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  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator anthk@not.dev.null - 2026-08-17 23:57 +0200
    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-08-18 00:07 +0000
      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-08-18 11:51 +0000
        Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-18 22:15 -0400
      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-18 22:13 -0400
    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 07:32 +0000
      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-08-23 07:40 -0700
        Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:07 +0000
          Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 07:27 +0800
            Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-24 01:31 +0000
              Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 15:02 -0400
      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-23 23:36 -0400
    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 23:13 +0800
      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-23 11:20 -0700
        Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:11 +0000
          Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 07:28 +0800
          Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-23 23:39 -0400
        Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 01:15 +0800
          Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-25 03:28 +0800
            Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 12:20 +0800
              Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-08-25 15:34 +0000
                Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 09:35 -0700
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-25 17:00 +0000
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 20:07 +0800
                    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 16:59 +0800
                      Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 04:13 +0800
                Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 11:22 -0700
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:43 +0000
                    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-26 15:34 +0000
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 17:08 +0800
                Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 20:12 +0800
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-08-28 18:14 +0000
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 -0400
                    Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 10:15 +0800
                      Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 11:55 +0800
                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 17:38 +0800
                          Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 04:09 +0800
                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-29 18:31 -0400
                          Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-30 11:33 +0800
                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 09:34 -0700
                          Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 22:59 +0800
                            Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 08:29 -0700
                              Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-02 12:36 -0700
                                Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 13:00 -0700
                                  Re: Origin Of Filename ... Babylon cuneiforms etched on bread? Exorcism? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 12:24 +0800
                                Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:55 +0000
                                  Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 04:44 +0000
                                    Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-03 04:57 +0000
                                      Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 05:29 +0000
                                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-03 06:57 +0000
                                          Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 10:06 +0000
                                        The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-03 18:29 +0800
                                          Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 08:02 -0700
                                            Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 15:49 +0000
                                            Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 14:08 -0400
                                              Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 11:34 -0700
                                                Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 18:01 -0400
                                                  Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-03 15:26 -0700
                                                Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-09-04 04:51 +0200
                                                  Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-04 04:27 +0000
                                                    Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:52 +0800
                                                      Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-04 08:15 -0700
                                                    Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-09-05 06:05 +0200
                                                      Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?) James Dow Allen <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-05 09:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 21:09 +0000
                                            Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? Malcolm Purvis <malcolm@purvis.id.au> - 2026-09-04 06:49 +1000
                                              Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-03 21:27 +0000
                                  Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-09-03 08:28 -0700
                            Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-02 15:37 -0400
                      Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 05:25 +0000
                        Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 13:35 +0800
                          Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 17:35 +0000
                            Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-29 15:42 -0400
                              Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-29 21:07 +0000
                                Re: Origin Of .... "say what?" "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 18:00 +0800
                            Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 04:17 +0800
                    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-29 09:45 +0000
                  Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-29 17:14 +0800
                    Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 03:52 +0800
                    Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 04:24 +0800
                      Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands & the Holy Roman Empire? 15th century?? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0800
                      Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-31 17:08 +0800
                        Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-31 16:40 +0100
                          Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:06 +0800
                        Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 23:02 +0800
               Tops-10 filename/extension representation [was Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-08-25 16:15 -0400
                Re: Tops-10 filename/extension representation [was Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator] Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-05 10:14 -0300
                  Re: Tops-10 filename/extension representation [was Re: Origin Of Filename Extension Dot Separator] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-05 21:11 +0000

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#235528 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew?

On 04/09/2026 12:27 PM, James Dow Allen wrote:
> 
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 11:34:09 -0700, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 14:08:52 -0400
>>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Ilk" isn't common day-to-day vocabulary, but it is something you'd
>>>>> say if trying to put on a "literary affect." It's definitely not
>>>>> just some- thing the chatbots dredge up.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree.  It's fairly common in political discussions to refer to
>>>> some politician "of that ilk".  In this county (USA), political
>>>> discussions are very common.
> 
> In my experience. "of that ilk" in USA is almost always derogatory,
> especially when applied to political alignment, e.g.
> "racists, MAGA nuts, conspiracy theorists and others of that ilk."
>   
>>>
>>> Oh, it's for sure not archaic - it's just not daily man-on-the-street
>>> vernacular, is all.
>>
>> Of course it's not common.
>>
>> Very few people have names the same as the place they live in, and
>> most of those that do and would refer to themselves as "of that Ilk"
>> live in Scotland.
> 
> The duplication of a surname in Great Britain, with or without the "of" is
> often associated with a title: the present Prince of Wales' uncle is Charles
> Spencer, Earl Spencer (though this may be abbreviated to Charles Earl Spencer?).
> 
> I'm probably wrong but when a surname is duplicated in Scotland it
> often denotes that the person is the Chief of the same-named Clan (or,
> if Master instead of Chief, the chief's oldest son).
> 
> Are the following  all essentially the same?
> - Maurice Buchanan [9th] Chief of Clan Buchanan
> - Maurice Buchanan [9th] Chief of Buchanan
> - Maurice Buchanan [9th] of Buchanan
> - Maurice Buchanan [9th] of That Ilk
> The optional ordinal number ("9th" in this example) shows how many prior
> Chiefs there were, and emphasizes that the person is a Chief.  But would
> Chiefdom be implicit from the "of" anyway?
> 
> Instead of a Chief, the title-holder might be a Laird.
> Of course "of That Ilk" is used only when the Clan or Lairdship has
> the same name as the surname.
> Sir William Fraser, 6th of Philorth may have been a de facto Chief of Fraser,
> but wasn't titled such and thus couldn't abbreviate his suffix to "of that Ilk."
> 
> Apologies for all the errors!
> (And what has this to do with the Amarna Letters?  :-)
> James

Dear James,

Nothing at all, and thank you for a wonderful exposition [1] of the nom-
enclature [2] of Scottish clan names.

Are you by any chance a relation of [3] James P. Allen, the author of
several books on Egyptology?  This is his academic profile.

   https://vivo.brown.edu/display/jpallen


Best wishes, and happy studies of Egyptology in alt.usage.english!



[1] Is /exposition/ a common term, or another one now considered /Chat-
GPT vocabulary/?

[2] Is /nomenclature/ also the same?  These are two questions for alt.
usage.english.

[3] Unrelated to schemas in relational databases.  After all, alt.folk-
lore.computers needs to have something to discuss, and why not the re-
lational schemas of Scottish clan names?  Perhaps in I.B.M's. [4] D.B.2?
Or SQlite?  Or PostgreSQL?

[4] I'm taking several liberations [sic] with typography here.
-- 
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I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
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#235530 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew?

On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 12:52:28 +0800
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote:

> [1] Is /exposition/ a common term, or another one now considered
> /Chat- GPT vocabulary/?
> 
> [2] Is /nomenclature/ also the same?  These are two questions for alt.
> usage.english.

"Nomenclature" is considered technical, but still in active use.
"Exposition" is pretty common, though it's mostly used in the sense of
(dialogue the author is consciously using to establish information
about the background of their story;) the sense of (a methodical
presentation of a subject in all its aspects) is, AFAIK, mainly used in
a theological context these days.

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#235531 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?)

On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 04:27:12 GMT, James Dow Allen
<user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

>I'm probably wrong but when a surname is duplicated in Scotland it
>often denotes that the person is the Chief of the same-named Clan (or,
if Master instead of Chief, the chief's oldest son).
>
>Are the following  all essentially the same?
>- Maurice Buchanan [9th] Chief of Clan Buchanan
>- Maurice Buchanan [9th] Chief of Buchanan
>- Maurice Buchanan [9th] of Buchanan
>- Maurice Buchanan [9th] of That Ilk
>The optional ordinal number ("9th" in this example) shows how many prior
>Chiefs there were, and emphasizes that the person is a Chief.  But would
>Chiefdom be implicit from the "of" anyway?
>
>Instead of a Chief, the title-holder might be a Laird.
>Of course "of That Ilk" is used only when the Clan or Lairdship has
>the same name as the surname.
>Sir William Fraser, 6th of Philorth may have been a de facto Chief of Fraser,
>but wasn't titled such and thus couldn't abbreviate his suffix to "of that Ilk."

I'm no fundi on Scottish titles and social structure, but yes, I think
the chief of a clan would be the one most likely to live in a home
with the same name, so the chief the Buchanan clan would be most
likelyto live in the eponymous place, and so be the Buchanan of
Buchanan, or the Buchanan of that ilk.

When English-speaking people came to South Africa they thought the
social system of the Zulus was similar to that of the Highland Scots,
and so they used Scottish terminology to describe it -- chiefs, clans
etc.

For example the place where the Biyela clan lived was known as
kwaBiyela, and most of the people living there had the surname Biyela,
so the inhabitants of kwaBiyela could probably be quite properly known
as "Biyela of that Ilk". I at one time had a colleague and mentor
called Peter Biyela. He didn't live in kwaBiyela, so he wasn't of that
Ilk, but his ancestors may have been. On comparing family histories we
discovered that his grandfather and my great grandfather had fought on
opposite sides in the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879 and so could have
encountered each other on the battlefield. 


> Apologies for all the errors!
>(And what has this to do with the Amarna Letters?  :-)

I'm not sure. What do the Amarna letters have to do with English
usage?


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
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#235532 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew? (was: Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?)

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
> On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 04:27:12 GMT, James Dow Allen
> <user4353@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > ... when a surname is duplicated in Scotland it
> > often denotes that the person is the Chief of the same-named Clan (or,
> > if Master instead of Chief, the chief's oldest son).
> 
> I'm no fundi on Scottish titles and social structure, but yes, I think
> the chief of a clan would be the one most likely to live in a home
> with the same name, so the chief the Buchanan clan would be most
> likelyto live in the eponymous place, and so be the Buchanan of
> Buchanan, or the Buchanan of that ilk.

I don't think so.

Recall that the earliest European Kings were, for example, King of the Franks,
King of the French, King of the Romans, Lady of the English (the title Mathilda
used).  In other words they were King of a PEOPLE.  It was with the increasing
dominance of Christianity and the "Divine Right" of Kings that the titles
generally changed to be King of a TERRITORY.

Of course, that may seem irrelevant here, since we're speaking of Clan Chiefs
rather than Kings.  Lesser nobles were associated with places rather than
people long before the "Divine Right" transition.  BUT that did NOT
apply to Gaelic Clan Chiefs.  A Clan is specifically a group of PEOPLE
not a group of BUILDINGS.  Colin Mor Campbell was
 - Chief of Clan Campbell -- a people
 - Lord of Lochow (Loch Awe) -- a place
His ggg-grandson Duncan built Inveraray Castle - a residence for the Clan Chiefs.
It was Duncan's grandson Colin who first used the title Earl of Argyll (a
LARGE TERRITORY).  The Earls of Argyll were also Chiefs of Clan Campbell,
but felt no need to point this out.

As just one more example to punctuate the point the Chiefs of Clan Drummond
may have titled themselves "of That Ilk" (PEOPLE) in the 14th century
but when they came into possession of 2 pieces of LAND they were known
as the Drummond Lords of Cargill and/or Stobhall.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. :-) :-)  -- JDA

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#235534 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On Sat, 05 Sep 2026 09:13:43 GMT, James Dow Allen wrote:

> Recall that the earliest European Kings were, for example, King of
> the Franks, King of the French, King of the Romans, Lady of the
> English (the title Mathilda used). In other words they were King of
> a PEOPLE. It was with the increasing dominance of Christianity and
> the "Divine Right" of Kings that the titles generally changed to be
> King of a TERRITORY.

That’s because the ancestors of modern Europeans started out as tribal
peoples, and only moved to setting up their own nation-states later.

Elsewhere in the Middle East, Egypt, Greece etc, rulers had been
rulers of nations for thousands of years already.

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#235521 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew?

>>>>> "JA" == John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> writes: 
 
> "Ilk" isn't common day-to-day vocabulary, but it is something 
> you'd say if trying to put on a "literary affect." It's 
> definitely not just some-thing the chatbots dredge up. 
 
It's used in one of my favourite poems by Ogden Nash:
 
'The Cow'  The cow is of the bovine ilk; One end is moo, the 
other, milk   Malcolm
 

-- 
		    Malcolm Purvis <malcolm@purvis.id.au> 

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#235522 — Re: The Amarna Letters, Hebrew -- wait, which brew?

On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 06:49:00 +1000, Malcolm Purvis wrote:

> It's used in one of my favourite poems by Ogden Nash:
>  
> 'The Cow'  The cow is of the bovine ilk; One end is moo, the 
> other, milk   Malcolm

I think the traditional phrase is “of that ilk”:

    The cow is a bovine of that ilk;
    One end gives moo, the other milk.

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#235515 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 9/2/26 14:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 12:36:10 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>> The clay tablets could just be smoothed out and written over.
> 
> That’s what the ancient Cretans did.
> 
> But every now and then, a house or shed or some such structure with a
> bunch of clay tablets in it would burn down, and the clay would get
> baked in the fire, so that it couldn’t be erased and reused. And so,
> samples of their writing survived down through the ages for us to
> puzzle over.
> 
> Linear B (an old form of Greek) has been cracked, Linear A (even
> older) is still a puzzle.

Interesting thought. Today one could 3d-print cuneiform tablets, albeit 
probably better with raised characters instead in impressed to use less 
material. You could probably use some stone/concrete-like material 
instead of clay.

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#235503 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

"Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:

> On 9/1/2026 12:34 AM, John Ames wrote:

>> Cuneiform is pictographic in origin too; but it was developed by
>> scribes who mainly used wedge-shaped reeds to stamp on clay tablets,
>> rather than ink and pen to write on papyrus (or paint on walls,) so the
>> shapes were more abstract than hieroglyphs. IIRC, as it changed over
>> time the characters eventually became unrecognizable as even abstract
>> pictures unless you compare them against the earlier forms.

> Maybe the clay tablets we found were just student work to master etching
> tools.

The origins of Sumerian cuneiform are well known.  See the two volume academic
work _Before Writing_ or the single volume abridged _How Writing Came About_,
both by Denise Schmandt-Besserat.

-- 
Rich Alderson					  news@alderson.users.panix.com
      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#235439 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 2026-08-29, Mr. Chang Man-wai <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/29/2026 9:02 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
>
>> "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> You were too young as a computer users.
>> 
>> Careful, youngster.  Many of us here are in our 70s.
>
> Acknowledge.
>
> So the kids and teens nowadays hate
> typing abcde....xyz? They just want
> pictures and sound? That's SAD and
> might ruin our civilization!!
>
> Why? Some evil beings are trying
> to destroy us by first destroying
> our languages and histories??
>
> Islam? Again? :)

No, Facebook and other forms of social media.

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#235440 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 8/29/2026 1:25 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-29, Mr. Chang Man-wai <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/29/2026 9:02 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
>>
>>> "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> You were too young as a computer users.
>>>
>>> Careful, youngster.  Many of us here are in our 70s.
>>
>> Acknowledge.
>>
>> So the kids and teens nowadays hate
>> typing abcde....xyz? They just want
>> pictures and sound? That's SAD and
>> might ruin our civilization!!
>>
>> Why? Some evil beings are trying
>> to destroy us by first destroying
>> our languages and histories??
>>
>> Islam? Again? :)
> 
> No, Facebook and other forms of social media.
> 

Facebook and other forms of social media are
computer stuffs. So computers are really as
evil as Islam? ;)

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#235451 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 2026-08-29, Mr. Chang Man-wai <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/29/2026 1:25 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-29, Mr. Chang Man-wai <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/29/2026 9:02 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> You were too young as a computer users.
>>>>
>>>> Careful, youngster.  Many of us here are in our 70s.
>>>
>>> Acknowledge.
>>>
>>> So the kids and teens nowadays hate
>>> typing abcde....xyz? They just want
>>> pictures and sound? That's SAD and
>>> might ruin our civilization!!
>>>
>>> Why? Some evil beings are trying
>>> to destroy us by first destroying
>>> our languages and histories??
>>>
>>> Islam? Again? :)
>> 
>> No, Facebook and other forms of social media.
>
> Facebook and other forms of social media are
> computer stuffs. So computers are really as
> evil as Islam? ;)

    A power so great it can only be used for good or evil!
      -- Firesign Theatre

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#235455 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

Charlie Gibbs wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> <snip>
>
>     A power so great it can only be used for good or evil!
>       -- Firesign Theatre

:-)

Also:

    "It's nice out!"
    "Then I think I'll leave it out."

-- 
The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up
in the morning, and does not stop until you get to work.

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#235467 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 2026-08-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>
>> <snip>
>>
>>     A power so great it can only be used for good or evil!
>>       -- Firesign Theatre
>
>:-)
>
> Also:
>
>     "It's nice out!"
>     "Then I think I'll leave it out."

    "Do you promise to covet property propriety plurality
    surety security and not hurt the state say what?"
    "What?"
    "Take your stand."

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#235477 — Re: Origin Of .... "say what?"

On 8/30/2026 5:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>      "Do you promise to covet property propriety plurality
>      surety security and not hurt the state say what?"
>      "What?"
>      "Take your stand."


Round 1. FIGHT!!! :)

Wait... wait... all cameras off!!
All eyes closed. Let's trial again.

Round 1. FIGHT!!! :)

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#235461 — Re: Origin Of Filename ... text and civilization? doomsday?

On 8/30/2026 1:35 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>      A power so great it can only be used for good or evil!
>        -- Firesign Theatre

It's not about good, evil and ugly.

It's not about colors and shapes.

Not about symbols.

Why do you need power? Why do you wanna
wield the Force? Why? Do you really
need the thing you dream of? Are you
walking the wrong path the moment you
stepped on it?

Why do you suddenly have power?

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#235446

On 29/08/2026 02:02, Rich Alderson wrote:
> "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> You were too young as a computer users.
> 
> Careful, youngster.  Many of us here are in our 70s.
> 
or 80s

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#235444

On 28/08/2026 8:12 PM, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
> On 8/25/2026 11:34 PM, John Levine wrote:
>>
>> I think the question doesn't make sense. The reason computer files have
>> extensions is to describe the format of the contents: text, executables,
>> spreadsheet, whatever. That makes it a lot easier to select the 
>> appropriate
>> ....
>> In paper files, it's generally obvious what kind of material is in the
>> folder, or if it's not, it doesn't matter since there's only one way to
>> process it, pull out the file and look at it.
> 
> 
> Because computer file names are text, NOT the
> actual physical objects seen with your naked
> eyes. Back in MS-DOS days, there were not
> even graphics, audio and video files. Then
> Windows and OS/2 arrived which offers File
> Explorers to display thumbnails of the
> object a file name referring to. BUT BUT,
> they are still NOT the actual physical
> objects. The thumbnail pictures are just
> graphical file names, kind of like a
> QR or bar code, but just more graphical.
> 
> You were too young as a computer users.
> I lived the days when there were only
> text in computers. Database files are
> just texts and textual labels. :)
> 
> 

Dear Mr. Chang Man-wai, I believe you underestimate the average
life expectancy of Usenet posters.  I was raised on DOS, so to
speak, and it indeed had graphics without Windows.  My first
graphical application was called Darklands, and you can get this
application on the GOG electronic galaxy, if you care to test it
yourself.

It was a minor annoyance that I had to choose to boot into Windows
for /office applications/, and not for the Darklands graphical appli-
cation, but learned to live with the decision at boot time.


Happy adventures in medieval Germany!
-- 
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I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;

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#235457

On 8/29/2026 5:14 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> 
> It was a minor annoyance that I had to choose to boot into Windows
> for /office applications/, and not for the Darklands graphical appli-
> cation, but learned to live with the decision at boot time.
> 
> Happy adventures in medieval Germany!


Not me, but my younger sister. She's working
and living in Germany right now.

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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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#235462 — Re: Origin Of ..... Darklands the video game? Medieval Europe?

On 8/29/2026 5:14 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

> 
> It was a minor annoyance that I had to choose to boot into Windows
> for /office applications/, and not for the Darklands graphical appli-
> cation, but learned to live with the decision at boot time.
Why are you so obsessed with Darklands?

It's NOT exactly a "graphical application",
but just a game, a role-playing game.

Seems that you wanna travel back in time
to medieval Europe for some unknown reasons.
Is it because you have some unfinished
business back then?


Darklands (video game) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darklands_(video_game)

"The setting for Darklands is medieval Europe. All of the cities that 
one's party may visit in the game are real places that existed in the 
Holy Roman Empire of the 15th century. Most are in modern-day Germany, 
but some are within the modern borders of other countries in Western and 
Central Europe, including Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, 
Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic and Poland. The cities are 
referred to in the game by their Old German names, some of which are now 
exonyms; the new local names are given in parentheses."


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   / v \  May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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