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  Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-22 02:46 -0700
    Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-22 02:47 -0700
    Re: Slow message send Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 11:04 +0100
      Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 06:31 -0700
        Re: Slow message send "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-23 19:23 +0200
          Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 04:34 -0700
    Re: Slow message send "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-06-22 07:28 -0400
      Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 06:53 -0700
    Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-22 12:01 -0500
      Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 07:18 -0700
        Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 07:20 -0700
          Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-23 12:34 -0500
            Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 05:38 -0700
              Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-24 17:18 -0500
        Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-23 12:02 -0500
          Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 05:48 -0700
            Re: Slow message send Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-06-24 09:10 -0700
              Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 05:20 -0700
                Re: Slow message send Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-06-25 09:15 -0700
                  Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-26 06:24 -0700
                    Re: Slow message send Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-06-26 11:46 -0700
                      Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-26 22:45 -0400
                        Re: Slow message send Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-06-27 11:27 -0700
                      Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-26 22:50 -0400
                        Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-26 23:44 -0500
                          Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-27 06:59 -0400
                            Re: Slow message send "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-27 14:09 +0200
                              Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-27 10:33 -0400
                      Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 00:55 -0700
            Re: Slow message send VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2026-06-24 17:15 -0500
              Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 05:21 -0700
    Re: Slow message send Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2026-06-22 19:44 +0200
      Re: Slow message send Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 19:03 +0100
        Re: Slow message send Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2026-06-22 20:15 +0200
          Re: Slow message send Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-06-22 12:01 -0700
            Re: Slow message send "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-22 21:31 +0200
            Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 07:22 -0700
              Re: Slow message send "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 22:34 +0800
              Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 09:38 -0400
                Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 10:28 -0400
                  Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:45 -0400
                    Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-26 06:28 -0700
                      Re: Slow message send "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-26 06:28 -0700
                        Re: Slow message send Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:56 -0400
            Re: Slow message send "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 22:34 +0800
    Re: Slow message send "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 03:13 +0800
    Re: Slow message send "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:51 +0800

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#20992 — Slow message send

It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
the message would almost instantly be sent.

Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:

______________________________________________________________________
Sending message - (message subject here)                        X

Status: Assembling message...Done

Progress:--------------------------------------------------------

                                                        [Cancel]
______________________________________________________________________

and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.

Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?

TIA.

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#20993

On 26/06/22 02:46 AM, John C. wrote:
> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
> the message would almost instantly be sent.
> 
> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
> 
> Status: Assembling message...Done
> 
> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                                                         [Cancel]
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
> 
> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
> 
> TIA.

Yes, I'm using Thunderbird when this happens. This is, after all, a
newsgroup for the discussion of that program.

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#20994

"John C." wrote:
> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
> the message would almost instantly be sent.
> 
> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
> 
> Status: Assembling message...Done
> 
> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                                                          [Cancel]
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
> 
> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
I think it always went through the assembling and sending, but now it 
makes clear what is happening under the water ...

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#21034

Andy Burns wrote:
> "John C." wrote:
>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>
>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message
>> saying:
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>
>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>
>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                                                          [Cancel]
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>
>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>
> I think it always went through the assembling and sending, but now it
> makes clear what is happening under the water ...

Yeah, I agree. However, now it really takes a long time to send a
message. I don't understand what's changed in the process of
"Assembling" and sending a message that would cause that. The delay is
very frustrating.

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#21050

On 2026-06-23 15:31, John C. wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> "John C." wrote:
>>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>>
>>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message
>>> saying:
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>>
>>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>>
>>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                                                           [Cancel]
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>>
>>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>>
>> I think it always went through the assembling and sending, but now it
>> makes clear what is happening under the water ...
> 
> Yeah, I agree. However, now it really takes a long time to send a
> message. I don't understand what's changed in the process of
> "Assembling" and sending a message that would cause that. The delay is
> very frustrating.

You know that you can just alt-tab to the main window of TB and continue 
reading/writing. You don't have to keep staring at the progress window.

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#21087

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>> "John C." wrote:
>>>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>>>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>>>
>>>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message
>>>> saying:
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>>>
>>>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>>>
>>>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                                                           [Cancel]
>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>>>
>>> I think it always went through the assembling and sending, but now it
>>> makes clear what is happening under the water ...
>>
>> Yeah, I agree. However, now it really takes a long time to send a
>> message. I don't understand what's changed in the process of
>> "Assembling" and sending a message that would cause that. The delay is
>> very frustrating.
> 
> You know that you can just alt-tab to the main window of TB and continue
> reading/writing. You don't have to keep staring at the progress window.

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. Yes, of course I know
this and it's what I do. However, that it takes so long to "assemble and
send" a message is ridiculous in the face of it. I've been using TB
since its inception, and even back then sending a message was instantaneous.

That it should be necessary to take a long time to "assemble and send" a
simple text message to usenet is ludicrous.

The way I see it, there are two possibilities:

1. the problem is unique to my system
2. the problem is the result of new code in the program.

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#20999

On 6/22/26 5:46 AM, John C. wrote:
> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
> the message would almost instantly be sent.
> 
> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
> 
> Status: Assembling message...Done
> 
> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                                                          [Cancel]
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
> 
> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
> 
> TIA.
> 
What kind of speed do you have, both internet/computer?
Could one be sluggish and make the above display last longer.   I sometimes see this 
especially if I attach large picks etc.  It takes time to copy it to the sent folder (I 
see that message too with IMAP).  But I have a 1yr old laptop of pretty good quality.

-- 
Mint 22.3,  Thunderbird 140.12.0esr,  Firefox 152.0.1
     Alan K.

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#21035

On 26/06/22 04:28 AM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 6/22/26 5:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>
>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message
>> saying:
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>
>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>
>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                                                          [Cancel]
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>
>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
> What kind of speed do you have, both internet/computer?

It does it even when I'm only sending short (text-only of course)
replies to usenet.

Upload speed is a mere 3.14 mbps. Download is 71.38.

My ISP is moving to DOCSIS 3.1 though, and if I get a new DOCSIS 3.1
capable cable modem, those speeds would change to:

Download: up to 500 Mbps
Upload: up to 500 Mbps

with no increase in monthly ISP fees.

> Could one be sluggish and make the above display last longer.   I
> sometimes see this especially if I attach large picks etc.  It takes
> time to copy it to the sent folder (I see that message too with IMAP). 
> But I have a 1yr old laptop of pretty good quality.
I would need to get both a new cable modem (and my ISP is very specific
about which one to get) as well as a new router. Also, the update to
DOCSIS 3.1 has been put on hold because the contractor they're using is
waiting for a license from the state (Oregon).

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#21015

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
> the message would almost instantly be sent.
> 
> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
> 
> Status: Assembling message...Done
> 
> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                                                         [Cancel]
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
> 
> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
> 
> TIA.

After clicking Send, can you see the message move from Drafts to Outbox
right away, or if the move is delayed?

If appending a signature to your outbound e-mails, test without that.

Are the digitally signing your outbound messages?  I don't see if you
use PGP here in Usenet since I erase that superfluous junk when
retrieving newsgroup messages.  Try without digital signatures.

Tried compacting TB's message store?  Backup first, then compact.

Have you tested with all add-ons disabled?  If that didn't help, have
you tested with a new TB profile?

Have you ran a speed test to check your bandwidth?

Tried disabling any anti-virus software?  If it is configured to
interrogate your messages (e-mail or NNTP), that is superfluous, anyway.
Some AVs, by default, interrogate e-mail and NNTP traffic.  Some don't,
like Windows Defender.

Using a VPN or a proxy?

Use Task Manager to check how many instance of Tbird are running.  Have
you exited (unloaded) and restarted Tbird?  If you're on Windows, tried
rebooting yet?

I read somewhere Tbird creates files in the user's temp folder, like
nsmail-???? where ???? is limited to 9999.  That was resolved (see
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673703), but you didn't
mention your version of Tbird, and Mozilla took away that useful info in
the UA header (don't remember at which version that happened).

Tried a disk cleanup?  Any other cleanup running at the time of sending
an outbound message?  Permissions on the temp folder can interfere with
Tbird.

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#21037

On 26/06/22 10:01 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>
>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>
>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>
>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                                                         [Cancel]
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>
>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>>
>> TIA.
> 
> After clicking Send, can you see the message move from Drafts to Outbox
> right away, or if the move is delayed?

I would have to get back to you on that one.
> If appending a signature to your outbound e-mails, test without that.

I don't believe that using a signature file would cause this kind of
problem. It's never done so in the past.

> Are the digitally signing your outbound messages?  I don't see if you
> use PGP here in Usenet since I erase that superfluous junk when
> retrieving newsgroup messages.  Try without digital signatures.
> 
> Tried compacting TB's message store?  Backup first, then compact.

I do this every time I use TB, and I never allow total size of archived
email to exceed 20 mb.

> Have you tested with all add-ons disabled?  If that didn't help, have
> you tested with a new TB profile?

Since this is a recent development and I haven't added any new
extensions in a long time, I am firmly convinced that a TB update is
responsible.

> Have you ran a speed test to check your bandwidth?

Yes. IMO, there is plenty bandwidth to be able to quickly send a short,
text-only message to usenet. However, I just did that and it took almost
10 seconds to "assemble and send" that message. That's just way too long.

> Tried disabling any anti-virus software?  If it is configured to
> interrogate your messages (e-mail or NNTP), that is superfluous, anyway.
> Some AVs, by default, interrogate e-mail and NNTP traffic.  Some don't,
> like Windows Defender.

Don't use a third party AV.

> Using a VPN or a proxy?

No.

> Use Task Manager to check how many instance of Tbird are running. 

Right now, there are 5.

> Have you exited (unloaded) and restarted Tbird?  If you're on Windows, 
> tried rebooting yet?

I turn off my computer whenever I'm not using it. Totally power it down.

> I read somewhere Tbird creates files in the user's temp folder, like
> nsmail-???? where ???? is limited to 9999.  That was resolved (see
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673703), but you didn't
> mention your version of Tbird, and Mozilla took away that useful info in
> the UA header (don't remember at which version that happened).

I'm running W10 Pro ESU and TB version 152.0.

> Tried a disk cleanup? 

Yes. I did so just very recently.

> Any other cleanup running at the time of sending an outbound message?

No, I never would do such a thing.

> Permissions on the temp folder can interfere with Tbird.

Thanks for replying VanguardLH.

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#21038

John C. wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>>
>>> It used to be that whenever I sent an email or posted to a newsgroup,
>>> the message would almost instantly be sent.
>>>
>>> Now, however, when I send an email or post a message I get a message saying:
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> Sending message - (message subject here)                        X
>>>
>>> Status: Assembling message...Done
>>>
>>> Progress:--------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                                                         [Cancel]
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> and there is a pronounced pause before the email or message is sent.
>>>
>>> Anybody know what's causing this or how to prevent it from happening?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>
>> After clicking Send, can you see the message move from Drafts to Outbox
>> right away, or if the move is delayed?
> 
> I would have to get back to you on that one.

Sending the previous reply to you took 6 seconds to assemble and send.
Moving the message from Drafts to Sent was instantaneous at that point
though.

>> If appending a signature to your outbound e-mails, test without that.
> 
> I don't believe that using a signature file would cause this kind of
> problem. It's never done so in the past.
> 
>> Are the digitally signing your outbound messages?  I don't see if you
>> use PGP here in Usenet since I erase that superfluous junk when
>> retrieving newsgroup messages.  Try without digital signatures.
>>
>> Tried compacting TB's message store?  Backup first, then compact.
> 
> I do this every time I use TB, and I never allow total size of archived
> email to exceed 20 mb.
> 
>> Have you tested with all add-ons disabled?  If that didn't help, have
>> you tested with a new TB profile?
> 
> Since this is a recent development and I haven't added any new
> extensions in a long time, I am firmly convinced that a TB update is
> responsible.
> 
>> Have you ran a speed test to check your bandwidth?
> 
> Yes. IMO, there is plenty bandwidth to be able to quickly send a short,
> text-only message to usenet. However, I just did that and it took almost
> 10 seconds to "assemble and send" that message. That's just way too long.
> 
>> Tried disabling any anti-virus software?  If it is configured to
>> interrogate your messages (e-mail or NNTP), that is superfluous, anyway.
>> Some AVs, by default, interrogate e-mail and NNTP traffic.  Some don't,
>> like Windows Defender.
> 
> Don't use a third party AV.
> 
>> Using a VPN or a proxy?
> 
> No.
> 
>> Use Task Manager to check how many instance of Tbird are running. 
> 
> Right now, there are 5.
> 
>> Have you exited (unloaded) and restarted Tbird?  If you're on Windows, 
>> tried rebooting yet?
> 
> I turn off my computer whenever I'm not using it. Totally power it down.
> 
>> I read somewhere Tbird creates files in the user's temp folder, like
>> nsmail-???? where ???? is limited to 9999.  That was resolved (see
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673703), but you didn't
>> mention your version of Tbird, and Mozilla took away that useful info in
>> the UA header (don't remember at which version that happened).
> 
> I'm running W10 Pro ESU and TB version 152.0.
> 
>> Tried a disk cleanup? 
> 
> Yes. I did so just very recently.
> 
>> Any other cleanup running at the time of sending an outbound message?
> 
> No, I never would do such a thing.
> 
>> Permissions on the temp folder can interfere with Tbird.
> 
> Thanks for replying VanguardLH.
> 


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#21052

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sending the previous reply to you took 6 seconds to assemble and send.
> Moving the message from Drafts to Sent was instantaneous at that point
> though.

A message should go from Drafts to Outbox, and then to Sent.  Until
actually sent, the message should pause in the Outbox folder.  Messages
are sent from the Outbox folder to the server, not from the Sent folder
(which records past successful send operations).  However, if the send
operation is really fast, you may not notice the message moved into
Outbox.

Since the message showed up immediately in the Sent folder, the send
operation is already done.  If the send is delayed, the message lingers
in Outbox.  If you put Tbird in offline mode (File -> Offline), sends
are pending until you right-click on Outbox to use "Send Unsent
Messages" after going online.  This prompts a test you might try: put
Tbird into offline mode, compose your message, send it, and check it
sits in the Outbox.  Then, how long after a send did it take for the
message to get from Drafts to Outbox?  Put Tbird into online mode, and
then do a send to see if there is a delay from Outbox to Sent.

Some add-ons perform a Send Later function, like giving you a moment to
decide if you really wanted to send to avoid mistakes, like sending an
e-mail into Usenet, or posting to the wrong person or newsgroup.  They
give you an "oops" delay.  From some add-ons I recall reviewing, like
Send Later, they let you delay sending in minute intervals, not seconds.
For example, Google webmail has an "Undo Send" feature that lets users
cancel sending a message within 10 seconds of sending.  The delay is
configurable if the option is enabled.  That postpones the actual send
allowing the sender to cancel within the time frame.  Some add-ons in
Tbird can effect the same send delay.

Have you tried disabling all filters?  Using a fresh Tbird profile would
eliminate those as you test with a fresh copy of Tbird.

Have you restarted Tbird?  You mentioned you shutdown, but that won't
necessarily remove instances of Tbird if you're using hibernate.  With
Tbird running with a hibernate shutdown, on resume from hibernate you
get the same thunderbird.exe processes in memory you had before.  Tbird
never did really exit.  Have you exited Tbird, checked in Task Manager
there are no instances of thunderbird.exe, and then restarted Tbird?

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#21088

On 26/06/23 10:34 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sending the previous reply to you took 6 seconds to assemble and send.
>> Moving the message from Drafts to Sent was instantaneous at that point
>> though.
> 
> A message should go from Drafts to Outbox, 

Outbox only exists in Local Folders, which I had hidden via the options
in the Folder Pane Header.

I just unchecked "Hide Local Folders" and will see if that takes care of
the lag issue.

> and then to Sent.  Until
> actually sent, the message should pause in the Outbox folder.  Messages
> are sent from the Outbox folder to the server, not from the Sent folder
> (which records past successful send operations).  However, if the send
> operation is really fast, you may not notice the message moved into
> Outbox.
> 
> Since the message showed up immediately in the Sent folder, the send
> operation is already done.  If the send is delayed, the message lingers
> in Outbox.  If you put Tbird in offline mode (File -> Offline), sends
> are pending until you right-click on Outbox to use "Send Unsent
> Messages" after going online.  This prompts a test you might try: put
> Tbird into offline mode, compose your message, send it, and check it
> sits in the Outbox.  Then, how long after a send did it take for the
> message to get from Drafts to Outbox?  Put Tbird into online mode, and
> then do a send to see if there is a delay from Outbox to Sent.
> 
> Some add-ons perform a Send Later function, like giving you a moment to
> decide if you really wanted to send to avoid mistakes, like sending an
> e-mail into Usenet, or posting to the wrong person or newsgroup.  They
> give you an "oops" delay.  From some add-ons I recall reviewing, like
> Send Later, they let you delay sending in minute intervals, not seconds.
> For example, Google webmail has an "Undo Send" feature that lets users
> cancel sending a message within 10 seconds of sending.  The delay is
> configurable if the option is enabled.  That postpones the actual send
> allowing the sender to cancel within the time frame.  Some add-ons in
> Tbird can effect the same send delay.
> 
> Have you tried disabling all filters?  Using a fresh Tbird profile would
> eliminate those as you test with a fresh copy of Tbird.
> 
> Have you restarted Tbird?  You mentioned you shutdown, but that won't
> necessarily remove instances of Tbird if you're using hibernate.

I loath and always disable "hibernate". When I turn off my computer, I
completely power it down. And I never leave TB running in the background
when I'm not using it. When I close TB, there are no instances of it
running in the Task Manager.

> With Tbird running with a hibernate shutdown, on resume from hibernate you
> get the same thunderbird.exe processes in memory you had before.  Tbird
> never did really exit.  Have you exited Tbird, checked in Task Manager
> there are no instances of thunderbird.exe, and then restarted Tbird?

By the way, I don't digitally sign my messages. That is, unless Mozilla
made that occur in the background somehow via an update to TB.

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#21103

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sending the previous reply to you took 6 seconds to assemble and send.
>>> Moving the message from Drafts to Sent was instantaneous at that point
>>> though.
>> 
>> A message should go from Drafts to Outbox, 
> 
> Outbox only exists in Local Folders, which I had hidden via the options
> in the Folder Pane Header.

Correct.  There is no Outbox at the server.  If the server has the
message, there is no need to stage it in a fake Outbox folder.  Outbox
is a client-side thing.

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#21048

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> If appending a signature to your outbound e-mails, test without that.
> 
> I don't believe that using a signature file would cause this kind of
> problem. It's never done so in the past.

That's part of the "assembling" process: patching stuff together.  If
using a signature, why are you averse to temporarily disabling it?

>> Are the digitally signing your outbound messages?  ... Try without
>> digital signatures.

You didn't address this possibility.  Computing a hash for the signature
is likely performed on a send, especially if the hash encompasses both
body and headers, so it's part of the "assembling" from the Draft copy
to the sent copy.

>> Tried compacting TB's message store?  Backup first, then compact.
> 
> I do this every time I use TB, and I never allow total size of archived
> email to exceed 20 mb.

Compacting has been known to uncorrupt a message store, but also corrupt
it, so I wouldn't do it a lot.  Mostly when troubleshooting, or when
Tbird gets slow.  Because compaction can corrupt, you should backup
beforehand.  That means creating backups for all those compactions.

>> Have you tested with all add-ons disabled?  If that didn't help, have
>> you tested with a new TB profile?
> 
> Since this is a recent development and I haven't added any new
> extensions in a long time, I am firmly convinced that a TB update is
> responsible.

You thought add-ons dig not got updated?  Extensions can be updated
manually, or automatically.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-add-ons-frequently-asked-questions#w_how-do-i-change-the-update-behavior-of-an-add-on

An updated add-on could have new and unwanted side effects, or outright
bugs.  New code could mean new problems.  Get them out of the way when
testing.

>> Use Task Manager to check how many instance of Tbird are running. 
> 
> Right now, there are 5.

I was thinking there was only 1 instance of thunderbird.exe, but Tbird
went multiprocess as did Firefox.

>> Have you exited (unloaded) and restarted Tbird?  If you're on Windows, 
>> tried rebooting yet?
> 
> I turn off my computer whenever I'm not using it. Totally power it down.

Powering down doesn't mandate a full shutdown.  Is hibernation enabled?
If so, maybe your power down does a shutdown into hibernation mode, and
then removes power.  When you reboot, you load the same memory image as
before, so anything untoward would still be setup the same way.  Make
sure hibernation is disabled when you shutdown, or ensure you don't
hibernate on shutdown.

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#21090

On 26/06/23 10:02 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> If appending a signature to your outbound e-mails, test without that.
>>
>> I don't believe that using a signature file would cause this kind of
>> problem. It's never done so in the past.
> 
> That's part of the "assembling" process: patching stuff together.  If
> using a signature, why are you averse to temporarily disabling it?
> 
>>> Are the digitally signing your outbound messages?  ... Try without
>>> digital signatures.
> 
> You didn't address this possibility.  Computing a hash for the signature
> is likely performed on a send, especially if the hash encompasses both
> body and headers, so it's part of the "assembling" from the Draft copy
> to the sent copy.
> 
>>> Tried compacting TB's message store?  Backup first, then compact.
>>
>> I do this every time I use TB, and I never allow total size of archived
>> email to exceed 20 mb.
> 
> Compacting has been known to uncorrupt a message store, but also corrupt
> it, so I wouldn't do it a lot.  Mostly when troubleshooting, or when
> Tbird gets slow.  Because compaction can corrupt, you should backup
> beforehand.  That means creating backups for all those compactions.
> 
>>> Have you tested with all add-ons disabled?  If that didn't help, have
>>> you tested with a new TB profile?
>>
>> Since this is a recent development and I haven't added any new
>> extensions in a long time, I am firmly convinced that a TB update is
>> responsible.
> 
> You thought add-ons dig not got updated?  Extensions can be updated
> manually, or automatically.
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-add-ons-frequently-asked-questions#w_how-do-i-change-the-update-behavior-of-an-add-on
> 
> An updated add-on could have new and unwanted side effects, or outright
> bugs.  New code could mean new problems.  Get them out of the way when
> testing.
> 
>>> Use Task Manager to check how many instance of Tbird are running. 
>>
>> Right now, there are 5.
> 
> I was thinking there was only 1 instance of thunderbird.exe, but Tbird
> went multiprocess as did Firefox.
> 
>>> Have you exited (unloaded) and restarted Tbird?  If you're on Windows, 
>>> tried rebooting yet?
>>
>> I turn off my computer whenever I'm not using it. Totally power it down.
> 
> Powering down doesn't mandate a full shutdown.  Is hibernation enabled?
> If so, maybe your power down does a shutdown into hibernation mode, and
> then removes power.  When you reboot, you load the same memory image as
> before, so anything untoward would still be setup the same way.  Make
> sure hibernation is disabled when you shutdown, or ensure you don't
> hibernate on shutdown.

Thanks for trying to help me, VanguardLH. I really appreciate your
efforts. But it's all just too much for me anymore. It's gotten to where
I spend an hour or more every day dealing with issues like this just to
run this computer. I'm too old for this stuff anymore. I give up. Guess
I'll just have to live with this pause every time I send an email.

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#21100

On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 05:48:56 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com>
wrote:


> It's gotten to where I spend an hour or more every day dealing with issues 
> like this just to run this computer. 

What?

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#21110

Nobody wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> 
>> It's gotten to where I spend an hour or more every day dealing with issues 
>> like this just to run this computer. 
> 
> What?

What "what"?

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#21116

On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 05:20:01 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Nobody wrote:
>> John C. wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's gotten to where I spend an hour or more every day dealing with issues 
>>> like this just to run this computer. 
>> 
>> What?
>
>What "what"?

"Spending an hour or more..."

You need a life.

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#21125

Nobody wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> Nobody wrote:
>>> John C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's gotten to where I spend an hour or more every day dealing with issues 
>>>> like this just to run this computer. 
>>>
>>> What?
>>
>> What "what"?
> 
> "Spending an hour or more..."
> 
> You need a life.

That's precisely the issue. I want a life that's free of having to spend
so much time resolving computer issues. HTH.

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