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  Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 09:28 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 10:11 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:25 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:47 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 11:04 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:13 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:27 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 12:33 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:11 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:19 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 07:55 -0700
        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-26 17:11 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 16:47 +0000
          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 10:45 -0700
            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> - 2021-04-26 14:04 -0400
            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 18:20 +0000
              Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 11:44 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:02 -0600
                  Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:49 -0700
                    Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:39 -0600
                      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:15 -0700
                        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:26 -0600
                          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:20 -0700
                            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:37 -0600
                          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Laurence Taylor <laurence@nospam.plus.com> - 2021-04-28 21:40 +0100
                            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-28 22:01 +0100
                            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2021-04-29 09:19 +0100
                        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-28 02:29 +0000
                        OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:14 +0100
                          Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:42 -0700
                            Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:42 +0100
                              Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:07 -0700
                                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:37 +0100
                          Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:59 +0100
                          Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:45 -0600
                            Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0100
                              Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:57 -0600
                                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0100
                                Re: OT: posting/emailing style Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-04-28 20:33 +0100
                                  Re: OT: posting/emailing style Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 14:31 -0600
                                    Re: OT: posting/emailing style The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 13:38 -0700
                                  Re: OT: posting/emailing style Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-04-28 21:35 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> - 2021-04-26 23:29 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:01 -0600
            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> - 2021-04-26 23:28 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:57 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:56 -0600
                  Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:32 -0700
                    Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 10:59 -0600
                      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 10:26 -0700
                        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:28 -0600
                          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:23 -0700
                            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:50 -0600
                        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:51 -0600
                          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:15 -0700
                            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 11:48 -0600
                              Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:58 -0700
        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 20:00 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 12:25 -0700
            Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 16:26 -0500
        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-27 05:07 +0000
      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Bill H <bhtemp99@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2021-04-26 09:06 -0700
      Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 15:54 -0500
        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 22:58 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 17:55 -0500

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#232 — Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text

MB wrote:

> Can someone remind me how you stop Thunderbird displaying quote text 
> when reading post?

I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported?

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#233

On 25/04/2021 09:28, Andy Burns wrote:
> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported?



I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything.  It would seem 
a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to 
scroll through.

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#234

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:11:12 +0100, MB wrote:

> On 25/04/2021 09:28, Andy Burns wrote:
>> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported?
> 
> 
> 
> I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything.  It would seem 
> a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to 
> scroll through.

Was QuoteCollapse I believe.
Alas no more.
-- 
Jim S

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#235

Jim S wrote:

> MB wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer supported?
>>
>> I am sure that must have been it but can't find anything.  It would seem
>> a very important option, there often many screens full of quoted text to
>> scroll through.
> 
> Was QuoteCollapse I believe.
> Alas no more.

Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be 
coming back for TB91

<https://www.thunderbird-mail.de/forum/thread/86842-quotecolors-update-f%C3%BCr-thunderbird-91/>

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#236

On 25/04/2021 10:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> 
> Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be 
> coming back for TB91

Thanks to both, will keep a look out.

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#237

On 25/04/2021 11:04, MB wrote:
> On 25/04/2021 10:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a combined version of QuoteColors and QuoteCollapse may be 
>> coming back for TB91
> 
> Thanks to both, will keep a look out.

Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space-  and 
it is working fine.

There is a toggle switch to turn it on and off.

Tools -> Add Ons from the main page.

-- 

Chris

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#238

Chris Youlden wrote:

> Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space-  and 
> it is working fine.

Presumably v2.x ?

I think it'd v3.x that claims it will include the quotecollapse 
functionality

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#251

On 25/04/2021 12:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> Chris Youlden wrote:
> 
>> Just checked my addons and I have "Quote Colors" -notice the space-  
>> and it is working fine.
> 
> Presumably v2.x ?
> 
> I think it'd v3.x that claims it will include the quotecollapse 
> functionality

Yes, it's v2.0.5   Updated 16th April 2021.

-- 

Chris

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#249

Yeah, that is why I top post!

 Incidentally can the hot keys used by Tbird be changed so the old muscle 
memory of  Microsoft mail and news clients can continue to be used when this 
old outlook express cannot work any more?
 Brian

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> MB wrote:
>
>> Can someone remind me how you stop Thunderbird displaying quote text when 
>> reading post?
>
> I'm not aware of a way, maybe you had an add-on that's no longer 
> supported? 

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#250

Brian Gaff wrote:

> can the hot keys used by Tbird be changed

There used to be a couple of add-ons to remap keyboard shortcuts, but I 
don't think they work with current versions of thunderbird.

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#252

On 4/26/2021 1:11 AM, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Yeah, that is why I top post!


If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to, 
then back up to see your reply.


Whether you top post, bottom post, or intersperse post is entirely up to 
you, but as far as I'm concerned, top-posters are a nuisance, and 
quickly get killfiled here.


Moreover your top top-posting puts your signature after your reply so 
everything you had quoted gets deleted in my reply.


-- 
Ken

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#255

On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:
> If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
> then back up to see your reply.

I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years 
ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.

I think a lot of it went back to the days when most USENET users were 
academic ones and some rather resented 'ordinary' users.  :-)

I wondered if they were used to the days when everything was printed out 
(they were not paying for the paper of course!).

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#256

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:

>>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
>>then back up to see your reply.

>I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years 
>ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.

Overquoting is a separate issue. After all, not choosing what's
necessary to retain context in quoted remark has nothing to do with
posting in followup above, intersperced, or below.

Top posting sucks for the obvious reason Ken Blake stated. English is
read top to bottom.

>I think a lot of it went back to the days when most USENET users were 
>academic ones and some rather resented 'ordinary' users.  :-)

>I wondered if they were used to the days when everything was printed out 
>(they were not paying for the paper of course!).

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#257

On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote:
> On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>> If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
>> then back up to see your reply.
> 
> I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years
> ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.



Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would 
usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. 
Scrolling would seldom be needed.


-- 
Ken

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#258

On 4/26/2021 1:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote:
>> On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
>>> then back up to see your reply.
>>
>> I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years
>> ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.
> 

ctrl-end is your friend.

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#260

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote:
>>On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:

>>>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
>>>then back up to see your reply.

>>I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years
>>ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.

>Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would 
>usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. 
>Scrolling would seldom be needed.

Preserving logical reading order still matters.

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#263

On 4/26/2021 11:20 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>>On 4/26/2021 9:11 AM, MB wrote:
>>>On 26/04/2021 15:55, Ken Blake wrote:
> 
>>>>If you top post, I have to scroll down to see what you are replying to,
>>>>then back up to see your reply.
> 
>>>I can remember all the arguments about top posting ten or twenty years
>>>ago!  Usually the main problem is people who quote far too much.
> 
>>Yes! If replies only quoted the points being replied to, it would 
>>usually not matter whether they were top-posted or bottom-posted. 
>>Scrolling would seldom be needed.
> 
> Preserving logical reading order still matters.


No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and 
the reply both fit on the screen.


-- 
Ken

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#275

On 4/26/21 12:44 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and 
> the reply both fit on the screen.

So few of the discussions I participate in will fit on a single screen. 
Even with proper trimming.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#280

On 4/26/2021 3:02 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 4/26/21 12:44 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> No argument from me, but it matters much less if the quoted material and 
>> the reply both fit on the screen.
> 
> So few of the discussions I participate in will fit on a single screen.
> Even with proper trimming.


This message, as you trimmed it and I replied to it, fits on a single 
screen.

Would it be worse if if my reply was top-posted?> Maybe slightly worse, 
but it wouldn't be a big deal to me.


-- 
Ken

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#282

On 4/26/21 5:49 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> This message, as you trimmed it and I replied to it, fits on a single 
> screen.

What I'm replying to would fit in a (new) tweet.

IMHO, Tweets aren't in and of themselves sufficient for actual honest to 
$DEITY communications.

When you start getting into communications where someone takes more than 
five minutes to type a reply chances are good that their message, much 
less a sufficiently detailed response, will not fit on a number of 
screens and will require scrolling.  Especially if one or both parties 
enforces hard line breaks between 70 and 80 characters.

> Would it be worse if if my reply was top-posted?

Definitely.

> Maybe slightly worse, but it wouldn't be a big deal to me.
More than slightly.

You're using English, so I'm going to assume that it's familiar to you. 
As such, you are probably also familiar with the top to bottom flow of 
normal English writing.  You probably also realize that this is a 
representation of chronological ""speech (of sorts).

With that in mind, I speculate that you would be disconcerted to hear 
someone answer a question before the question was asked.  Be it a time 
jump or whatever.  So ... why should textual representation of speech be 
any different than the verbal form of speech?

Once you get beyond a certain length of email or discussion, there is a 
sequence of multiple points.  And it's quite common to give participants 
the opportunity to respond to various points during the course of a 
longer discussion.  I view interspersing point with counter points to be 
the same way.  This is typically referred to in-line style.

I strongly prefer in-line style.  Bottom posting does maintain 
conversation chronology.  --  As in someone new to the conversation, say 
reading a newsgroup / mailing list archive. --  Can read from the start 
at the top to the end at the bottom in one pass and likely not be confused.

whack
out
of
that
of
all
throws
posting
top

Aside:  I view "but my client does $THIS automaticaly" comments to be an 
excuse at best.  Also, the size and popularity of the institution that 
creates a tool to do something does not speak to it's properness, rather 
simply nods to it's likely probability.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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