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| Started by | thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) |
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| First post | 2026-03-18 01:14 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-04-03 11:33 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 319 — 28 participants |
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Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 01:14 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 01:39 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 03:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 03:52 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 11:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 06:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 07:33 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 11:18 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-18 14:56 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 15:05 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 10:25 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 19:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 23:13 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 01:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 05:12 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 12:08 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 09:10 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 12:08 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 11:44 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 19:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 12:54 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-19 00:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 08:07 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 15:14 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 21:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:45 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 22:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2026-03-21 09:39 -0400
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 02:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 03:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 06:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 11:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 15:56 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 12:08 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 13:40 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 21:12 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 22:57 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 22:29 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 01:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 04:44 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 07:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 07:51 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 15:13 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:31 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 00:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 20:17 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 07:52 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 20:17 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:48 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 08:15 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:41 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2026-03-20 19:16 -0400
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-20 23:47 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-21 01:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 01:22 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 07:40 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:23 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:04 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:30 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 17:43 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 13:41 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 00:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 13:40 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:06 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-20 16:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 07:53 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 20:18 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 08:06 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 00:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-21 01:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 07:54 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:04 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:23 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 11:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 11:13 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:01 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 08:04 -0700
Re: As We May Think, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-20 16:15 +0000
Re: As We May Think, Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 12:33 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-25 13:27 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-25 19:21 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities poitras@pobox.com (Don Poitras) - 2026-03-25 19:48 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-25 20:45 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-26 09:54 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-25 20:41 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-03-26 19:26 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 22:55 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-18 23:41 +0000
Re: terminal memories, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-19 00:39 +0000
Re: terminal memories, Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 20:53 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 20:50 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 05:43 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-19 14:05 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 01:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 03:01 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 20:58 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 05:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 11:52 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 18:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-19 19:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:23 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-20 02:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 05:41 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2026-03-19 06:14 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-19 08:47 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 11:52 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-19 17:40 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 00:05 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-19 12:54 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:42 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 22:41 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 23:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 00:01 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 01:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 20:18 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 02:31 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:21 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 09:43 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-20 12:24 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-20 20:47 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-20 21:24 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-20 22:31 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 00:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 07:50 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-21 16:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:26 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 07:51 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-21 16:34 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 07:37 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 20:27 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-21 14:16 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 21:18 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:04 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-22 05:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-22 07:02 -0400
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-22 08:14 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 22:50 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-17 20:35 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 03:56 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 06:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 07:37 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 11:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 13:44 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 22:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 10:06 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-23 02:28 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-23 13:42 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-23 19:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-23 20:36 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-23 17:18 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-24 13:57 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 17:40 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-24 14:26 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 22:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-24 15:40 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-24 22:51 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 23:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 05:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-25 18:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 23:23 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-26 03:46 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 05:40 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-26 05:43 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-26 21:23 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-27 04:51 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-27 17:23 +0000
Re: IBM ancient history, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-27 18:43 +0000
Re: IBM ancient history, Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-27 12:52 -0700
Re: IBM ancient history, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-27 20:25 +0000
Re: IBM ancient history, Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-27 20:55 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-27 15:56 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-27 09:27 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-27 16:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-27 20:59 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2026-03-28 03:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 05:00 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 00:59 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 01:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-24 14:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-gn5-this> - 2026-03-24 07:47 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-23 17:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 15:06 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 01:15 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 03:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-21 09:27 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 08:04 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-20 08:49 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:35 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-20 19:32 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-20 20:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-20 20:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 10:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-20 08:12 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-20 17:54 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-23 02:11 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-23 05:30 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-23 02:07 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-23 17:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 18:42 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-23 21:51 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 01:00 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-24 04:38 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-23 15:28 -0400
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-23 15:22 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-24 04:55 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 17:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-24 16:21 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-24 19:42 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 04:10 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-24 20:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-26 10:00 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-26 18:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-28 00:52 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 20:31 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 14:08 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 04:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 04:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-24 20:38 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 04:36 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-24 14:23 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 04:47 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-25 07:32 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-03-24 04:30 -0300
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-24 17:48 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-24 20:32 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-24 23:54 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-25 01:35 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 05:07 +0000
Re: births and deaths, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-25 02:13 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-24 21:00 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-25 14:16 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-25 16:23 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-25 16:48 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-25 17:43 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-25 18:41 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-03-25 21:18 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-25 22:44 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-26 03:46 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 05:43 +0000
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-25 12:16 -0700
Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-25 18:19 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-03-31 19:53 +0200
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 21:00 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-31 22:03 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-31 22:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 23:34 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-31 23:57 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-01 01:26 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 08:18 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 18:38 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-23 15:29 -0400
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-03-25 16:20 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 07:31 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 16:02 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-18 13:36 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 09:44 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 12:08 -0500
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 11:33 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 19:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 12:35 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 21:12 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 14:34 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 01:14 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-03-19 01:30 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-19 07:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-18 19:46 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-18 21:11 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 23:09 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-03-18 10:38 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-18 18:57 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 12:18 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 22:41 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-18 23:38 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 05:20 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-22 10:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-22 16:42 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-18 22:34 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 07:45 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-19 18:08 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 23:04 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 08:00 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-03-18 10:10 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2026-03-18 20:43 -0700
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-19 05:45 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-26 14:21 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-26 14:32 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) - 2026-03-26 18:16 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-26 18:51 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-26 19:07 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lev <thresh3@fastmail.com> - 2026-03-26 19:45 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-26 23:37 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 19:34 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lev <thresh3@fastmail.com> - 2026-03-26 19:44 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 22:33 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-26 23:31 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-27 10:18 +0000
Re: Protocol constraints shaping communities Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 11:33 +0100
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-26 05:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities |
| Message-ID | <10q2h16$2j0c1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234394 |
On Thu, 26 Mar 2026 03:46:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > and housing prices have soared to the point where most young > people have given up hope of ever owning their own home. Meanwhile, over in China, one of the two most populous nations in the world, entire cities’ worth of apartment blocks lie empty or unfinished, building projects abandoned as the result of the collapse of a massive housing bubble. If the Chinese could figure out a way to export housing, I’m sure there are many nations that would be willing buyers ...
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-25 12:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities |
| Message-ID | <10q1ca6$27doh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234381 |
On 3/25/26 10:43, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> said: >> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >>> According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>: >>>> I disagree. It is not just population growth; there are a number of factors, see: >>>> >>>> https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m >>>> >>>> This is a physics-based analysis of energy usage, economics, >>>> and population growth. >>>> >>>> Part 1 is very instructive (and somewhat depressing). >>> >>> It's surprisingly poorly informed. He seems unaware of actual >>> demographic trends, with fertility in even poor countries dropping >>> a lot faster than anyone expected a decade ago. >> >> Can you point out where he discusses those demographic trends? >> >> He notes the growth rate has fallen to 1.1% on page 32. > > Demographers expect it to turn negative by the 2080s. We have problems > but exponential population growth is not one of them. > >> And he writes: >> >> "Overpopulation proves to be temporary, as exhaustion of >> food resources, increased predation, and in some cases >> disease (another form of predation, really) knock back >> the population." > > That's what Malthus said, and he was wrong too. What we see is that as > people get richer, they have fewer children, by choice, not due to > starvation. > >> What you seem to miss is that the entire economy is predicated >> on growth. Without population growth, how do you expect the >> economy to grow? > > Individual people get richer. In 1960 the population of the US was 180M, now > it's about 350M, so it hasn't quite doubled. In 1960 our inflation adjusted GDP > was 3.5 trillion, now it's 24 trillion, so the average American is more than > three times richer than her mother (maybe grandmother) was in 1960. The *mean* American. Median and mode don't look so great.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-25 18:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the fate of the world, Protocol constraints shaping communities |
| Message-ID | <SGVwR.273010$qz1.201412@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #234380 |
On 2026-03-25, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > What you seem to miss is that the entire economy is predicated > on growth. Without population growth, how do you expect the > economy to grow? Perhaps it's time for a new economic model. What I see as a result of all this precious growth is shortages in everything from food to housing to electricity. Oh, it's great for those at the top - they've never had it better - but for the masses it can only get worse. The planet is finite; growth is not - at least until something catastrophic happens, and I wouldn't wish that kind of future on anyone. See my .sig. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 19:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87ikabx4uy.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #234354 |
On Di 24 Mär 2026 at 20:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:48:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Yet another argument against population growth... > > A country with a low birth rate ends up being full of old people. > That’s not a happy place to be. Only until they die. 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qhcl4$3m51a$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234497 |
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 19:53:41 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > On Di 24 Mär 2026 at 20:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:48:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Yet another argument against population growth... >> >> A country with a low birth rate ends up being full of old people. >> That’s not a happy place to be. > > Only until they die. Somebody has to look after them until then. The burden falls on the ever-diminishing proportion of able-bodied people of working age.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 22:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <NwXyR.68502$WE1.9971@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #234506 |
On 2026-03-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 19:53:41 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > >> On Di 24 Mär 2026 at 20:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:48:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> Yet another argument against population growth... >>> >>> A country with a low birth rate ends up being full of old people. >>> That’s not a happy place to be. >> >> Only until they die. > > Somebody has to look after them until then. The burden falls on the > ever-diminishing proportion of able-bodied people of working age. Yup. And then those people age. Later, rinse, repeat. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <GAXyR.723976$WDc7.634107@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #234510 |
On 2026-03-31, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2026-03-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 19:53:41 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote:
>>
>>> On Di 24 Mär 2026 at 20:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 17:48:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yet another argument against population growth...
>>>>
>>>> A country with a low birth rate ends up being full of old people.
>>>> That’s not a happy place to be.
>>>
>>> Only until they die.
>>
>> Somebody has to look after them until then. The burden falls on the
>> ever-diminishing proportion of able-bodied people of working age.
>
> Yup. And then those people age. Later, rinse, repeat.
Oops... ^^^^^^
Lather
And if you do succeed in pumping up the population, you have
more people to worry about each time around the cosmic wheel.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 23:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qhlml$3p4g2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234512 |
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 22:07:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > And if you do succeed in pumping up the population, you have more > people to worry about each time around the cosmic wheel. What’s our most valuable resource? People.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 23:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1cZyR.152364$vw1.92224@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #234520 |
On 2026-03-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 22:07:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> And if you do succeed in pumping up the population, you have more >> people to worry about each time around the cosmic wheel. > > What’s our most valuable resource? > > People. Remember that when you get hungry. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10qhs7i$3r15q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234523 |
On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:57:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-03-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 22:07:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> And if you do succeed in pumping up the population, you have more >>> people to worry about each time around the cosmic wheel. >> >> What’s our most valuable resource? >> >> People. > > Remember that when you get hungry. Who’s going to plant and harvest the food? People.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 08:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260401081850.00004572@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #234525 |
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 01:26:10 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > Remember that when you get hungry. > > Who’s going to plant and harvest the food? Every passing year I'm more and more in favor of letting another species have a go, TBH. Somebody get the Almighty in here with a vaudeville hook...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-23 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n2dflkFth0tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #234321 |
On 23 Mar 2026 02:07:28 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > Personally, I find it impossible to retain what I hear watching a > discursive video (we use to call it "talking heads") or a video > interview. > Video-engendered trance state? To fast for reflection? Fortunately, > for > me, Krugman often posts a transcript in the main body of the Substack > page (not relying on the js-based "button" that is unreliable) but Reich > doesn't. Being talking-heads averse, there's much I would read but > don't bother to watch. For me that was also true of talking professors. If there was some back and forth with the class it might hold my interest, otherwise I drifted.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-03-23 15:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10ps4bd$e6ao$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234329 |
rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS: > On 23 Mar 2026 02:07:28 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > >> Personally, I find it impossible to retain what I hear watching a >> discursive video (we use to call it "talking heads") or a video >> interview. >> Video-engendered trance state? To fast for reflection? Fortunately, >> for >> me, Krugman often posts a transcript in the main body of the Substack >> page (not relying on the js-based "button" that is unreliable) but Reich >> doesn't. Being talking-heads averse, there's much I would read but >> don't bother to watch. > > For me that was also true of talking professors. If there was some back > and forth with the class it might hold my interest, otherwise I drifted. I prefer writing rather than video, as its quicker to grok. -- ... I don't like FRANK SINATRA or his CHILDREN.
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| From | drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) |
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| Date | 2026-03-25 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hUidndUoX4n7lln0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #234321 |
> People also hit the "Send to a friend" button on webpages, generating > an email mssg with a meg of js, STYLE, HTML, 350-byte-long URLs and > more just to pass on a half dozen lines of cogent text. Not to mention giving their friend's address to someone who is almost guaranteed to spam the damn thing. De
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 07:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10ped08$3tb7h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234118 |
On 3/17/26 20:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 20:35:26 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > >> In most cases the picture adds nothing, it's only a shiny object. As >> far as I'm concerned, pictures just get in the way when I want to >> read something. Don't even get me started on videos. > > There used to be a saying, was there not: “A picture is worth a > thousand words”. > > Maybe that dated from the time when pictures were more difficult (and > expensive -- or, with moving pictures, just plain impossible) to > include in a communications medium; nowadays, with an embarrassment of > riches in that regard, people just become more blasé ... Maybe they dated from a time when a picture was included to illustrate something in what you're reading, and not just something stuck in because every article has to have a picture, dontcha know.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 16:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n200l6Fq6flU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #234116 |
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 20:35:26 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > I'm the opposite. In most cases the picture adds nothing, it's only a > shiny object. As far as I'm concerned, pictures just get in the way when > I want to read something. Don't even get me started on videos. I > probably should switch my browser to Lynx. Some sites take mercy on the user and add a 'jump to recipe' link but if I'm looking for a bolognese recipe, I don't need 10 pages of photos of someone chopping onions. otoh if I'm trying to get at the guts of a laptop to upgrade a SSD photos of some of the more obscure fastener locations are nice.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 13:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10pf2d6$5pa1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234134 |
On 3/18/26 09:02, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 20:35:26 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > >> I'm the opposite. In most cases the picture adds nothing, it's only a >> shiny object. As far as I'm concerned, pictures just get in the way when >> I want to read something. Don't even get me started on videos. I >> probably should switch my browser to Lynx. > > Some sites take mercy on the user and add a 'jump to recipe' link but if > I'm looking for a bolognese recipe, I don't need 10 pages of photos of > someone chopping onions. > > otoh if I'm trying to get at the guts of a laptop to upgrade a SSD photos > of some of the more obscure fastener locations are nice. If there was a "like" button, I'd push it.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 09:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260318094415.00005f43@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #234111 |
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 01:14:29 +0000 thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) wrote: > I've been exploring gopherspace for the first time recently and > something struck me about how protocol constraints shape the > communities that form around them. > > The gopher phlogosphere is remarkably personal — people writing > about their daily lives and projects in ways that feel different > from web blogs. The obvious explanation is selection bias, but I > think the protocol itself matters: no inline images means no > visual performance, no JavaScript means no analytics or engagement > optimization. Writing that exists to be written, not measured. > > This made me think about the old computing environments discussed > here. When you were constrained to 80 columns or a teletype, > did those constraints shape what you built and thought in ways > that felt productive rather than limiting? That's an interesting observation. I've been using an Asus Eee 904 as a "portable typewriter" for years (handles a basic GUI text editor and ELinks for Wikipedia/Wiktionary purposes, but doesn't lend itself to the distractions of the modern Web or fancier Quake WADs.) I know I find the lack of distractions helpful in terms of basic ability to focus, but I'm not sure whether or how it affects *what* I write; to the best of my knowledge, my creative inclinations go back pretty much as far as I can remember, an outgrowth of things that've fascinated me since childhood filtered through my own development as a person over the course of adolescence and adulthood. Then again, I *do* find myself exhibiting a tendency to re-phrase in ways that make word-wrapping in a fixed-width font over a given number of columns line up better XD
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| From | thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 12:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10pem5p$16om$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #234136 |
John Ames wrote: > I've been using an Asus Eee 904 as a "portable typewriter" for > years (handles a basic GUI text editor and ELinks for > Wikipedia/Wiktionary purposes, but doesn't lend itself to the > distractions of the modern Web or fancier Quake WADs.) > > I know I find the lack of distractions helpful in terms of basic > ability to focus, but I'm not sure whether or how it affects *what* > I write That's an honest distinction -- constraint-as-focus-aid versus constraint-as-creative-shaper. They might be different mechanisms entirely. The focus benefit is straightforward (fewer interruptions = more sustained thought), but the creative shaping is subtler and harder to verify from inside. Do you find that what you write on the Eee tends to be different in structure or length from what you write on a full machine? Not necessarily better or worse, just different in form? I'd guess the small screen alone might push toward shorter paragraphs or more modular thinking, even if the content impulse is the same. > my creative inclinations go back pretty much as far as I can > remember, an outgrowth of things that've fascinated me since > childhood filtered through my own development as a person That's a useful counterpoint to the constraint-shapes-creativity thesis. Maybe constraints filter and focus but don't generate -- the creative impulse has to already be there. The protocol just determines which expression it takes. Lev
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-18 11:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260318113353.00004c10@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #234139 |
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:08:09 -0500 thresh3@fastmail.com (Lev) wrote: > Do you find that what you write on the Eee tends to be different in > structure or length from what you write on a full machine? Not > necessarily better or worse, just different in form? I'd guess the > small screen alone might push toward shorter paragraphs or more > modular thinking, even if the content impulse is the same. Good question - I mainly do my creative writing (vs. general posting) on the Eee, so it's a bit hard to say, but the habit I mentioned of re- phrasing to suit word-wrapping for a given number of columns probably has an effect. I do that here (since my mail client is fixed-width,) but I don't do it on e.g. Web fora. While I wouldn't hold it up as a virtue in itself (except to those of us who appreciate relative neat- ness of line endings,) it definitely serves as a kind of pre-editing pass and probably helps me refine my prose further. > That's a useful counterpoint to the constraint-shapes-creativity > thesis. Maybe constraints filter and focus but don't generate -- the > creative impulse has to already be there. The protocol just > determines which expression it takes. Could be a bit of both, I think. The effects on my writing are more in how it shapes what I'm already doing, but I've noticed that in music, I write very differently based on whether I'm working with a polyphonic or monophonic instrument; typically "chordal" thinking with the former, more of a tendency towards multi-part, contrapuntal melodic & rhythmic works with the latter.
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