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  Ignore Thread notification Udo Steinbach <trashcan@udoline.de> - 2026-09-22 22:02 +0200
    Re: Ignore Thread notification "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-09-22 17:35 -0400
      Re: Ignore Thread notification Udo Steinbach <trashcan@udoline.de> - 2026-09-23 02:12 +0200
    Re: Ignore Thread notification "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 01:41 +0100
      Re: Ignore Thread notification Udo Steinbach <trashcan@udoline.de> - 2026-09-23 10:46 +0200
      Re: Ignore Thread notification Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:56 +0100
        Re: Ignore Thread notification Udo Steinbach <trashcan@udoline.de> - 2026-09-23 11:17 +0200
          Re: Ignore Thread notification Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 12:26 +0100
            Re: Ignore Thread notification "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 13:57 +0100

#22065 — Ignore Thread notification

Oh man…
After every ignored thread, Betterbird (I think: Thunderbird) displays an
information bar at the bottom of the thread pane. I understand the
intention: accidentally pressing K can be confusing, and providing an Undo
option can be useful.
The problem is the way this has been implemented.
1: The notification appears inside the posting list.
2: It covers several postings at the bottom of the list.
3: It remains there when I continue working with non-ignored threads.
4: As a result, the covered part of the posting list is no longer usable
    for its intended purpose. I have to either close the notification or
    simply accept that part of my message list is obstructed.
5: There is no keyboard shortcut to dismiss it. I performed the action
    using the keyboard; I am then forced to reach for the mouse just to
    restore my normal working area.
6: This happens again after every ignored thread.

This is particularly unfortunate because the underlying problem is
perfectly legitimate: a user who accidentally presses K should have a way
to understand what happened and undo it. But that does not require
permanently occupying part of the message list after every intentional use
of the command. A much less intrusive solution would be to provide the
same way every program does on Delete Something: Show Messagebox with
„Don't show again“ checkbox.

Why do I get the feeling that software developers don't actually look at
the results of their own work…
-- 
Die Zeit der Unschuldsvermutung ist vorüber. http://radwege.udoline.de/
GPG: A245 F153 0636 6E34 E2F3  E1EB 817A B14D 3E7E 482E

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#22067

On 9/22/26 4:02 PM, Udo Steinbach wrote:
> Why do I get the feeling that software developers don't actually look at
> the results of their own work…

I've always thought they never use the product they are developing.  Not in an honest 24/7 
usage.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 153.3.0esr,  Firefox 156.0
     Alan K.

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#22068

Am 2026-09-22 um 23:35 schrieb Alan K.:
> I've always thought they never use

Who do you mean, Thunderbird developers or global?

> Not in an honest 24/7 usage.

Many, really many shitty things in software can be spotted at first glance.
With open eyes and minimum of brain activity.
Example: What I have written.
Example: Thunderbird again, collecting RSS. Showing an error on an URL for a
second in the status bar is obviously useless. A 4-year-old would know it
without even seeing it.
Example: Useless or incomplete error messages in all programs.
-- 
Die Moral von der Geschicht': Spiel' nach den Regeln des Gegners nicht.
http://radwege.udoline.de/
GPG: A245 F153 0636 6E34 E2F3  E1EB 817A B14D 3E7E 482E

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#22070

On 2026/9/22 21:2:32, Udo Steinbach wrote:
> Oh man…
> After every ignored thread, Betterbird (I think: Thunderbird) displays an
> information bar at the bottom of the thread pane. I understand the
> intention: accidentally pressing K can be confusing, and providing an Undo
> option can be useful.
> The problem is the way this has been implemented.
> 1: The notification appears inside the posting list.
> 2: It covers several postings at the bottom of the list.
> 3: It remains there when I continue working with non-ignored threads.
> 4: As a result, the covered part of the posting list is no longer usable
>     for its intended purpose. I have to either close the notification or
>     simply accept that part of my message list is obstructed.
> 5: There is no keyboard shortcut to dismiss it. I performed the action
>     using the keyboard; I am then forced to reach for the mouse just to
>     restore my normal working area.
> 6: This happens again after every ignored thread.

I've raised it before here (yes, it applies in TB too) - especially 2
(covers several lines) and 5 (no keyboard dismiss). Several versions
ago; it's obviously being ignored.

> 
> This is particularly unfortunate because the underlying problem is
> perfectly legitimate: a user who accidentally presses K should have a way
> to understand what happened and undo it. But that does not require
> permanently occupying part of the message list after every intentional use
> of the command. A much less intrusive solution would be to provide the
> same way every program does on Delete Something: Show Messagebox with
> „Don't show again“ checkbox.

Not sure I'd agree there - a way to undo an accidental use is always
useful. Which wouldn't be intrusive if there was a keyboard way of
saying "OK" (_or_ "oops").>
> Why do I get the feeling that software developers don't actually look at
> the results of their own work…

:-)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to
their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of
suitability for a five-year-old."
Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12

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#22071

Am 2026-09-23 um 02:41 schrieb J. P. Gilliver:
> Several versions ago; it's obviously being ignored.

As I thought.

> Not sure I'd agree there

Whatever. But to choose one of Top 3 of the badest thinkable ways…
-- 
Die Zeit der Unschuldsvermutung ist vorüber. http://radwege.udoline.de/
GPG: A245 F153 0636 6E34 E2F3  E1EB 817A B14D 3E7E 482E

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#22072

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

> I've raised it before here 
> it's obviously being ignored.

mentioning something here is definitely not a way to have the developers 
look at it ...

<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi>

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#22073

Am 2026-09-23 um 10:56 schrieb Andy Burns:
> mentioning something here is definitely not a way to have the developers
> look at it

I hoped to collect some voices here to raise a little pressure to repair
this. A one-man-show can easily wiped away.
-- 
Die Zeit der Unschuldsvermutung ist vorüber. http://radwege.udoline.de/
GPG: A245 F153 0636 6E34 E2F3  E1EB 817A B14D 3E7E 482E

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#22075

Udo Steinbach wrote:

> schrieb Andy Burns:
> >> mentioning something here is definitely not a way to have the developers
>> look at it
> 
> I hoped to collect some voices here to raise a little pressure to repair
> this. A one-man-show can easily wiped away.

I understand, but even a dozen voices here saying "me too" have no way 
to be heard by the TB devs.  Wayne or welpy-cw may poke their heads here 
once in a while ...

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#22077

On 2026/9/23 12:26:4, Andy Burns wrote:
> Udo Steinbach wrote:
> 
>> schrieb Andy Burns:
>>>> mentioning something here is definitely not a way to have the developers
>>> look at it
>>
>> I hoped to collect some voices here to raise a little pressure to repair
>> this. A one-man-show can easily wiped away.
> 
> I understand, but even a dozen voices here saying "me too" have no way 
> to be heard by the TB devs.  Wayne or welpy-cw may poke their heads here 
> once in a while ...
> 
I take your point, but I agree with Udo's one too; also, it could be
argued that this isn't actually a bug, just an undesirable feature; I'm
sure it works how its designers intended.

(Nevertheless, I've starred your post with the link to the reporting
portal.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible... Er...
"And he went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou
likewise (Luke 10:37)."

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