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  Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2017-05-14 11:51 +0200
    Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-05-14 16:16 +0000
      Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2017-05-14 21:19 +0200
        Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-05-14 22:17 +0000
          Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2017-05-15 00:42 +0200
            Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2017-05-15 03:00 +0000
              Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2017-05-15 06:25 +0200
                Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-21 13:26 -0500
                  Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-05-24 19:43 -0300
                  Re: Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> - 2017-05-25 11:47 +0200

#5883 — Bizarre behavior of a non-smart mobile phone

That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)

Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
though its battery is sufficiently loaded.

Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
explanations of the phenomena.

Remarks:

(1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
such manipulations, if these indeed happened.

(2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.

M. K. Shen

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http://mok-kong-shen.de

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#5884

You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
of SIM?

I would bet against hacking.


On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>
> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>
> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
> explanations of the phenomena.
>
> Remarks:
>
> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>
> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>
> M. K. Shen
>
> ----------------------------------------
> http://mok-kong-shen.de

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#5885

Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
> of SIM?
>
> I would bet against hacking.

Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) below
you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!

M. K. Shen

>
> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
>> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
>> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
>> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
>> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
>> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
>> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
>> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
>> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
>> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
>> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
>> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
>> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
>> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
>> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
>> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
>> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
>> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
>> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
>> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
>> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
>> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
>> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
>> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
>> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>>
>> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
>> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
>> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>>
>> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
>> explanations of the phenomena.
>>
>> Remarks:
>>
>> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
>> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
>> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
>> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
>> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>>
>> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
>> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
>> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
>> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
>> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
>> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
>> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>>
>> M. K. Shen
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> http://mok-kong-shen.de

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#5886

On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
>> of SIM?
>>
>> I would bet against hacking.
>
> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) below
> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!

Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
So, you refuse to give us any more information. 

>
> M. K. Shen
>
>>
>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
>>> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
>>> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
>>> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
>>> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
>>> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
>>> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
>>> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
>>> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
>>> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
>>> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
>>> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
>>> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
>>> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
>>> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
>>> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
>>> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
>>> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
>>> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
>>> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
>>> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
>>> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
>>> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
>>> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
>>> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>>>
>>> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
>>> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
>>> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>>>
>>> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
>>> explanations of the phenomena.
>>>
>>> Remarks:
>>>
>>> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
>>> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
>>> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
>>> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
>>> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>>>
>>> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
>>> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
>>> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
>>> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
>>> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
>>> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
>>> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>>>
>>> M. K. Shen
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>> http://mok-kong-shen.de
>

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#5887

Am 15.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb William Unruh:
> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
>>> of SIM?
>>>
>>> I would bet against hacking.
>>
>> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) below
>> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!
>
> Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
> So, you refuse to give us any more information.

Mmm, please tell me why is it essential that you know my cell phone
service provider. (You have a list of good providers and one of bad
providers, or what??)

M. K. Shen
>>>
>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
>>>> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
>>>> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
>>>> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
>>>> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
>>>> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
>>>> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
>>>> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
>>>> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
>>>> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
>>>> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
>>>> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
>>>> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
>>>> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
>>>> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
>>>> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
>>>> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
>>>> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
>>>> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
>>>> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
>>>> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
>>>> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
>>>> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
>>>> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
>>>> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>>>>
>>>> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
>>>> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
>>>> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>>>>
>>>> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
>>>> explanations of the phenomena.
>>>>
>>>> Remarks:
>>>>
>>>> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
>>>> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
>>>> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
>>>> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
>>>> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
>>>> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
>>>> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
>>>> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
>>>> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
>>>> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
>>>> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>>>>
>>>> M. K. Shen
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> http://mok-kong-shen.de
>>

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#5888

On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
> Am 15.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb William Unruh:
>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>>>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
>>>> of SIM?
>>>>
>>>> I would bet against hacking.
>>>
>>> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) below
>>> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!
>>
>> Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
>> So, you refuse to give us any more information.
>
> Mmm, please tell me why is it essential that you know my cell phone
> service provider. (You have a list of good providers and one of bad
> providers, or what??)

Forget it. I have lost all interest.

>
> M. K. Shen
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
>>>>> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
>>>>> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
>>>>> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
>>>>> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
>>>>> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
>>>>> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
>>>>> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
>>>>> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
>>>>> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
>>>>> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
>>>>> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
>>>>> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
>>>>> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
>>>>> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
>>>>> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
>>>>> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
>>>>> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
>>>>> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
>>>>> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
>>>>> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
>>>>> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
>>>>> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
>>>>> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
>>>>> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
>>>>> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
>>>>> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
>>>>> explanations of the phenomena.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remarks:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
>>>>> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
>>>>> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
>>>>> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
>>>>> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
>>>>> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
>>>>> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
>>>>> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
>>>>> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
>>>>> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
>>>>> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>>>>>
>>>>> M. K. Shen
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>> http://mok-kong-shen.de
>>>
>

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#5889

Am 15.05.2017 um 05:00 schrieb William Unruh:
> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Am 15.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb William Unruh:
>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>>>>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service provider? What kind
>>>>> of SIM?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would bet against hacking.
>>>>
>>>> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) below
>>>> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!
>>>
>>> Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
>>> So, you refuse to give us any more information.
>>
>> Mmm, please tell me why is it essential that you know my cell phone
>> service provider. (You have a list of good providers and one of bad
>> providers, or what??)
>
> Forget it. I have lost all interest.

Honestly I unfortunately can't do that quite well, since I couldn't
even imagine a tiniest reason that the name of the provider could be 
helpful for the investigation here at all and that also in view of
your past general position of argumention to my posts in another
usenet group.

M. K. Shen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That a modern smartphone with Internet access and a multitude of nice
>>>>>> features is liable of being hacked similar to a PC is evident. On the
>>>>>> other hand, a non-smart mobile phone, of design of the earlier
>>>>>> generation, unintelligent, clumsy, no Internet access, though yet
>>>>>> purchasable for telephone and SMS purposes only, could IMHO easily
>>>>>> mislead one to think that the device may be sufficiently secure against
>>>>>> malicious manipulations. The fact, I presume, is however that, if an
>>>>>> adversary is capable enough to enter the cellular network, he could
>>>>>> access the SIM card to perform his malicious work. A recent personal
>>>>>> experience of mine is the following: I bought such a device and a
>>>>>> pre-paid SIM card, entered the telephone numbers of my friends into its
>>>>>> contact address list and informed my friends of my new mobile phone
>>>>>> number. Soon, though at a rather low frequency averaging roughly one
>>>>>> event per day, a number of my friends complained that I had called them
>>>>>> but strangely never attempted to say even a single word. It turned out
>>>>>> that the device each time seemingly arbitrarily selected an entry in
>>>>>> the contact address list and called automatically, which could also be
>>>>>> verified by its list of all outgoing calls. As remedy I deleted all
>>>>>> telephone numbers of my friends in it, leaving however for experimental
>>>>>> purpose my own home telephone number. One following night I had then
>>>>>> the uncommon experience of being awoken by a call from my own mobile
>>>>>> phone! (Actually two new mobile phones of the same brand were tested.
>>>>>> Following my complains of the said phenomenon, the vender gave me a
>>>>>> new exemplar in exchange, so that the probability of there being a
>>>>>> manufacturing problem is vanishingly small.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another phenomenon that co-occurs with the above is that the device
>>>>>> powers off automatically at a frequency comparable to the first, even
>>>>>> though its battery is sufficiently loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being a layman in such issues, I should be very grateful for exact
>>>>>> explanations of the phenomena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remarks:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) I am mainly interested in technical explanations of the phenomena,
>>>>>> i.e. whether it is indeed true, and if yes how, that the SIM card in my
>>>>>> mobile phone got manipulated, and personally deem it neither favorable,
>>>>>> nor essential, realistic, etc. to conjecture on the motivations behind
>>>>>> such manipulations, if these indeed happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Googling with e.g. "cell phones calling themselves" will turn up
>>>>>> a lot of apparently similar cases which, I guess, could stem from
>>>>>> diverse different causes in practice. It seems that there have not been
>>>>>> much scientifically exact and detailed investigations done on the issue
>>>>>> and that the phenomenon can occur both to modern smartphones with
>>>>>> Internet access (hence higher liability of being hacked) and to the
>>>>>> non-smart mobile phones without Internet access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M. K. Shen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>> http://mok-kong-shen.de
>>>>
>>

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#5890

On 5/14/2017 11:25 PM, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
> Am 15.05.2017 um 05:00 schrieb William Unruh:
>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> Am 15.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>>>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>>>>>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service 
>>>>>> provider? What kind
>>>>>> of SIM?

>>>>>> I would bet against hacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) 
>>>>> below
>>>>> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
>>>> So, you refuse to give us any more information.
>>>
>>> Mmm, please tell me why is it essential that you know my cell phone
>>> service provider. (You have a list of good providers and one of bad
>>> providers, or what??)
>>
>> Forget it. I have lost all interest.
> 
> Honestly I unfortunately can't do that quite well, since I couldn't
> even imagine a tiniest reason that the name of the provider could be 
> helpful for the investigation here at all and that also in view of
> your past general position of argumention to my posts in another
> usenet group.
> 
> M. K. Shen

sim card cannot initiate a call.

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#5891

On Sun, 21 May 2017 13:26:45 -0500, Serg io <invalid@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 5/14/2017 11:25 PM, Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>> Am 15.05.2017 um 05:00 schrieb William Unruh:
>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 15.05.2017 um 00:17 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>>> On 2017-05-14, Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 14.05.2017 um 18:16 schrieb William Unruh:
>>>>>>> You give zero information and you expect a reasoned amswer?
>>>>>>> What make and model of phone? Who is your cell phone service 
>>>>>>> provider? What kind
>>>>>>> of SIM?
>
>>>>>>> I would bet against hacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not necessary for more informations from me. Following remark (2) 
>>>>>> below
>>>>>> you'll have much more informations than you ever have time to study!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, right. Google will tell me all about your particular situation.
>>>>> So, you refuse to give us any more information.
>>>>
>>>> Mmm, please tell me why is it essential that you know my cell phone
>>>> service provider. (You have a list of good providers and one of bad
>>>> providers, or what??)
>>>
>>> Forget it. I have lost all interest.
>> 
>> Honestly I unfortunately can't do that quite well, since I couldn't
>> even imagine a tiniest reason that the name of the provider could be 
>> helpful for the investigation here at all and that also in view of
>> your past general position of argumention to my posts in another
>> usenet group.
>> 
>> M. K. Shen
>
>sim card cannot initiate a call.

	The OP is probably butt-dialing.
	[]'s
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Am 21.05.2017 um 20:26 schrieb Serg io:

> sim card cannot initiate a call.

I have no knowledge but do you have good explanations of the cases from
googling I mentioned in Remark (2)?

M. K. Shen

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