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  Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-22 20:22 -0500
    Re: Need help with a filter dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-04-23 06:45 +0200
      Re: Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-23 16:58 -0500
        Re: Need help with a filter dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2021-04-24 04:55 +0200
          Re: Need help with a filter Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-25 12:13 +0000
            Re: Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-25 18:47 -0500
              Re: Need help with a filter Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-26 06:14 +0000
    Re: Need help with a filter Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-04-23 07:51 -0700
      Re: Need help with a filter Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-04-23 07:55 -0700
        Re: Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-23 17:02 -0500
      Re: Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-23 17:01 -0500
        Re: Need help with a filter Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-04-24 00:06 -0700
          Re: Need help with a filter Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> - 2021-04-24 19:56 -0500
          Re: Need help with a filter dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2021-04-25 05:48 +0000
            Re: Need help with a filter Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2021-04-25 06:59 +0000
              Re: Need help with a filter dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2021-04-26 00:47 +0000

#191 — Need help with a filter

I'm trying to filter posts that appear in chi.forsale.  This is a local 
only for sale group, and this damn jla forums has for years benefited 
off the group and posts here from people out of the area.  I checked 
years ago, and they are no where near the area.  They don't appear all 
the time, and I don't really know what causes these messages from their 
forum to get here.  I think there has been three now in the last couple 
days.  I'm going to post the source to see if anyone can spot anything I 
can filter on.  I believe I cannot use a custom filter, because that 
only allows for header information.  If I could filter on "Body" I would 
just eliminate anything having "www.jlaforums.com" in it.  Anybody got 
an idea how to not see this garbage anymore?
TIA

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Path: 
eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:59:08 -0500
Subject: Re: ***** HAMMER STRENGTH PLATE LOADED ABDOMINAL CRUNCH / 
PULLOVER *****
From: mkkntaylor@sbcglobal-dot-net.no-spam.invalid 
(mkkntaylor@sbcglobal.net)
Newsgroups: chi.forsale
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: newsSync 586899223
Message-ID: <Gs6dnQTcsqTxJBz9nZ2dnUU7-UPNnZ2d@giganews.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:59:08 -0500
Lines: 43
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: 
sv3-NsTG1nLs6lfQrcoNfF7QmLe2lhI4zLnIF2JkkrziHKfuKQKjAsRuM9dKs1bpQeNhI8JpvZeFkBKrb5u!XS7ebmt6vt2sjotPzStSbwTcYyj1fFiTLCoTLye3skfm9Bazf3cauEoZ8SKiRTqx7hQkojd9XZY=
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your 
complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
X-Original-Lines: 1
X-Original-Bytes: 2272
Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org chi.forsale:1438


  > OP wrote:
  > Up for sale is a Hammer Strength plate loaded abdominal crunch
machine. This item can be taken apart for easy transportation or
moving through the doors with limited access.
  >
  > The price is $1450.
  >
  > Please, don't ask if this item is still available. If this ad is
up, it is still for sale. I will only respond to the inquiries that
include both your name and the phone number, otherwise your email will
be deleted.
  >
  > Thank you for understanding.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Hi My name is Mark Taylor,
  > Please contact me about the Hammer Strength plate loaded abdominal
crunch machine.
  > mkkntaylor@sbcglobal.net
  > 925 250-1028
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  >
  > Cybex, Paramount, Nautilus, Precor, Icarian, Troy, Magnum, Matrix,
Life Fitness, Hammer Strength, Body Masters, Bodymasters, Technogym,
Hampton, Hoist, Flex Fitness, Matrix, Star Trac, Sorinex, Pro-Elite,
Power-Lift, Nebula, Pro Style Ivanko, Cemco, Intek, Urethane Iron
Grip, TKO, IGX, GPI, TAG, Leg Press, Plate Loaded, Olympic, Weights,
Dumbbell, Dumbell, Power Rack, Squat, Smith Machine, Adjustable Bench
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >


This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=552188113#552188113

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#192

On 4/23/2021 3:22 AM, Sticks wrote:
> I'm trying to filter posts that appear in chi.forsale.  This is a local 
> only for sale group, and this damn jla forums has for years benefited 
> off the group and posts here from people out of the area.  I checked 
> years ago, and they are no where near the area.  They don't appear 
all 
> the time, and I don't really know what causes these messages from their 

> forum to get here.  I think there has been three now in the last couple 
> days.  I'm going to post the source to see if anyone can spot anything I 
> can filter on.  I believe I cannot use a custom filter, because that 
> only allows for header information.  If I could filter on "Body" I 
would 
> just eliminate anything having "www.jlaforums.com" in it.  Anybody 
got 
> an idea how to not see this garbage anymore?
> TIA
> 
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> Path: 
> eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail 
> 
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:59:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: ***** HAMMER STRENGTH PLATE LOADED ABDOMINAL CRUNCH / 
> PULLOVER *****
> From: mkkntaylor@sbcglobal-dot-net.no-spam.invalid 
> (mkkntaylor@sbcglobal.net)
> Newsgroups: chi.forsale
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> User-Agent: newsSync 586899223
> Message-ID: <Gs6dnQTcsqTxJBz9nZ2dnUU7-UPNnZ2d@giganews.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:59:08 -0500
> Lines: 43
> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
> X-Trace: 
> sv3-NsTG1nLs6lfQrcoNfF7QmLe2lhI4zLnIF2JkkrziHKfuKQKjAsRuM9dKs1bpQeNhI8JpvZeFkBKrb5u!XS7ebmt6vt2sjotPzStSbwTcYyj1fFiTLCoTLye3skfm9Bazf3cauEoZ8SKiRTqx7hQkojd9XZY= 
> 
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
> X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
> X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
> X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your 
> complaint properly
> X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
> X-Original-Lines: 1
> X-Original-Bytes: 2272
> Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org chi.forsale:1438
> 
> 
>  > OP wrote:
>  > Up for sale is a Hammer Strength plate loaded abdominal crunch
> machine. This item can be taken apart for easy transportation or
> moving through the doors with limited access.
>  >
>  > The price is $1450.
>  >
>  > Please, don't ask if this item is still available. If this ad is
> up, it is still for sale. I will only respond to the inquiries that
> include both your name and the phone number, otherwise your email will
> be deleted.
>  >
>  > Thank you for understanding.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi My name is Mark Taylor,
>  > Please contact me about the Hammer Strength plate loaded abdominal
> crunch machine.
>  > mkkntaylor@sbcglobal.net
>  > 925 250-1028
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  >
>  >
>  > Cybex, Paramount, Nautilus, Precor, Icarian, Troy, Magnum, Matrix,
> Life Fitness, Hammer Strength, Body Masters, Bodymasters, Technogym,
> Hampton, Hoist, Flex Fitness, Matrix, Star Trac, Sorinex, Pro-Elite,
> Power-Lift, Nebula, Pro Style Ivanko, Cemco, Intek, Urethane Iron
> Grip, TKO, IGX, GPI, TAG, Leg Press, Plate Loaded, Olympic, Weights,
> Dumbbell, Dumbell, Power Rack, Squat, Smith Machine, Adjustable Bench
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> 
> 
> This is a response to the post seen at:
> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=552188113#552188113

Try filtering on User-Agent: newsSync, All 3 posts have it.
I don't know of any reader that uses it, could be the program they use 
to post their adds in news groups.

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#205

On 4/22/2021 11:45 PM, dillinger wrote:
> On 4/23/2021 3:22 AM, Sticks wrote:
> 
> Try filtering on User-Agent: newsSync, All 3 posts have it.
> I don't know of any reader that uses it, could be the program they use 
> to post their adds in news groups.

Yes, I saw that and had looked it up.  It is offered on the windows 
store.  It speaks of being a news reader, and I don't know exactly what 
the capabilities of this software is, but I think I'm going to go ahead 
and filter like you suggest.  I've never heard of anyone else using 
this.  I don't think many usenetters will be using this, even on a 
mobile device.  I just hate this jla forum doing this, so they will get 
filtered.

Thanks

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#214

On 4/23/2021 11:58 PM, Sticks wrote:
> On 4/22/2021 11:45 PM, dillinger wrote:
>> On 4/23/2021 3:22 AM, Sticks wrote:
>>
>> Try filtering on User-Agent: newsSync, All 3 posts have it.
>> I don't know of any reader that uses it, could be the program they use 

>> to post their adds in news groups.
> 
> Yes, I saw that and had looked it up.  It is offered on the windows 
> store.  It speaks of being a news reader, and I don't know exactly 
what 
> the capabilities of this software is, but I think I'm going to go ahead 

> and filter like you suggest.  I've never heard of anyone else using 
> this.  I don't think many usenetters will be using this, even on a 

> mobile device.  I just hate this jla forum doing this, so they will get 
> filtered.
> 
> Thanks
The NewsSync Beta offered on the Windows Store is an RSS reader.
Searching for generic names like this is always a bit of a PITA.

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#239

dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

> On 4/23/2021 11:58 PM, Sticks wrote:
>> On 4/22/2021 11:45 PM, dillinger wrote:
>>> On 4/23/2021 3:22 AM, Sticks wrote:
>>>
>>> Try filtering on User-Agent: newsSync, All 3 posts have it.
>>> I don't know of any reader that uses it, could be the program they use 
>
>>> to post their adds in news groups.
>> Yes, I saw that and had looked it up.  It is offered on the windows 
>> store.  It speaks of being a news reader, and I don't know exactly 
> what > the capabilities of this software is, but I think I'm going to
> go ahead 
>> and filter like you suggest.  I've never heard of anyone else using
>> this.  I don't think many usenetters will be using this, even on a 
>
>> mobile device.  I just hate this jla forum doing this, so they will
>> get filtered.
>> Thanks
> The NewsSync Beta offered on the Windows Store is an RSS reader.
> Searching for generic names like this is always a bit of a PITA.

Since messages are coming from some kind of web forum it's probably
this: <https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=434&t=682055>

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#240

On 4/25/2021 7:13 AM, Miguel Tomar Nogueira wrote:
> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:
> 

>> The NewsSync Beta offered on the Windows Store is an RSS reader.
>> Searching for generic names like this is always a bit of a PITA.
> 
> Since messages are coming from some kind of web forum it's probably
> this: <https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=434&t=682055>

Ha.  That forums post are over 13 years old.

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#245

Sticks <Wolverine01@charter.net> writes:

> On 4/25/2021 7:13 AM, Miguel Tomar Nogueira wrote:
>> dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:
>> 
>
>>> The NewsSync Beta offered on the Windows Store is an RSS reader.
>>> Searching for generic names like this is always a bit of a PITA.
>> Since messages are coming from some kind of web forum it's probably
>> this: <https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=434&t=682055>
>
> Ha.  That forums post are over 13 years old.

NNTP didn't change since then. A lot of Usenet software currently in use
is even older than that.

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#193

Sticks wrote:
> I'm trying to filter posts that appear in chi.forsale.

It would be nice if you could filter on a header which appears in the 
overview, but that is typically only:

Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

The situation about the bad actor using giganews, which is a popular 
paid provider for reasons principally related to retention and binary 
depth, because it isn't 'cheap', might be helpful.  Or might not be 
satisfactory.

A strategy for testing the filter would be to filter on such as the m-id 
and giga (giganews.com) and keep a filter log and see if you are 
accidentally filtering on those you don't want to.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#194

Mike Easter wrote:
> A strategy for testing the filter would be to filter on such as the m-id 
> and giga (giganews.com) and keep a filter log and see if you are 
> accidentally filtering on those you don't want to.

Also, if using a 'dicey' filter strategy, it is best to not 'delete' but 
to mark as read, so that you can view or not view what is so marked.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#207

On 4/23/2021 9:55 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> A strategy for testing the filter would be to filter on such as the 
>> m-id and giga (giganews.com) and keep a filter log and see if you are 
>> accidentally filtering on those you don't want to.
> 
> Also, if using a 'dicey' filter strategy, it is best to not 'delete' but 
> to mark as read, so that you can view or not view what is so marked.
>

I agree.  I never even knew you could "delete" a post until a few weeks 
ago.  I've always marked as read, and then ignored the thread.  Now I 
have a good reason to keep doing it that way.  Thank you.

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#206

On 4/23/2021 9:51 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Sticks wrote:
>> I'm trying to filter posts that appear in chi.forsale.
> 
> It would be nice if you could filter on a header which appears in the 
> overview, but that is typically only:
> 
> Subject:
> From:
> Date:
> Message-ID:
> References:
> Bytes:
> Lines:
> Xref:full

It would be nice if they figured out a way to filter posts on the 
content in the body of the message.  Don't know what would be involved, 
but surely I can't be the only person ever wanting to do this.

> 
> The situation about the bad actor using giganews, which is a popular 
> paid provider for reasons principally related to retention and binary 
> depth, because it isn't 'cheap', might be helpful.  Or might not be 
> satisfactory.
> 
> A strategy for testing the filter would be to filter on such as the m-id 
> and giga (giganews.com) and keep a filter log and see if you are 
> accidentally filtering on those you don't want to.
> 

As I said in other reply, I'm gonna filter on the agent.  I really don't 
want to filter giganews.

Thanks

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#215

Sticks wrote:
> It would be nice if they figured out a way to filter posts on the 
> content in the body of the message.  Don't know what would be involved, 
> but surely I can't be the only person ever wanting to do this.

In its default online mode, Tb doesn't 'see' the msg body until the msg 
is accessed into its cache by selecting it.

In order to filter 'effectively' on all of the headers besides those in 
the overview as well as the body, you need to put 'something' in between 
your Tb and the server, to function as a 'personal' local server for Tb 
which local personal news server carries that lifting.

Previously Win users use to use such as Hamster (Playground), but I 
don't think that is around anymore.  Linux users have used LeafNode. 
Some years ago when I wanted more power between Outlook Express and the 
news server, I used Nfilter/NewsProxy, also gone now for modern Win.



-- 
Mike Easter

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#229

On 4/24/2021 2:06 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Sticks wrote:
>> It would be nice if they figured out a way to filter posts on the 
>> content in the body of the message.  Don't know what would be 
>> involved, but surely I can't be the only person ever wanting to do this.
> 
> In its default online mode, Tb doesn't 'see' the msg body until the msg 
> is accessed into its cache by selecting it.
> 
> In order to filter 'effectively' on all of the headers besides those in 
> the overview as well as the body, you need to put 'something' in between 
> your Tb and the server, to function as a 'personal' local server for Tb 
> which local personal news server carries that lifting.
> 
> Previously Win users use to use such as Hamster (Playground), but I 
> don't think that is around anymore.  Linux users have used LeafNode. 
> Some years ago when I wanted more power between Outlook Express and the 
> news server, I used Nfilter/NewsProxy, also gone now for modern Win.

Ahh, that explains it.  I was unaware of the difficulty.

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#230

Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Previously Win users use to use such as Hamster (Playground), but I 
> don't think that is around anymore. 

It’s still around.

<http://www.tglsoft.de/freeware_hamster.html>

Website seems to be in German only, but I think the actual program is in
English. I vaguely remember that there used to be English version of the
website, too, but can’t find it anymore. I also think there was English
documentation shipped with the program. However, I remember that it was
really easy to setup, even if help file is missing now.

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#231

On 25 Apr 21 05:48:04 UTC dunno wrote:
>
>It’s still around.
>
><http://www.tglsoft.de/freeware_hamster.html>
>
>Website seems to be in German only, but I think the actual program is in
>English. I vaguely remember that there used to be English version of the
>website, too, but can’t find it anymore. I also think there was English
>documentation shipped with the program. However, I remember that it was
>really easy to setup, even if help file is missing now.

Yes, it's in English, perhaps written or contributed to by a German. 
Last update 2006. It's in Pascal. I took a brief look in the file 
cFilterNews.pas and it looks like it might filter on body text, but 
I'm not sure. 

I also looked at the leafnode docs yesterday. AFAICS it only filters 
on the header, though it will optionally load the whole article.

One could build a proxy that runs on the same computer as TB which
- changes every HEAD command to ARTICLE
- scans the body for a filter match
- if not found passes the header unchanged - dropping the body
- if found adds a special 'ignore' header for TB to find
-- 
(Remove numerics from email address)

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#242

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
> On 25 Apr 21 05:48:04 UTC dunno wrote:
>> 
>> It’s still around.
>> 
>> <http://www.tglsoft.de/freeware_hamster.html>
>> 
>> Website seems to be in German only, but I think the actual program is in
>> English. I vaguely remember that there used to be English version of the
>> website, too, but can’t find it anymore. I also think there was English
>> documentation shipped with the program. However, I remember that it was
>> really easy to setup, even if help file is missing now.
> 
> Yes, it's in English, perhaps written or contributed to by a German. 
> Last update 2006. It's in Pascal. I took a brief look in the file 
> cFilterNews.pas and it looks like it might filter on body text, but 
> I'm not sure. 

I’m pretty sure it can filter on body text, since Hamster is a local server
and it store both headers and bodies of articles locally.

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