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Re: OT: Wayland

From Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers, comp.misc
Subject Re: OT: Wayland
Date 2015-10-11 21:46 +0000
Organization My Linux Box
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In comp.misc Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
> wje@acm.org (Bill Evans):

> > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> For me, the Wayland deal breaker is lack of remote single window
> >> support.
> >
> > Oof. You mean no /etc/X0.hosts? No setting DISPLAY to the host I just
> > telnetted in from? That would cramp my style. I was afraid of that,
> > but assumed that they'd surely, surely fix it.

> Nothing prevents you from creating a graphics server (X11 or some other)
> on top of Wayland.

> The X Protocol is too low-level to work efficiently over the network.

The X Protocol was explicitly designed to work over a network.  And as
it was designed in the days of 10mbps ethernet, network efficiency was
baked in[1].  That's why it has a lot of low level drawable primitives
(that are seldom used by many of todays newer X client programs).  It
was much more efficient to send a command to draw a triangle at x1,y1
x2,y2 x3,y3 with fill pattern X and line size Q than to ship the bits
that make up the image over the wire.

In the beginning, it was always used over a network link.  It is only a
recent occurrence (well, recent in the context of the age of X, 20 some
years is not 'recent' to many) where the server and client are both
running on the same CPU and the X protocol is actually being
transmitted over the local loopback interface.

X's network centered design is why the terms client and server are
reversed in X lingo from what has come to be known as 'client' and
'server'.  In X, the 'server' is the component that displays bitmaps to
the user, and which has attached the screen, mouse, and keyboard.  The
'clients' all run remotely elsewhere and simply communicate to the
server via the X protocol.


[1] X Window System Network Performance 
    http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/usenix2003/html/net.html

    <quote>X Protocol Encoding

           The X protocol was originally designed to run efficiently
           over the campus area networks available in the late 1980's,
           which ran at 10Mb/second. As modem performance improved in
           the early 1990's it became almost feasible to run X
           applications over dial-up links.
   <endquote>

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                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-04 18:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-03 15:41 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-09 00:39 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-08 20:56 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-24 13:02 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-25 12:59 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-09 10:12 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-10 08:35 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:26 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:27 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-09-15 18:28 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-09 14:40 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-09 07:02 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-09 15:41 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-09 17:59 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-10 11:17 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-30 16:42 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 14:56 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:25 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 13:48 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:51 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 16:04 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-31 19:12 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 13:42 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 18:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-09-28 12:21 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-29 12:32 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-09-30 15:34 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-01 01:38 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hankvc@blackhole.lostwells.org (Hank) - 2015-10-01 16:27 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:21 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-02 03:34 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 07:32 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-10-02 13:46 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-02 13:09 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-06 19:44 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 20:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 21:00 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 12:15 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-31 20:31 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-31 19:41 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:04 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-01 15:38 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:13 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 00:17 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:10 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 08:05 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-26 21:21 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:42 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-27 08:59 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-27 10:02 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:49 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:15 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 15:35 -0500
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-24 23:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 09:43 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 06:55 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 17:19 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 09:10 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 19:23 +1000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-25 11:26 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 04:43 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:22 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:39 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:18 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-31 20:38 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:35 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-25 15:37 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 07:36 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 17:32 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-24 16:52 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-25 10:16 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-26 04:03 +0000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-24 12:22 -0700
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 08:41 +1000
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-23 18:47 +0000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 15:16 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:18 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 17:31 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:55 +0200
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:53 +1000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:18 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 10:28 +0200
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-24 12:40 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 13:18 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-23 22:39 +0100
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-24 09:16 +0000
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-24 10:34 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:58 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-08-24 13:04 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 14:09 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 14:52 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-24 19:29 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-08-24 15:32 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-25 07:16 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 18:38 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 19:26 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 08:46 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 21:50 +0200
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 13:28 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 10:25 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-09 18:07 +0300
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 11:24 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 10:55 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 12:18 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-09 20:49 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:42 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:45 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-09 17:32 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 19:32 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-09 15:36 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-10 16:21 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-09 17:51 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 22:51 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-09 22:55 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-10 04:27 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 09:57 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:09 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 13:57 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:05 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 00:30 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 09:01 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 03:38 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 11:22 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:13 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:24 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:33 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 20:20 +0300
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:22 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:39 +0100
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:23 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:56 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:18 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 12:24 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 00:06 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-12 07:17 +0000
                OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities)     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 10:44 -0700
                Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 15:29 -0400
                Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-10 22:31 +0300
                Re: OT: systemd Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-11 09:41 +0100
                OT: Wayland (was: systemd)     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 09:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:31 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-11 10:36 -0700
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 14:15 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-11 19:53 -0300
                Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 02:45 +0200
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 22:43 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-12 02:58 -0300
                Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-12 08:34 +0100
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:28 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 00:58 -0300
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:21 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-13 14:07 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-13 16:55 +0100
                Re: OT: Wayland Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 13:24 -0300
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 17:43 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 16:09 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 13:07 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:20 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:26 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:41 +0200
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:50 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 10:47 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 12:59 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-14 14:45 +0100
                Re: OT: Wayland scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:32 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:05 +0100
                Re: OT: Wayland Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 08:31 -0400
                Re: OT: Wayland Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-12 13:38 +0100
                Re: OT: Wayland Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-12 18:15 +0200
                Re: OT: Wayland Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 05:24 +0000
                Re: OT: Wayland Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:19 +0300
                Re: OT: Wayland Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-11 21:46 +0000
                Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 13:24 -0400
                Re: OT: systemd Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-10-12 00:25 +0300
                Re: OT: systemd Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 18:37 -0400
                Re: OT: systemd (was: [Poll] Computing favorities) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-10 19:38 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:08 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-10-11 17:31 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-10 11:23 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-10-10 17:34 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-10-10 19:28 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-11 07:12 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 19:45 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-10 07:12 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-10 00:39 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-10 10:11 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:21 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:55 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 04:45 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "John E. Davis" <jed@jedsoft.org> - 2015-10-12 17:53 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:01 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-10 23:57 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:03 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 15:46 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:30 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 18:15 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:57 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-09 20:15 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-09 20:52 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:07 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 13:15 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-08 13:06 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:29 -0400
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 12:44 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 15:37 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-08 19:19 -0700
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-09 06:26 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:40 -0500
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:14 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:46 -0500
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 07:29 -0400
              Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 13:20 +0000
                Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-24 12:10 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:06 +0100
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:02 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-23 23:35 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-10-07 12:19 -0400
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospan@nspam.invalid> - 2015-08-23 15:27 -0400
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-24 01:17 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:10 +1000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:28 -0500
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-24 16:27 -0500
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 05:48 +1000
          Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-23 21:32 +0000
            Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:57 +1000
        Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-24 00:00 +0100
      Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-23 21:18 +0000
  Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 11:31 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 12:08 -0700
    Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:22 -0700

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