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  What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-15 16:33 +0100
    Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2021-04-15 11:38 -0400
    Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-04-15 16:43 +0000
      Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-15 17:35 +0000
        Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-16 19:29 -0500
      Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-15 21:07 +0100
        Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-04-15 21:25 +0000
          Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-16 13:28 +0100
            Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-16 13:00 +0000
              Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-16 13:23 +0000
                Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2021-04-16 20:57 +0100
                  Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-16 22:20 +0000
            Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-04-16 14:01 +0100
              Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-16 22:40 +0000
              Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-04-18 06:34 +0000
                Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-18 10:30 +0000
                Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-18 13:55 +0000
    Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? PietB <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2021-04-17 10:56 +0200
      Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-17 15:01 +0000
        Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-17 08:07 -0700
          Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-17 15:16 +0000
      Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-17 08:02 -0700
        Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-17 15:07 +0000
          Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-17 08:09 -0700
        Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2021-04-17 19:26 +0100
          Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-17 14:40 -0700
            Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2021-04-18 02:26 +0100
              Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-18 07:49 +0100
                Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2021-04-20 03:14 +0100
                  Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-20 07:34 +0100
                  Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-20 08:17 -0700
              Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-18 10:30 -0700
                Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2021-04-19 01:24 +0000
                  Re: What or who decides if an "In-Reply-To:" header appears? WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> - 2021-04-19 07:30 -0400

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#158

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2021 8:01 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>Mind you, this is something I'm saying decades later with 20-20 hindsight
>>because of how convenient I find threading and wish we had it in Mail.

>That depends on what e-mail client you use. Thunderbird has it, but I 
>don't like it and would like to turn it off.

Threading in Mail depends on most people posting on a mailing list
having a Mail client that takes as much care as a newsreader does with
the Message-ID string. Otherwise you can do on your end is Subject-Date
order or some other pseudo-threading. You tend to get errors in displaying
a thread tree for the using if all that's available is In-Reply-To with
just the precursor Message-ID and no string of precursor Message-IDs (or at
least a partial string that preserves the Message-ID of the root message).

I agree with you. I don't use threading while I'm reading messages from
a mailing list because too much data is missing and it doesn't work like
display of a thread tree in Usenet.

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#154

On 4/17/2021 1:56 AM, PietB wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>> Looking through the headers of various posts here and other NGs, I 
>> noticed that some of them have an "In-Reply-To:" header, while others 
>> don't.
> 
> Depends on what you're referring to. Ever since The Old Days you
> sent a reply to a mail message, a followup to a news posting.



That depends on who you are, which term you prefer, and what newsreader 
you use. As an example, I clicked on "Reply" here in Thunderbird to 
answer you. "Followup isn't even a choice.


-- 
Ken

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#156

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2021 1:56 AM, PietB wrote:
>>Jeff Layman wrote:

>>>Looking through the headers of various posts here and other NGs, I 
>>>noticed that some of them have an "In-Reply-To:" header, while others 
>>>don't.

>>Depends on what you're referring to. Ever since The Old Days you
>>sent a reply to a mail message, a followup to a news posting.

>That depends on who you are, which term you prefer, and what newsreader 
>you use. As an example, I clicked on "Reply" here in Thunderbird to 
>answer you. "Followup isn't even a choice.

I've never used a stand-alone newsreader that doesn't use Usenet
terminology, though. Use of Mail terminology for News just seems
to be a feature of combined Mail and News clients.

Was that true in Netscape days too?

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#157

On 4/17/2021 8:07 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>>On 4/17/2021 1:56 AM, PietB wrote:
>>>Jeff Layman wrote:
> 
>>>>Looking through the headers of various posts here and other NGs, I 
>>>>noticed that some of them have an "In-Reply-To:" header, while others 
>>>>don't.
> 
>>>Depends on what you're referring to. Ever since The Old Days you
>>>sent a reply to a mail message, a followup to a news posting.
> 
>>That depends on who you are, which term you prefer, and what newsreader 
>>you use. As an example, I clicked on "Reply" here in Thunderbird to 
>>answer you. "Followup isn't even a choice.
> 
> I've never used a stand-alone newsreader that doesn't use Usenet
> terminology, though. Use of Mail terminology for News just seems
> to be a feature of combined Mail and News clients.


I've used others in the past, but I can't remember what terminology they 
used.


> > Was that true in Netscape days too?


I don't remember that either.


-- 
Ken

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#159

On 17/04/2021 16:02, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/17/2021 1:56 AM, PietB wrote:
>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> Looking through the headers of various posts here and other NGs, I 
>>> noticed that some of them have an "In-Reply-To:" header, while others 
>>> don't.
>>
>> Depends on what you're referring to. Ever since The Old Days you
>> sent a reply to a mail message, a followup to a news posting.
> 
> 
> 
> That depends on who you are, which term you prefer, and what newsreader 
> you use. As an example, I clicked on "Reply" here in Thunderbird to 
> answer you. "Followup isn't even a choice.
> 
> 
In that case there is something wrong with the way you are using TB. As 
ever I clicked Followup to post this response. If I had clicked Reply I 
would have wasted my time sending an email to <ken@invalidemail.com>.

As far as I know its always been that way with newsreaders although the 
terminology varies. OE6 calls the options Reply and Reply Group.

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#160

On 4/17/2021 11:26 AM, MikeS wrote:
> 
> As far as I know its always been that way with newsreaders although the
> terminology varies. OE6 calls the options Reply and Reply Group.



If I go to the menu bar, I can click Message|Follow-up to Newsgroup, but 
I never do that. I click Reply on the Toolbar.

-- 
Ken

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#161

On 17/04/2021 22:40, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/17/2021 11:26 AM, MikeS wrote:
>>
>> As far as I know its always been that way with newsreaders although the
>> terminology varies. OE6 calls the options Reply and Reply Group.
> 
> 
> 
> If I go to the menu bar, I can click Message|Follow-up to Newsgroup, but 
> I never do that. I click Reply on the Toolbar.
> 

In Thunderbird 'Reply' is reply by email, 'follow up' is reply by NNTP.

What are you using?

-- 
Brian Gregory (in England).

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#163

Brian Gregory wrote:

> In Thunderbird 'Reply' is reply by email, 'follow up' is reply by NNTP.

That Depends which toolbar you use ...

For years I heard complaints from people saying TB had sent an email 
instead of replying to the group, yet it never happened to me.

Turns out they were using the reply icon in the message pane header 
toolbar, not the follow-up icon from that toolbar.

I always hide all the message pane icons (used to be through customise, 
now via an add-on) and use the main program toolbar icons, where the 
reply icon automatically "does the right thing", replying by email to 
emails, and following up to the group for nntp.

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#183

On 18/04/2021 07:49, Andy Burns wrote:
> Brian Gregory wrote:
> 
>> In Thunderbird 'Reply' is reply by email, 'follow up' is reply by NNTP.
> 
> That Depends which toolbar you use ...
> 
> For years I heard complaints from people saying TB had sent an email 
> instead of replying to the group, yet it never happened to me.
> 
> Turns out they were using the reply icon in the message pane header 
> toolbar, not the follow-up icon from that toolbar.
> 
> I always hide all the message pane icons (used to be through customise, 
> now via an add-on) and use the main program toolbar icons, where the 
> reply icon automatically "does the right thing", replying by email to 
> emails, and following up to the group for nntp.
> 

I have this: (screenshot)
https://www.Brian-Gregory.me.uk/GDL/Thunderbird1.png
It seems near perfect to me.

-- 
Brian Gregory (in England).

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#184

Brian Gregory wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> I always hide all the message pane icons (used to be through 
>> customise, now via an add-on) and use the main program toolbar icons, 
>> where the reply icon automatically "does the right thing", replying by 
>> email to emails, and following up to the group for nntp.
> 
> I have this: (screenshot)
> https://www.Brian-Gregory.me.uk/GDL/Thunderbird1.png
> It seems near perfect to me.

This is mine

<http://andyburns.uk/misc/tb-toolbars.png>

I lived with TB for long enough before the message pane toolbar arrived, 
that I just got rid of it straight away.  That single reply button does 
all I want for mail and news for home use (and the reply-all is 
generally used on the work laptop).

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#187

On 4/19/2021 7:14 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 18/04/2021 07:49, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Brian Gregory wrote:
>> 
>>> In Thunderbird 'Reply' is reply by email, 'follow up' is reply by NNTP.
>> 
>> That Depends which toolbar you use ...
>> 
>> For years I heard complaints from people saying TB had sent an email 
>> instead of replying to the group, yet it never happened to me.
>> 
>> Turns out they were using the reply icon in the message pane header 
>> toolbar, not the follow-up icon from that toolbar.
>> 
>> I always hide all the message pane icons (used to be through customise, 
>> now via an add-on) and use the main program toolbar icons, where the 
>> reply icon automatically "does the right thing", replying by email to 
>> emails, and following up to the group for nntp.
>> 
> 
> I have this: (screenshot)
> https://www.Brian-Gregory.me.uk/GDL/Thunderbird1.png
> It seems near perfect to me.



That looks almost exactly like my Thunderbird window.


-- 
Ken

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#166

On 4/17/2021 6:26 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 17/04/2021 22:40, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 4/17/2021 11:26 AM, MikeS wrote:
>>>
>>> As far as I know its always been that way with newsreaders although the
>>> terminology varies. OE6 calls the options Reply and Reply Group.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If I go to the menu bar, I can click Message|Follow-up to Newsgroup, but 
>> I never do that. I click Reply on the Toolbar.
>> 
> 
> In Thunderbird 'Reply' is reply by email, 'follow up' is reply by NNTP.
> 
> What are you using?



Thunderbird 78.9.1. I only have Reply on the Toolbar. There is no Follow 
up button. "Reply" replies by NNTP.

Since I never want to reply to a newsgroup posting by e-mail, I suppose 
it's possible that I once deleted the Reply button and somehow changed 
the text of "Follow up" to "Reply," but I don't remember doing that, and 
I just took a quick look and couldn't find a way to change a button's text.



-- 
Ken

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#167

WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> writes:

> By convention

I really doubt he'll see your message. Seem that you don't care about
conventions.

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#170

On 4/18/21 9:24 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net> writes:
> 
>> By convention
> 
> I really doubt he'll see your message. Seem that you don't care about
> conventions.
> 

Well, thanks for an explanation as to why he won't see my message.

I do.

-- 
OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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