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| First post | 2026-08-14 11:24 -0700 |
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Re: Software Engineering Reports Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 11:24 -0700
Re: Software Engineering Reports Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-15 03:42 +0800
Re: Software Engineering Reports Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 14:13 -0700
Re: Software Engineering Reports Dude <user2891@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-15 23:18 +0000
Re: Software Engineering Reports Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-22 07:40 +0800
Re: Software Engineering Reports Dude <punditster@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 19:13 -0700
Re: Software Engineering Reports Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 07:22 +0800
| From | Dude <punditster@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 11:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Software Engineering Reports |
| Message-ID | <115nmhu$2ooka$1@dont-email.me> |
On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: > On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >> Learn to code. Go? >> > > shut up dud > Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and send your son through college. You can do this Nick! "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, we now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths of code for us. But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in which the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the system architecture, design the boundaries between services, and ensure the overall safety and reliability of our production environments." In this paradigm, the things that matter most in our developer tools are shifting, too. From Writing to Reviewing: Why Go is an Ideal Language for AI-Assisted Software Engineering Cameron Balahan , AUG. 11, 2026 https://tinyurl.com/3yxkzn2h Note: While engineers write AI logic in Python, the underlying computations are almost always executed in C++.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 03:42 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <_cKfS.185924$xpxd.92487@fx14.ams4> |
| In reply to | #12403 |
On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: > On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: >> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >>> Learn to code. Go? >>> >> >> shut up dud >> > Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and send > your son through college. You can do this Nick! > > "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, > fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, we > now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths of code > for us. > > But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the > generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it to > do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in which > the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the system > architecture, design the boundaries between services, and ensure the > overall safety and reliability of our production environments." I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | Dude <punditster@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-14 14:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <115o0dj$2s465$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12404 |
On 8/14/2026 12:42 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: >> On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: >>> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >>>> Learn to code. Go? >>>> >>> >>> shut up dud >>> >> Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and >> send your son through college. You can do this Nick! >> >> "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, >> fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, we >> now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths of >> code for us. >> >> But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the >> generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it >> to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in >> which the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the >> system architecture, design the boundaries between services, and >> ensure the overall safety and reliability of our production >> environments." > > > I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? > We could use your skills around here! San Jose is located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the global center for technology and innovation. The city is home to some of the world’s most innovative companies, including Apple, Google, and Facebook.
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| From | Dude <user2891@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-15 23:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1786835938-2891@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #12405 |
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> posted: > On 8/14/2026 12:42 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > > On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: > >> On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: > >>> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: > >>>> Learn to code. Go? > >>>> > >>> > >>> shut up dud > >>> > >> Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and > >> send your son through college. You can do this Nick! > >> > >> "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, > >> fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, we > >> now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths of > >> code for us. > >> > >> But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the > >> generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it > >> to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in > >> which the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the > >> system architecture, design the boundaries between services, and > >> ensure the overall safety and reliability of our production > >> environments." > > > > > > I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? > > > We could use your skills around here! > > San Jose is located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the global center > for technology and innovation. The city is home to some of the world’s > most innovative companies, including Apple, Google, and Facebook. > The OpenAI talent exodus raises ‘huge red flag’ ahead of IPO AI Age, Fri, Aug 14 2026 https://tinyurl.com/2u7ynrcy The sudden departure of OpenAI revenue chief Denise Dresser this week came days after longtime exec Brad Lightcap said he was leaving. OpenAI’s C-suite instability is giving investors another reason for concern as the company makes moves toward a mammoth public listing. CFO Sarah Friar and President Greg Brockman are set to meet with OpenAI investors on Thursday, according to a person familiar with the matter. When OpenAI hired Denise Dresser from Slack to be its chief revenue officer in December, Fidji Simo, a top-ranking executive, said in a blog post that Dresser’s “experience will help us make AI useful, reliable, and accessible for businesses everywhere.” Four months later, Dresser took on added responsibilities when operating chief Brad Lightcap left that position for a new role focused on “special projects.”
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 07:40 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <_l5iS.361237$BAea.104751@fx01.ams4> |
| In reply to | #12405 |
On 15/08/2026 5:13 AM, Dude wrote: > On 8/14/2026 12:42 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: >>> On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>> Learn to code. Go? >>>>> >>>> >>>> shut up dud >>>> >>> Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and >>> send your son through college. You can do this Nick! >>> >>> "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, >>> fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, we >>> now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths of >>> code for us. >>> >>> But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the >>> generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it >>> to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in >>> which the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the >>> system architecture, design the boundaries between services, and >>> ensure the overall safety and reliability of our production >>> environments." >> >> >> I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? >> > We could use your skills around here! > > San Jose is located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the global center > for technology and innovation. The city is home to some of the world’s > most innovative companies, including Apple, Google, and Facebook. Dear Dude, I am currently in job negotiations with a company here in /South East Asia/, and will only consider relocation to /Silicon Valley/ if the negotiations fall apart. This is liable to take some time, as I am not in a hurry to find employment; plus the employer is not in a hurry to hire me. We are both taking our time. I'll be sure to let everyone here in comp.theory, alt.computer, alt.pc, and alt.buddha.short.fat.guy -- I don't know why he's interested in my employment status -- if I have to find something else. Best wishes, and happy not working for Apple, Google, and Facebook! -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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| From | Dude <punditster@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 19:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <116b0ka$38i7k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #12407 |
On 8/21/2026 4:40 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 15/08/2026 5:13 AM, Dude wrote: >> On 8/14/2026 12:42 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: >>>> On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>> Learn to code. Go? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> shut up dud >>>>> >>>> Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and >>>> send your son through college. You can do this Nick! >>>> >>>> "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, >>>> fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, >>>> we now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths >>>> of code for us. >>>> >>>> But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read the >>>> generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we want it >>>> to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater context in >>>> which the code it generates must operate, it is we who define the >>>> system architecture, design the boundaries between services, and >>>> ensure the overall safety and reliability of our production >>>> environments." >>> >>> >>> I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? >>> >> We could use your skills around here! >> >> San Jose is located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the global center >> for technology and innovation. The city is home to some of the world’s >> most innovative companies, including Apple, Google, and Facebook. > > Dear Dude, > > I am currently in job negotiations with a company here in /South East > Asia/, and will only consider relocation to /Silicon Valley/ if the > negotiations fall apart. This is liable to take some time, as I am > not in a hurry to find employment; plus the employer is not in a hurry > to hire me. We are both taking our time. > > I'll be sure to let everyone here in comp.theory, alt.computer, alt.pc, > and alt.buddha.short.fat.guy -- I don't know why he's interested in my > employment status -- if I have to find something else. > Do you have any software engineering reports? On this board there are at least four or five advanced software engineers moderating the Usenet system based on Linux coding along with Basic. As for me, I'm specialized in the Structured Query Language (SQL) on the Cray and later on the Dell Power Edge running Windows Server. FYI: The core Oracle Database engine is primarily written in C and C++. >> Best wishes, and happy not working for Apple, Google, and Facebook! > Thanks for responding! PS: As an alternative in future you might consider working at HP Inc. which is headquartered in Palo Alto, California. The main corporate office is located at 1501 Page Mill Road, right in the heart of Silicon Valley where the original company was founded in a garage in 1939. They make printers.
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| From | Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-24 07:22 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <_gLiS.347707$nUE4.252416@fx07.ams4> |
| In reply to | #12408 |
On 22/08/2026 10:13 AM, Dude wrote: > On 8/21/2026 4:40 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >> On 15/08/2026 5:13 AM, Dude wrote: >>> On 8/14/2026 12:42 PM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>> On 15/08/2026 2:24 AM, Dude wrote: >>>>> On 8/13/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/13/26 12:56 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>> Learn to code. Go? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> shut up dud >>>>>> >>>>> Learn to code. Get a job. Make money and save up to buy a home and >>>>> send your son through college. You can do this Nick! >>>>> >>>>> "For a while now, software engineering has undergone a profound, >>>>> fundamental shift: Where we once wrote most lines of code by hand, >>>>> we now ask AI coding assistants and agents to generate large swaths >>>>> of code for us. >>>>> >>>>> But AI needs supervision, so it is we, the humans, who must read >>>>> the generated code, clean it up, and verify that it does what we >>>>> want it to do. And because AI has a limited view of the greater >>>>> context in which the code it generates must operate, it is we who >>>>> define the system architecture, design the boundaries between >>>>> services, and ensure the overall safety and reliability of our >>>>> production environments." >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm old fashioned, and just type my code by hand. Why can't you? >>>> >>> We could use your skills around here! >>> >>> San Jose is located in the heart of Silicon Valley, the global center >>> for technology and innovation. The city is home to some of the >>> world’s most innovative companies, including Apple, Google, and >>> Facebook. >> >> Dear Dude, >> >> I am currently in job negotiations with a company here in /South East >> Asia/, and will only consider relocation to /Silicon Valley/ if the >> negotiations fall apart. This is liable to take some time, as I am >> not in a hurry to find employment; plus the employer is not in a hurry >> to hire me. We are both taking our time. >> >> I'll be sure to let everyone here in comp.theory, alt.computer, alt.pc, >> and alt.buddha.short.fat.guy -- I don't know why he's interested in my >> employment status -- if I have to find something else. >> > Do you have any software engineering reports? No, at the moment I don't. I don't even have an I.B.M. line printer to print out any reports, sales, software engineering, or otherwise. > > On this board there are at least four or five advanced software > engineers moderating the Usenet system based on Linux coding along with > Basic. I'm trying my best to stay away from Linux these years, though it's hard in terms of employment. Employers really want to use these Linux machines, so I just go with the flow. > > As for me, I'm specialized in the Structured Query Language (SQL) on the > Cray and later on the Dell Power Edge running Windows Server. I'm a generalist. I've submitted a proposal to the S.Q.L. committee -- but got rejected -- and been written a lot of inner database code in the form of PostgreSQL extensions. I believe there is some of it on my blog, but browsers tend to scream about no security, so I don't really try to get people to read it until I've fixed it. And I'm in no hurry. I used to maintain the PostgreSQL extension for running Java inside the database server. I'm not sure I'll touch that code again, but I make no promises to myself about that. Professionally, I've never touched Windows servers. Though I'm open to write code running on some. > > FYI: The core Oracle Database engine is primarily written in C and C++. I'm not that interested in Oracle's database. It's Postgres or SQLite for me, when I get to choose. Sometimes I'm willing to work on MariaDB. > >> Best wishes, and happy not working for Apple, Google, and Facebook! > > > Thanks for responding! > > PS: As an alternative in future you might consider working at HP Inc. > which is headquartered in Palo Alto, California. The main corporate > office is located at 1501 Page Mill Road, right in the heart of Silicon > Valley where the original company was founded in a garage in 1939. They > make printers. Well, I'll consider it, but since they don't do OpenVMS anymore, I hardly see the point of applying there. I mean, there are social considerations. You stop selling a really great operating system I like, so why should I apply to work for you? On that note, I probably totally blew it with Google. They tried to recruit me some thirteen years ago, and since I wasn't interested in any of their tech, the recruiter stopped talking to me. Have you been recruited by Google? -- Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/ I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
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