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  [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-11-08 13:49 +0000
    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-11-09 09:22 +0300
      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-09 09:22 +0200
        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-09 11:10 +0000
          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-09 12:07 +0000
        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-09 12:08 +0100
          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-09 14:13 +0000
            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-09 14:23 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 14:22 +0000
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 18:18 +0100
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-10 18:25 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-10 19:35 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-11 06:47 +1100
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-10 21:15 +0000
                          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-11 12:15 +1100
                            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-11 10:19 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-11 06:23 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 11:08 -0800
                          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-11 21:23 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2015-11-10 19:51 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-11 00:31 +0100
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-11 08:01 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-11 12:23 +0100
                          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-11-12 03:27 +0000
                            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-12 13:23 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-11 14:39 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 05:51 +1100
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 06:28 +1100
            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-09 16:24 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 14:22 +0000
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-10 16:01 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 18:20 +0100
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-10 18:49 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-11 14:39 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-11 16:31 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-11 18:05 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-11 18:20 +0000
                          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-11 23:24 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-12 14:04 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-11-12 14:47 +0000
                          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-13 13:58 +0000
                            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-13 15:44 +0100
                              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-14 13:56 +0000
                                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-15 04:44 +1100
                              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-14 10:15 -0800
                                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-14 10:53 -0800
                              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-16 14:47 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-12 15:26 +0000
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 17:52 +0100
            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-09 20:17 +0100
            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-11-10 02:21 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 14:22 +0000
        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-09 14:13 +0000
          Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 05:31 +1100
            Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-10 14:22 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-10 18:05 +0100
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-11 10:52 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2015-11-11 11:40 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 mausg@mail.com - 2015-11-11 12:53 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-11 14:01 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 06:25 +1100
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-10 23:19 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 12:23 +1100
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-11 07:34 +0000
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-11-11 17:24 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-11-11 17:33 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2015-11-11 09:51 +0000
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-11 11:05 -0800
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-12 14:04 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 12:38 +1100
              Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-11-12 03:17 +0000
                Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-12 14:04 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2015-11-12 12:24 -0500
                    Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-13 13:58 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-11-13 15:51 +0000
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2015-11-13 14:51 -0500
                        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-11-15 16:44 +0000
                      Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-13 18:11 +0000
                  Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 12:37 +1100
        Re: [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-11-11 18:32 +0100

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#154174 — [CM] Coding with dad on the Dragon 32

From the «as good then as it is now» department:
Title: Coding with dad on the Dragon 32
Author: Stuart Drabble
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:53:35 -0500
Link: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/07/coding_with_dad_on_the_dragon_32/

Back to BASIC for home-schooled daughter

Readers' corner  Stuart Drabble home schools his two young daughters. He lives
in Norwich.…



--
Posting to comp.misc, sci.misc, and misc.news.internet.discuss

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#154197

On 2015-11-08 16:49:13 +0300, RS Wood said:

> From the«as good then as it is now» department:
> Title: Coding with dad on the Dragon 32
> Author: Stuart Drabble
> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:53:35 -0500

//--clip
I packed away my Dragon 32 (16k RAM, 16k ROM) in 1988 and it has been 
in various lofts, cupboards and offices, unloved, since that time. But 
this week I fired it up to teach my daughter proper coding, as opposed 
to messing about with HTML. The boot-time was about 0.5 seconds.
1983 was the era of the early ZX Spectrum and Atari 260. These were 
real computers, where you had to write programs to get them to do 
anything, or at least buy a cassette tape that might have had a program 
or two on it.
//--clip

I have wonderful, nostalgic memories about my old C=64 and all the 
amazing worlds it exposed me to.  But I am not fond of the era of 
waiting 20+ minutes for the machine to read a binary off cassette tape. 
 Progress is good!  (That said, I /do/ wish boot times were 0.5 seconds 
again).  You win some and lose some.

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#154198

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>:

> (That said, I /do/ wish boot times were 0.5 seconds again).

I don't know. Who boots a computer nowadays?


Marko

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#154201

"Marko Rauhamaa" <marko@pacujo.net> wrote in message 
news:877flrwsa6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net...
>
> I don't know. Who boots a computer nowadays?

With the rate of development, any computer older than, say, a couple of 
years, gets booted into touch.

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#154206

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:10:15 -0000
"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

> "Marko Rauhamaa" <marko@pacujo.net> wrote in message 
> news:877flrwsa6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net...
> >
> > I don't know. Who boots a computer nowadays?
> 
> With the rate of development, any computer older than, say, a couple of 
> years, gets booted into touch.

	There are none here that are anything like that new apart from my
daughter's laptop which was an addition not a replacement.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#154207

In article <877flrwsa6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net>,
Marko Rauhamaa  <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
>RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>:
>
>> (That said, I /do/ wish boot times were 0.5 seconds again).
>
>I don't know. Who boots a computer nowadays?

I do, the ones I develop on. And they are up within a minute, 
all of them. With all subsystems like apache, mysql etc.

The laptops come out of hibernation usually as fast as I can
open the lid, but sometimes there is a ~2s delay, which may
be some swapping taking place.

The annoying bit is the dhcp stuff for ipv4, which takes
around 10 seconds. ipv6 is up within a second.

I contrast this with the minis at various PPOEs, which
all took around 30 minutes to come up completely.

-- mrr

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#154210

Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <877flrwsa6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net>,
> Marko Rauhamaa  <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
>>RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>:
>>
>>> (That said, I /do/ wish boot times were 0.5 seconds again).
>>
>>I don't know. Who boots a computer nowadays?
>
> I do, the ones I develop on. And they are up within a minute,
> all of them. With all subsystems like apache, mysql etc.
>
> The laptops come out of hibernation usually as fast as I can
> open the lid, but sometimes there is a ~2s delay, which may
> be some swapping taking place.
>
> The annoying bit is the dhcp stuff for ipv4, which takes
> around 10 seconds. ipv6 is up within a second.
>
> I contrast this with the minis at various PPOEs, which
> all took around 30 minutes to come up completely.

That's (30 minutes boot-up) is horrid.  DEC would consider
that a bug.  Note that none of the OS developers would
wait that long for a restart so they would work on
getting a system up quickly.

/BAH

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#154214

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM0005241C7B957C4D@aca432c8.ipt.aol.com...
> That's (30 minutes boot-up) is horrid.  DEC would consider
> that a bug.

Any decent computer person worth her or his salt considers both Microsoft
Windows and Unix and its spawns to be bugs.

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#154287

gareth wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PM0005241C7B957C4D@aca432c8.ipt.aol.com...
>> That's (30 minutes boot-up) is horrid.  DEC would consider
>> that a bug.
>
> Any decent computer person worth her or his salt considers both Microsoft
> Windows and Unix and its spawns to be bugs.


It all depends on what the owner of the system wants/needs.  Since
TOPS-20 was not available for the general population, something like
MS or Apple's OS would be the preferred system on a PC.  MS' main
problems were that they did not know how to do memory management nor
disk I/O management well (BSODs and reinstalling system software very,
very often).

/BAH

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#154304

In article <PM00052430B92C8826@aca41c5c.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>gareth wrote:
>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:PM0005241C7B957C4D@aca432c8.ipt.aol.com...
>>> That's (30 minutes boot-up) is horrid.  DEC would consider
>>> that a bug.
>>
>> Any decent computer person worth her or his salt considers both Microsoft
>> Windows and Unix and its spawns to be bugs.
>
>
>It all depends on what the owner of the system wants/needs.  Since
>TOPS-20 was not available for the general population, something like
>MS or Apple's OS would be the preferred system on a PC.  MS' main
>problems were that they did not know how to do memory management nor
>disk I/O management well (BSODs and reinstalling system software very,
>very often).

They had several other braindead design items. They frankly
didn't know how to make an OS.

The state of the art was well established by 1984, with both
MP/M(became concurrent CPM), QNX and OS/9 doing things right, 
mostly. You also had lots of more equipment-specific OSes like
the Amiga and Atari ones, which were almost half way there;
each around 10-15 years ahead of Microsoft. 

QNX, which I know best, was around 20 years ahead of Microsoft, they
sort of caught up with the 1984 version around 2005. But by then
QNX had moved on. 

You also have Linux, which is not really a unix. It is, internally, 
more a son-of-tops20 with a unix top layer towards the user. (It even
has the IPC deep down, but still lacks a proper enq-deq; but the
locking almost makes up for it. yes, you can ship a page to another
process just as you can with Tops20, but you cannot have the OS
automatically assign them to a group of processes)

MS could easily have bought either of these, and made a hypervisor
based on QNX, OS/9, CCPM, or a dozen other; and run compatibilty
boxes for the DOS stuff inside. Instead they made the abomination
of Windows, when there was at least a decade of proof they were
way, way behind. This hypervisor thing is still a good thing for
MS to do. But I won't hold my breath.

Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
BSDs, actually.

-- mrr

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#154308

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:

> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
> BSDs, actually.

	Windows - IKEA drill
	Linux   - DeWalt
	BSD     - Hilti

	I've just replaced my Linux based (openwrt) firewall with a FreeBSD
box using pf - now I understand my firewall rules and they do what I want
them to.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#154314

"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
news:20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net...
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
>> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
>> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
>> BSDs, actually.
>
> Windows - IKEA drill
> Linux   - DeWalt
> BSD     - Hilti

The OS that you write for yourself - diamond encrusted and outlives you.

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#154316

"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote in message 
news:n1tgph$8s3$1@dont-email.me...
> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
> news:20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net...
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
>>> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
>>> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
>>> BSDs, actually.
>>
>> Windows - IKEA drill
>> Linux   - DeWalt
>> BSD     - Hilti
>
> The OS that you write for yourself - diamond encrusted and outlives you.

In my case it didn’t, but that was because it was for a PDP9
which hasn’t been viable for a hell of a long time now. 

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#154322

"John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> wrote in message 
news:daevucFiaq7U1@mid.individual.net...
> "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:n1tgph$8s3$1@dont-email.me...
>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
>> news:20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net...
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
>>>> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
>>>> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
>>>> BSDs, actually.
>>> Windows - IKEA drill
>>> Linux   - DeWalt
>>> BSD     - Hilti
>> The OS that you write for yourself - diamond encrusted and outlives you.
> In my case it didn’t, but that was because it was for a PDP9
> which hasn’t been viable for a hell of a long time now.

I just love the basic human interface of those DEC  machines; colour 
co-ordinated
front panels which I think still look futuristic to this day, even though 
most have
moved to the more complex VDU/keyboard as the fundamental interface, prior
to loading an OS.

I have a 1971 catalogue, "Digital Products and Applications" which shows 
them
all in their glory, with the most phenomenal one being the PDP12/LINC.

(1971 was my vacation job between 2nd and final years at Uni)

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#154330

"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote in message 
news:n1tmls$36e$1@dont-email.me...
> "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> wrote in message 
> news:daevucFiaq7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:n1tgph$8s3$1@dont-email.me...
>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net...
>>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
>>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
>>>>> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
>>>>> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
>>>>> BSDs, actually.
>>>> Windows - IKEA drill
>>>> Linux   - DeWalt
>>>> BSD     - Hilti
>>> The OS that you write for yourself - diamond encrusted and outlives you.
>> In my case it didn’t, but that was because it was for a PDP9
>> which hasn’t been viable for a hell of a long time now.
>
> I just love the basic human interface of those DEC  machines; colour 
> co-ordinated front panels which I think still look futuristic to this day,

Yeah, they have aged very well indeed. Can't think of anything else that
has aged so well, although IBM didn’t do too bad in that area either.

Wasn’t so true of the filler panels tho, those
crappy shiny black papier mache things.

> even though most have moved to the more complex VDU/keyboard as the 
> fundamental interface, prior to loading an OS.

> I have a 1971 catalogue, "Digital Products and Applications" which shows 
> them all in their glory, with the most phenomenal one being the 
> PDP12/LINC.

> (1971 was my vacation job between 2nd and final years at Uni)

I'd been using a PDP8S, the serial one, 5 years before that and had
moved on to the PDP9 well before that as was involved with the OS
which had the same idea as TSX for the 11s rather later than that,
essentially a multiuser RT-11. And we stole the design of the PDP9/PDP15
interface converter from DEC's circuits, made our own modules that
were copies of DEC and added the 9 track mag tape that way.

The 9 was discrete transistor, the 15 ics. 

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#154342

"John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> wrote in message 
news:dafj5tFn0kcU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I'd been using a PDP8S, the serial one

<RESPECT>

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#154336

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:35:20 -0000
"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
> news:20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net...
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:18:14 +0100
> > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Like I explain to my carpenter brother in law; these things are
> >> tools. With windows you get a IKEA drill, which is suited for the
> >> novice user. I need a DeWalt, so I use BSDs and Linux. Mostly
> >> BSDs, actually.
> >
> > Windows - IKEA drill
> > Linux   - DeWalt
> > BSD     - Hilti
> 
> The OS that you write for yourself - diamond encrusted and outlives you.

	Last OS I wrote was a CP/M clone - it's long dead.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#154381

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:30:03 PM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> 	Last OS I wrote was a CP/M clone - it's long dead.

Darn. If you only wrote that OS at the right time, you could be as rich as Bill 
Gates.

John Savard

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#154392

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:08:40 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:30:03 PM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> wrote:
> 
> > 	Last OS I wrote was a CP/M clone - it's long dead.
> 
> Darn. If you only wrote that OS at the right time, you could be as rich
> as Bill Gates.

	Owning it and knowing how and where to sell it would have been more
important attributes than writing it.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#154317

En el artículo <20151110182553.00c731ab5506225d47fe656e@eircom.net>,
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> escribió:

>       Windows - IKEA drill
>       Linux   - DeWalt
>       BSD     - Hilti

DOS - Hammer

-- 
 (\_/)
(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

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