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| Started by | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| First post | 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
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Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-03 17:43 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 20:51 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-04 21:29 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 04:19 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-04 15:46 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 02:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:47 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-09-05 10:00 -0500
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:16 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:46 -0700
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-18 09:19 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-18 15:48 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-05 12:05 -0400
Re: fine old languages, HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:20 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 18:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:00 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 16:27 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 18:30 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-08 00:17 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:50 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-06 11:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:50 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-06 15:04 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2021-09-09 02:04 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:37 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-16 20:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:11 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 22:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 15:40 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 18:57 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 22:33 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-17 07:13 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-05 10:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:44 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:43 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-05 14:11 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 18:31 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 19:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 13:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:27 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 23:59 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 09:41 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 11:54 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 10:58 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 15:12 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 14:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 12:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:17 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:55 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:16 +0000
JRRT's linguistic influences [was not really: Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-17 16:35 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 19:19 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 23:26 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-16 20:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 14:41 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 23:15 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:12 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 15:34 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:09 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-09-10 18:25 +0200
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100
OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:30 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 17:26 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 17:29 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-05 23:35 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:37 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 13:46 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 10:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 14:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 17:42 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 21:07 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 20:01 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-08 09:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 00:02 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:15 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 20:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-07 00:22 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 09:04 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-15 18:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 00:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 16:08 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 21:09 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> - 2021-09-03 08:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
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| From | SixOverFive <hae274c.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 23:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FdednUut-ZQEGqj8nZ2dnUU7-YXNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #218667 |
On 9/5/21 12:22 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >> >> >> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. > > I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the > address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several > times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at > 64-bit. > > Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how > boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes > mainstream. IF ... lots of promises but Real World units are few, weak and VERY quirky. PRICE is gawdawful too. QM may wind up being a flash in the pan due to all the little issues. The Spooks will probably keep a few units for codebreaking, but that'll be about it. Anyway, depending on the era, I'll absolve the Prof. It was literally punch-cards/tape one month in the high holy Computer Room and a bunch of serial terminals in the library building the next. Minor issue - NOBODY knew how to USE them. No instructions, no manuals. We kinda hacked around and got some BASIC programs going, but that was about it. This was, I think, 1979.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 00:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8g4bjgl9vr0e36hdg4bs2hr2qlt8aflu82@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218684 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 23:14:32 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >On 9/5/21 12:22 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>> >>> >>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >> >> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >> 64-bit. >> >> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >> mainstream. > > > IF ... lots of promises but Real World units are few, > weak and VERY quirky. PRICE is gawdawful too. QM > may wind up being a flash in the pan due to all the > little issues. The Spooks will probably keep a few > units for codebreaking, but that'll be about it. > > Anyway, depending on the era, I'll absolve the Prof. > It was literally punch-cards/tape one month in the > high holy Computer Room and a bunch of serial terminals > in the library building the next. Minor issue - NOBODY > knew how to USE them. No instructions, no manuals. We > kinda hacked around and got some BASIC programs going, > but that was about it. This was, I think, 1979. The school had had 3270s as long as any current students could remember. And the VAX had had CRTs long enough for there to be asong about them on campus sufficiently well known that a sophomore journalism major knew it. > >
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 16:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87bl55o49y.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218684 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 23:14:32 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > >> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >> mainstream. > > > IF ... lots of promises but Real World units are few, > weak and VERY quirky. PRICE is gawdawful too. QM > may wind up being a flash in the pan due to all the > little issues. The Spooks will probably keep a few > units for codebreaking, but that'll be about it. Is you real name Thomas J. Watson by chance? ;-) He worked as CEO at IBM and said 1943 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers". ;-) Today some tech companies have them to let customers using them in the cloud. Again back to the late 70s and before, when people used cloud computing *ahem* time sharing, because no ordinary user was able to purchase a mainframe. In a decade or two the phone in your pocket (or may be transplanted in brains by then) runs on a Quantum-Computer. -- Andreas
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 21:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsjd0s4.i6p.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218713 |
On 2021-09-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 23:14:32 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >> >>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>> mainstream. >> >> >> IF ... lots of promises but Real World units are few, >> weak and VERY quirky. PRICE is gawdawful too. QM >> may wind up being a flash in the pan due to all the >> little issues. The Spooks will probably keep a few >> units for codebreaking, but that'll be about it. > > Is you real name Thomas J. Watson by chance? ;-) > > He worked as CEO at IBM and said 1943 "I think there is a world market > for maybe five computers". ;-) > > Today some tech companies have them to let customers using them in the > cloud. Again back to the late 70s and before, when people used cloud > computing *ahem* time sharing, because no ordinary user was able to > purchase a mainframe. In a decade or two the phone in your pocket (or may be > transplanted in brains by then) runs on a Quantum-Computer. > I believe the head of the bank of england oce remarked, `Why Phones?.. We have lots of messangers'.
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-08 16:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddsfyeakq2.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #218713 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
> Is you real name Thomas J. Watson by chance? ;-)
> He worked as CEO at IBM and said 1943 "I think there is a world market
> for maybe five computers". ;-)
No, $DEITY DAMN IT, he did NOT!
That entire meme is a misrepresentation of what he actually said in IBM's
annual report to stockholders in 1952. In his report, he stated that he
accompanied a presentation of the brand new IBM 701 computer to 20 scientific
laboratories; the expected sales from this dog-and-pony show was about 5
systems. He was happy to report that there were orders for *19* of them.
The report can be found on the Web. Look it up for yourself; I don't have the
time.
But please, PLEASE, PLLLEEEAASSSSSSE, stop spreading this stupid lie.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <613275fc.6589905@news.dslextreme.com> |
| In reply to | #218633 |
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:19:54 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... >only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a >college class (which I dropped out of because >the school already had serial terminals that'd >do all that PLUS). The class was years behind >the reality I'm glad I had the opportunity to have some first-hand experience with the "submit a deck of punched cards" model of computing in college. I'm even gladder that timewharing was an option and I didn't have to use punched cards very long. I also used paper tape as one of the boot loaders for a DEC KI-10. I'm thankful I got to use those things and get my feet wet, so to speak, in that part of computing history. It's even better that those experiences were peripheral, not central, to my computing activities.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87bl59qkjz.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218633 |
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 03:19:54 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: > > On 9/2/21 2:51 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > >> I F'up this into the folklore group. Cannot remember seen you there. You >> might enjoy it. > > Having LIVED a lot of this "folklore" it doesn't seem > like nostalgic "lore" to me ..... We're talking nostalgia/folklore, but not (or just as side note) about Linux in recent articles... So I set the F'up. -- Andreas
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| From | "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> |
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| Date | 2021-09-03 08:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6133A0C9.310.news.afc@realitycheckbbs.org> |
| In reply to | #218633 |
To: SixOverFive -=> SixOverFive wrote to alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc <=- Si> But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... Si> only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a Si> college class (which I dropped out of because Si> the school already had serial terminals that'd Si> do all that PLUS). The class was years behind Si> the reality ...... I had a high school teacher insist we spend a day writing punch card decks on an old system he'd brought in. He said "trust me, one day this will make sense..." So, I get to say I started out on punch cards. :) My first job in college was an homage to the old mainframe days. The bookstore had a computer room with a raised floor, a Microdata midrange system running a variant of PICK OS, 48 serial terminals, a line printer and a 9-track tape drive for nightly backups. Spent the first years of my career feeding 11x17 greenbar paper and tapes into the beast. ... Retrace your steps --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52 --- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113 * realitycheckBBS - Aptos, CA - telnet://realitycheckbbs.org
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-04 15:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <42h7jg1quqlb7ol4u2tfo5ii0q4iqt380s@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218645 |
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 08:00:00 -0700, "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> wrote: > To: SixOverFive >-=> SixOverFive wrote to alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc <=- > > Si> But I did mostly miss the mainframe/mini days ... > Si> only had to use punchcards/paper-tape ONCE in a > Si> college class (which I dropped out of because > Si> the school already had serial terminals that'd > Si> do all that PLUS). The class was years behind > Si> the reality ...... > >I had a high school teacher insist we spend a day writing punch card decks >on an old system he'd brought in. He said "trust me, one day this will make >sense..." > >So, I get to say I started out on punch cards. :) > >My first job in college was an homage to the old mainframe days. The >bookstore had a computer room with a raised floor, a Microdata midrange >system running a variant of PICK OS, 48 serial terminals, a line printer and >a 9-track tape drive for nightly backups. Spent the first years of my career >feeding 11x17 greenbar paper and tapes into the beast. Where was that? I thought OSU was a big school, but I don't recall their bookstore having anything near that elaborate. > > > >... Retrace your steps >--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52 >--- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113 > * realitycheckBBS - Aptos, CA - telnet://realitycheckbbs.org
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5JPZI.75216$rl3.45354@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #218645 |
On 2021-09-03, Kurt Weiske <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> wrote: > I had a high school teacher insist we spend a day writing punch card decks > on an old system he'd brought in. He said "trust me, one day this will make > sense..." > > So, I get to say I started out on punch cards. :) My first job in the Real World was in a shop that had a machine with 16K of RAM and no disks or tapes - only cards. At least we had three card readers so we didn't need a collator to merge input decks - or a sorter to separate them again afterwards. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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