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  Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) David <David@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 17:39 +0100
    Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-20 17:51 +0100
      Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) David <David@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 20:00 +0100
        Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 19:07 +0000
        Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2025-05-20 20:18 +0100
          Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! David <David@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 22:51 +0100
        Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-20 20:40 +0100
          Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2025-05-20 21:57 +0100
            Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-21 06:23 +0100
              Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! "Apd" <not@all.invalid> - 2025-05-21 20:01 +0100
          Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) David <David@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 22:50 +0100
    Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy) Jörg Knobloch <jorgk@jorgk.com> - 2025-05-21 00:00 +0200

#16717 — Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy)

On 20/05/2025 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
> on 5/20/2025, David supposed :
>> On 20/05/2025 13:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David brought next idea :
>>>> On 20/05/2025 10:02, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> After serious thinking David wrote :
>>>>>> On 20/05/2025 03:43, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> Brock McNuggets explained on 5/19/2025 :
>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2025 at 4:33:15 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>> <100gf3u$1s7gd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After serious thinking Apd wrote :
>>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-19, Apd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.prosettings.com/emoji-list/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The actual encodings are used, so handy for copy/paste. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> However if
>>>>>>>>>>>> your browser doesn't support some
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, FTR's client stripped them out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It mangled most of them. Mine leaves them alone but can't 
>>>>>>>>>> display them
>>>>>>>>>> (shows a rectangle). If I copy them and paste into a browser 
>>>>>>>>>> textarea
>>>>>>>>>> or similar I can see those that are supported.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the raw body:
>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/NdpG9gKT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not what I see on my system... both in my Usenet client and 
>>>>>>>> downloading it
>>>>>>>> "raw":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://shottr.cc/s/PhLX/SCR-20250519-p3k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (just the downloaded shown there)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe mangled enroute?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mangled in the client, I would guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://al.howardknight.net/? 
>>>>>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> Edited to see if it works.
>>>>
>>>> Still doesn't work for me!  :-(
>>>
>>> <https://al.howardknight.net/? 
>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E>
>>>
>>> <code>https://al.howardknight.net/? 
>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</code>
>>>
>>> <pre>https://al.howardknight.net/? 
>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</pre>
>>
>> *ALL* three of those 'work' ........ albeit a bit slower than usual.
> 
> *Why does it keep adding a space after the question mark*?

I have no idea!

I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.

Cross-posted to ask for help.

Hi! 🙂  Does anyone reading here /now/ have an answer?

-- 
David

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#16719

David wrote:

> I have no idea! 
> I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.
> Cross-posted to ask for help.

I doubt if anyone wants to decipher a quoted version of a copy/paste 
with no headers for clues.  If you send an actual original message here, 
you might get a sensible reply ...

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#16724

On 20/05/2025 17:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea! I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.
>> Cross-posted to ask for help.
> 
> I doubt if anyone wants to decipher a quoted version of a copy/paste 
> with no headers for clues.  If you send an actual original message here, 
> you might get a sensible reply ...

Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?

Path: uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: David <David@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.software.thunderbird
Subject: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 17:39:31 +0100
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On 20/05/2025 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
 > on 5/20/2025, David supposed :
 >> On 20/05/2025 13:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
 >>> David brought next idea :
 >>>> On 20/05/2025 10:02, FromTheRafters wrote:
 >>>>> After serious thinking David wrote :
 >>>>>> On 20/05/2025 03:43, FromTheRafters wrote:
 >>>>>>> Brock McNuggets explained on 5/19/2025 :
 >>>>>>>> On May 19, 2025 at 4:33:15 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
 >>>>>>>> <100gf3u$1s7gd$1@dont-email.me>:
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>> After serious thinking Apd wrote :
 >>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-19, Apd wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.prosettings.com/emoji-list/>
 >>>>>>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>>>>> The actual encodings are used, so handy for copy/paste.
 >>>>>>>>>>>> However if
 >>>>>>>>>>>> your browser doesn't support some
 >>>>>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, FTR's client stripped them out.
 >>>>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>>> It mangled most of them. Mine leaves them alone but can't
 >>>>>>>>>> display them
 >>>>>>>>>> (shows a rectangle). If I copy them and paste into a browser
 >>>>>>>>>> textarea
 >>>>>>>>>> or similar I can see those that are supported.
 >>>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>> This is the raw body:
 >>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/NdpG9gKT
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>> Not what I see on my system... both in my Usenet client and
 >>>>>>>> downloading it
 >>>>>>>> "raw":
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>> https://shottr.cc/s/PhLX/SCR-20250519-p3k
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>> (just the downloaded shown there)
 >>>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>>> Maybe mangled enroute?
 >>>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>> Mangled in the client, I would guess.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> https://al.howardknight.net/?
 >>>>>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Edited to see if it works.
 >>>>
 >>>> Still doesn't work for me!  :-(
 >>>
 >>> <https://al.howardknight.net/?
 >>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E>
 >>>
 >>> <code>https://al.howardknight.net/?
 >>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</code>
 >>>
 >>> <pre>https://al.howardknight.net/?
 >>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</pre>
 >>
 >> *ALL* three of those 'work' ........ albeit a bit slower than usual.
 >
 > *Why does it keep adding a space after the question mark*?

I have no idea!

I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.

Cross-posted to ask for help.

Hi! 🙂  Does anyone reading here *NOW* have an answer?

-- 
David

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#16725 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

On May 20, 2025 at 12:00:03 PM MST, "David" wrote
<m941pjFdsffU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 20/05/2025 17:51, Andy Burns wrote:
>> David wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no idea! I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.
>>> Cross-posted to ask for help.
>> 
>> I doubt if anyone wants to decipher a quoted version of a copy/paste
>> with no headers for clues.  If you send an actual original message here,
>> you might get a sensible reply ...
> 
> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?
> 
> Path: uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
> From: David <David@invalid.invalid>
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.software.thunderbird
> Subject: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus! (was - Emoji epigraphy)
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 17:39:31 +0100
> Lines: 75
> Message-ID: <m93pi3Fci57U1@mid.individual.net>
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> Xref: uni-berlin.de alt.computer.workshop:266367
> alt.comp.software.thunderbird:17018
> 
> On 20/05/2025 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> on 5/20/2025, David supposed :
>>> On 20/05/2025 13:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> David brought next idea :
>>>>> On 20/05/2025 10:02, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> After serious thinking David wrote :
>>>>>>> On 20/05/2025 03:43, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brock McNuggets explained on 5/19/2025 :
>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2025 at 4:33:15 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <100gf3u$1s7gd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> After serious thinking Apd wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-19, Apd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Steve Carroll" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.prosettings.com/emoji-list/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The actual encodings are used, so handy for copy/paste.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your browser doesn't support some
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently, FTR's client stripped them out.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It mangled most of them. Mine leaves them alone but can't
>>>>>>>>>>> display them
>>>>>>>>>>> (shows a rectangle). If I copy them and paste into a browser
>>>>>>>>>>> textarea
>>>>>>>>>>> or similar I can see those that are supported.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is the raw body:
>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/NdpG9gKT
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not what I see on my system... both in my Usenet client and
>>>>>>>>> downloading it
>>>>>>>>> "raw":
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://shottr.cc/s/PhLX/SCR-20250519-p3k
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> (just the downloaded shown there)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe mangled enroute?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mangled in the client, I would guess.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://al.howardknight.net/?
>>>>>>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Edited to see if it works.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still doesn't work for me!  :-(
>>>> 
>>>> <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E>
>>>> 
>>>> <code>https://al.howardknight.net/?
>>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</code>
>>>> 
>>>> <pre>https://al.howardknight.net/?
>>>> STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C100fse8%241ogmj%241%40dont-email.me%3E</pre>
>>> 
>>> *ALL* three of those 'work' ........ albeit a bit slower than usual.
>> 
>> *Why does it keep adding a space after the question mark*?
> 
> I have no idea!
> 
> I wonder if it could be a 'Thunderbird' thing.
> 
> Cross-posted to ask for help.
> 
> Hi! 🙂  Does anyone reading here *NOW* have an answer?


Happens from wrapping.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#16726 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

"David" wrote:
> On 20/05/2025 17:51, Andy Burns wrote:
>> I doubt if anyone wants to decipher a quoted version of a copy/paste with 
>> no headers for clues. If you send an actual original message here, you 
>> might get a sensible reply ...
>
> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?

No. This is what they might like:

MID: <m93adlFa063U4@mid.individual.net>
or:
<https://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174776832900>

That was a reply to a post where the links weren't wrapped and there
was no space after the "?". Thunderguts decided to break after the "?"
and insert a space.

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#16735 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

On 20/05/2025 20:18, Apd wrote:
> "David" wrote:
>> On 20/05/2025 17:51, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> I doubt if anyone wants to decipher a quoted version of a copy/paste with
>>> no headers for clues. If you send an actual original message here, you
>>> might get a sensible reply ...
>>
>> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?
> 
> No. This is what they might like:
> 
> MID: <m93adlFa063U4@mid.individual.net>
> or:
> <https://al.howardknight.net/?ID=174776832900>
> 
> That was a reply to a post where the links weren't wrapped and there
> was no space after the "?". Thunderguts decided to break after the "?"
> and insert a space.

Understood. Thank you for clarifying. 🙂

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#16730

David wrote:

> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?

Not really, I could see *your* message's headers, but I assume Steve 
Carroll's original message is where the erroneous emoji started?

They look ok in his message
but in FTR's reply they've mostly been butchered
both messages are use 8-bit, utf-8, text/plain encoding ...

e.g. the "F0 9F 92 80" sequence for the skull has become
"3F" for a question mark,so it look like MesNews can't handle utf-8 
properly, or is utterly misconfigured by FTR?

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#16733 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

"Andy Burns" wrote:
> David wrote:
>> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?
>
> Not really, I could see *your* message's headers, but I assume Steve 
> Carroll's original message is where the erroneous emoji started?

It's nothing to do with emoji display which is another issue. It's
about how Thunderbird breaks long lines of text (in this case URLs
with a query parameter) that don't contain a space. See my earlier
reply pointing to the MID in question.

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#16737 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

  Apd wrote:

> It's nothing to do with emoji display which is another issue. It's
> about how Thunderbird breaks long lines of text (in this case URLs
> with a query parameter) that don't contain a space.

It doesn't like punctuation in URLs

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#16739 — Re: Requesting help from Thunderbird gurus!

"Andy Burns" wrote:
> Apd wrote:
>> It's nothing to do with emoji display which is another issue. It's
>> about how Thunderbird breaks long lines of text (in this case URLs
>> with a query parameter) that don't contain a space.
>
> It doesn't like punctuation in URLs

Well, yes. I wonder if it understands the dots in IP addresses aren't
punctuation. If so, it ought to recognise a query string in a URL.

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#16734

On 20/05/2025 20:40, Andy Burns wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
>> Is this what you'd like, Andy Burns?
> 
> Not really, I could see *your* message's headers, but I assume Steve 
> Carroll's original message is where the erroneous emoji started?
> 
> They look ok in his message
> but in FTR's reply they've mostly been butchered
> both messages are use 8-bit, utf-8, text/plain encoding ...
> 
> e.g. the "F0 9F 92 80" sequence for the skull has become
> "3F" for a question mark,so it look like MesNews can't handle utf-8 
> properly, or is utterly misconfigured by FTR?

I suspect it's MesNews; FTR is a highly competent techie fellow!

Apd has since explained about the 'gaps'.

Thank you for responding to my query, Andy. 🙂

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#16736

On 20 May 2025 18:39, David wrote:
> Hi! 🙂  Does anyone reading here /now/ have an answer?

What's the question?

Is the question:
Why does it keep adding a space after the question mark?

That was already answered, seems to be an (un-)wrapping artifact.

Or is the question:
Why are the emojis in this picture so bad?
https://shottr.cc/s/PhLX/SCR-20250519-p3k

To answer that, one would have to understand what the picture shows.
The left side seems OK, what produced the right side?

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