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| Started by | Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> |
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| First post | 2015-08-23 09:17 -0400 |
| Last post | 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700 |
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Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 09:17 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 16:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 13:49 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 13:25 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:46 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-23 20:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:50 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:38 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 14:48 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:04 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-24 17:33 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-25 13:34 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-25 13:38 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-25 18:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-25 19:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:03 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:31 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:19 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:52 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:19 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:44 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-08-24 19:16 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 20:43 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:37 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:45 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-24 05:24 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-24 11:12 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:40 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:47 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:53 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:10 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-25 13:36 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-25 14:58 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:45 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:37 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:19 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-25 20:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:16 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 11:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 21:33 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 09:37 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 18:48 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:12 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:09 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 09:29 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:15 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:17 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:19 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:05 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:33 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:13 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:03 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:51 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:00 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 06:30 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-25 20:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 07:36 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:10 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:42 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-26 18:58 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 23:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-27 01:13 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 21:55 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 06:53 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:11 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:54 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:23 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-27 12:11 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 19:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:16 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 16:08 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 11:32 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 14:59 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:20 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 19:12 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 13:41 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 07:06 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:20 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:42 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-27 13:54 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Trog Woolley <trog@email.fake> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:42 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 02:10 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:06 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-27 14:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-26 13:33 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 15:26 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 11:23 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 11:30 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:35 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-27 14:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 10:33 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-27 11:36 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:37 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2015-08-27 12:27 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 16:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-27 16:10 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 17:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:17 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 14:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-27 14:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-27 15:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:53 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:51 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-11 18:47 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 11:23 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-12 13:24 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 07:54 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-28 19:16 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 12:22 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-28 19:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-29 17:50 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-30 06:56 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:35 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 06:10 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 19:31 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:57 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:59 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:35 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-31 12:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 14:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:03 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 10:07 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 17:30 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 11:26 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-31 20:11 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 14:22 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-31 12:21 -0700
Response time Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-15 17:23 -0400
Re: Response time Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-15 22:30 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-31 16:20 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-01 12:50 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:19 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 04:59 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-15 16:19 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-16 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-30 10:41 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-16 13:01 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 08:29 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:38 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:54 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 06:11 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:19 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-28 13:31 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 04:43 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-27 09:39 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-27 18:09 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 13:51 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-28 08:40 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 14:54 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-29 20:12 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-29 15:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-29 19:30 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-29 22:10 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-30 05:22 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-30 06:51 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-30 14:06 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:43 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 15:03 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 14:02 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-02 22:46 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-03 09:36 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:01 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-03 13:25 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-03 21:53 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-04 10:58 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-04 18:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-03 15:41 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-08 10:28 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-09 00:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-08 20:56 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-24 13:02 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-25 12:59 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-09 10:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-10 08:35 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:26 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:27 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:28 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-09 14:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-09 15:41 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-09 17:59 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-10 11:17 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-30 16:42 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 14:56 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:25 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 13:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:51 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 18:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 16:04 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-31 19:12 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 13:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-29 12:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-09-30 15:34 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-01 01:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-10-01 16:27 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-02 03:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 07:32 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-02 13:46 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 13:09 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-06 19:44 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:10 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 20:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 21:00 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 12:15 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 19:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:04 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-01 15:38 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 00:17 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:10 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:05 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 21:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:42 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:59 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:02 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:49 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 15:35 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 09:43 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 06:55 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 17:19 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 09:10 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 19:23 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:43 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:22 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:39 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:18 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:35 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:37 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:36 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:32 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:52 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:16 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-24 12:22 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:41 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 18:47 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:16 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:18 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:31 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:55 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:53 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:28 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-24 12:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 13:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-23 22:39 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:16 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-24 10:34 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:58 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-08-24 13:04 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:09 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 14:52 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 16:41 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:32 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-25 07:16 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 18:38 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 19:26 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 08:46 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 21:50 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 13:28 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 10:25 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-09 18:07 +0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 11:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 10:55 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 12:18 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-09 20:49 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-09 17:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 19:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 15:36 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-10 16:21 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-09 17:51 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 22:51 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-09 22:55 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-10 04:27 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 09:57 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 13:57 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:05 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 00:30 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 09:01 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 03:38 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 11:22 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:13 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:33 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 20:20 +0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:22 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:39 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:23 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:56 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:18 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 12:24 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 00:06 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-12 07:17 +0000
OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities) wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 10:44 -0700
Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:29 -0400
Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 22:31 +0300
Re: OT: systemd Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:41 +0100
OT: Wayland (was: systemd) wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 09:06 -0700
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:31 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 10:36 -0700
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:15 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-11 19:53 -0300
Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 02:45 +0200
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 22:43 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-12 02:58 -0300
Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-12 08:34 +0100
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:28 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 00:58 -0300
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:21 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-13 14:07 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-13 16:55 +0100
Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 13:24 -0300
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 17:43 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 16:09 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 13:07 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:20 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:26 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:41 +0200
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:50 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 10:47 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:52 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 12:59 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-14 14:45 +0100
Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:32 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:05 +0100
Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:31 -0400
Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:38 +0100
Re: OT: Wayland Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 18:15 +0200
Re: OT: Wayland Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 05:24 +0000
Re: OT: Wayland Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:19 +0300
Re: OT: Wayland Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-11 21:46 +0000
Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:24 -0400
Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:25 +0300
Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 18:37 -0400
Re: OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-10 19:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:08 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:31 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:23 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-10 19:28 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-11 07:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 19:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-10 07:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 00:39 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 10:11 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:21 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:55 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 04:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "John E. Davis" <jed@jedsoft.org> - 2015-10-12 17:53 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:01 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:03 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:46 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:30 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:57 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 20:15 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 20:52 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:07 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 13:15 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-08 13:06 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:29 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 12:44 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 15:37 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-08 19:19 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 06:26 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:40 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:46 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 07:29 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 12:10 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:06 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:02 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 23:35 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 12:19 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:27 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:27 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:48 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-23 21:32 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:57 +1000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:00 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 11:31 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 12:08 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700
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| Date | 2015-10-12 00:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d80bt2FibagU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #152710 |
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:24:02 -0700, Bill Evans wrote: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> Both Gnome and KDE utilities continue to work under Fvwm. > > True dat. I started with fvwm2 back in my Slackware days, and continue > with a slightly but crazily hacked variant. It rocks, fvwm2 does. Lean > and clean. I use LXDE and find also that KDE and Gnome stuff is fine. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 07:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvfmqb$tt6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152695 |
In article <mve92n$vai$2@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) writes: > >> In article <mve5ps$j8c$1@dont-email.me>, >> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: >>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes: >>> >>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:22:36 -0400 >>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I first became aware of the systemd outrage, I took a look. >>>>> What I saw looks like a logical, well done replacement. >>>>> I just don't see where the outrage is coming from. >>>> >>>> AIUI the main outrage is the fear that systemd dependencies will >>>> creep into more and more things making them difficult to port to non >>>> systemd environments and thus effectively making systemd (or a functional >>>> equivalent) a requirement in a unix like OS. So far this has not happened >>>> AFAICS. >>> >>> I fail to see how that _could_ happen. >>> The systemd part only starts, stops, recovers a daemon. >>> In my Emacs example, all we see are 2 command lines for Emacs. >>> There's no impact on Emacs from systemd being used. >>> >>> Another made up story about systemd. >> >> I read Gnome now requires systemd to replace the former gnome-session >> functionality, and for handling removable media. Someone has produced a >> replacement shim for non-systemd systems, but I don't know how functional >> that is. > > Gnome, like KDE and just about every other desktop includes system > configuration utilities. Of course these desktops are sensitive to > the systems configuration files unless they can manipulate the system > through command lines. > > Both Gnome and KDE utilities continue to work under Fvwm. I'm referring to the window manager, not the apps. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
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| From | wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 10:44 -0700 |
| Subject | OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities) |
| Message-ID | <news.Sat.20151010.104408.PDT.655@mariposabill.com> |
| In reply to | #152627 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Off topic, but what are the objections to systemd, other than that it goes > against the unix philosophy of having many small programs each doing one > thing? It seems to work well as far as I've seen. systemd is a solid religious issue. That's as opposed to a gaseous religious issue, like vi vs. emacs; if vi users had to use emacs, or vice versa, they'd survive with little long-term grumbling (unless you take into account the muscle memory issue). There are serious reasons to embrace systemd; there are serious resons to avoid it. I'm sure you're aware of the arguments on both sides, so you're probably wondering what pushed me over the edge. You've seen Poettering on youtube. He wins by talking fast. He rushes in. That may not seem rational, but he doesn't pass the sniff test. I keep wondering when he's going to invade Poland. (Yes, I went there.) I don't like the other things that are gradually happening to Linux, either. Is it true that X will no longer run as root? A lot of my personal legacy stuff relies on that. I have no commercial horses in this race. I"m retired and want to putter around on my machines at home. I figure I have only 30 years left, and I don't want to spend time moving things around every time Linux changes in some major way. Linux is a neat way to get stuff done. But FreeBSD is a hobbyist's paradise. Although I use elvis myself, I like that FreeBSD offers a vi that's bug for bug compatible with a classic release of it. It is probably easy to mock this approach. But I like to work (metaphorically speaking) on an old Harley where everything could be adjusted with a wrench and a screwdriver, without all this modern frippery. My lawn. I don't suffer treaders gladly. -- Bill Evans / Box 1224 / Mariposa, CA 95338 / (209)742-4720 Mail-To: wje@acm.org -- PGP encrypted mail preferred. -- pgpkey.mariposabill.com for public key. Key #: 8D8B521B PGPprint: 0A9C 3545 8FFF 7501 6265 1519 40FF 76F9 8D8B 521B
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 15:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: systemd |
| Message-ID | <mvborl$a87$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152644 |
wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Off topic, but what are the objections to systemd, other than that it goes >> against the unix philosophy of having many small programs each doing one >> thing? It seems to work well as far as I've seen. > > systemd is a solid religious issue. That's as opposed to a > gaseous religious issue, like vi vs. emacs; if vi users had > to use emacs, or vice versa, they'd survive with little > long-term grumbling (unless you take into account the muscle > memory issue). Not getting your point. I've seen die hard vi fans happy using Emacs with Viper or Evil. > There are serious reasons to embrace > systemd; there are serious resons to avoid it. I'm sure > you're aware of the arguments on both sides, so you're > probably wondering what pushed me over the edge. > > You've seen Poettering on youtube. He wins by talking fast. > He rushes in. That may not seem rational, but he doesn't > pass the sniff test. I keep wondering when he's going to > invade Poland. (Yes, I went there.) Personal distaste for the author? Seriously? Never saw Poettering speak. I've had some contact with other Open Source heroes. I'm not surprised that some of them are imperfect. > I don't like the other things that are gradually happening > to Linux, either. Is it true that X will no longer run as > root? A lot of my personal legacy stuff relies on that. No worry then: root 1241 1240 0 Sep27 tty1 01:37:56 /usr/libexec/Xorg.bin :0 vt1... > I have no commercial horses in this race. I"m retired and > want to putter around on my machines at home. I figure I > have only 30 years left, and I don't want to spend time > moving things around every time Linux changes in some major > way. Linux is a neat way to get stuff done. But FreeBSD is > a hobbyist's paradise. Although I use elvis myself, I like > that FreeBSD offers a vi that's bug for bug compatible with > a classic release of it. > > It is probably easy to mock this approach. But I like to > work (metaphorically speaking) on an old Harley where > everything could be adjusted with a wrench and a > screwdriver, without all this modern frippery. Against any change? Not a good plan. I've tried (I ran a Mandrake release, long after it's prime). It leads to ultimate failure. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-10 22:31 +0300 |
| Subject | Re: OT: systemd |
| Message-ID | <87wpuur04s.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #152644 |
wje@acm.org (Bill Evans): > But I like to work (metaphorically speaking) on an old Harley where > everything could be adjusted with a wrench and a screwdriver, without > all this modern frippery. That really hasn't been true for Linux for more than a decade. Numerous configuration files were appropriated by the distro with comments advising the superuser to keep out. Systemd just finished the job. Marko
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 09:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: systemd |
| Message-ID | <20151011094110.158ba0e0ef48d4a1e1c8922e@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #152648 |
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:31:31 +0300 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote: > wje@acm.org (Bill Evans): > > > But I like to work (metaphorically speaking) on an old Harley where > > everything could be adjusted with a wrench and a screwdriver, without > > all this modern frippery. > > That really hasn't been true for Linux for more than a decade. Numerous However it is still true for FreeBSD. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 09:06 -0700 |
| Subject | OT: Wayland (was: systemd) |
| Message-ID | <news.Sun.20151011.090601.PDT.657@mariposabill.com> |
| In reply to | #152671 |
Many thanks to those who gave me new perspectives on systemd. This has become an occasion to think on other Linux things. I look on the approach of Wayland. One of the touted advantages of Wayland over X is that it doesn't have that clunky window tree (where everything, down to the last window frame and button, is/has a window). But I've written code, used regularly, that wants to see that window tree and traipse through it. If Wayland isn't using that window tree, are the fine producers of Wayland going to go to the trouble of putting that bug/feature into the X compatibility layer? If not, this makes my journey from Linux to FreeBSD not only a migration to the promised land, but also a forced flight from Egypt. -- Bill Evans / Box 1224 / Mariposa, CA 95338 / (209)742-4720 Mail-To: wje@acm.org -- PGP encrypted mail preferred. -- pgpkey.mariposabill.com for public key. Key #: 8D8B521B PGPprint: 0A9C 3545 8FFF 7501 6265 1519 40FF 76F9 8D8B 521B
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 13:31 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <mve6a8$j8c$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152686 |
wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: > Many thanks to those who gave me new perspectives on > systemd. This has become an occasion to think on other > Linux things. > > I look on the approach of Wayland. One of the touted > advantages of Wayland over X is that it doesn't have that > clunky window tree (where everything, down to the last > window frame and button, is/has a window). But I've written > code, used regularly, that wants to see that window tree and > traipse through it. If Wayland isn't using that window > tree, are the fine producers of Wayland going to go to the > trouble of putting that bug/feature into the X compatibility > layer? If not, this makes my journey from Linux to FreeBSD > not only a migration to the promised land, but also a forced > flight from Egypt. I'm in the pro-systemd, anti-wayland camp. I've watched that video by one of the Wayland developers and along with the "it's old", "it's too big" boiler plate, the only thing I got for a Wayland advantage is "no tearing". I wonder who is experiencing this "tearing" issue. I haven't seen anything on the screen that doesn't belong there since I started using SunOs4. (Except for color map flashing for Sun video card 8 bit color,) For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window support. I won't need that after I retire some time this spring. So, maybe I won't care, but I think it's a mistake to drop something so useful in a commercial environment. -- Dan Espen
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| From | wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 10:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <news.Sun.20151011.103659.PDT.658@mariposabill.com> |
| In reply to | #152690 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window > support. Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the host I just telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. I was afraid of that, but assumed that they'd surely, surely fix it. > I won't need that after I retire some time this spring. > So, maybe I won't care I'm approaching these questions purely as a (now retired) hobbyist. I find it relaxing to do exactly what I want with my systems (wrench and screwdriver and all), at my own pace, with my own priorities. I do other things, but this takes much of my mental juice. My best friend from work, on the other hand, spends his time gardening, hiking in the Sierra with his wife, and cooking. No computer use except as an ordinary consumer. Congratulations on your impending retirement. May you choose a fun and enriching path. -- Bill Evans / Box 1224 / Mariposa, CA 95338 / (209)742-4720 Mail-To: wje@acm.org -- PGP encrypted mail preferred. -- pgpkey.mariposabill.com for public key. Key #: 8D8B521B PGPprint: 0A9C 3545 8FFF 7501 6265 1519 40FF 76F9 8D8B 521B
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 14:15 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <mve8re$vai$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152692 |
wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window >> support. > > Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the > host I just telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. > I was afraid of that, but assumed that they'd surely, surely > fix it. They seem to think remote desktop is an adequate substitute. Talk about mimicking Windows. >> I won't need that after I retire some time this spring. >> So, maybe I won't care > > I'm approaching these questions purely as a (now retired) > hobbyist. I find it relaxing to do exactly what I want with > my systems (wrench and screwdriver and all), at my own pace, > with my own priorities. I do other things, but this takes > much of my mental juice. > > My best friend from work, on the other hand, spends his time > gardening, hiking in the Sierra with his wife, and cooking. > No computer use except as an ordinary consumer. > > Congratulations on your impending retirement. May you > choose a fun and enriching path. Thanks. I anticipate the change with a lot of mixed feelings. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 19:53 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <87pp0lt3tv.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #152694 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: > >> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window >>> support. >> >> Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the >> host I just telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. >> I was afraid of that, but assumed that they'd surely, surely >> fix it. > > They seem to think remote desktop is an adequate substitute. > Talk about mimicking Windows. Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at all? Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 02:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <20151012024522.72f72151@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #152709 |
On 11 Oct 2015 19:53:16 -0300 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > > > wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: > > > >> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >>> For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window > >>> support. > >> > >> Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the > >> host I just telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. > >> I was afraid of that, but assumed that they'd surely, surely > >> fix it. > > > > They seem to think remote desktop is an adequate substitute. > > Talk about mimicking Windows. > > Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work > with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at > all? > > Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to > support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not > Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? > Wayland supports X so I guess all X applications will work remotely as they do usually. Wayland is not to replace X or obsolete it in any way. Wayland is for desktop users which want better desktop experience. Of course it is not yet ready, and I can't use it as there is no proper free driver support for my graphic card yet, but then again, why not try it when things get ready. All in all all X applications will work as usual. I guess that some time would need for people to ship Wayland bundled apps as well.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-11 22:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <mvf6k5$pbv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152713 |
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes: > On 11 Oct 2015 19:53:16 -0300 > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >> >> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: >> >> > wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes: >> > >> >> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window >> >>> support. >> >> >> >> Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the >> >> host I just telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. >> >> I was afraid of that, but assumed that they'd surely, surely >> >> fix it. >> > >> > They seem to think remote desktop is an adequate substitute. >> > Talk about mimicking Windows. >> >> Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work >> with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at >> all? >> >> Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to >> support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not >> Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? >> > > Wayland supports X so I guess all X applications will work remotely as > they do usually. Nope. From the FAQ: Wayland provides a solution here, in that it can host several X servers as they push their root window to Wayland as surfaces. Wayland hosts X Servers, not X applications. > Wayland is not to replace X or obsolete it in any way. Wayland is for > desktop users which want better desktop experience. Wow, great marketing speak. What exactly is a "better desktop experience"? My desktop experience is perfect right now. (I have no complaints.) I'm doubtful about this "better experience" thing. > Of course it is not yet ready, and I can't use it as there is no proper > free driver support for my graphic card yet, but then again, why not > try it when things get ready. All in all all X applications will work > as usual. I guess that some time would need for people to ship Wayland > bundled apps as well. X applications will not work as usual and remote X applications will only work at the remote desktop level. Wayland will show a whole remote screen, but not just the window from an application. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 02:58 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <87lhb8typf.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #152717 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >> Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work >> with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at >> all? >> >> Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to >> support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not >> Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? > > X applications will not work as usual and remote X applications will > only work at the remote desktop level. Wayland will show a whole > remote screen, but not just the window from an application. Doesn't sound promising. I don't do remote X very often but I like the oresent setup on localhost. But then I'm so old that by the time Wayland goes mainstream I may not care any more. :-o Already I'm having to jigger and hack in Slackware 14 to keep X looking the way I like it. Recent versions of xterm and firefox apparently have built icon graphics so twm renders these huge, real estate-sucking icons instead of the simple little ones that twm would otherwise create. (If there's an easy way to defeat that short of modifying the source, I didn't get the memo.) -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 08:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <20151012083411.78a442edf7ed071597a095b5@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #152724 |
On 12 Oct 2015 02:58:36 -0300 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > > > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > > > >> Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work > >> with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at > >> all? > >> > >> Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to > >> support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not > >> Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? > > > > X applications will not work as usual and remote X applications will > > only work at the remote desktop level. Wayland will show a whole > > remote screen, but not just the window from an application. > > Doesn't sound promising. I don't do remote X very often but I like > the oresent setup on localhost. But then I'm so old that by the time > Wayland goes mainstream I may not care any more. :-o I sincerely doubt that Wayland going mainstream will mean the end of X. I expect that even in distros shipping with Wayland and without X it will be possible to build and install an X server and use it instead of Wayland if you so desire (I likely will). The trouble will come when there are useful applications that only run under Wayland. Still a VM should be able to confine Wayland to a window served by X if so desired. Likely though most useful applications will sit on top of toolkits that happily run on X, Wayland, Windows and MacOS. Choice is good. no reason why Wayland and X shouldn't coexist. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-12 08:28 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <mvg8u7$rub$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #152724 |
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > >> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: >> >>> Um, yeah, so what if you don't *use* a "desktop"? How does that work >>> with twm? Or how, then, do you get the bare bones simplicity of twm at >>> all? >>> >>> Don't want a "desktop", don't want all the gigs of stuff required to >>> support one, don't care about drag & drop or all the other chrome (not >>> Chrome :-). Where is Wayland going with plain and simple? >> >> X applications will not work as usual and remote X applications will >> only work at the remote desktop level. Wayland will show a whole >> remote screen, but not just the window from an application. > > Doesn't sound promising. I don't do remote X very often but I like > the oresent setup on localhost. But then I'm so old that by the time > Wayland goes mainstream I may not care any more. :-o > > Already I'm having to jigger and hack in Slackware 14 to keep X > looking the way I like it. Recent versions of xterm and firefox > apparently have built icon graphics so twm renders these huge, real > estate-sucking icons instead of the simple little ones that twm would > otherwise create. (If there's an easy way to defeat that short of > modifying the source, I didn't get the memo.) Don't know about twm, but Fvwm has options that override the application supplied icon. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2015-10-13 00:58 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <87io6bxvum.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #152728 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes: > >> Recent versions of xterm and firefox apparently have built icon >> graphics so twm renders these huge, real estate-sucking icons >> instead of the simple little ones that twm would otherwise >> create. (If there's an easy way to defeat that short of modifying >> the source, I didn't get the memo.) > > Don't know about twm, but Fvwm has options that override the > application supplied icon. Thanks, noted. Should I eventually be dragged kicking and biting into a newer wm, good to know. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-10-13 13:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <Kz7Tx.16675$p53.11273@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #152767 |
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>
>Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>
>>> Recent versions of xterm and firefox apparently have built icon
>>> graphics so twm renders these huge, real estate-sucking icons
>>> instead of the simple little ones that twm would otherwise
>>> create. (If there's an easy way to defeat that short of modifying
>>> the source, I didn't get the memo.)
>>
>> Don't know about twm, but Fvwm has options that override the
>> application supplied icon.
I still use TWM. I don't see the "huge, real-estate sucking icons",
but I use the Icon manager which simply keeps a list of windows on the left
side of the screen.
.twmrc:
BorderWidth 2
TitleFont "6x13"
MenuFont "6x13"
IconFont "6x13"
ResizeFont "fg-22"
Zoom 8
RandomPlacement
DecorateTransients
DontMoveOff
SortIconManager
ShowIconManager
IconManagerGeometry "=103x272+0+200"
# IconManagerFont "variable"
IconManagerFont "6x13bold"
IconManagerDontShow
{
"xbiff"
"xclock"
"xeyes"
"xlogout"
"xpostit"
"oclock"
"XPostit"
"postItNote"
"Xpostit"
"xcal"
# "xcmdmenu"
}
...
scott
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2015-10-13 14:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <slrnn1q41j.301s.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #152793 |
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:21:46 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes: >> >>Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: >> >>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes: >>> >>>> Recent versions of xterm and firefox apparently have built icon >>>> graphics so twm renders these huge, real estate-sucking icons >>>> instead of the simple little ones that twm would otherwise >>>> create. (If there's an easy way to defeat that short of modifying >>>> the source, I didn't get the memo.) >>> >>> Don't know about twm, but Fvwm has options that override the >>> application supplied icon. > > I still use TWM. I don't see the "huge, real-estate sucking icons", > but I use the Icon manager which simply keeps a list of windows on the left > side of the screen. I use xfce and I have just 4 icons on the *bottom right* side of the screen - long-time Mac user :-) Top to bottom: Apps (a folder where all my main apps live) File System Home Trash Rest of the screen below the toolbar is blank with a big picture of Bender... -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-13 16:55 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Wayland |
| Message-ID | <20151013165505.8e02f1f8e1716c3a09812f4c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #152796 |
On 13 Oct 2015 14:07:48 GMT Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote: > I use xfce and I have just 4 icons on the *bottom right* side of the > screen - long-time Mac user :-) I use flwm - icons what icons ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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