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  FireFox password management Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-01-16 16:51 -0800
    Re: FireFox password management Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-16 20:37 -0500
      Re: FireFox password management Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-01-16 22:10 -0800
        Re: FireFox password management Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-17 06:54 -0500
          Re: FireFox password management Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-01-18 20:56 -0800
            Re: FireFox password management Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-19 00:12 -0500
              Re: FireFox password management Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-19 03:12 -0500
                FireFox password management 2 Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-01-28 21:31 -0800
                  Re: FireFox password management 2 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-29 08:40 -0500
                    Re: FireFox password management 2 Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-01-30 09:26 +0000
                      Re: FireFox password management 2 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-01-30 09:16 -0500
                        Re: FireFox password management 2 Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2022-02-02 05:26 -0800

#12213 — FireFox password management

   See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
   Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
prog name, user name, password.
   So, how in the heck can do any password management?

    Thanks.

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#12216

On 1/16/2022 7:51 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
>    See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
>    Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
> prog name, user name, password.
>    So, how in the heck can do any password management?
> 
>     Thanks.

Do you mean, instructions like this ?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#firefox:win7:fx96

They include mention of means to disable the feature.
Make sure those disabling controls are not messing with you.

It says that using "Private Browsing Mode" continuously, disabled
the feature. The purpose of Private Browsing is not to leave
any trace of your activity, and that includes recording
passwords to porno sites. That's why they disable it.

The article also says:

    about:logins

should open the password management page. But you can
have items stored in there, and if the feature and those
tick boxes depicted on the instruction page are not
ticked, then it won't do anything.

There's really a lot of helpful hints there.

    Paul

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#12218

Paul wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 7:51 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>    See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
>>    Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
>> prog name, user name, password.
>>    So, how in the heck can do any password management?
>>
>>     Thanks.
> 
> Do you mean, instructions like this ?
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#firefox:win7:fx96 
* yes, that is one; the select that first one "Make Firefox remember 
usernames and passwords". Scroll down to "Click the menu Fx57Menu button 
and select Passwords" [[results of cut and paste]].
   See my comment below.

> 
> 
> They include mention of means to disable the feature.
> Make sure those disabling controls are not messing with you.
> 
> It says that using "Private Browsing Mode" continuously, disabled
> the feature. The purpose of Private Browsing is not to leave
> any trace of your activity, and that includes recording
> passwords to porno sites. That's why they disable it.
> 
> The article also says:
> 
>     about:logins
* They say to manage passwords, click on the triple bar icon, then click 
on/select passwords and then one will get about:passwords.
   Well, one no longer gets that list of passwords
> 
> should open the password management page. But you can
> have items stored in there, and if the feature and those
> tick boxes depicted on the instruction page are not
> ticked, then it won't do anything.
> 
> There's really a lot of helpful hints there.
* hints that no longer work.

> 
>     Paul

    Thanks.

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#12220

On 1/17/2022 1:10 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/16/2022 7:51 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>>    See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
>>>    Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
>>> prog name, user name, password.
>>>    So, how in the heck can do any password management?
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>
>> Do you mean, instructions like this ?
>>
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#firefox:win7:fx96 
> * yes, that is one; the select that first one "Make Firefox remember usernames and passwords". Scroll down to "Click the menu Fx57Menu button and select Passwords" [[results of cut and paste]].
>    See my comment below.
> 
>>
>>
>> They include mention of means to disable the feature.
>> Make sure those disabling controls are not messing with you.
>>
>> It says that using "Private Browsing Mode" continuously, disabled
>> the feature. The purpose of Private Browsing is not to leave
>> any trace of your activity, and that includes recording
>> passwords to porno sites. That's why they disable it.
>>
>> The article also says:
>>
>>     about:logins
> * They say to manage passwords, click on the triple bar icon, then click on/select passwords and then one will get about:passwords.
>    Well, one no longer gets that list of passwords
>>
>> should open the password management page. But you can
>> have items stored in there, and if the feature and those
>> tick boxes depicted on the instruction page are not
>> ticked, then it won't do anything.
>>
>> There's really a lot of helpful hints there.
> * hints that no longer work.
> 
>>
>>     Paul
> 
>     Thanks.

Works here.

How I tested:

    Ubuntu Server, gnome-desktop, apache2, VirtualBox session, screenshots

Results:

    [Picture]  If empty picture frame shows, right click and "Reload image"

    https://i.postimg.cc/PJZFnYmD/FF96-saves-my-password.gif

   Paul

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#12223

Paul wrote:
> On 1/17/2022 1:10 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2022 7:51 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>>>    See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
>>>>    Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
>>>> prog name, user name, password.
>>>>    So, how in the heck can do any password management?
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>> Do you mean, instructions like this ?
>>>
>>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#firefox:win7:fx96 
>>
>> * yes, that is one; the select that first one "Make Firefox remember 
>> usernames and passwords". Scroll down to "Click the menu Fx57Menu 
>> button and select Passwords" [[results of cut and paste]].
>>    See my comment below.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They include mention of means to disable the feature.
>>> Make sure those disabling controls are not messing with you.
>>>
>>> It says that using "Private Browsing Mode" continuously, disabled
>>> the feature. The purpose of Private Browsing is not to leave
>>> any trace of your activity, and that includes recording
>>> passwords to porno sites. That's why they disable it.
>>>
>>> The article also says:
>>>
>>>     about:logins
>> * They say to manage passwords, click on the triple bar icon, then 
>> click on/select passwords and then one will get about:passwords.
>>    Well, one no longer gets that list of passwords
>>>
>>> should open the password management page. But you can
>>> have items stored in there, and if the feature and those
>>> tick boxes depicted on the instruction page are not
>>> ticked, then it won't do anything.
>>>
>>> There's really a lot of helpful hints there.
>> * hints that no longer work.
>>
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>>     Thanks.
> 
> Works here.
> 
> How I tested:
> 
>     Ubuntu Server, gnome-desktop, apache2, VirtualBox session, screenshots
> 
> Results:
> 
>     [Picture]  If empty picture frame shows, right click and "Reload image"
> 
>     https://i.postimg.cc/PJZFnYmD/FF96-saves-my-password.gif
> 
>    Paul
   Maybe because Linux is involved?

   Thanks.

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#12224

On 1/18/2022 11:56 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/17/2022 1:10 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2022 7:51 PM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>>>>    See no way to do that in FF 96.0.
>>>>>    Follow Mozilla instructions and do NOT get the expected list of
>>>>> prog name, user name, password.
>>>>>    So, how in the heck can do any password management?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean, instructions like this ?
>>>>
>>>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins#firefox:win7:fx96 
>>>
>>> * yes, that is one; the select that first one "Make Firefox remember usernames and passwords". Scroll down to "Click the menu Fx57Menu button and select Passwords" [[results of cut and paste]].
>>>    See my comment below.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They include mention of means to disable the feature.
>>>> Make sure those disabling controls are not messing with you.
>>>>
>>>> It says that using "Private Browsing Mode" continuously, disabled
>>>> the feature. The purpose of Private Browsing is not to leave
>>>> any trace of your activity, and that includes recording
>>>> passwords to porno sites. That's why they disable it.
>>>>
>>>> The article also says:
>>>>
>>>>     about:logins
>>> * They say to manage passwords, click on the triple bar icon, then click on/select passwords and then one will get about:passwords.
>>>    Well, one no longer gets that list of passwords
>>>>
>>>> should open the password management page. But you can
>>>> have items stored in there, and if the feature and those
>>>> tick boxes depicted on the instruction page are not
>>>> ticked, then it won't do anything.
>>>>
>>>> There's really a lot of helpful hints there.
>>> * hints that no longer work.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>
>> Works here.
>>
>> How I tested:
>>
>>     Ubuntu Server, gnome-desktop, apache2, VirtualBox session, screenshots
>>
>> Results:
>>
>>     [Picture]  If empty picture frame shows, right click and "Reload image"
>>
>>     https://i.postimg.cc/PJZFnYmD/FF96-saves-my-password.gif
>>
>>    Paul
>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
> 
>    Thanks.

The password container should work the same on both versions.

FOSS software tries to work on cross-platform subsystems.
For example, OpenGL is common to both Windows and Linux,
whereas DirectX3D is not.

While some browsers rely on the Windows SChannel, Firefox might
be one of the browsers that brings its own crypto support to even
out the difference in subsystems between platforms.

The developers *hate* coding if/then/else for umpteen different
OSes, and as much as they can they try to use code that works
anywhere.

AFAIK, there are a couple cross-platform packaging environments.
One of them would be Qt, such as Qt4 or Qt5. This allows multiplatform
support for thir-party programs. You can write for Linux and it runs on
Windows, and the Qt support files make up the difference. The impact
of that is, instead of a program being a 0.5MB download, it's around
a 100MB download. Just the internationalization code might be a 20MB
DLL.

I tested on Linux, because in Windows Features, it was not apparent
that a copy of IIS web server was present, so I just decided to do
the whole experiment in a Linux VM instead. As Apache was available
there, and it produces the Apache test page as soon as you install it.
Then, all I have to do is turn on password authentication, to get
a password storage response from Firefox. That's why I did it that way.

I think I can run two VMs, and load FF96 into a Windows OS there, but I really
don't see a reason the response will be different. Linux could have
a firewall loaded, and to get the http://127.0.0.1:80 web server to
respond on the Linux VM, I might need to check that the firewall is
not blocking it.

So when you run your FF96, do you see the same sorts of
prompts I'm seeing in the picture ?

The files in the profile, the version of those changes from
release to release. The migration logic should drag the materials
from the old version to the new version. I don't know if the FF logic
is clever enough to delete the junk once that is done. This involves
a numbered file, like a "cert8" or the like. They put a number after
some of the files, as a means to demonstrate which API they follow.
If you lost your passwords, that might be an explanation. But as far
as eliciting a response (the "Save this password" dialog), that
should follow the Preferences tick boxes.

    Paul

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#12227

On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM

>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>
>>    Thanks.

The same test results in a Win10 VM.

    [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" to see picture

    https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif

   Paul

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#12232 — FireFox password management 2

Paul wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM
> 
>>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>>
>>>    Thanks.
> 
> The same test results in a Win10 VM.
> 
>     [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" to 
> see picture
> 
>     https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif
> 
>    Paul
   FireFox 96.0 in Win7.1 does not save passwords, and for some sites 
does not even save user names.
   It also seems that the online "help" avoids that fact.

   So, how far back does one need to go (ie: what version) to get a 
FireFox that does work properly?

    Thanks.

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#12233 — Re: FireFox password management 2

On 1/29/2022 12:31 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM
>>
>>>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>>>
>>>>    Thanks.
>>
>> The same test results in a Win10 VM.
>>
>>     [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" to see picture
>>
>>     https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif
>>
>>    Paul
>    FireFox 96.0 in Win7.1 does not save passwords, and for some sites does not even save user names.
>    It also seems that the online "help" avoids that fact.
> 
>    So, how far back does one need to go (ie: what version) to get a FireFox that does work properly?
> 
>     Thanks.

In your view, how would the OS influence the outcome
of an event which is private to the software (Firefox) ?
The passwords don't pass through the OS. The SChannel is
occasionally used for crypto, but if it were used (which it
probably isn't), it would only be used for datapath (https
transmission). The password level is too far removed
from the OS, for the OS to be the issue. If the passwords
were "coming from User Accounts", again it would be a different
matter, but the passwords have nothing to do with User Accounts
in the OS.

The only thing I can suggest, is a disagreement about
the file contents of the Profile folder that Firefox is
currently using.

Profiles are "migrated", each time that Firefox is upgraded.
This includes (very occasionally) adding a new database
file for things like passwords. Any time the API changes,
the version number at the end of the filename changes.
Like "cert8" or similar. The files used consist of a name
with a number on the end, and the number is a hint as to
which API level it is at.

You also claim a level of inconsistency, almost as if the
password file is corrupted somehow.

I would create a new profile, and retest.

Firefox has a Profile Manager. Create a new profile and retest.
Switch back to your old profile, to access your Bookmarks.
You can Export Bookmarks and Import them, if you need some
information preservation.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles

    Paul

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#12234 — Re: FireFox password management 2

Paul wrote:
> On 1/29/2022 12:31 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM
>>>
>>>>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>>>>
>>>>>    Thanks.
>>>
>>> The same test results in a Win10 VM.
>>>
>>>     [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" to 
>>> see picture
>>>
>>>     https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif
>>>
>>>    Paul
>>    FireFox 96.0 in Win7.1 does not save passwords, and for some sites 
>> does not even save user names.
>>    It also seems that the online "help" avoids that fact.
>>
>>    So, how far back does one need to go (ie: what version) to get a 
>> FireFox that does work properly?
>>
>>     Thanks.
> 
> In your view, how would the OS influence the outcome
> of an event which is private to the software (Firefox) ?
> The passwords don't pass through the OS. The SChannel is
> occasionally used for crypto, but if it were used (which it
> probably isn't), it would only be used for datapath (https
> transmission). The password level is too far removed
> from the OS, for the OS to be the issue. If the passwords
> were "coming from User Accounts", again it would be a different
> matter, but the passwords have nothing to do with User Accounts
> in the OS.
> 
> The only thing I can suggest, is a disagreement about
> the file contents of the Profile folder that Firefox is
> currently using.
> 
> Profiles are "migrated", each time that Firefox is upgraded.
> This includes (very occasionally) adding a new database
> file for things like passwords. Any time the API changes,
> the version number at the end of the filename changes.
> Like "cert8" or similar. The files used consist of a name
> with a number on the end, and the number is a hint as to
> which API level it is at.
> 
> You also claim a level of inconsistency, almost as if the
> password file is corrupted somehow.
> 
> I would create a new profile, and retest.
> 
> Firefox has a Profile Manager. Create a new profile and retest.
> Switch back to your old profile, to access your Bookmarks.
> You can Export Bookmarks and Import them, if you need some
> information preservation.
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles 
> 
> 
>     Paul
   Well, in essence, nothing works.
   Tried it all (restart, refresh, profile).
   Installed FireFox 80. Same problems.

   Now get:
** COPY **
Secure Connection Failed
** END COPY **
   for almost every URL that used to work.
   For one site, i get there and try to login, and get:
** COPY **
Access Denied

You are unauthorized to access this resource.

Reference ID is: d14b2c2729
** END COPY **

   In fact, a URL that worked an hour ago now gives me the URL message.

   This funnybusiness is a bunch of crap.

   Is my Win7.1 getting corrupted?

    Thanks.
	
   Now

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#12235 — Re: FireFox password management 2

On 1/30/2022 4:26 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On 1/29/2022 12:31 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM
>>>>
>>>>>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> The same test results in a Win10 VM.
>>>>
>>>>     [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" to see picture
>>>>
>>>>     https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif
>>>>
>>>>    Paul
>>>    FireFox 96.0 in Win7.1 does not save passwords, and for some sites does not even save user names.
>>>    It also seems that the online "help" avoids that fact.
>>>
>>>    So, how far back does one need to go (ie: what version) to get a FireFox that does work properly?
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>
>> In your view, how would the OS influence the outcome
>> of an event which is private to the software (Firefox) ?
>> The passwords don't pass through the OS. The SChannel is
>> occasionally used for crypto, but if it were used (which it
>> probably isn't), it would only be used for datapath (https
>> transmission). The password level is too far removed
>> from the OS, for the OS to be the issue. If the passwords
>> were "coming from User Accounts", again it would be a different
>> matter, but the passwords have nothing to do with User Accounts
>> in the OS.
>>
>> The only thing I can suggest, is a disagreement about
>> the file contents of the Profile folder that Firefox is
>> currently using.
>>
>> Profiles are "migrated", each time that Firefox is upgraded.
>> This includes (very occasionally) adding a new database
>> file for things like passwords. Any time the API changes,
>> the version number at the end of the filename changes.
>> Like "cert8" or similar. The files used consist of a name
>> with a number on the end, and the number is a hint as to
>> which API level it is at.
>>
>> You also claim a level of inconsistency, almost as if the
>> password file is corrupted somehow.
>>
>> I would create a new profile, and retest.
>>
>> Firefox has a Profile Manager. Create a new profile and retest.
>> Switch back to your old profile, to access your Bookmarks.
>> You can Export Bookmarks and Import them, if you need some
>> information preservation.
>>
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles
>>
>>     Paul
>    Well, in essence, nothing works.
>    Tried it all (restart, refresh, profile).
>    Installed FireFox 80. Same problems.
> 
>    Now get:
> ** COPY **
> Secure Connection Failed
> ** END COPY **
>    for almost every URL that used to work.
>    For one site, i get there and try to login, and get:
> ** COPY **
> Access Denied
> 
> You are unauthorized to access this resource.
> 
> Reference ID is: d14b2c2729
> ** END COPY **
> 
>    In fact, a URL that worked an hour ago now gives me the URL message.
> 
>    This funnybusiness is a bunch of crap.
> 
>    Is my Win7.1 getting corrupted?
> 
>     Thanks.
> 
>    Now

So you're having a LetsEncrypt certificate issue ?

What you describe is not a password issue.

You can't have passwords, without "Transport" first.
There has to be a "pipe" to pass the password to the host.

The https encrypted transport, would help protect the
password in flight. To otherwise set up a secure path
to pass a password, would be a duplication of effort.
Might as well set up the "good" transport first, then
pass the password.

You can't have https: transport, without crypto (CHACHA20),
TLS1.2, and a certificate that testifies the web site is
what it says it is.

This URL tests a browser. The design of this page has apparently
been stripped, so it's no longer as informative.

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html

To test a website:

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=walmart.com

Some browsers might use the platform certificates, but the
others use their own internal certificate stores.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/support-for-urgent-trusted-root-updates-for-windows-root-certificate-program-in-windows-a4ac4d6c-7c62-3b6e-dfd2-377982bf3ea5

Checking or repairing browser certificates manually, is no
fun at all.

When you open an https: page (or get redirected to an https:
page when you typed http: instead), look in the lower
right corner of the web page for the "lock symbol". If the
lock symbol is closed, then the transport is likely working.
If the lock symbol is open, you can always click on the
lock symbol and get details.

I'm no expert on this stuff. My browser breaks just
like your browser breaks, and is likely to stay broken
for days at a time. Finding a good recipe for repairs
can take a *lot* of searches.

HTH,
    Paul

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#12238 — Re: FireFox password management 2

Paul wrote:
> On 1/30/2022 4:26 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/29/2022 12:31 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 1/19/2022 12:12 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Maybe because Linux is involved?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same test results in a Win10 VM.
>>>>>
>>>>>     [Picture]  Right-click empty frame and select "Reload picture" 
>>>>> to see picture
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://i.postimg.cc/qRnm0S5m/Win10-FF96-Password-Save-Test.gif
>>>>>
>>>>>    Paul
>>>>    FireFox 96.0 in Win7.1 does not save passwords, and for some 
>>>> sites does not even save user names.
>>>>    It also seems that the online "help" avoids that fact.
>>>>
>>>>    So, how far back does one need to go (ie: what version) to get a 
>>>> FireFox that does work properly?
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>> In your view, how would the OS influence the outcome
>>> of an event which is private to the software (Firefox) ?
>>> The passwords don't pass through the OS. The SChannel is
>>> occasionally used for crypto, but if it were used (which it
>>> probably isn't), it would only be used for datapath (https
>>> transmission). The password level is too far removed
>>> from the OS, for the OS to be the issue. If the passwords
>>> were "coming from User Accounts", again it would be a different
>>> matter, but the passwords have nothing to do with User Accounts
>>> in the OS.
>>>
>>> The only thing I can suggest, is a disagreement about
>>> the file contents of the Profile folder that Firefox is
>>> currently using.
>>>
>>> Profiles are "migrated", each time that Firefox is upgraded.
>>> This includes (very occasionally) adding a new database
>>> file for things like passwords. Any time the API changes,
>>> the version number at the end of the filename changes.
>>> Like "cert8" or similar. The files used consist of a name
>>> with a number on the end, and the number is a hint as to
>>> which API level it is at.
>>>
>>> You also claim a level of inconsistency, almost as if the
>>> password file is corrupted somehow.
>>>
>>> I would create a new profile, and retest.
>>>
>>> Firefox has a Profile Manager. Create a new profile and retest.
>>> Switch back to your old profile, to access your Bookmarks.
>>> You can Export Bookmarks and Import them, if you need some
>>> information preservation.
>>>
>>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-remove-switch-firefox-profiles 
>>>
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>    Well, in essence, nothing works.
>>    Tried it all (restart, refresh, profile).
>>    Installed FireFox 80. Same problems.
>>
>>    Now get:
>> ** COPY **
>> Secure Connection Failed
>> ** END COPY **
>>    for almost every URL that used to work.
>>    For one site, i get there and try to login, and get:
>> ** COPY **
>> Access Denied
>>
>> You are unauthorized to access this resource.
>>
>> Reference ID is: d14b2c2729
>> ** END COPY **
>>
>>    In fact, a URL that worked an hour ago now gives me the URL message.
>>
>>    This funnybusiness is a bunch of crap.
>>
>>    Is my Win7.1 getting corrupted?
>>
>>     Thanks.
>>
>>    Now
> 
> So you're having a LetsEncrypt certificate issue ?
> 
> What you describe is not a password issue.
> 
> You can't have passwords, without "Transport" first.
> There has to be a "pipe" to pass the password to the host.
> 
> The https encrypted transport, would help protect the
> password in flight. To otherwise set up a secure path
> to pass a password, would be a duplication of effort.
> Might as well set up the "good" transport first, then
> pass the password.
> 
> You can't have https: transport, without crypto (CHACHA20),
> TLS1.2, and a certificate that testifies the web site is
> what it says it is.
> 
> This URL tests a browser. The design of this page has apparently
> been stripped, so it's no longer as informative.
> 
>     https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html
* Basically sez it is OK. So i did not go further, but i will keep this
posting and not delete it.

> 
> To test a website:
> 
>     https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=walmart.com
> 
> Some browsers might use the platform certificates, but the
> others use their own internal certificate stores.
> 
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/support-for-urgent-trusted-root-updates-for-windows-root-certificate-program-in-windows-a4ac4d6c-7c62-3b6e-dfd2-377982bf3ea5 
> 
> 
> Checking or repairing browser certificates manually, is no
> fun at all.
> 
> When you open an https: page (or get redirected to an https:
> page when you typed http: instead), look in the lower
> right corner of the web page for the "lock symbol". If the
> lock symbol is closed, then the transport is likely working.
> If the lock symbol is open, you can always click on the
> lock symbol and get details.
> 
> I'm no expert on this stuff. My browser breaks just
> like your browser breaks, and is likely to stay broken
> for days at a time. Finding a good recipe for repairs
> can take a *lot* of searches.
> 
> HTH,
>     Paul

*  Thanks!

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