late 70s > the IOP used an 8085 uProcessor) to initiate an I/O by passing a > 6-digit (24-bit) opcode/variant word and the start and end addresses > of the buffer. The IOP would pass the command to a Data-Link Processor > (DLP) that handled communications to the device controller (magnetic > tape, disk) or unit record device (printer, card reader, card punch) > or external communications processor (RS232/20ma current loop) and wait > for the controller to start passing data back to the IOP. The IOP > would move the data to the appropriate memory buffer and, when complete, > signal the processor that the I/O had completed with an interrupt. Esp in the Bad Old Days, "smart perips" were VERY important. The CPU just sent a LITTLE stuff to them. Very CPU/RAM/Cycle efficient. Flip - left you hostage to the periph "IQ", often no ways to tweak/enhance it all. >> >> Caveat: I don't have a clue about these things, it is just that what you >> are saying doesn't sound quite right. Me ... SEEN it all - the plusses AND minuses. The somewhat older group members will have seen MORE of that. The newbies think NOTHING from the past can possibly inform them, pave the way. Horribly wrong ... but you'll never convince them. For them it's now all "AI" ... until it displaces them entirely. Can ya say "Would You Like Fries With That ?" in three or four languages ??? :-)
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 21:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <slrn11f7126.2r6g7.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #236719 |
Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/26 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>
>> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe
>> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back
>> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
>> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
>> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
>
> "Fully offloaded" is a bit weasel worded. I thought PCs did offload some
> duties to io devices, nic chip, wifi chip, gpu card. sound card. Also,
> even a mainframe will need service routines to handle communications
> with IO devices. Where to draw the line seems unclear.
That came much later. Even in the 1990s, the typical PC had an IDE
controller for storage (SCSI, which offloaded some work onto the controller
was something found in servers, workstations and PCs of people who cared
about such things), the NIC was a far cry from modern DPUs - there were
even NICs that essentially consisted of the bus PHY, the Ethernet PHY and
some minimal glue logic (doing even Ethernet framing in the driver running
on the CPU). GPUs in the modern sense weren't there yet, but fancy graphics
cards with some (mostly 2D, 3D was just getting started) acceleration did
exist. And sound cards handled mostly AD/DA and some analog mixing and
maybe synthesis.
> Caveat: I don't have a clue about these things, it is just that what you
> are saying doesn't sound quite right.
PC tech has come a loooong way since then.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 22:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d04j8$1sic$2@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #236719 |
According to Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com>: >On 11/10/26 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe >> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back >> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home >> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- >> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their > >"Fully offloaded" is a bit weasel worded. It varied a lot. The large 360s had channels that were separate computers sharing memory with the CPU. The 360/30 had one microcode engine that both implemented the CPU and the channel. When it did disk I/O the CPU pretty much stopped because the channel had a lot to do. One of the impressive parts of the 360's architecture is that you could run the same code on large and small systems and it would work so long as it didn't make assumptions about how long things would take. >I thought PCs did offload some duties to io devices, nic chip, wifi chip, gpu card. sound card. Now they do. In the 1970s not so much. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 21:23 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <2CqdnS8yf5ItTG73nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #236719 |
On 11/10/26 07:22, Pancho wrote: > On 11/10/26 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe >> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back >> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home >> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- >> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their > > "Fully offloaded" is a bit weasel worded. I thought PCs did offload some > duties to io devices, nic chip, wifi chip, gpu card. sound card. Also, > even a mainframe will need service routines to handle communications > with IO devices. Where to draw the line seems unclear. > > Caveat: I don't have a clue about these things, it is just that what you > are saying doesn't sound quite right. Well, nothing is SIMPLE here ..... Kind of why I asked how people defined "mainframe" vs "mini". No CLEAR line apparently. And the line MOVES.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 07:35 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11cva4h$27ikm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236717 |
On 11/10/26 02:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 11/9/26 16:20, John Levine wrote: >>> According to c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>: >>>> Noted in this group though - I/O arch diffs between >>>> mainframes and minis. >>>> >>>> Will someone try to elaborate ? >>> >>> The classic difference is that mainframes have channels, so the >>> processor sets up a bunch of work for the channel to do, the channel >>> goes off and does it independently of the CPU. Minis had much less >>> complex I/O controllers so they do more detailed stuff. An example I >>> gave a few messages back was for a card reader. A mainframe starts a >>> channel program, it reads in a card or maybe seveal cards, and reports >>> back with an interrupt. On a mini there was an I/O operation to start >>> the card reader, an interrupt for each column and an I/O to read it, >>> and then something at the end to stop the reader or go to the next >>> card. >>> >>> But that was 40 or 50 years ago. These days even cheap generic disk >>> controllers do more than channels did in the 1960s, e.g., keep a queue >>> of requests and schedule them to minimize delay, and handle spare block >>> replacement for bad blocks. >>> >>> Modern mainframes have extremely capable channels but the distinction is >>> more about reliability and things like hardware and software upgrades in >>> place without rebooting. >> >> Ok ... so 'mainframes' as you saw them were more >> 'directors' for distributed processing rather >> than THE processor. > > No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe > CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back > then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home > computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- > loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their > own: > - CPU tells I/O interface (channel): "Do this I/O" > - CPU goes back to computing, channel does some I/O heavy lifting > - channel has completed I/O and sends an "Hey, I'm done" interrupt > to the CPU > A prime example of neat code is that HASP (now JES) printed an entire page with one channel program instead of a line at a time. It also read a number of cards with one channel program instead of one card at a time, or, as someone has mentioned, one card column at a time.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <5vJIS.76787$i43.66245@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #236723 |
On 2026-11-10, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > A prime example of neat code is that HASP (now JES) printed an entire > page with one channel program instead of a line at a time. It also read > a number of cards with one channel program instead of one card at a > time, or, as someone has mentioned, one card column at a time. The coolest channel program I ever saw was one I cribbed from a boot loader and enhanced a bit. You passed it a file name and a device address, and it would go out to the drive, find out where the VTOC (volume table of contents) lived, seek to it, and search for the format 1 label that described the file you were looking for. Mind you, it tied up the channel for the duration, but the machine I was working on didn't multitask, so it was a win for me. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 22:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d06qe$2iil7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236723 |
On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 07:35:59 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > A prime example of neat code is that HASP (now JES) printed an > entire page with one channel program instead of a line at a time. That’s how PostScript printers worked: a whole bunch of commands to render the page image, then a “showpage” to actually print it out.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 23:25 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <t7udnZtzVNikc273nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #236723 |
On 11/10/26 09:35, Peter Flass wrote: > On 11/10/26 02:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> On 11/9/26 16:20, John Levine wrote: >>>> According to c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>: >>>>> Noted in this group though - I/O arch diffs between >>>>> mainframes and minis. >>>>> >>>>> Will someone try to elaborate ? >>>> >>>> The classic difference is that mainframes have channels, so the >>>> processor sets up a bunch of work for the channel to do, the channel >>>> goes off and does it independently of the CPU. Minis had much less >>>> complex I/O controllers so they do more detailed stuff. An example I >>>> gave a few messages back was for a card reader. A mainframe starts a >>>> channel program, it reads in a card or maybe seveal cards, and reports >>>> back with an interrupt. On a mini there was an I/O operation to start >>>> the card reader, an interrupt for each column and an I/O to read it, >>>> and then something at the end to stop the reader or go to the next >>>> card. >>>> >>>> But that was 40 or 50 years ago. These days even cheap generic disk >>>> controllers do more than channels did in the 1960s, e.g., keep a queue >>>> of requests and schedule them to minimize delay, and handle spare block >>>> replacement for bad blocks. >>>> >>>> Modern mainframes have extremely capable channels but the >>>> distinction is >>>> more about reliability and things like hardware and software >>>> upgrades in >>>> place without rebooting. >>> >>> Ok ... so 'mainframes' as you saw them were more >>> 'directors' for distributed processing rather >>> than THE processor. >> >> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe >> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back >> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home >> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- >> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their >> own: >> - CPU tells I/O interface (channel): "Do this I/O" >> - CPU goes back to computing, channel does some I/O heavy lifting >> - channel has completed I/O and sends an "Hey, I'm done" interrupt >> to the CPU >> > > A prime example of neat code is that HASP (now JES) printed an entire > page with one channel program instead of a line at a time. It also read > a number of cards with one channel program instead of one card at a > time, or, as someone has mentioned, one card column at a time. "Smart" periphs are good ... but also a kind of trap. Ideally the CPU does almost everything - so you can optimize/tweak. But esp in the Olde Days the CPU really wasn't that strong or had that many resources.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 15:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <nT%IS.1653$f83.1479@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #236759 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes: >On 11/10/26 09:35, Peter Flass wrote: >> On 11/10/26 02:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> >> >> A prime example of neat code is that HASP (now JES) printed an entire >> page with one channel program instead of a line at a time. It also read >> a number of cards with one channel program instead of one card at a >> time, or, as someone has mentioned, one card column at a time. > > "Smart" periphs are good ... but also > a kind of trap. Not really. The Mainframe controllers (Burroughs) in the 1970s and 1980s offloaded work from the central CPU that could be used for actual work. Whether it was the line printers, card readers, tape drives, disk drives or terminal concentrators. > > Ideally the CPU does almost everything - so you > can optimize/tweak. Can you describe _anything_ that could be optimized or tweaked, on the host CPU that cannot be more easily done by the adapter/controller hardware? > > But esp in the Olde Days the CPU really wasn't > that strong or had that many resources. Especially today, it would be a huge waste to have the CPU interacting closely with the controllers on a per request basis, much less on each data transfer. NVMe controllers support multiple queues - the host OS simple queues requests(s) to the controller asynchronously and is notified (if desired) upon completion. To avoid per-request overhead, interrupt moderation techniques are used in the networking space (which use similar queueing mechanisms) and in the NVMe space. Additionally, most modern high-end devices support SRIOV virtualization capabilities, which allows guest operating systems direct access to the peripheral hardware, eliminating multiple trips throught the hypervisor on each request.
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| From | Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 07:29 -1000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <87eccsppbj.fsf@localhost> |
| In reply to | #236717 |
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> writes: > No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe > CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back > then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home > computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off- > loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their > own: > - CPU tells I/O interface (channel): "Do this I/O" > - CPU goes back to computing, channel does some I/O heavy lifting > - channel has completed I/O and sends an "Hey, I'm done" interrupt > to the CPU Original 360, there was limited processor and storage, but a lof of excess channel capacity ... as a result things like finding data was offloaded to channels ... which would "search" for desired data ... and as a result, channels ran half-duplex ... with channel dedicated to single operation ... constantly pulling search argument from processor storage. Move into 80s, storage got lot more abundant ... and channel architecture increasingly channel I/O increasingly became system throughput bottleneck. Early 80s, I wrote tome that 60s era 360/67 could get 70-80 CP67/CMS users on system ... and early 80s, with IBM processors getting 40-50 times faster and storage increasing 40-50 larger, should be able be see 3000-4000 users, but was only seeing 300-400 users (because disks & channels throughput only increased 3-5 times (partly because half-duplex operation increasingly played a latency role in fully being able to see benefits of any speed increase). A IBM disk division executive took exception and assigned the division performance group to refute the claim. After a couple weeks, they came back and said I had slightly understated the issue. 1988, one of issues of being able to see significant increase in throughput with LLNL serial stuff ... becoming fibre-channel standard was running full-duplex being able to concurrently transmit and receive on 1gbit speed links (w/o having to wait for full round-trip hand-shaking). Note: 1980, IBM STL (since renamed SVL) was bursting at seams and 300 people/terminals from IMS group were being moved to offsite bldg, with dataprocessing service back to STL datacenter. They had tried "remote 3270" but found human factors totally unacceptable. I get con'ed into doing channel extender support, allowing placing 3270 controllers at offsite bldg with no perceived difference in human factors. Unanticipated side-effect was the associated systems' throughput increase 10-15 percent. STL had been speading 3270 controllers across all channels with 3330 drives. The channel-extenders (operating full-duplex) significantly reduced the channel busy interference with the 3330 drives (for same amount of 3270 traffic; there was some consideration moving all 3270 controllers to channel-extenders). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 07:55 -1000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <87a4ngpo4u.fsf@localhost> |
| In reply to | #236729 |
Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes: > Note: 1980, IBM STL (since renamed SVL) was bursting at seams and 300 > people/terminals from IMS group were being moved to offsite bldg, with > dataprocessing service back to STL datacenter. They had tried "remote > 3270" but found human factors totally unacceptable. > > I get con'ed into doing channel extender support, allowing placing 3270 > controllers at offsite bldg with no perceived difference in human > factors. Unanticipated side-effect was the associated systems' > throughput increase 10-15 percent. STL had been speading 3270 > controllers across all channels with 3330 drives. The channel-extenders > (operating full-duplex) significantly reduced the channel busy > interference with the 3330 drives (for same amount of 3270 traffic; > there was some consideration moving all 3270 controllers to > channel-extenders). Note once the 3033 was out the door, the processor engineers start on trout/3090. They configure memory, processor, channels, I/O to meet specific throughput goals. However, in San Jose, the administration dictated that the 3880 disk controller would use a (really slow, resulting in significant channel busy) vertical CISC processor (much slower than the previous processor in 3830 controller). The 3090 people thought the 3880 would be the same as 3830, but supporting 3380 3mbyte/sec transfer, when they found out how bad the 3880 controllers' channel busy was (there is significantly amount of half-cuplex channel protocol back&forth undernearth the covers with latency playing increasing role), they realized they would have to significantly increase the number of I/O channels in order to achieve system throughput targets ... which required an additional TCM (3090 said semi-facetiously they would bill the 3880 organization for the increase in 3090 manufacturing cost). Marketing eventually comes up with what a fantastic I/O machine the 3090 is with big increase in number of channels (but it was actually role played by slower 3880 controller and increase in channel busy associated with protocol chatter). -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 12:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11cvqo4$2e8dr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236730 |
On 11/10/26 10:55, Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > Note once the 3033 was out the door, the processor engineers start on > trout/3090. They configure memory, processor, channels, I/O to meet > specific throughput goals. However, in San Jose, the administration > dictated that the 3880 disk controller would use a (really slow, > resulting in significant channel busy) vertical CISC processor (much > slower than the previous processor in 3830 controller). > > The 3090 people thought the 3880 would be the same as 3830, but > supporting 3380 3mbyte/sec transfer, when they found out how bad the Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it would be slower?
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-10 23:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <yuNIS.76791$i43.11654@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #236738 |
On 2026-11-10, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > On 11/10/26 10:55, Lynn Wheeler wrote: > >> Note once the 3033 was out the door, the processor engineers start on >> trout/3090. They configure memory, processor, channels, I/O to meet >> specific throughput goals. However, in San Jose, the administration >> dictated that the 3880 disk controller would use a (really slow, >> resulting in significant channel busy) vertical CISC processor (much >> slower than the previous processor in 3830 controller). >> >> The 3090 people thought the 3880 would be the same as 3830, but >> supporting 3380 3mbyte/sec transfer, when they found out how bad the > > Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it would be > slower? Welcome to the 21st century. How long does it take your TV to boot up? (I refer to this as "warming up", as a tribute to the tube sets of old.) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 03:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d0p7b$2ntcj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236738 |
On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:19:31 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it > would be slower? As another example, I recall it said that passenger airliners after the Boeing 747 actually have slightly lower cruising speeds. I guess it’s all part of the goal of saving fuel.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 09:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d1b9q$2s43n$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236757 |
On 2026-11-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:19:31 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > >> Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it >> would be slower? > > As another example, I recall it said that passenger airliners after > the Boeing 747 actually have slightly lower cruising speeds. I guess > it’s all part of the goal of saving fuel. It is possible if the 747 was inefficient. IIRC there's a sweet spot (or range?) for efficient fuel usage in subsonic jets. (For supersonic, IIRC Aerospatiale-BAC Concorde was actually quite efficient in cruise (compared to other supersonic aircraft), and I think the proposed redesign would even do away with the need for wet thrust (necessary for TO and transonic climb?).) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-11 12:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11d1n6f$30p0f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236763 |
On 11/11/2026 09:08, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-11-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:19:31 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: >> >>> Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it >>> would be slower? >> >> As another example, I recall it said that passenger airliners >> after the Boeing 747 actually have slightly lower cruising speeds. >> I guess it’s all part of the goal of saving fuel. > > It is possible if the 747 was inefficient. IIRC there's a sweet spot > (or range?) for efficient fuel usage in subsonic jets. > 707 was not a turbofan. As bypass engines became widely used, the overall economics shifted to lower speed lower drag. Airline economics is complex with passenger miles per day, and maintenance costs per flight hour being balanced by fuel costs per passenger mile. Higher fuel costs as well as rising bypass ratios have increased the tendency towards lower speed cruising > (For supersonic, IIRC Aerospatiale-BAC Concorde was actually quite > efficient in cruise (compared to other supersonic aircraft), and I > think the proposed redesign would even do away with the need for wet > thrust (necessary for TO and transonic climb?).) > With rising fuel costs I somehow doubt supersonic airliners would ever be profitable again -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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