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"Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-06-15 13:22 -0700
Last post2016-06-18 13:00 +0000
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  "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-15 13:22 -0700
    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-16 12:30 +0000
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-16 13:01 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 04:21 -0400
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-06-18 18:56 +0000
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-19 13:31 +0000
          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-19 16:59 +0100
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-06-22 16:41 -0500
    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-16 07:58 -0700
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-16 08:13 -0700
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-16 10:38 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-16 10:44 -0700
          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-16 10:46 -0700
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-16 13:27 -0700
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-16 19:08 -0700
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-17 12:51 +0000
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-17 14:11 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-17 21:22 +0000
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 16:47 -0500
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-17 23:02 -0700
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-18 09:12 +0000
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-18 11:49 +0200
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-18 15:47 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-01 19:09 -0700
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-18 17:32 +0100
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 19:07 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 16:33 -0500
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-06-17 17:19 -0500
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 19:54 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-18 00:47 +0000
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:48 -0500
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:44 -0500
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-18 22:40 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 05:05 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-20 13:12 -0700
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-01 19:20 -0700
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-17 02:30 +0000
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-16 22:26 +0100
            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-20 13:20 -0700
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-20 19:47 -0400
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-21 09:02 +0200
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:14 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-21 11:42 +0200
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-21 10:24 +0000
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-21 12:08 +0100
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-21 17:13 +0000
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 07:05 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-21 13:16 +0100
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-21 12:44 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-21 14:01 -0700
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:20 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-22 06:35 +0100
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-22 05:43 +0000
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 18:44 -0500
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-22 08:52 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:49 -0500
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-22 13:17 -0400
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 14:11 -0500
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:22 -0700
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-22 21:03 -0400
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-23 14:17 +0000
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-22 23:47 -0700
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-23 09:11 +0100
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 05:17 -0400
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-23 07:51 -0400
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 20:52 -0400
                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-24 12:30 -0700
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-25 09:03 +0000
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 05:23 -0400
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 19:59 +0000
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-23 12:10 +0100
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-23 13:08 +0000
                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 20:47 -0400
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-24 12:33 +0000
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-24 17:14 +0000
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-24 20:13 +0000
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-24 21:59 +0100
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-25 08:49 +0000
                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:10 +0200
                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:00 +0100
                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 07:31 -0400
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:40 +0100
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-06-25 12:05 +0000
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:07 +0200
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-25 15:31 +0100
                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 15:51 +0000
                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 19:59 +0000
                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 21:45 +0000
                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anonymous <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-26 01:16 +0000
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-25 18:47 +0000
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 20:12 +0100
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-28 10:43 +0100
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 08:36 -0400
                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-28 16:47 +0200
                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-28 19:41 +0000
                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:14 +0100
                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-29 10:42 +0200
                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-29 10:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 12:28 +0100
                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-29 17:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-29 12:15 +0100
                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-29 15:45 +0200
                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-29 15:29 +0000
                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-29 16:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-29 18:45 +0200
                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:08 +0000
                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-29 18:02 +0100
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-29 19:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-29 17:11 -0700
                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-29 22:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-30 18:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-30 13:22 -0700
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-30 22:49 +0100
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-01 08:35 -0500
                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 12:33 -0400
                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-01 18:19 +0000
                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-01 13:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-03 15:12 -0700
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 11:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 12:33 -0400
                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 16:40 -0400
                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-01 21:46 -0500
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 23:21 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 04:08 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 13:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 09:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-02 07:20 -0700
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-07-02 07:36 -0500
                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-02 12:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-02 13:30 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-03 13:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2016-07-03 17:55 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-04 17:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 15:33 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:32 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 18:48 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 19:39 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-06 08:15 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-06 12:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-04 21:19 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-04 16:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-04 21:25 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-05 09:26 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 12:08 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 06:36 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 12:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 08:47 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 14:53 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 09:05 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 17:12 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 18:33 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 08:54 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 11:50 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-06 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 07:54 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 16:57 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 10:20 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-05 12:37 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-07-05 13:51 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:12 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-05 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-05 11:21 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:33 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-05 16:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-07-05 17:39 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-05 17:26 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:46 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 09:00 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:29 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-04 12:42 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2016-07-04 22:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-07-05 01:07 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2016-07-05 12:54 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 08:47 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-05 16:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 18:24 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 08:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:16 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 17:16 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 23:21 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 08:52 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 11:44 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 07:54 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-07-06 00:18 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-07-06 08:46 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 11:42 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2016-07-06 12:51 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-05 12:49 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-06 13:11 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 19:17 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-06 15:12 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-07 01:59 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-07 12:52 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 03:51 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-08 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-08 09:33 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-07-08 15:16 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-08 10:56 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-07-08 14:20 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 19:57 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-09 13:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-10 17:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 19:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 18:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-07-12 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-09 13:04 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-09 13:00 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-09 18:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 22:08 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-09 12:38 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2016-07-11 14:09 +0800
                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-08 16:25 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-07-09 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-09 12:41 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-09 18:49 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-07-09 21:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-07-10 09:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 09:55 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-10 07:04 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-10 17:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-11 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-09 12:39 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 13:43 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-09 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-07-11 21:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-12 07:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Insulation - was Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-07-12 09:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Insulation - was Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-12 16:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Insulation - was Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-12 09:41 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-07-09 20:42 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-07-10 09:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-07-11 16:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-11 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-11 12:50 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 19:51 -0400
                                                                                                                        Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-07-08 22:05 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 07:00 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 11:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-09 12:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-09 18:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 22:09 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-07-09 21:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-07-12 18:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-13 12:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Phoenix area TV reception (was: Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-10 07:01 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-09 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 10:51 -0400
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-02 16:50 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 16:08 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-02 22:27 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:22 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 16:18 -0500
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-07-03 13:33 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 13:32 +0000
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-05 16:20 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 11:39 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 12:24 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-05 12:51 -0500
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 13:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 14:57 +0100
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 11:36 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-05 17:12 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-05 17:03 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 08:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-06 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 19:13 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-06 20:47 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-07 07:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-07-10 11:33 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-10 17:23 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-07 02:15 +0200
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 11:30 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-05 18:42 +0100
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-06 02:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-05 21:29 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-07-06 11:31 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 07:50 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-06 10:24 -0700
                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 12:27 -0400
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-02 17:05 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-07-02 19:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-02 20:28 +0100
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-02 22:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 13:28 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 16:08 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:16 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-05 11:37 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-05 15:34 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-07-05 13:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 09:55 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 20:43 -0400
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-02 19:35 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 07:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:39 -0400
                                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-07-03 18:03 -0500
                                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-03 08:38 +0000
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:17 -0400
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 09:46 -0500
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-03 08:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-03 11:35 -0400
                                                                                                Trump - was: Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-07-04 21:45 +0100
                                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-03 15:20 -0700
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-01 13:02 -0700
                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-30 20:23 -0400
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-01 13:24 -0700
                                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-01 20:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-30 13:14 -0700
                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-30 07:04 +0100
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-30 22:45 +0100
                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-30 06:46 -0400
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2016-06-30 15:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-30 13:16 -0700
                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-30 17:40 -0500
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-30 20:16 -0400
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 11:30 -0400
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-01 13:05 -0700
                                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-30 20:16 -0400
                                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-07-01 13:22 -0700
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-29 16:07 +0100
                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-29 10:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 12:29 +0100
                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 12:26 +0100
                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-29 07:27 -0400
                                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 12:30 +0100
                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-29 12:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-29 14:05 +0100
                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 15:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-29 16:08 +0100
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 17:00 +0100
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-29 16:51 +0000
                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-29 18:41 +0100
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-29 19:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-30 12:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-30 14:05 -0500
                                                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-01 07:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-02 06:54 +0100
                                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-29 15:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-29 16:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-29 17:13 +0000
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-29 12:13 -0700
                                                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-01 08:38 -0500
                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-25 11:28 +0000
                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:43 +0100
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-06-25 11:59 +0000
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 16:10 +0100
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:12 +0200
                                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 08:52 -0400
                                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 16:11 +0100
                                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 12:36 -0400
                                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:06 +0200
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 01:17 +0000
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-24 21:09 -0400
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 07:31 -0400
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-06-25 12:11 +0000
                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 17:39 -0400
                                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-26 04:05 +0100
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 09:57 -0700
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 22:50 -0400
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 11:59 +0200
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-23 10:01 -0400
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 09:09 -0500
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-23 09:48 +0200
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-23 10:01 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 10:58 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 08:12 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:41 -0700
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-22 12:47 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:43 -0500
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-22 12:17 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 11:30 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:35 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 18:08 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-21 19:56 -0700
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:04 -0700
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 21:39 -0500
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-22 08:58 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 17:34 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 13:49 -0700
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-22 21:57 -0400
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 04:29 -0400
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-23 11:26 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-22 00:13 -0500
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:08 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-22 08:52 +0000
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:11 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-23 00:46 +0000
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-22 12:47 +0000
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:47 -0500
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-22 19:20 -0500
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-23 13:08 +0000
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 09:13 -0500
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-22 12:17 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:37 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-23 13:08 +0000
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-22 09:19 -0500
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:26 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-22 16:23 +0100
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-22 12:17 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-22 22:02 +0200
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:35 -0700
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-23 00:46 +0000
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-21 01:06 -0500
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:12 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-21 11:32 +0200
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 11:00 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-21 17:40 +0100
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 16:18 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 16:29 -0400
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:13 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 21:14 -0500
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-21 20:49 +0000
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-21 12:49 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 16:27 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:37 -0700
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 20:12 +0000
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-21 10:15 +0000
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 06:44 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-21 15:41 +0100
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 08:07 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 11:30 -0400
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-21 17:35 +0100
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-06-21 12:46 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 16:27 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-06-22 22:35 +0000
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 21:11 -0500
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-22 09:04 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:39 -0500
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-22 12:17 -0400
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 14:07 -0500
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-22 15:57 -0400
                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 21:34 -0500
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 09:14 -0500
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-07-01 20:06 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 11:30 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:25 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 19:46 -0400
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 18:47 -0500
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-22 09:02 +0000
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:37 -0500
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-22 16:35 +0100
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 14:05 -0500
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-23 00:46 +0000
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 21:47 -0500
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-22 21:21 +0100
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-22 20:55 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:30 -0700
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-23 06:01 +0100
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:25 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:15 -0700
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-23 13:07 +0000
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-23 14:15 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 10:29 -0500
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-23 11:33 -0400
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-23 15:57 +0000
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-23 13:50 -0400
                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-23 15:55 -0400
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-23 20:33 +0000
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-24 06:46 -0400
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-24 12:03 +0100
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-24 11:54 -0400
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-24 16:08 +0000
                                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 14:39 -0500
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-24 17:48 +0100
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-24 07:18 -0400
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-24 12:21 +0100
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-24 10:10 -0400
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 09:32 -0500
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 11:03 -0700
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 22:51 -0400
                                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-24 16:30 +0000
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 09:51 -0700
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 22:47 -0400
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-24 22:02 -0500
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-25 10:18 +0100
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-23 18:50 -0400
                                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-24 12:39 +0000
                                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-24 15:41 +0100
                                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-24 19:49 -0700
                                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-25 08:58 +0100
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-24 11:40 +0000
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 17:37 -0400
              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-21 06:54 -0400
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-21 10:57 +0000
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-21 06:49 -0700
                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:33 -0700
                    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 18:05 -0400
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:07 -0400
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-21 22:37 -0400
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 04:31 -0400
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 14:02 -0700
                      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-22 13:47 -0700
                        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-23 00:46 +0000
                          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-23 06:42 +0100
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-23 05:59 +0000
                              Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 04:31 -0400
                                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 09:12 -0500
                                  Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-23 11:11 -0500
                            Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-23 07:39 +0100
                Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-21 14:13 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-16 13:12 -0700
          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-16 21:39 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-16 14:37 -0700
          Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-16 19:35 -0700
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-16 13:02 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-16 14:51 -0700
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-16 13:06 -0700
    Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:38 +0000
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-17 08:07 -0400
      Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-17 14:34 -0700
        Re: "Computer & Automation" later issues--anti-establishment thrust jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-18 13:00 +0000

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#166211

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-06-30 13:14 -0700
Message-ID<aae58c7e-b294-469d-80d6-388fe9cd7f7b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166179
On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 10:31:21 PM UTC-4, D_J_E wrote:

> I recommend using less theory and more adaptive rules.
> Like we do now, a little capitalism, a little socialism,
> whatever works for this time and place.

Yes, what you say will work best.

Unfortunately, from time to time, the ideologues take control
and screw things up.  In the last few years, the tea party has
taken over the debate.  Workers have suffered while the very
wealthy has gotten wealthier.

In the last Verizon strike, the workers were basically seeking
to maintain their situation.  Yet some commentators painted
them as greedy, seeking outrageous compensation that would
bankrupt the company.



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#166181

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-06-30 07:04 +0100
Message-ID<j82dnRjNN6L0K-nKnZ2dnUU78Y3NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#166176
On 30/06/2016 01:11, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I read something about how capitalism was inevitably going to
>> overthrow Marxism, and an ideal conservative world with justice
>> for... uh... some...
>
> The problem with capitalism--so often ignored by conservatives--
> is the lack of a true free market.
>
> Capitalism is based on having a true free market, where buyers
> and sellers have full knowledge, can trade freely with each
> other, and vendors can freely join in.
>
> But once an economy grows, the true free market ceases.  It
> gets skewed.  Buyers and sellers do not have free knowledge,
> people can not come and go freely.  Adam Smith's "unseen hand"
> fails to work.
>
> This was recognized over 100 years ago by Theodore Roosevelt
> and others even earlier, when the US federal govt became
> regulating the marketplace.  But the problems with the markets
> continued until the great depression when everything crashed.
>
> Today, the clock has turned back and we again see monopoly
> power and high concentration of wealth and economic power.
>

Concentrations of power have less power than their bosses' think. This 
week we have been hearing about the collapse of British Home Stores and 
the inability of Britain's politicians and media to make Britain vote to 
stay in the European Community.

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#166200

Frommausg@mail.com
Date2016-06-30 18:16 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnnakvr.1oi.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to#166181
On 2016-06-30, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 30/06/2016 01:11, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Concentrations of power have less power than their bosses' think. This 
> week we have been hearing about the collapse of British Home Stores and 
> the inability of Britain's politicians and media to make Britain vote to 
> stay in the European Community.

The collapse of BHS is not a sign of failure of capitalism or socialism,
is a sign of the collapse of law. 

-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
 .
  .
...

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#166215

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-06-30 22:45 +0100
Message-ID<mf2dncdJg8lED-jKnZ2dnUU78WGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#166200
On 30/06/2016 19:16, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2016-06-30, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 30/06/2016 01:11, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Concentrations of power have less power than their bosses' think. This
>> week we have been hearing about the collapse of British Home Stores and
>> the inability of Britain's politicians and media to make Britain vote to
>> stay in the European Community.
>
> The collapse of BHS is not a sign of failure of capitalism or socialism,
> is a sign of the collapse of law.
>
That is the vultures swooping in and picking the carcass clean. BHS has 
been losing customers for years.

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#166187

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-06-30 06:46 -0400
Message-ID<837233791.488976120.914100.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#166176
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> I read something about how capitalism was inevitably going to
>> overthrow Marxism, and an ideal conservative world with justice
>> for... uh... some...
> 
> The problem with capitalism--so often ignored by conservatives--
> is the lack of a true free market.
> 
> Capitalism is based on having a true free market, where buyers
> and sellers have full knowledge, can trade freely with each
> other, and vendors can freely join in.
> 
> But once an economy grows, the true free market ceases.  It
> gets skewed.  Buyers and sellers do not have free knowledge,
> people can not come and go freely.  Adam Smith's "unseen hand"
> fails to work.
> 
> This was recognized over 100 years ago by Theodore Roosevelt
> and others even earlier, when the US federal govt became
> regulating the marketplace.  But the problems with the markets
> continued until the great depression when everything crashed.
> 
> Today, the clock has turned back and we again see monopoly
> power and high concentration of wealth and economic power.
> 

There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.

-- 
Pete

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#166195

FromRob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com>
Date2016-06-30 15:34 +0100
Message-ID<20160630153435.1c8c1669@Mars>
In reply to#166187
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 06:46:29 -0400
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> because a large percentage
> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate,

That's what makes it "free" - people do what suits them, everything
adapts to everything else.

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#166212

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-06-30 13:16 -0700
Message-ID<be629fcb-7a08-4dd0-9cf2-30b3d2f606cf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166187
On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:

> There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
> involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.

Lots of workers have migrated.  When the 1980s recession hit the
rust belt hard, many workers moved to other parts of the country
where jobs are more plentiful.

People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
and that's a very difficult move to make.

In my region, young people have no expectation of staying in the area.

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#166218

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-06-30 17:40 -0500
Message-ID<nl4769$71a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166212
On 6/30/2016 3:16 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
>> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
>> involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.
>
> Lots of workers have migrated.  When the 1980s recession hit the
> rust belt hard, many workers moved to other parts of the country
> where jobs are more plentiful.
>
> People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
> and that's a very difficult move to make.

Very few industrialized countries are interested in seeing a large 
influx of industrial-type workers. How many US former automobile 
assembly line workers do you think will be able to find work in 
foreign countries? And on the flip side, how welcome are similar 
workers from, say, Mexico, here? Does any government make entry and 
working papers simple?

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#166221

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-06-30 20:16 -0400
Message-ID<842725687.489024963.171558.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#166218
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 6/30/2016 3:16 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>> 
>>> There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
>>> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
>>> involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.
>> 
>> Lots of workers have migrated.  When the 1980s recession hit the
>> rust belt hard, many workers moved to other parts of the country
>> where jobs are more plentiful.
>> 
>> People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
>> and that's a very difficult move to make.
> 
> Very few industrialized countries are interested in seeing a large 
> influx of industrial-type workers. How many US former automobile 
> assembly line workers do you think will be able to find work in 
> foreign countries? And on the flip side, how welcome are similar 
> workers from, say, Mexico, here? Does any government make entry and 
> working papers simple?
> 
> 

At least one doesn't any more.

-- 
Pete

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#166247

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-07-01 11:30 -0400
Message-ID<nl62bh$huh$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166218
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:

> On 6/30/2016 3:16 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
>>> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
>>> involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.
>>
>> Lots of workers have migrated.  When the 1980s recession hit the
>> rust belt hard, many workers moved to other parts of the country
>> where jobs are more plentiful.
>>
>> People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
>> and that's a very difficult move to make.
>
> Very few industrialized countries are interested in seeing a large
> influx of industrial-type workers. How many US former automobile
> assembly line workers do you think will be able to find work in
> foreign countries? And on the flip side, how welcome are similar
> workers from, say, Mexico, here? Does any government make entry and
> working papers simple?

Many US states are equivalent in size and population to European
countries.  Is it just language that rules out sharing the wealth?
Of course, most of the EU is still intact and will probably remain so.
Even England may reconsider when they address the details of a split.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#166256

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-07-01 13:05 -0700
Message-ID<26e7e27e-5ab2-4971-8853-44ffb1e7ca5a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166218
On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:41:14 PM UTC-4, Dave Garland wrote:

> > People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
> > and that's a very difficult move to make.
> 
> Very few industrialized countries are interested in seeing a large 
> influx of industrial-type workers. How many US former automobile 
> assembly line workers do you think will be able to find work in 
> foreign countries? And on the flip side, how welcome are similar 
> workers from, say, Mexico, here? Does any government make entry and 
> working papers simple?

My point was that people are willing to move to better themselves.
But you are correct in that these days it's hard to find a 
destination that (a) needs workers and (b) wants them.

Compounding the problem today is fervent nationalism and ethnic
prejudices.  Not helping are that some (not all) immigrants are
very tightly tied to their original culture and don't want to 
assimilate into the culture of their new country.

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#166220

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-06-30 20:16 -0400
Message-ID<1887465892.489024524.777663.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#166212
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 6:46:30 AM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>> There can never be a true free market in labor, because a large percentage
>> of the workforce is unable or unwilling to relocate, and the lead times
>> involved in retraining to change careers are rather long.
> 
> Lots of workers have migrated.  When the 1980s recession hit the
> rust belt hard, many workers moved to other parts of the country
> where jobs are more plentiful.
> 
> People are willing to move to foreign countries for a better chance,
> and that's a very difficult move to make.
> 
> In my region, young people have no expectation of staying in the area.
> 

Some people find it easier to move than others. Young people often change
jobs frequently and relocate.  It's a bit harder for people with
established roots in a community to move, for example how often do you want
your kid to change schools and have to start all over making new friends? 
Blue collar workers have it worse because they don't get  paid to relocate
like professionals do.  Some of them may still be underwater on their
mortgages, so selling their house will cost them a lot of money.  If people
were all single, had no kids older than 5, and rented there wouldn't be
much of a problem.

Than there's the little problem of skills.  Back in the 60s when the steel
mill closed down the workers could often find no comparable work anywhere,
and nothing that paid as well.  You can only retrain so many steel workers
as hairdressers.

-- 
Pete

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#166258

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-07-01 13:22 -0700
Message-ID<8f33d94c-9e6d-4ddf-8507-e5d5c8ab48a0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#166220
On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 8:16:28 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:

> Some people find it easier to move than others. Young people often change
> jobs frequently and relocate.  It's a bit harder for people with
> established roots in a community to move, for example how often do you want
> your kid to change schools and have to start all over making new friends? 

Good point.  I knew an IBMer's daughter who had a rough time of it
when they moved into our area.

However, back in the 1960s, certain organizations like IBM, the
Bell System, the Federal Government, and the military (and some
other large corporations) did require aspiring executives to 
regularly relocate to get promoted.  If you declined, you had
no future.


> Blue collar workers have it worse because they don't get  paid to relocate
> like professionals do.  Some of them may still be underwater on their
> mortgages, so selling their house will cost them a lot of money.  If people
> were all single, had no kids older than 5, and rented there wouldn't be
> much of a problem.

This is all true.  But if there's no money coming in and their
town is dead, moving to a place with a job is the lesser of two
evils.

Heck, people were willing to accept great peril and onerous conditions
to make the trek West in the 1800s, or even take a ship from the Old
World to the New World before steam.


In the early 1950s, US Steel opened a huge new plant.  They had no
trouble recruiting workers from their old mills or coal towns to
come work at the plant.  (FWIW, today the plant which once employed
thousands of workers, has only a few hundred today.)


> Than there's the little problem of skills.  Back in the 60s when the steel
> mill closed down the workers could often find no comparable work anywhere,
> and nothing that paid as well.  You can only retrain so many steel workers
> as hairdressers.

It depends on the job and the individual.  In the 1970s, many (most?)
programmers were on a second career, coming from literally aeronautics
to zoology.  Lots of them were trained by employers, others took
courses at a community college or trade school.  When engineering
fell out circa 1970, many of them became programmers.  Indeed, when
the above steel mill fell on hard times, some of its white collar
people became programmers.

On the other hand, there were tabulating machine operators and 1401
programmers who never could adapt well to S/360, and probably some
S/390 users who couldn't adopt to client server.

As to steel workers, a lot of workers in a modern mill were involved
in transportation (e.g. crane or forklift operator) or maintenance, 
and their skills were more reasonably usable in other industrial 
jobs in the 1960s.

I think auto assembly line workers had a harder time of it.

I also think machine shop worker (e.g. lathe, drill press, etc)
had a harder time of it.  While those jobs continued, much
of it was automated by new technology (e.g. numerical control).

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#166199

Frommausg@mail.com
Date2016-06-30 18:13 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnnakqa.1oi.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to#166148
On 2016-06-29, Kerr Mudd-John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:29:11 +0100, <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-29, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <20160629121557.e3e691ad95f4495908e509cd@eircom.net>,
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016 10:04:58 GMT
>>>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> I read a book, back in the early 80's, that had the title "Will the  
>> Soviet
>> Union last till 1990?"
>>
>> "Nonsense, I said to myself"
>>
>>
> I read summat about how Marxism was inevitably going to overthrow  
> Capitalism, and an ideal socialist world with justice for all would come  
> about. Don't believe everything you read.
>

I would recomment a book that I had here but fell apart, called
`Thigmoo', about computers taking over the world, but in a good way.

My question to socialism at the moment is how it would deal with
situations like Google Advertisments.

(Write a little spider that trawls web sites for the `Google' word,
a _lot_ of positives will turn up


-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
 .
  .
...

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#166127

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-06-29 16:07 +0100
Message-ID<20160629160731.5554db162a0510ad1c9df5c2@eircom.net>
In reply to#166119
On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:45:26 +0200
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:

> In article <20160629121557.e3e691ad95f4495908e509cd@eircom.net>,
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> >	I've long suspected that if she dies before Charles then he will
> >probably end the monarchy so she's determined to outlive him so his kids
> >can take it.
> 
> If he just reigns a decade or so I don't think it will do
> much harm to the monarchy. Sort of like Edward VII.

	I meant deliberately by Royal Decree which would be why she intends
to outlive him.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#166099

FromHuge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date2016-06-29 10:06 +0000
Message-ID<dthksjFfipnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#166094
On 2016-06-29, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nl000p$umo$1@dont-email.me>,
> gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>><mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnnn5h6o.44h.mausg@Smaus.org...

[50 lines snipped]

>>I have my own family's interest at heart and not that of the Great Parasite 
>>of Windsor, Lilibet.
>
> So, what are you waiting for? 

You to stop responding to a troll?

-- 
Today is Setting Orange, the 34th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#166107

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-29 12:29 +0100
Message-ID<nl0bes$3jd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166099
"Huge" <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote in message 
news:dthksjFfipnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> You to stop responding to a troll?

Just because you lack the maturity to deal with a viewpoint
that is not your own does not make for a troll.

Grow up there, sonny.

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#166104

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-29 12:26 +0100
Message-ID<nl0b8t$33g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166094
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:28ec4d-j8r.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <nl000p$umo$1@dont-email.me>,
> gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>>The issue is not about the various invaders that have amalgamated into us,
>>but
>>the retention of absolute power by the spawn of Normans, Greeks and 
>>Germans
>>against the greater interest of the people.
>>
>>I have my own family's interest at heart and not that of the Great 
>>Parasite
>>of Windsor, Lilibet.
>
> So, what are you waiting for? Other nations have abolished monarchy, you
> can choose between the French way (Off with their heads), the Italian
> way (peaceful exile), the Rumenian way (non-peaceful exile) or the
> Indian way (just do the legal stuff, and let the monarch roam along).

I'm not waiting. I'm fomenting discussion, as here.

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#166105

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-06-29 07:27 -0400
Message-ID<1805736287.488892244.040986.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#166094
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nl000p$umo$1@dont-email.me>,
> gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>> <mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnnn5h6o.44h.mausg@Smaus.org...
>>> On 2016-06-28, Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article 
>>>> <1352764203.488810063.965905.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Kerr Mudd-John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:31:38 +0100, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:9t124d-hp7.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
>>>>>>>>> Which spells the end for the UK. Scotland will leave to stay in the 
>>>>>>>>> EU,
>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>> a very good alternative is put on the table within 3 months. I 
>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>> see what that will be.
>>>>>>>> And while we're about it, high time to get rid of the Norman / German 
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>> Greek
>>>>>>>> overlords under whom we are second class citizens for we may not rise
>>>>>>>> to become head of state.
>>>>>>>> This century will see the 1000th anniversary of the Norman Invasion, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> ridiculous that our own fanilies are still expected to play second
>>>>>>>> fiddle to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> family and spawn.
>>>>>>>> Down with the twin cancers of mankind (both of which are mentioned in
>>>>>>>> the so-called national anthem), monarchy and religion. Let us live
>>>>>>>> henceforth
>>>>>>>> in the real world and not in the world of make-believe that both
>>>>>>>> represent!
>>>>>>> To do a really thorough job, the Saxons should go too.
>>>>>> No-one bothers to mention the Jutes.
>>>>> Or the Angles, really.  I think it's unfair, and the descendants of both
>>>>> groups should consider declaring their independence.  Is there a 
>>>>> fraternal
>>>>> organization "Sons of Raedwald?"
>>>> How come noone has mentioned the Romans? They sure didn't all leave in 
>>>> 410.
>>> I wouldn't think that many real romans were ever in Britain, most of the
>>> 'settlers' would have been retired legionaires, from other countries, who
>>> retired there.
>>> (There was advice in some roman text "Do not buy slaves from britain, they
>>> are lazy, and will steal from  you." (cant remember the source).)
>> 
>> The issue is not about the various invaders that have amalgamated into us, 
>> ut
>> the retention of absolute power by the spawn of Normans, Greeks and Germans
>> against the greater interest of the people.
>> 
>> I have my own family's interest at heart and not that of the Great Parasite 
>> of Windsor, Lilibet.
> 
> So, what are you waiting for? Other nations have abolished monarchy, you
> can choose between the French way (Off with their heads), the Italian
> way (peaceful exile), the Rumenian way (non-peaceful exile) or the 
> Indian way (just do the legal stuff, and let the monarch roam along).
> 


I'm not sure of the numbers, but the  monarchy generates millions of pounds
in tourist revenue.  A lot of their revenue also comes from their own
estates and not from the government.  I'm not sure if they're a net loss or
a gain, however.

-- 
Pete

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From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-29 12:30 +0100
Message-ID<nl0bh2$3v7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#166105
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1805736287.488892244.040986.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> I'm not sure of the numbers, but the  monarchy generates millions of 
> pounds
> in tourist revenue.

There's no evidence of that. Where do the millions of tourist revenue
in USA and France come from?

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