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| Started by | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800 |
| Last post | 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 533 — 42 participants |
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Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:59 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 07:35 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 11:57 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-10-18 14:19 -1000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-19 02:03 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-18 19:54 -0700
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 06:10 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-19 14:35 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-10-19 20:45 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-10-19 20:52 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-19 21:02 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-10-19 23:10 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 14:16 +0000
Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 02:07 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-14 23:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 16:11 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 16:36 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 07:47 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 00:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-14 20:25 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 04:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 22:50 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-15 07:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-15 14:21 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-15 16:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:07 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-14 14:04 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 05:55 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-14 20:42 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 21:43 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-15 11:22 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-10-15 10:40 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-18 09:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 10:34 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 06:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:44 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-19 20:09 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:10 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:08 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:10 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 18:57 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 05:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:46 +1300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 13:20 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:14 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 14:22 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 18:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:06 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:20 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:54 +0100
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-11-02 11:11 +0100
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:32 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-21 03:31 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 04:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:41 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 14:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-10-21 15:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-21 16:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:05 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 20:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:22 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-10-22 04:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:37 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 12:17 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:21 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:40 -0400
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:58 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 19:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:09 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-20 23:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:49 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:15 +0100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 20:49 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:36 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-21 16:11 +1300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 05:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:48 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 09:39 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:51 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 15:50 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-20 16:41 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:48 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 14:48 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 17:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-20 17:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 20:50 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:47 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:06 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 12:29 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 17:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 14:12 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:51 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:19 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 10:32 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:09 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:47 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
Re: �The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 08:11 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-25 09:30 +0000
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:37 -0700
Re: The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 -0700
Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2026-10-26 07:59 +0000
Re: ?The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 10:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:30 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 20:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:49 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:59 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:20 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:53 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-24 12:07 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-10-25 08:22 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:32 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 08:13 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-24 23:59 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 16:03 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:43 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:48 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:42 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-23 18:24 +0000
Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-24 16:12 +1300
Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 15:22 +0800
Re: Whilst All The Computer Experts are Visiting r.a.sf.w. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:40 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 18:50 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:56 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:27 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:36 -0500
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 19:20 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:57 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 20:26 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 18:48 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 19:01 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:50 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 16:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 16:25 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 22:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:28 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-23 10:21 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:49 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 00:23 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 00:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 12:06 +0300
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 07:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:06 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-23 11:56 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 17:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 16:22 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:03 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:06 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-23 20:45 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 08:21 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-24 14:25 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-24 14:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:55 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:07 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 07:26 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-24 13:57 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:19 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:03 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:59 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:01 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 09:47 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:04 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 12:49 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:21 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:09 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:16 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:08 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 22:05 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:21 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 16:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-24 12:17 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-24 21:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 01:11 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 00:28 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:59 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:18 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 09:50 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-26 16:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-26 15:32 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:31 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 13:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 08:41 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-25 10:19 -0700
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:03 -0400
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:21 -0600
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:26 +0100
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 12:29 -0600
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 19:59 +0100
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-26 09:43 +1300
Re: âThe end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-25 19:54 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:13 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 16:17 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 16:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-25 17:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:04 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:06 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 21:47 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-28 20:26 +0000
POSIX system() function (was: The end of software secrecy ...) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-10-29 14:26 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:09 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 23:07 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:26 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 00:54 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 10:59 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-30 15:23 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 16:07 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-30 20:37 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 22:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 05:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:47 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-01 21:59 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:48 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-04 23:53 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-06 15:38 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-06 16:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-02 23:46 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:02 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:03 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-03 13:10 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:00 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:59 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 08:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:22 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 16:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 10:56 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-04 19:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net> - 2026-11-04 14:17 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:24 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 15:06 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:09 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 21:11 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 19:22 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:45 +0000
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-31 09:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:11 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:03 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:44 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:34 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-31 13:14 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-01 08:34 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 18:04 -0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-11-02 15:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:33 -0800
Threads and processes (was: Re: "The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-25 23:48 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:56 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 17:22 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:59 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:41 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:16 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:12 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 22:40 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:44 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 00:06 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-29 16:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-29 22:39 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-29 15:13 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-29 22:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-30 02:10 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-30 11:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-30 11:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 06:17 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 14:54 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:05 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-25 10:45 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:44 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-27 09:06 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-27 10:22 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-27 10:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 15:03 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:34 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-25 15:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:20 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:37 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-25 22:24 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:01 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:42 +0000
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-10-25 18:17 +0000
Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 09:57 +0000
Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 03:53 -0700
Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-26 14:44 +0000
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 08:56 -0700
Re: Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 16:19 +0000
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-26 11:46 -0700
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:19 -0700
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 09:09 +0000
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:10 -0700
Re: what's a process, was The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-10-26 13:36 -1000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:03 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:12 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-25 08:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:22 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-26 10:02 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-26 13:10 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-27 08:43 +1300
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-28 08:57 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-28 08:39 -0600
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:20 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -1000
Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-26 19:14 -0700
Re: Threads and processes (Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 06:08 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-22 22:44 +0300
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 15:41 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:21 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:31 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:48 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:30 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:34 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 10:11 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:55 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:38 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 12:55 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 16:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:00 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:51 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 05:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:36 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-23 21:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:14 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:49 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-25 16:31 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:07 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:36 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:02 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:14 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 16:22 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 09:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 18:15 +0800
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-10-23 08:10 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 09:20 +0200
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:58 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:52 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:38 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:11 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 07:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 07:55 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-21 08:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-21 07:41 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:23 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon boltar@battlestar.co.uk - 2026-10-22 14:53 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-21 13:27 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:24 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:14 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 02:00 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 02:17 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 03:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:50 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 04:56 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:34 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-22 07:31 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:40 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-22 11:18 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 04:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 05:54 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-10-23 19:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 05:19 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:29 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-22 07:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 03:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 22:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 06:25 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-23 11:45 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:43 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:50 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-24 12:43 +0200
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-23 09:02 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 19:19 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 13:56 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 03:33 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 13:27 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 19:57 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 20:09 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-24 22:32 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:28 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:23 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:51 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-23 22:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 17:01 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:00 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 16:16 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 00:42 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:11 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:26 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:47 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 11:00 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-27 18:36 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:48 -0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-27 22:22 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 21:35 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-28 01:43 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-10-27 22:18 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-27 19:28 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-28 14:16 -0700
Re: Structured Programming (was Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us”) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 23:38 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 19:21 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 03:40 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:29 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 13:33 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:45 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:53 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:42 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 16:06 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-26 22:29 +0100
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 14:58 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 15:46 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 03:46 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 04:51 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-22 06:39 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 16:54 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-10-20 12:10 -0700
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:20 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-10-20 21:20 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:26 -0500
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:35 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-21 01:30 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 20:21 +0800
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:03 -0400
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 16:26 -0600
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 19:01 -0400
Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-20 14:15 +0000
Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us" "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:09 -0700
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 08:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bkrj0$obt$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #236028 |
In article <11bker0$2pa7q$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote: >On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 13:53:39 -0400 (EDT) >kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>In article <11bhpo6$2lpjl$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote: >>>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> gabbled: >>>>On 10/23/2026 11:06 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>>>>> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. >>>>> >>>>> From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. >>>> >>>>Bill Gates wrote the Microsoft Basic compiler and interpreter for the >>>>Altair 8080 in 2K of ram using assembly language. Take that as you will. >>> >>>Gates when he put his mind to it could certainly program. Even Sinclair >>>required 4K for BASIC in the ZX80 for example. But some of his technical >>>(and business) decisions leave a lot to be desired. >> >>But the ZX80 (and most later MBASICs) had floating point. > >The ZX80 ran Sinclair Basic, it had nothing to do with MS and it was integer >only. The ZX81 had flowing point basic and had an 8K ROM which is still >bloody impressive. I did not realize that the ZX80 was integer only! I thought it was more or less like the ZX81 with everything stuffed into an asic. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 13:58 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11blg0j$3r48p$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236035 |
On 10/25/2026 8:10 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > In article <11bker0$2pa7q$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote: >> On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 13:53:39 -0400 (EDT) >> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>> In article <11bhpo6$2lpjl$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote: >>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> gabbled: >>>>> On 10/23/2026 11:06 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>>>>>> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. >>>>>> >>>>>> From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Gates wrote the Microsoft Basic compiler and interpreter for the >>>>> Altair 8080 in 2K of ram using assembly language. Take that as you will. >>>> >>>> Gates when he put his mind to it could certainly program. Even Sinclair >>>> required 4K for BASIC in the ZX80 for example. But some of his technical >>>> (and business) decisions leave a lot to be desired. >>> >>> But the ZX80 (and most later MBASICs) had floating point. >> >> The ZX80 ran Sinclair Basic, it had nothing to do with MS and it was integer >> only. The ZX81 had flowing point basic and had an 8K ROM which is still >> bloody impressive. > > I did not realize that the ZX80 was integer only! I thought it was more > or less like the ZX81 with everything stuffed into an asic. > --scott > The Apple ][ was also integer only. The Apple ][+ had floating point. The top 16k of memory was ROM supporting the OS and BASIC. Relatively roomy compared to the ZX80/81. pt
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 19:06 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bm218$5m3$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #236053 |
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: > >The Apple ][ was also integer only. The Apple ][+ had floating point. >The top 16k of memory was ROM supporting the OS and BASIC. Relatively >roomy compared to the ZX80/81. Yes, the INTBASIC was Apple code, while APPLESOFT BASIC was written by Microsoft on contract to Apple. APPLESOFT worked pretty well aside from programmable functions. It could do realtime FFTs at 0.5 samp/sec which was good enough for some interesting things. You could upgrade the roms in your original Apple ][ to the ][+ roms for what seemed like a fortune to me at the time but which was probably quite reasonable. I think you lost Sweet-16 in the process though. --scott > >pt -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 17:07 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bm5kb$38ma$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236070 |
On 10/25/2026 4:06 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The Apple ][ was also integer only. The Apple ][+ had floating point. >> The top 16k of memory was ROM supporting the OS and BASIC. Relatively >> roomy compared to the ZX80/81. > > Yes, the INTBASIC was Apple code, while APPLESOFT BASIC was written by > Microsoft on contract to Apple. APPLESOFT worked pretty well aside from > programmable functions. It could do realtime FFTs at 0.5 samp/sec which > was good enough for some interesting things. > > You could upgrade the roms in your original Apple ][ to the ][+ roms > for what seemed like a fortune to me at the time but which was probably > quite reasonable. I think you lost Sweet-16 in the process though. > --scott >> >> pt > > IIGS with some extra memory, and a HD, beat a Mac back in the say, iirc, Mac SE. The Mac iicx, or iise, well they were pretty fun.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 22:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bmfcm$6c6l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236070 |
On 10/25/2026 7:06 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The Apple ][ was also integer only. The Apple ][+ had floating point. >> The top 16k of memory was ROM supporting the OS and BASIC. Relatively >> roomy compared to the ZX80/81. > > Yes, the INTBASIC was Apple code, while APPLESOFT BASIC was written by > Microsoft on contract to Apple. APPLESOFT worked pretty well aside from > programmable functions. It could do realtime FFTs at 0.5 samp/sec which > was good enough for some interesting things. > > You could upgrade the roms in your original Apple ][ to the ][+ roms > for what seemed like a fortune to me at the time but which was probably > quite reasonable. I think you lost Sweet-16 in the process though. > --scott >> >> pt I distinctly recall working with Sweet-16 on my ][+ back in the day, but can't recall the details. pt
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-26 03:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bmigr$78mo$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236082 |
On Sun, 25 Oct 2026 22:54:14 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote: > I distinctly recall working with Sweet-16 on my ][+ back in the day, > but can't recall the details. Interpreter for 16-bit integer arithmetic, according to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWEET16>: ran at 1/10th the speed of native 6502 instructions, but took up just 300 bytes of RAM, but apparently cut the size of the whole Integer BASIC implementation by 20%.
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-26 08:29 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11blsb2$7fg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235951 |
On 24/10/26 06:49, Lynn McGuire wrote: > > Bill Gates wrote the Microsoft Basic compiler and interpreter for the > Altair 8080 in 2K of ram using assembly language. Take that as you will. Then someone translated it into an African language and called it Mbasic. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 20:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <mdd1p9dl3t9.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #235951 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
> Bill Gates wrote the Microsoft Basic compiler and interpreter for the
> Altair 8080 in 2K of ram using assembly language. Take that as you will.
The original Altair BASIC is only an interpreter; there is no compiler
available.
The interpreter requires 4K minimum to run.
The interpreter is assembled from source on a PDP-10 with at least 128K (and
preferably more) of 36 bit words,because it's implemented as local system call
macros in PDP-10 assembler.
Bill wrote the basic framework, Monte Davidoff wrote the transcendental math
functions, and Paul Allen wrote the PDP-10 code to do the assembly.
NB: I worked for Paul building Living Computers: Museum+Labs and working there
as an engineer from 2003-2018, then till 2020 when we closed due to the pandemic.
I've seen the original code, with named attributions.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-26 08:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <20261026081337.00001e27@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #236074 |
On 25 Oct 2026 20:10:26 -0400 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote: > The interpreter is assembled from source on a PDP-10 with at least > 128K (and preferably more) of 36 bit words,because it's implemented > as local system call macros in PDP-10 assembler. > > Bill wrote the basic framework, Monte Davidoff wrote the > transcendental math functions, and Paul Allen wrote the PDP-10 code > to do the assembly. > > NB: I worked for Paul building Living Computers: Museum+Labs and > working there as an engineer from 2003-2018, then till 2020 when we > closed due to the pandemic. I've seen the original code, with named > attributions. Thanks for weighing in - I had a notion someone here could provide direct info on the topic =^_^=
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| From | "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2026-10-25 01:03 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <rdquqm-jdb.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au> |
| In reply to | #235935 |
On 24/10/2026 03:06, Peter Flass wrote: > On 10/23/26 01:01, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) >> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>> In article <11bd7tj$rh4f$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real world, >>>> get a >>>> job and find out what real programming on real products entails, not >>>> a load >>>> of virtual academic naval gazing. >>> >>> That's because it's not a trade school degree. It's not there to teach >>> you to program, it's there to teach you the fundamentals that you >>> need to >>> properly understand programming. >> >> No, it teaches you fundamentals of certain aspects of computer >> paradigms such >> as databases, graphics, AI. Most people into computers learn actual >> programming >> long before they hit university. >> >>> Engineering schools are even more that way. They don't teach you much >>> engineering, but they give you all the background that you need to learn >>> engineering. >> >> Programming isn't pure engineering - its a combination of engineering, >> logic, >> art and a trade. >> >>> If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for you. >>> It's >>> not there for that. >> >> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. > > From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. A story I heard thirty-odd years ago about Bill Gates' purported programming ability: When MS started making money from their MSBASIC compiler, they started hiring real staff. One of them was tasked with working through the various functions that BASIC does, such as opening files, sorting arrays, and the like. When he looked at the sort routine, he exclaimed, loudly, "What idiot wrote this, it doesn't do anything!" Bill was in the room at the time, wandered over and had a look at what they were working on, and said, "Oh, the sort routine. I could never get that to work." Apparently it was not a career-limiting action by the programmer. Cheers, Gary B-)
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 23:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bjd8j$347p4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235999 |
On 2026-10-24, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > On 24/10/2026 03:06, Peter Flass wrote: >> On 10/23/26 01:01, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) >>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>>> In article <11bd7tj$rh4f$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real >>>>> world, get a >>>>> job and find out what real programming on real products entails, >>>>> not a load >>>>> of virtual academic naval gazing. >>>> >>>> That's because it's not a trade school degree. It's not there to teach >>>> you to program, it's there to teach you the fundamentals that you >>>> need to >>>> properly understand programming. >>> >>> No, it teaches you fundamentals of certain aspects of computer >>> paradigms such >>> as databases, graphics, AI. Most people into computers learn actual >>> programming >>> long before they hit university. >>> >>>> Engineering schools are even more that way. They don't teach you much >>>> engineering, but they give you all the background that you need to learn >>>> engineering. >>> >>> Programming isn't pure engineering - its a combination of >>> engineering, logic, >>> art and a trade. >>> >>>> If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for >>>> you. It's >>>> not there for that. >>> >>> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. >> >> From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. > > A story I heard thirty-odd years ago about Bill Gates' purported > programming ability: > When MS started making money from their MSBASIC compiler, they started > hiring real staff. > One of them was tasked with working through the various functions that > BASIC does, such as opening files, sorting arrays, and the like. > When he looked at the sort routine, he exclaimed, loudly, "What idiot > wrote this, it doesn't do anything!" > Bill was in the room at the time, wandered over and had a look at what > they were working on, and said, "Oh, the sort routine. I could never > get that to work." > Apparently it was not a career-limiting action by the programmer. > > Cheers, > Gary B-) And this is probably an example of where it is important to have at least somehow learned (be it from a "CS" degree or not) that there are well-known sorting strategies and algorithms and that they perform differently, and that it's probably better to implement something sufficiently tested and reviewed? And to know how to pick one that doesn't work too terribly for the kind of data being sorted. Still, sorting is, I think, part of the fundamental basics covered in programming education, and at least at higher education level you can probably expect that to include a glance at the different algorithms. So, by the standards of at least 10-20 years ago, this would probably mean Gates wasn't much of a serious programmer? He wouldn't need to *memorize* all of them, but just to know that he could look it up and pick one. But maybe things were vastly different back then? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 16:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bjdff$350jn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #236021 |
On 10/24/26 15:59, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-10-24, Gary R. Schmidt wrote: > >> On 24/10/2026 03:06, Peter Flass wrote: >>> On 10/23/26 01:01, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) >>>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>>>> In article <11bd7tj$rh4f$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real >>>>>> world, get a >>>>>> job and find out what real programming on real products entails, >>>>>> not a load >>>>>> of virtual academic naval gazing. >>>>> >>>>> That's because it's not a trade school degree. It's not there to teach >>>>> you to program, it's there to teach you the fundamentals that you >>>>> need to >>>>> properly understand programming. >>>> >>>> No, it teaches you fundamentals of certain aspects of computer >>>> paradigms such >>>> as databases, graphics, AI. Most people into computers learn actual >>>> programming >>>> long before they hit university. >>>> >>>>> Engineering schools are even more that way. They don't teach you much >>>>> engineering, but they give you all the background that you need to learn >>>>> engineering. >>>> >>>> Programming isn't pure engineering - its a combination of >>>> engineering, logic, >>>> art and a trade. >>>> >>>>> If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for >>>>> you. It's >>>>> not there for that. >>>> >>>> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. >>> >>> From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. >> >> A story I heard thirty-odd years ago about Bill Gates' purported >> programming ability: >> When MS started making money from their MSBASIC compiler, they started >> hiring real staff. >> One of them was tasked with working through the various functions that >> BASIC does, such as opening files, sorting arrays, and the like. >> When he looked at the sort routine, he exclaimed, loudly, "What idiot >> wrote this, it doesn't do anything!" >> Bill was in the room at the time, wandered over and had a look at what >> they were working on, and said, "Oh, the sort routine. I could never >> get that to work." >> Apparently it was not a career-limiting action by the programmer. >> >> Cheers, >> Gary B-) > > And this is probably an example of where it is important to have at > least somehow learned (be it from a "CS" degree or not) that there are > well-known sorting strategies and algorithms and that they perform > differently, and that it's probably better to implement something > sufficiently tested and reviewed? And to know how to pick one that > doesn't work too terribly for the kind of data being sorted. > > Still, sorting is, I think, part of the fundamental basics covered in > programming education, and at least at higher education level you can > probably expect that to include a glance at the different algorithms. > So, by the standards of at least 10-20 years ago, this would probably > mean Gates wasn't much of a serious programmer? He wouldn't need to > *memorize* all of them, but just to know that he could look it up and > pick one. But maybe things were vastly different back then? > > TAoCP was available 20 years ago.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-26 17:08 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11boj1q$10sut$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235935 |
On 10/23/2026 11:06 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > On 10/23/26 01:01, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) >> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >>> In article <11bd7tj$rh4f$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real world, >>>> get a >>>> job and find out what real programming on real products entails, not >>>> a load >>>> of virtual academic naval gazing. >>> >>> That's because it's not a trade school degree. It's not there to teach >>> you to program, it's there to teach you the fundamentals that you >>> need to >>> properly understand programming. >> >> No, it teaches you fundamentals of certain aspects of computer >> paradigms such >> as databases, graphics, AI. Most people into computers learn actual >> programming >> long before they hit university. >> >>> Engineering schools are even more that way. They don't teach you much >>> engineering, but they give you all the background that you need to learn >>> engineering. >> >> Programming isn't pure engineering - its a combination of engineering, >> logic, >> art and a trade. >> >>> If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for you. >>> It's >>> not there for that. >> >> Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. > > From what I understand, he wasn't a very good programmer, though. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/06/16/my-first-billg-review/ "Then I sat down to write the Excel Basic spec, a huge document that grew to hundreds of pages. I think it was 500 pages by the time it was done. (“Waterfall,” you snicker; yeah yeah shut up.)" "In my BillG review meeting, the whole reporting hierarchy was there, along with their cousins, sisters, and aunts, and a person who came along from my team whose whole job during the meeting was to keep an accurate count of how many times Bill said the F word. The lower the f***-count, the better." "… and THERE WERE NOTES IN ALL THE MARGINS. ON EVERY PAGE OF THE SPEC. HE HAD READ THE WHOLE GODDAMNED THING AND WRITTEN NOTES IN THE MARGINS." He Read The Whole Thing! [OMG SQUEEE!] I turned down an unsolicited job at Microsoft in 1987. In retrospect, it may have been a bad decision. Then again, BillG seems to be a crazy overseer from the latest reports. Lynn
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 14:01 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bg7ej$jge$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #235912 |
In article <11bf48l$skng$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote: >>If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for you. It's >>not there for that. > >Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. He is the best example I can ever give for why having an actual CS degree is a good idea. His lack of understanding of some basic concepts set the microcomputer industry back a decade. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgeh7$24js7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235912 |
On 10/23/2026 1:01 AM, boltar@caprica.universe wrote: > On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT) > kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) gabbled: >> In article <11bd7tj$rh4f$1@dont-email.me>, <boltar@battlestar.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Most of us have a CS degree. But then we go out into the real world, get a >>> job and find out what real programming on real products entails, not a load >>> of virtual academic naval gazing. >> >> That's because it's not a trade school degree. It's not there to teach >> you to program, it's there to teach you the fundamentals that you need to >> properly understand programming. > > No, it teaches you fundamentals of certain aspects of computer paradigms such > as databases, graphics, AI. Most people into computers learn actual programming > long before they hit university. Agreed. Well, for me. I had LOGO, PILOT and BASIC on my first Atari when I was a little kiddo in the early to mid 80's. Born in 1977. I had some books to go with them. So, I read the damn books. Started programming! Now, wrt AI, well, perhaps nobody needs to buy books anymore because the damn thing has already "ripped them off", so to speak? >> Engineering schools are even more that way. They don't teach you much >> engineering, but they give you all the background that you need to learn >> engineering. > > Programming isn't pure engineering - its a combination of engineering, logic, > art and a trade. > >> If you just want a job, getting one of these degrees is not for you. It's >> not there for that. > > Bill Gates never earned a degree. He seemed to do ok. >
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 22:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgooo$27pn2$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235957 |
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 13:02:44 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Well, for me. I had LOGO, PILOT and BASIC on my first Atari when I
> was a little kiddo in the early to mid 80's. Born in 1977. I had
> some books to go with them. So, I read the damn books. Started
> programming!
My first exposure to a real computer system was a DEC PDP-11. I
remember the first time I saw an Apple II running LOGO. Somebody tried
telling it to do a file I/O command without a floppy in the drive. It
ground away for a few seconds, and then produced an error message --
of course.
What was that error message? I was expecting something like “DISK
ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. Instead, it said
I’m having trouble with the disk.
To me, that was like a splash in the face with a pail of cold water.
The idea of an error message phrased in plain, approachable language
(using a first-person pronoun, even) instead of technical terms?? That
was a revelation.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 23:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <x7SCS.1112$8wBe.837@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #235980 |
On 2026-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 13:02:44 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> Well, for me. I had LOGO, PILOT and BASIC on my first Atari when I >> was a little kiddo in the early to mid 80's. Born in 1977. I had >> some books to go with them. So, I read the damn books. Started >> programming! > > My first exposure to a real computer system was a DEC PDP-11. I > remember the first time I saw an Apple II running LOGO. Somebody tried > telling it to do a file I/O command without a floppy in the drive. It > ground away for a few seconds, and then produced an error message -- > of course. > > What was that error message? I was expecting something like “DISK > ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. Instead, it said > > I’m having trouble with the disk. > > To me, that was like a splash in the face with a pail of cold water. > The idea of an error message phrased in plain, approachable language > (using a first-person pronoun, even) instead of technical terms?? That > was a revelation. Unfortunately it's not the kind of revelation I welcome. Back in my mainframe days, I learned to hate catch-all error messages; they're the sign of a programmer who's too lazy to try to help the user. If something goes wrong, I want to be given some clues as to where to look. But more and more these days, your typical error message is "Something went wrong." Nothing more. This kind of conduct should be condemned. Think of it from a support person's point of view. A user calls and says, "I have an error message." "OK," you reply, "what is the message?" "It doesn't work." That's what the user would have said anyway - we've just wasted some time, and we still have to start the same old game of Twenty Questions. I'm not saying that we should go back to the days of cryptic error codes. But an error message can be both friendly and helpful. For your case, how about something like "There is no disk in the drive" or "The disk is write-protected"? And then follow it with an error code for those of us who know how to interpret them. Users shouldn't be made to guess what the computer already knows. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 17:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon |
| Message-ID | <11bgsmt$297te$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235981 |
On 10/23/26 16:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 13:02:44 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> >>> Well, for me. I had LOGO, PILOT and BASIC on my first Atari when I >>> was a little kiddo in the early to mid 80's. Born in 1977. I had >>> some books to go with them. So, I read the damn books. Started >>> programming! >> >> My first exposure to a real computer system was a DEC PDP-11. I >> remember the first time I saw an Apple II running LOGO. Somebody tried >> telling it to do a file I/O command without a floppy in the drive. It >> ground away for a few seconds, and then produced an error message -- >> of course. >> >> What was that error message? I was expecting something like “DISK >> ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. Instead, it said >> >> I’m having trouble with the disk. >> >> To me, that was like a splash in the face with a pail of cold water. >> The idea of an error message phrased in plain, approachable language >> (using a first-person pronoun, even) instead of technical terms?? That >> was a revelation. > > Unfortunately it's not the kind of revelation I welcome. Back > in my mainframe days, I learned to hate catch-all error messages; > they're the sign of a programmer who's too lazy to try to help > the user. If something goes wrong, I want to be given some clues > as to where to look. But more and more these days, your typical > error message is "Something went wrong." Nothing more. This kind > of conduct should be condemned. > > Think of it from a support person's point of view. A user calls > and says, "I have an error message." "OK," you reply, "what is > the message?" "It doesn't work." That's what the user would have > said anyway - we've just wasted some time, and we still have to > start the same old game of Twenty Questions. > > I'm not saying that we should go back to the days of cryptic error > codes. But an error message can be both friendly and helpful. > For your case, how about something like "There is no disk in the > drive" or "The disk is write-protected"? And then follow it with > an error code for those of us who know how to interpret them. > Users shouldn't be made to guess what the computer already knows. > I like messages with codes AND descriptive text.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 03:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” |
| Message-ID | <11bh9jq$2coe1$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235981 |
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 23:31:41 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> What was that error message? I was expecting something like “DISK >> ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. Instead, it said >> >> I’m having trouble with the disk. >> >> The idea of an error message phrased in plain, approachable >> language (using a first-person pronoun, even) instead of technical >> terms?? That was a revelation. > > Unfortunately it's not the kind of revelation I welcome. Back in my > mainframe days, I learned to hate catch-all error messages; they're > the sign of a programmer who's too lazy to try to help the user. If > something goes wrong, I want to be given some clues as to where to > look. But more and more these days, your typical error message is > "Something went wrong." Nothing more. This kind of conduct should be > condemned. This was not like that though, was it? On systems of that era, you would typically get something like “DISK ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. The plain-language message was no less specific than that. Do you want more detail about what went wrong? Perhaps a CRC validation failure? Sector-addressing failure? Missing address/data marks? Invalid GCR/RLL encoding? That kind of low-level detail might be helpful to somebody (perhaps a hardware engineer) trying to fix the problem. And perhaps it should appear in a system log somewhere. And it wouldn’t have mattered much in this case, anyway, since it would have been obvious to anybody‡ sitting or standing in front of the machine, that the most likely cause was the fact that there was no disk in the drive. ‡Anybody who had made much use of floppy disks on micros, anyway.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-24 13:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: “The end of software secrecy is almost upon us” |
| Message-ID | <11bj30n$316i4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #235992 |
On 10/23/2026 8:44 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 23:31:41 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> What was that error message? I was expecting something like “DISK >>> ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. Instead, it said >>> >>> I’m having trouble with the disk. >>> >>> The idea of an error message phrased in plain, approachable >>> language (using a first-person pronoun, even) instead of technical >>> terms?? That was a revelation. >> >> Unfortunately it's not the kind of revelation I welcome. Back in my >> mainframe days, I learned to hate catch-all error messages; they're >> the sign of a programmer who's too lazy to try to help the user. If >> something goes wrong, I want to be given some clues as to where to >> look. But more and more these days, your typical error message is >> "Something went wrong." Nothing more. This kind of conduct should be >> condemned. > > This was not like that though, was it? On systems of that era, you > would typically get something like “DISK ERROR” or “I/O ERROR”. The > plain-language message was no less specific than that. > > Do you want more detail about what went wrong? Perhaps a CRC > validation failure? Sector-addressing failure? Missing address/data > marks? Invalid GCR/RLL encoding? > > That kind of low-level detail might be helpful to somebody (perhaps a > hardware engineer) trying to fix the problem. And perhaps it should > appear in a system log somewhere. > > And it wouldn’t have mattered much in this case, anyway, since it > would have been obvious to anybody‡ sitting or standing in front of the > machine, that the most likely cause was the fact that there was no > disk in the drive. > > ‡Anybody who had made much use of floppy disks on micros, anyway. Iirc, BASIC had a fun error. I cannot remember the damn exact phrase, it was something like expression too complex or something.
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