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Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
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  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
                Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
                    Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:02 +0800
                      Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:45 +0100
        Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:17 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 19:37 -0700
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 21:54 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 04:24 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 23:31 -0500
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 08:46 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-06 07:41 -0700
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:30 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:53 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 06:13 +0800
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:12 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-11-04 19:48 +0000
                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:52 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:48 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:45 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 22:15 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 22:47 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 23:18 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:12 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-04 08:26 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:20 +0000
                                        [OT] Fujitsu Horizon (was: Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:19 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Fujitsu Horizon Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-05 09:50 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:09 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 22:59 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:10 -0700
                                    Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:30 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:57 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 16:57 +0800
                                          Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 04:48 +0800
                                            Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:38 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:27 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:11 -0700
                                        Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:40 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:43 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:54 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:59 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:04 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 03:34 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-05 06:27 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:01 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-06 15:45 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:32 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:29 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:40 -0700
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 19:02 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-05 15:02 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:00 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:04 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:15 -0500
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:23 +0100
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:53 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:47 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 22:22 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:09 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:14 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:18 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 12:27 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:12 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:22 +0100
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 15:59 -0700
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-06 06:35 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:09 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:45 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-07 07:37 -0700
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 22:49 +0800
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-07 14:54 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-07 13:31 -0500
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-08 02:56 +0800
                                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-11-08 21:19 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-07 20:03 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-07 20:56 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 21:53 +0000
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-08 01:23 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:25 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:45 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 03:33 +0800
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:05 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:12 -0500
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:13 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:37 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:01 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:18 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:09 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:51 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:54 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:58 -0500
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-07 16:04 -1000
                                      NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-08 05:59 -0800
                                        Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 08:11 -1000
                                        Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:31 +0000
                                          Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-08 13:45 -0800
                                            Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 12:21 -1000
                                            Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 23:51 +0000
                                              Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-08 20:33 -0700
                                                Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-08 22:59 -0500
                                                  Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-09 07:32 -1000
                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-09 21:20 +0000
                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-09 22:07 -0500
                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 10:37 +0100
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 12:22 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-10 06:31 -0800
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:14 +0000
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 20:36 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 23:09 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:00 +0100
                                                                Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 06:32 -0800
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:56 -0700
                                                                Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:41 -0700
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:48 +0000
                                                                Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:35 +0000
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:46 -0500
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 21:53 +0100
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:07 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 21:23 -0500
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 07:35 -0700
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 22:45 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:25 -0500
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:31 +0000
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-10 07:29 -1000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-10 07:55 -1000
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 12:19 -0700
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 23:09 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 03:59 +0000
                                                                Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 09:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 12:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-11 20:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 17:25 -0800
                                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-12 02:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-11 21:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-11 22:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 12:16 -0700
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:14 +0000
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-10 21:43 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:03 +0100
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 12:36 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:41 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 08:42 -0800
                                                                Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 16:49 +0000
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-11 17:18 +0000
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 10:06 -0800
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-11 18:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-11 21:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 19:03 -0800
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-11 20:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 22:38 +0100
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 22:21 +0000
                                                                      Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-12 00:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
                                                                  PCs and Mainframes (Re: what's a mainframe) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-11 18:50 -0800
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 22:44 +0000
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:15 +0100
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-11 07:45 -0700
                                                            Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:47 +0000
                                                              Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 22:36 +0100
                                                        Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 21:42 -0500
                                                          Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-11 15:23 +0000
                                                  Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-10 07:09 +0000
                                                    Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 07:27 +0000
                                                      Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 10:50 +0100
                                                        Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-10 07:37 -0700
                                                          Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:18 +0000
                                                          Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-10 22:02 +0100
                                                          Re: torn tape skates, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-10 22:19 +0000
                                                            Re: torn tape skates, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:09 +0100
                                                          Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-10 23:29 -0500
                                                            Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2026-11-11 12:19 +0100
                                                        Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 19:55 +0000
                                                      Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-10 10:45 +0000
                                                    Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-10 15:16 +0000
                                                    Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
                                                      Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-10 19:57 +0000
                                                Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-09 04:42 +0000
                                                  Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 10:01 +0000
                                                    Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-10 20:51 +0000
                                                Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-09 11:08 +0000
                                              Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-09 15:59 +0000
                                          Re: NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-09 09:38 +0800
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 08:32 -1000
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-08 21:32 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-11-08 11:55 -1000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-08 21:49 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:34 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:08 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:36 -0700
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:13 +0800
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 20:58 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:53 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:44 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:58 +0100
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:19 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-05 00:19 +0100
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 01:24 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-05 15:48 +0000
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:17 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:52 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 09:28 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:25 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:53 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:57 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:44 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:05 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:27 +0100
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 09:20 -0700
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:52 -0700
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:50 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 08:59 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:36 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:42 +0100
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:43 -0700
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:35 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:32 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-11-04 11:32 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 18:52 +0100
                                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-05 05:02 +0800
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-05 18:43 -0800
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 06:44 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-11-06 21:29 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-06 04:34 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-11-06 21:31 +0000
                                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:22 +0000
                                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-07 05:00 +0100
                                                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:12 +0000
                                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-07 05:39 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:37 +0000
                                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-07 06:25 +0800
                                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 22:01 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:53 -0500
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:28 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:01 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-04 01:13 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:50 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:31 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-03 19:16 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:31 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:13 +0800
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-03 05:28 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:00 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:42 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:29 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 04:00 +0000
                                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 04:05 +0000
                              Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:04 +0000
                                Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 23:05 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 04:15 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 00:14 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:24 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 06:21 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 07:10 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 07:00 -0500
                                          Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking  Speedy too seriously) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-11-04 16:50 -0500
                                          Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-06 03:02 +0100
                                            Re: [OT] what's a byte, was mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 02:44 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-05 19:57 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
                                          Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-05 16:01 -0700
                                            Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-05 23:06 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-06 02:50 +0000
                                            Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 15:25 +0000
                                    Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking  Speedy too seriously) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-11-04 16:44 -0500
                                    Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-06 17:30 +0000
                                      Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 04:33 +0000
                                        Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-07 07:30 -0700
                                          Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-07 19:40 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:18 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:59 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:29 -0500
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:16 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:23 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 19:18 +0100
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 03:17 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-04 02:07 +0000
                        Re: [OT] highly reliable upgradable mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:06 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 03:54 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-04 15:54 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 19:51 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:13 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:41 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 17:01 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:36 +0100
                Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 07:10 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-03 05:44 -0800
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:38 -0700
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-11-03 22:16 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:58 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 21:44 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-05 17:13 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:35 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-03 21:11 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:09 +0000
            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:52 +0000
              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-02 15:35 +0000
          Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:47 +0000
            Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:16 +0800
              Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:58 +0000

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#236788 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 20:33 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<Ri4JS.4683$F63.2583@fx11.iad>
In reply to#236770
On 2026-11-11, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> With rising fuel costs I somehow doubt supersonic airliners would ever
> be profitable again

Besides, no matter how fast the plane flies you're still
going to be waiting for your baggage at the other end.

Actual air time is only part of the total travel time -
once you add in the trip to the airport, check-in time,
baggage retrieval, and transport from the destination
terminal to wherever you're really going, air time becomes
a relatively small portion of the total time.

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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#236799 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-11-11 17:25 -0800
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d34im$3i3gu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236788
On 11/11/2026 12:33, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-11-11, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> With rising fuel costs I somehow doubt supersonic airliners would ever
>> be profitable again
> 
> Besides, no matter how fast the plane flies you're still
> going to be waiting for your baggage at the other end.
> 
> Actual air time is only part of the total travel time -
> once you add in the trip to the airport, check-in time,
> baggage retrieval, and transport from the destination
> terminal to wherever you're really going, air time becomes
> a relatively small portion of the total time.

On a transoceanic route, time in the air is quite significant.
On a short "puddlejumper" route, a high-speed train (TGV in French) may 
well be faster.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#236800 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-11-12 02:06 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<nlkl8cFtpvsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#236788
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 20:33:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Actual air time is only part of the total travel time -
> once you add in the trip to the airport, check-in time,
> baggage retrieval, and transport from the destination terminal to
> wherever you're really going, air time becomes a relatively small
> portion of the total time.

I'm not planning on any more air travel in this lifetime but the less time 
locked in a flying tin can the better. The possible exception was business 
class when the 747s had a comfortable lounge on the upper deck.

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#236789 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromPancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com>
Date2026-11-11 21:19 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d2m47$9d1k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236770
On 11/11/26 12:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/11/2026 09:08, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-11-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2026 12:19:31 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone would think that newer=faster. Who would have thought it 
>>>> would be slower?
>>>
>>> As another example, I recall it said that passenger airliners
>>> after the Boeing 747 actually have slightly lower cruising speeds.
>>> I guess it’s all part of the goal of saving fuel.
>>
>> It is possible if the 747 was inefficient. IIRC there's a sweet spot
>> (or range?) for efficient fuel usage in subsonic jets.
>>
> 
> 707 was not a turbofan. As bypass engines became widely used, the
> overall economics shifted to lower  speed lower drag.
> Airline economics is complex with passenger miles per day, and
> maintenance costs per flight hour being balanced by fuel costs per
> passenger mile.
> 
> Higher fuel costs as well as rising bypass ratios have increased the
> tendency towards lower speed cruising
> 
>> (For supersonic, IIRC Aerospatiale-BAC Concorde was actually quite 
>> efficient in cruise (compared to other supersonic aircraft), and I
>> think the proposed redesign would even do away with the need for wet
>> thrust (necessary for TO and transonic climb?).)
>>
> With rising fuel costs I somehow doubt supersonic airliners would ever
> be profitable again
> 

I don't think supersonic airlines ever were profitable. My last business 
flight was on Concorde. Not something my company paid for, just a 
standard business flight randomly upgraded to Concorde, because there 
was so little demand for the direction, New York to London.

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#236791 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 21:50 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d2nv7$3e1fm$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236789
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 21:19:02 +0000, Pancho wrote:

> I don't think supersonic airlines ever were profitable.

Concorde was never profitable, even at the eye-watering prices they
charged for a ticket. But it gave BA and Air France terrific bragging
rights ...

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#236797 — Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-11 22:52 +0000
SubjectRe: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d2rj6$4u1$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#236763
According to Nuno Silva  <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>:
>> As another example, I recall it said that passenger airliners after
>> the Boeing 747 actually have slightly lower cruising speeds. I guess
>> it’s all part of the goal of saving fuel.
>
>It is possible if the 747 was inefficient. IIRC there's a sweet spot (or
>range?) for efficient fuel usage in subsonic jets.

The 747 was never particularly efficient, but in its era it was so much bigger
than other planes that the cost per passenger was reasonable because there
was relatively fewer crew than on a 707 or DC-8. All of them had three
people on the flight deck, captain, first officer, and flight engineer.

The two engine 777 had more advanced and reliable engines.  Once the 777
was ceritfied for long trips over water (known as ETOPS) the 747 was
dead.  The 777 carried nearly as many people but with two engines and
a two person flight crew.

If someone's going to ask about the even bigger A380, it had the same
problems as the 747 and is also being retired in favor of two engine
A350.  The 747 was (still is) a reasonable cargo jet, with the
motivation for the upper deck being to put the flight deck up high
enough that the nose could open to roll large cargo in and out.  The
A380 didn't do that.

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#236805 — Re: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-12 03:44 +0000
SubjectRe: up in the air, what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<UCaJS.14785$V43.6482@fx07.iad>
In reply to#236797
On 2026-11-11, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> The two engine 777 had more advanced and reliable engines.  Once the 777
> was ceritfied for long trips over water (known as ETOPS) the 747 was
> dead.  The 777 carried nearly as many people but with two engines and
> a two person flight crew.

ETOPS officially stood for "Extended Twin-engine OPerationS",
but it was colloquially known as "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim".

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#236737 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromPeter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com>
Date2026-11-10 12:16 -0700
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11cvqjb$2e8dr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236729
On 11/10/26 10:29, Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> writes:
>> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe
>> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back
>> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
>> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
>> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
>> own:
>>   - CPU tells I/O interface (channel): "Do this I/O"
>>   - CPU goes back to computing, channel does some I/O heavy lifting
>>   - channel has completed I/O and sends an "Hey, I'm done" interrupt
>>     to the CPU
> 
> Original 360, there was limited processor and storage, but a lof of
> excess channel capacity ... as a result things like finding data was
> offloaded to channels ... which would "search" for desired data ... and
> as a result, channels ran half-duplex ... with channel dedicated to
> single operation ... constantly pulling search argument from processor
> storage.
> 
> Move into 80s, storage got lot more abundant ... and channel
> architecture increasingly channel I/O increasingly became
> system throughput bottleneck.
> 
> Early 80s, I wrote tome that 60s era 360/67 could get 70-80 CP67/CMS
> users on system ... and early 80s, with IBM processors getting 40-50
> times faster and storage increasing 40-50 larger, should be able be see
> 3000-4000 users, but was only seeing 300-400 users (because disks &
> channels throughput only increased 3-5 times (partly because half-duplex
> operation increasingly played a latency role in fully being able to see
> benefits of any speed increase).

With different resource constraints the system would have needed 
redesign to really make use of what it had - like ISAM (disk-intensive) 
became VSAM (more memory-intensive).

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#236732 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-11-10 18:36 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<4vJIS.76786$i43.30126@fx21.iad>
In reply to#236717
On 2026-11-10, Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:

> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>>    Ok ... so 'mainframes' as you saw them were more
>>    'directors' for distributed processing rather
>>    than THE processor.
>
> No. The operating system and application software ran on the mainframe
> CPU. But - as described above - a key design aspect of mainframes back
> then was that I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
> own:
>  - CPU tells I/O interface (channel): "Do this I/O"
>  - CPU goes back to computing, channel does some I/O heavy lifting
>  - channel has completed I/O and sends an "Hey, I'm done" interrupt
>    to the CPU

Some minis offered an option for peripherals to have at least
some of this kind of smarts.  It was called "DMA" (direct memory
access), since the peripherals directly accessed memory rather
than having to pass data through the CPU.  It was one of those
gee-whiz things that you might want if you could justify the cost.

In the mainframe world, you never heard the term "DMA".
It was taken for granted.

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
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#236748 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2026-11-10 22:14 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d04vo$1sic$3@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#236732
According to Charlie Gibbs  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>:
>Some minis offered an option for peripherals to have at least
>some of this kind of smarts.  It was called "DMA" (direct memory
>access),  ...

DEC minis called it "data break".  There was one-cycle data break
where the peripheral controller provided the address to transfer
and kept track of the count.  And there was three-cycle data
break, where the peripheral provided a fixed memory address,
the CPU used that address as a data pointer which it incremented,
the address+1 as a counter which it decremented, then did the
tranfer and sent a signal saying whether the count was zero.

Data break controllers were expensive so they only used them
for devices like disks and drums where programmed I/O wasn't
fast enough.  DECTape, a block addressable tape which was
the spritual forerunner of floppy disks, originally had
a PDP-8 three-cycle data break controller, but later on
there was a cheaper controller that had a little bit
of buffering that made programmed I/O transfers fast
enough.

Keep in mind that data break or DMA was only part of
what a channel did.  The channel also did device control,
like disk head seeks and track selection, and could
chain multiple operations togehter, like the example
someone gave of a channel program that printed an
entire page of output.

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#236746 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-10 21:43 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d036a$2hab5$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236717
On 10/11/2026 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>   I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
> own:
I see you never used the serial cards with up to 32 terminals attached 
to a PC running SCO unix.

They were essentially IO processors


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#236764 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromAlexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de>
Date2026-11-11 12:03 +0100
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<slrn11f8irj.2e7kp.als@frodo.angband.thangorodrim.de>
In reply to#236746
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/11/2026 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>   I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
>> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
>> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
>> own:
> I see you never used the serial cards with up to 32 terminals attached 
> to a PC running SCO unix.

I never touched SCO Unix, I got my Unix start on SunOS/Solaris and very
early Linux.

> They were essentially IO processors

Sure, they have to be to handle than many serial lines.

But even in the "PC server" space, those were not that common.

Kind regards,
           Alex.
-- 
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 looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison

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#236771 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 12:36 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d1ngr$30p0f$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236764
On 11/11/2026 11:03, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2026 09:37, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>    I/O was not done by the CPU (like it was done on home
>>> computers were all I/O was entirely handled by the CPU), but fully off-
>>> loaded to peripherials that were essentially limited computers of their
>>> own:
>> I see you never used the serial cards with up to 32 terminals attached
>> to a PC running SCO unix.
> 
> I never touched SCO Unix, I got my Unix start on SunOS/Solaris and very
> early Linux.
> 
>> They were essentially IO processors
> 
> Sure, they have to be to handle than many serial lines.
> 
> But even in the "PC server" space, those were not that common.
> 
Depends on your age and experience. I saw many. A multiuser system that 
could handle 32 screens running a database oriented program for < 
$10,000 was a very good alternative to a VAX.

Adding in TCP/IP rendered the serial ports obsolete and made it even 
better, apart from the cost per desktop of a PC running 
telnet...compared to a VT220 or a Wyse 50.



> Kind regards,
>             Alex.

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#236780 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-11-11 15:41 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<T00JS.1655$f83.128@fx09.iad>
In reply to#236771
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>On 11/11/2026 11:03, Alexander Schreiber wrote:

>> 
>> But even in the "PC server" space, those were not that common.
>> 
>Depends on your age and experience. I saw many. A multiuser system that 
>could handle 32 screens running a database oriented program for < 
>$10,000 was a very good alternative to a VAX.

They were, as Alexander noted, not that common.

>
>Adding in TCP/IP rendered the serial ports obsolete and made it even 
>better, apart from the cost per desktop of a PC running 
>telnet...compared to a VT220 or a Wyse 50.

That's not necessarily true, a high-end networking
SoC (40-96 cores, lots of hardware accelerators/peripherals)
has 16 UARTs (alongside multiple 200Gb ethernet ports).

They're hardly obsolete.

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#236782 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-11 08:42 -0800
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<20261111084244.000067bf@gmail.com>
In reply to#236771
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 12:36:43 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > > I see you never used the serial cards with up to 32 terminals
> > > attached to a PC running SCO unix.  
> > 
> > I never touched SCO Unix, I got my Unix start on SunOS/Solaris and
> > very early Linux.
> >   
> > > They were essentially IO processors  
> > 
> > Sure, they have to be to handle than many serial lines.
> > 
> > But even in the "PC server" space, those were not that common.
>  
> Depends on your age and experience. I saw many. A multiuser system
> that could handle 32 screens running a database oriented program for
> < $10,000 was a very good alternative to a VAX.

Some of those setups persisted a surprisingly long time in the field.
Used to work in the back room at a call center that was still running a
terminal-based setup 'til early 2012; when all you need is a form for
the reps to punch orders into, it Just Works.

(Never got into the backend enough to learn what the host was running;
some flavor of *nix that also managed the PBX, but the business end had
been built on a Win2k Server box in Visual FoxPro, of all things.)

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#236783 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 16:49 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d269u$36p99$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236782
On 11/11/2026 16:42, John Ames wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 12:36:43 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>> I see you never used the serial cards with up to 32 terminals
>>>> attached to a PC running SCO unix.
>>>
>>> I never touched SCO Unix, I got my Unix start on SunOS/Solaris and
>>> very early Linux.
>>>    
>>>> They were essentially IO processors
>>>
>>> Sure, they have to be to handle than many serial lines.
>>>
>>> But even in the "PC server" space, those were not that common.
>>   
>> Depends on your age and experience. I saw many. A multiuser system
>> that could handle 32 screens running a database oriented program for
>> < $10,000 was a very good alternative to a VAX.
> 
> Some of those setups persisted a surprisingly long time in the field.
> Used to work in the back room at a call center that was still running a
> terminal-based setup 'til early 2012; when all you need is a form for
> the reps to punch orders into, it Just Works.
> 
> (Never got into the backend enough to learn what the host was running;
> some flavor of *nix that also managed the PBX, but the business end had
> been built on a Win2k Server box in Visual FoxPro, of all things.)
> 
Went into a bank in the mid noughties and the PC was running some sort 
of remote terminal APP into a mainframe somewhere

A touch typist who can tab through fields is the fastest way to enter 
data, and any eye candy is mere distraction


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#236784 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2026-11-11 17:18 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d280n$37kbt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236783
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> schrieb:

> Went into a bank in the mid noughties and the PC was running some sort 
> of remote terminal APP into a mainframe somewhere

The colored variant of the 3270 terminals or terminal emulators
(distinctive coloring easy to recognize) are in use at a furniture
store a few km from where I live.  No idea what system they have
in the background, though.

But terminals are interesting.  I read a bit on the documentation of the
VT52, where they talked a lot about microcode. The VT100 had a
microprocessor already, an 8080.

Which is why it would have been trivial for DEC to build a reasonable
PC when they were building terminals.

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#236785 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-11 10:06 -0800
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<20261111100603.00001433@gmail.com>
In reply to#236784
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 17:18:15 -0000 (UTC)
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:

> But terminals are interesting.  I read a bit on the documentation of
> the VT52, where they talked a lot about microcode. The VT100 had a
> microprocessor already, an 8080.
> 
> Which is why it would have been trivial for DEC to build a reasonable
> PC when they were building terminals.

Indeed - in fact, a number of contemporary microcomputers (e.g. the
Vector 3) were basically just a terminal with more RAM and some form of
mass storage, at the hardware level. DEC's lateness to the micro market
was, unfortunately, a management issue rather than a technical one.

(Not that they didn't have some technical hurdles in their own efforts,
thanks to the almost-but-critically-not-quite-compatible LSI versions
of the PDP-8, but Olsen's resistance to the idea and unwillingness to
price down to the market doomed them right out the gate.)

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#236786 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 18:13 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d2b8m$38vai$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236784
On 11/11/2026 17:18, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> schrieb:
> 
>> Went into a bank in the mid noughties and the PC was running some sort
>> of remote terminal APP into a mainframe somewhere
> 
> The colored variant of the 3270 terminals or terminal emulators
> (distinctive coloring easy to recognize) are in use at a furniture
> store a few km from where I live.  No idea what system they have
> in the background, though.
> 
> But terminals are interesting.  I read a bit on the documentation of the
> VT52, where they talked a lot about microcode. The VT100 had a
> microprocessor already, an 8080.
> 
> Which is why it would have been trivial for DEC to build a reasonable
> PC when they were building terminals.
> 
That wasn't their market segment

It's quite rare for a company that has seen success in one sector to 
reinvent itself in another.

At the time, no one knew what use a PC would be.,


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#236792 — Re: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-11-11 21:57 +0000
SubjectRe: what's a mainframe, NYT and Stratus (Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times)
Message-ID<11d2oc8$3e1fm$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#236784
On Wed, 11 Nov 2026 17:18:15 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

> But terminals are interesting. I read a bit on the documentation of
> the VT52, where they talked a lot about microcode. The VT100 had a
> microprocessor already, an 8080.

The first VT100 line had some interesting firmware bugs. You could
engage smooth-scroll mode (why don’t more apps have that now?), do
some fancy cursor addressing, and suddenly find yourself looking at 3
copies of the line you were typing into. Each time you entered text
and pressed return, more copies would appear.

And the VT100 series spawned unbelievable numbers of clones. The most
elaborate one I saw was the C.Itoh CIT-101. That even had an escape
sequence to trigger the key-click sound.

The later VT200 series were nice and sleek and all that, but I felt
they were a step backwards in one respect: press the “SET-UP” key, and
it took perceptibly longer to switch to the setup menu than the old
VT100 did -- that was instant. I assume the older model had some
double-buffering display hardware support which was dropped from the
newer range ...

> Which is why it would have been trivial for DEC to build a
> reasonable PC when they were building terminals.

Their VT180 was able to run CP/M, complete with floppy drives.
Presumably that took a separate 8080 (or Z80?) from the one that
managed the terminal part.

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