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  Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-19 11:00 -0800
    Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-19 22:38 -0400
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2021-11-20 04:49 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-20 19:08 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-11-22 10:13 -0500
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-22 16:13 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-11-23 19:35 +0000
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-20 10:29 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 12:10 -0600
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-20 20:28 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 17:36 -0500
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-21 02:01 -0400
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 11:26 -0500
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 12:38 -0600
            Re: what's in your water, was New Programmer's Drink? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-11-21 19:23 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-11-21 19:58 -0500
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:58 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-22 17:05 +0000
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-22 18:15 +0000
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 09:05 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-25 19:37 -0800
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 12:07 -0600
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-21 15:30 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-21 16:27 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:56 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-23 12:14 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-23 14:27 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:32 -0600
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-25 19:41 -0800
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 00:48 -0500
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-11-26 10:23 -0600
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-26 19:47 -0400
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-27 18:25 +0000
                Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-27 20:53 -0400
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-11-27 23:23 -0500
                Re: New Programmer's Drink? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-11-28 19:32 -0500
                  Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-29 03:23 +0000
                    Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-29 09:40 +0000
                      Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-29 14:38 +0000

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#219844

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:29:34 AM UTC-7, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada? 
> where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth 
> in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would 
> still take a fortnight to disolve?)

No, overnight will do it.

John Savard

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#219798

On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>> 
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>> 
>> Jolt is still around.
>> 
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>content.
>
>Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
>some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
>phosphoric acid.  Since then, I  spotted it in other drinks.
>
>I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>Dentistry be damned, eh?  

I remember watching older movies from the 1940s as a kid, and them
talking about a Coke Cola float with that phosphate fizz.

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#219811

Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>
>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>

>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>content.

Checks cherry coke can at hand:

  Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
               Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.

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#219814

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:30:21 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> >
> >Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> >
> 
> >When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> >drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> >that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> >ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> >teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> >be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> >content.
> 
> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
> 
>   Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>                Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.

	I didn't have any to hand so I went and looked on Coca-Cola's web
site where the ingredients are listed and include phosphoric acid with the
explanation that it is responsible for the tart flavour.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#219831

On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>
>>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>
>>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>content.
>
> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>
>   Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>                Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.


There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
them.

-- 
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!

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#219834

On 23 Nov 2021 08:56:08 GMT
Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:

> On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> >>
> > Checks cherry coke can at hand:
> >
> >   Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
> >                Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
> 
> 
> There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly

	The coca leaf and cola nut content is covered by "Natural
Flavours".

> recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
> the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
> them.

	I'm sure they get more from the coca-cola subsidiary that imports
it than they do from the Colombian processing labs that produce the nose
candy. Does anyone here know who runs them these days, presumably not still
the CIA as it was in the 1980s the last time I heard from someone who'd
seen it first hand.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#219836

Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> writes:
>On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>>
>>>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>
>>>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>>drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>>teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>>content.
>>
>> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>>
>>   Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>>                Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
>There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
>recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
>the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
>them.

I believe the Coca plant extract is covered under "Natural Flavors".

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#219838

On 23 Nov 2021 08:56:08 GMT, Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>>
>>>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>
>>>When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>>drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>>that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>>ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>>teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>>be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>>content.
>>
>> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>>
>>   Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>>                Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
>There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
>recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
>the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
>them.

I know after one of my retina surgeries, I was told to avoid caffeine.
So I selected a soda to drink that didn't list it. I kept getting
headaches.... the opthamalist told me I was drinking something with
caffeine in it. Then I saw on the tv that the Orange Fanta I was
drinking had caffeine in it, but it was below the amount that required
it to be in the ingredients list on the can.
--  
Jim

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#219845

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned 
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an 
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving 
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to 
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid 
> content. 

The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.

John Savard

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#219847

On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned 
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an 
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving 
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to 
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid 
>> content. 
>
>The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
>in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.

And in the US.
>
>John Savard

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#219849

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned 
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an 
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving 
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to 
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid 
>>> content. 
>>
>>The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
>>in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.
>
> And in the US.


And in Mexico.

I'm not sure how the poster upthread came to the mistaken inference that
they ever *stopped* using phosphoric acid.

echo 'lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom' | sed s/aba/c/g

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#219851

lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) writes:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned 
>>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an 
>>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving 
>>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to 
>>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid 
>>>> content. 
>>>
>>> The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
>>> in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.
>>
>> And in the US.
>
> And in Mexico.
> 
> I'm not sure how the poster upthread...

That would be me.  

> ... came to the mistaken inference that they ever *stopped* using
> phosphoric acid.

In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
someone 90+ years old.  The information (apparently misinformation)
that phosphoric acid had been eliminated from Coke et al. sometime in
the preceding 20 or so years came from T.C. Mits [1], viz. adults
between 30 and 65 y.o. with no relevant scientrific or industrial
qualifications who were available for me to query.

As a teenager, I tried Coke as a remover of light rust on a chrome
bumper without success.

The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.


[1] The Celebrated Man in the Street

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#219852

On 2021-11-26, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
> until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.

<nit>
s/H2PO4/H3PO4/
</nit>

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#219853

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2021-11-26, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> 
>> The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
>> until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.
> 
> <nit>
> s/H2PO4/H3PO4/
> </nit>

Mea  culpa.  Mea maxima culpa.  Cringe.

There's this: My undergrad degree in chemistry is 57 years old and
while the phosphate ion hasn't changed in that time, I have.  :-)

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#219854

On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
> someone 90+ years old.

In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.

When I had a dime.

Or was it a nickel?

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#219856

Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:

> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
>> someone 90+ years old.

> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.

> When I had a dime.

> Or was it a nickel?

Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North America)
would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as 1960.

-- 
Rich Alderson					  news@alderson.users.panix.com
      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#219857

On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:

> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
>>> someone 90+ years old.
>>
>> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
>>
>> When I had a dime.
>>
>> Or was it a nickel?
>
> Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North America)
> would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as 1960.

    What's tough?
    Life.
    What's life?
    A magazine.
    How much does it cost?
    It costs twenty cents.
    But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
    Ow, ow, that's tough.
      -- Gabriel and the Angels

I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
a dime around here by then.

    And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
      -- The Drifters: On Broadway

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#219861

On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:23:43 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> 
> > Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
> >
> >> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
> >> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates"
> >>> from someone 90+ years old.
> >>
> >> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
> >>
> >> When I had a dime.
> >>
> >> Or was it a nickel?
> >
> > Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North
> > America) would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as
> > 1960.
> 
>     What's tough?
>     Life.
>     What's life?
>     A magazine.
>     How much does it cost?
>     It costs twenty cents.
>     But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
>     Ow, ow, that's tough.
>       -- Gabriel and the Angels
> 
> I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
> a dime around here by then.
> 
>     And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
>       -- The Drifters: On Broadway
> 

How much for a shave & a haircut?

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#219865

"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:23:43 GMT
>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>> >
>> >> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
>> >> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates"
>> >>> from someone 90+ years old.
>> >>
>> >> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
>> >>
>> >> When I had a dime.
>> >>
>> >> Or was it a nickel?
>> >
>> > Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North
>> > America) would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as
>> > 1960.
>> 
>>     What's tough?
>>     Life.
>>     What's life?
>>     A magazine.
>>     How much does it cost?
>>     It costs twenty cents.
>>     But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
>>     Ow, ow, that's tough.
>>       -- Gabriel and the Angels
>> 
>> I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
>> a dime around here by then.
>> 
>>     And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
>>       -- The Drifters: On Broadway
>> 
>
>How much for a shave & a haircut?

Two bits.

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