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| Started by | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-06-22 13:30 +0800 |
| Last post | 2026-06-25 13:44 +0800 |
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Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 13:30 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 13:35 +0800
President Trump: Fire all those who replied me in this thread! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 13:44 +0800
Re: President Trump: Fire all those who replied me in this thread! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-25 20:25 +0100
Re: I said "Please ignore... wrong topic!!" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 13:34 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-22 07:23 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 17:47 +0700
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-22 22:22 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 19:40 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:33 +0000
Re: Delta updates is ... Steam client now dangerous?? Rapist? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:31 +0800
Re: Delta updates is ... Steam client now dangerous?? Rapist? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 19:59 +1000
Re: Delta updates is ... Steam client now dangerous?? Rapist? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 00:05 +0800
Re: Delta updates is ... Steam client now dangerous?? Rapist? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:32 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 21:13 +0700
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 22:36 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 08:35 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 18:53 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 12:30 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 19:55 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-06-22 15:40 +0200
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 21:43 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-06-22 16:19 +0200
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 23:24 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 23:42 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 16:49 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... Bogus Facebook website? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 01:31 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... Bogus Facebook website? Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2026-06-22 19:38 +0200
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... toys of God? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 01:42 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 01:44 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 19:02 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2026-06-22 20:14 +0200
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 02:27 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-23 17:55 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2026-06-23 19:15 +0200
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-23 18:35 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-06-23 17:51 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-23 19:04 +0100
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-06-23 18:39 +0000
OT: pedestrian crossings (was: Re: Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why?) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-23 23:35 +0100
Re: OT: pedestrian crossings (was: Re: Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why?) "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-06-24 05:15 +0000
Re: OT: pedestrian crossings <-- BANG!! BANG!! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:52 +0800
toylet.toylet@gmail.com is a complete asshole (was: OT: pedestrian crossings) "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-06-24 08:24 +0000
Re: toylet.toylet@gmail.com is a complete asshole "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 13:27 +0800
Re: OT: pedestrian crossings "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-24 12:36 +0200
Re: OT: pedestrian crossings "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-24 13:59 +0100
Re: OT: pedestrian crossings Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 20:28 +1000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 20:12 +1000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-06-24 13:22 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-25 00:26 +1000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... important? dull? why? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 20:07 +1000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous... gentleman called "God"? english standard in Usenet? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 13:32 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... philosophy, religion, faith, newsgroup? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:18 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... philosophy, religion, faith, newsgroup? Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 20:55 +1000
Re: Delta updates ... philosophy, religion, faith, newsgroup? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-06-24 15:26 +0200
Re: Delta updates ... philosophy, religion, faith, newsgroup? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 00:06 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:36 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:21 +0800
Re: Delta updates .... data, hash, computing, trust what? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 21:48 +0800
Re: Delta updates .... data, hash, computing, trust what? [OT] "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-06-22 16:21 +0200
Re: Delta updates .... data, hash, computing, trust what? [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 23:25 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 23:39 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-22 16:51 +0100
Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 01:18 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 02:07 +0000
Re: Delta updates ... Mozilla vs Mozilla products "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:22 +0800
Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:35 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:34 +0000
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 14:22 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 17:59 +0700
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 00:09 +0800
Re: Delta updates is dangerous! Download the executable from mozilla! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-24 21:10 +1000
Re: Delta updates is ... internet: the old vs the recent "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 00:08 +0800
President Trump: Fire all those who replied me in this thread! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 13:44 +0800
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-22 23:25 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates .... data, hash, computing, trust what? [OT] |
| Message-ID | <111bk4s$1k6u3$2@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21006 |
On 6/22/2026 10:21 PM, s|b wrote:
>
> Why are you adding more newsgroups to this crosspost without even
> mentioning it? Your behaviour lately is being more and more trollish.
Because the Web and the Internet are about transmitting data.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-22 23:39 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates |
| Message-ID | <111bkv0$1kfm6$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21002 |
On 6/22/2026 9:40 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 19:55:28 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2026 7:30 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> And computers are just my toys. :)
>
> So you don't check the hashes?
>
Also, also, also...
I don't write the Firefox delta update program. How does Firefox
GUARANTEE that nobody can intercept an internet connection and send it a
false delta update?
Can you answer this question? Do you work in the Firefox development
team? Do you check and trust Firefox's hashing method?
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-06-22 16:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates |
| Message-ID | <n9t3u9Ft35qU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21011 |
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: > How does Firefox GUARANTEE that nobody can intercept an internet > connection and send it a false delta update? by inspecting a digital signature that only mozilla can create. > Can you answer this question? Do you work in the Firefox development > team? Do you check and trust Firefox's hashing method? Look at the source code.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-23 01:18 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates |
| Message-ID | <111bqp6$1meno$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21014 |
On 6/22/2026 11:51 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:
>
>> How does Firefox GUARANTEE that nobody can intercept an internet
>> connection and send it a false delta update?
>
> by inspecting a digital signature that only mozilla can create.
> Look at the source code.
Must we trust Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird respectively?
Why can't we use tools like toys? Trust is not always important. :)
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 02:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates |
| Message-ID | <111fe4d$2mel4$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21016 |
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 01:18:30 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > Must we trust Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird respectively? Using them is your choice. Don’t want to trust them, don’t use them.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 14:22 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Mozilla vs Mozilla products |
| Message-ID | <111ft2b$2pui3$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21063 |
On 6/24/2026 10:07 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 01:18:30 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
>> Must we trust Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird respectively?
>
> Using them is your choice. Don’t want to trust them, don’t use them.
We trust the products of Mozilla, not Mozilla the brand. :)
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 01:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates ... Intercepting Firefox delta updates |
| Message-ID | <111fc9d$2lq9d$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21011 |
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 23:39:11 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > I don't write the Firefox delta update program. How does Firefox > GUARANTEE that nobody can intercept an internet connection and send > it a false delta update? This is why we use “https://” in all our URLs nowadays, instead of old “http://”.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 01:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111fc6v$2lq9d$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #20996 |
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 18:53:01 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > What if someone intecepted your internet connection and send a > non-official delta update to your official Thunderbird/Firefox? As long as you get the signatures/hashes from the authentic site, you can get the actual download from wherever you like. So long as the signature verifies, you know it’s authentic.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 14:22 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <111ft31$2pui3$4@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21060 |
On 6/24/2026 9:34 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 18:53:01 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
>> What if someone intecepted your internet connection and send a
>> non-official delta update to your official Thunderbird/Firefox?
>
> As long as you get the signatures/hashes from the authentic site, you
> can get the actual download from wherever you like. So long as the
> signature verifies, you know it’s authentic.
That's a lot of trust. :)
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/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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| From | JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 17:59 +0700 |
| Message-ID | <1woeyjmqn7wid$.1s63kw2yd3gji.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #21068 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 14:22:24 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 6/24/2026 9:34 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 18:53:01 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >> >>> What if someone intecepted your internet connection and send a >>> non-official delta update to your official Thunderbird/Firefox? >> >> As long as you get the signatures/hashes from the authentic site, you >> can get the actual download from wherever you like. So long as the >> signature verifies, you know it’s authentic. > > That's a lot of trust. :) That's the point. It doesn't mean anything when the software creator's computer is compromised. Or if the creator himself is the problem. Not saying that, one of Firefox contributors is, but it applies to any software. Kind of like a double agent where he has an authentic badge and registration, but has entirely different goal. Authenticate all you want. You'll always get an authentic agent. But it won't end well.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 00:09 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <111gvgf$34kob$9@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21085 |
On 6/24/2026 6:59 PM, JJ wrote:
>
> It doesn't mean anything when the software creator's computer is
> compromised. Or if the creator himself is the problem. Not saying that, one
> of Firefox contributors is, but it applies to any software.
>
> Kind of like a double agent where he has an authentic badge and
> registration, but has entirely different goal. Authenticate all you want.
> You'll always get an authentic agent. But it won't end well.
Think about your parents, your lover, classmates, workmates, your
government .... friends might suddenly become foes!! :)
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 21:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <111gdum$2v5cj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21068 |
On 24/06/2026 4:22 pm, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 6/24/2026 9:34 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 18:53:01 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >> >>> What if someone intecepted your internet connection and send a >>> non-official delta update to your official Thunderbird/Firefox? >> >> As long as you get the signatures/hashes from the authentic site, you >> can get the actual download from wherever you like. So long as the >> signature verifies, you know it’s authentic. > > That's a lot of trust. :) > Then DON'T do it!! -- Daniel70
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 00:08 +0800 |
| Subject | Re: Delta updates is ... internet: the old vs the recent |
| Message-ID | <111gvd5$34kob$8@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #21086 |
On 6/24/2026 7:10 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 24/06/2026 4:22 pm, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> As long as you get the signatures/hashes from the authentic site, you
>>> can get the actual download from wherever you like. So long as the
>>> signature verifies, you know it’s authentic.
>>
>> That's a lot of trust. :)
>>
> Then DON'T do it!!
Remember the old days of WWW? No worry about the troubles we got now.
Let's turn back time! :)
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/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 13:44 +0800 |
| Subject | President Trump: Fire all those who replied me in this thread! |
| Message-ID | <111if7h$3hsjk$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #20984 |
President Trump: Fire all those who replied me in this thread!
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/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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