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Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:13 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 13:31 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Th"?? Court in progress?? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:07 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:27 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:39 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 01:13 -0400
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:09 +0200
OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 19:34 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-04 17:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:11 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:38 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:35 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:13 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:11 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 04:20 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 02:14 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 06:27 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:12 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 07:35 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:42 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 17:00 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-09 17:34 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 15:58 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-07-10 10:32 -0500
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-10 21:57 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 13:28 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 17:24 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:42 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-11 11:02 +0000
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 20:58 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:38 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:02 +0200
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 06:51 -0700
Re: OT ... leg muscle memory? kicks? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 18:50 +0800
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 21:31 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-07 15:29 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 01:00 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:00 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2026-07-10 08:05 +0100
OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 16:24 +0100
Re: OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2026-07-10 21:29 +0100
Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 19:07 -0700
Re: OT: Britain "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-11 21:10 +0100
Re: OT: Britain T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:44 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:19 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 18:06 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 20:02 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-09 00:06 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-10 00:45 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 20:17 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-06 04:33 -0400
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 11:37 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-06 11:48 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:15 -0700
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 18:26 +0100
Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:53 -0400
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 10:40 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 18:38 +0000
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 13:22 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-07-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Fixed a wild one! Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2026-07-04 15:28 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-04 23:19 +0100
Re: Fixed a wild one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 19:05 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild one! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:38 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild one! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-07-06 20:50 +1000
Re: What is "Th"? "Tb"? Rare-earth elements? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:26 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 20:42 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:13 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:00 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 14:01 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 00:01 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 17:22 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 12:23 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 08:10 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:46 -0700
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-09 16:22 +0800
Re: Fixed a wild ... Thunderbird? Bogus Thunderbird? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 02:14 -0700
KAMEN RIDER MY-TH | Official Teaser - YouTube "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 21:38 +0800
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:57 +0800
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 19:50 -0700
Re: Fixed ... [OT] "Jörg voice"? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 20:16 -0700
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 18:00 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112pg7e$r6lh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21351 |
On 7/9/26 5:00 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/9 7:15:11, T wrote: >> On 7/7/26 3:29 PM, Mike Easter wrote: >>> J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> there are parts of Canada well south of parts of the USA >>> >>> ... and London, ON, .ca is way S of London UK; ~43 deg N vs ~51.5 deg N. >>> >>> You'd have to go all the way up to someplace like Prince Albert, SK, .ca >>> to be in the 50s deg N like London. >> >> London??? You are not safe either: >> >> 1) cuppa and it is overcast again >> 2) cuppa and dang it is raining again >> 3) cuppa and more rain! >> 5) cuppa and DAMN! >> 6) cappa and what is that blinding thing >> in the sky, oh it is gone. >> > 1. Not all Brits drink tea all the time (I don't dislike it, but can't > remember last time I had any). >> > 2. Although it rains more in Britain than some parts of the US, it > varies considerably west to east, and (less so) north to south; it's > wettest to the north-west, where the lake district is, and the western > parts of Scotland. (Ireland is even wetter - why do you think it's > called the emerald isle?) Parts of the south-east have similar rainfall > to Israel; It rains all the time in Israel too???? > it doesn't _look_ like Israel because we get less sun and > heat in general, but it can go weeks (occasionally months) with little > rain. (We - I'm in Kent, the south-east corner - have our usual summer > hosepipe ban at the moment.) London is more or less south-east: it does > rain there, but around June to August, very little. (Google the rainfall > and sun figures and compare them to where _you_ live.) >> But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All the time too! I have even asked Brits I know for tea recommendations! I think I will go have a cuppa myself to relieve my angst!
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| From | Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-10 08:05 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <5cf6157f58dnews@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #21354 |
In article <112pg7e$r6lh$1@dont-email.me>, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: [Snippy] > But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All > the time too! I have even asked Brits I know for > tea recommendations! A lot of UK "English" prefer to drink coffee... Because of the Football thing going on ATM., apparently that's been superseded by millions of pints of beer. (How awfully plebeian) :-) > I think I will go have a cuppa myself to relieve my angst! Usually it's a case of have a cuppa tea, then relieve the bladder. ;-) Well it is at my age. :-/ D.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-10 16:24 +0100 |
| Subject | OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) |
| Message-ID | <112r2qr$1a6ug$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21354 |
On 2026/7/10 2:0:28, T wrote: > On 7/9/26 5:00 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> 2. Although it rains more in Britain than some parts of the US, it >> varies considerably west to east, and (less so) north to south; it's >> wettest to the north-west, where the lake district is, and the western >> parts of Scotland. (Ireland is even wetter - why do you think it's >> called the emerald isle?) Parts of the south-east have similar rainfall >> to Israel; > > It rains all the time in Israel too???? No: it doesn't rain all the time in Britain. for example: Based on regional averages, here is the typical monthly precipitation for London: Month Average Rainfall (mm) Average Rain Days (≥ 1 mm) January 44 - 55 10 - 11 February 39 - 40 8 - 9 March 36 - 38 8 - 9 April 38 - 45 8 - 9 May 44 - 50 8 - 9 June 45 - 53 8 - 9 July 44 - 45 7 - 8 August 49 - 58 8 September 49 - 56 8 October 70 - 89 10 - 11 November 58 - 72 11 December 52 - 55 10 - 11 So that's less than two inches most months; also note that they're classing a rain day as one with over a millimetre, so that's not _really_ a rain day. OK, it's a lot more than Arizona and Nevada. For comparison: Climate New York - New York Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Days with precipitation 11 10 12 11 11 10 Av. precipitation in inch 3.90 2.95 4.06 3.94 4.45 3.50 Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Days with precipitation 11 10 8 8 9 10 Av. precipitation in inch 4.53 4.13 3.98 3.39 3.82 3.58 (Note that they still use inches, and they don't say what counts as a "Day with precipitation".) [] > But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All When Americans are watching (-: It varies widely with - well, more or less everything, but area is probably the biggest; the north of England in general drinks more tea than the south, where (instant) coffee is the default drink. (For a novel way to make it, see the tea lorry (94 seconds): https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1628733521148739584.) > the time too! I have even asked Brits I know for > tea recommendations! Some expatriate Brits may make a point of it, as some sort of pride thing. (Which doesn't really make sense, as it's not a British crop! Though having said that, I _did_ see an article on telly yesterday about growing it here - but the season is very short, as apparently it doesn't do anything below ten degrees.) > > I think I will go have a cuppa myself to relieve > my angst! :-) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf WANTED, Dead AND Alive: Schrodinger's Cat
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2026-07-10 21:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Britain (was: Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one!) |
| Message-ID | <q3l25lh3pvdupq4lq00n80ksjfv82orijl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21360 |
On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 16:24:11 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>On 2026/7/10 2:0:28, T wrote:
>> On 7/9/26 5:00 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>[]
>>> 2. Although it rains more in Britain than some parts of the US, it
>>> varies considerably west to east, and (less so) north to south; it's
>>> wettest to the north-west, where the lake district is, and the western
>>> parts of Scotland. (Ireland is even wetter - why do you think it's
>>> called the emerald isle?)
It's from a poem:
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/ireland-emerald-isle
apparently.
Okay, so the poem may be due in part to wet green vegetation covering
the place but *lots* of places have wet, green, vegetation-soaked
bits, even England.
And England is part of an "isle" or island. Well, she used to be when
there was an England. :)
Eire is "The Emerald Isle" for the same reason that places in USAlia
get called "The Big Apple" and "The Swamp".
It's a nickname.
Like calling a three-metre tall, 600 kg bloke "Tiny".
J.
>:-)
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-10 19:07 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Britain |
| Message-ID | <112s8ht$1ms77$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21360 |
On 7/10/26 8:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/10 2:0:28, T wrote: >> On 7/9/26 5:00 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > [] >>> 2. Although it rains more in Britain than some parts of the US, it >>> varies considerably west to east, and (less so) north to south; it's >>> wettest to the north-west, where the lake district is, and the western >>> parts of Scotland. (Ireland is even wetter - why do you think it's >>> called the emerald isle?) Parts of the south-east have similar rainfall >>> to Israel; >> >> It rains all the time in Israel too???? > > No: it doesn't rain all the time in Britain. for example: > > Based on regional averages, here is the typical monthly precipitation > for London: > Month Average Rainfall (mm) Average Rain Days (≥ 1 mm) > January 44 - 55 10 - 11 > February 39 - 40 8 - 9 > March 36 - 38 8 - 9 > April 38 - 45 8 - 9 > May 44 - 50 8 - 9 > June 45 - 53 8 - 9 > July 44 - 45 7 - 8 > August 49 - 58 8 > September 49 - 56 8 > October 70 - 89 10 - 11 > November 58 - 72 11 > December 52 - 55 10 - 11 > > So that's less than two inches most months; also note that they're > classing a rain day as one with over a millimetre, so that's not > _really_ a rain day. > > OK, it's a lot more than Arizona and Nevada. > > For comparison: > Climate New York - New York > > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun > Days with precipitation > 11 10 12 11 11 10 > Av. precipitation in inch > 3.90 2.95 4.06 3.94 4.45 3.50 > > Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec > Days with precipitation > 11 10 8 8 9 10 > Av. precipitation in inch > 4.53 4.13 3.98 3.39 3.82 3.58 > > (Note that they still use inches, and they don't say what counts as a > "Day with precipitation".) > [] >> But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All > > When Americans are watching (-: > > It varies widely with - well, more or less everything, but area is > probably the biggest; the north of England in general drinks more tea > than the south, where (instant) coffee is the default drink. > > (For a novel way to make it, see the tea lorry (94 seconds): > https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1628733521148739584.) > >> the time too! I have even asked Brits I know for >> tea recommendations! > > Some expatriate Brits may make a point of it, as some sort of pride > thing. (Which doesn't really make sense, as it's not a British crop! > Though having said that, I _did_ see an article on telly yesterday about > growing it here - but the season is very short, as apparently it doesn't > do anything below ten degrees.) >> >> I think I will go have a cuppa myself to relieve >> my angst! > > :-) You do know I was pulling your leg?
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 21:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Britain |
| Message-ID | <112u804$2adi4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21367 |
On 2026/7/11 3:7:57, T wrote: > On 7/10/26 8:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> No: it doesn't rain all the time in Britain. for example: >> >> Based on regional averages, here is the typical monthly precipitation >> for London: [] >> So that's less than two inches most months; also note that they're >> classing a rain day as one with over a millimetre, so that's not >> _really_ a rain day. [] >> Climate New York - New York [] >> (Note that they still use inches, and they don't say what counts as a >> "Day with precipitation".) >> [] >>> But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All >> >> When Americans are watching (-: [] >> :-) > > You do know I was pulling your leg? Yes, but I thought it's such a common misconception - about the rain, anyway, though the tea too - that I thought it'd be interesting to look up the figures. I just picked a US city at random - New York was the first one I thought of; I was quite surprised to find that NY is actually about twice as wet as London (England). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf So much to do. So little desire to do it.
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-11 14:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Britain |
| Message-ID | <112udfi$2c2od$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21385 |
On 7/11/26 1:10 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/11 3:7:57, T wrote: >> On 7/10/26 8:24 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > [] >>> No: it doesn't rain all the time in Britain. for example: >>> >>> Based on regional averages, here is the typical monthly precipitation >>> for London: > [] >>> So that's less than two inches most months; also note that they're >>> classing a rain day as one with over a millimetre, so that's not >>> _really_ a rain day. > [] >>> Climate New York - New York > [] >>> (Note that they still use inches, and they don't say what counts as a >>> "Day with precipitation".) >>> [] >>>> But, but, but, but I thought ALL Brits drank tea!!!! All >>> >>> When Americans are watching (-: > [] >>> :-) >> >> You do know I was pulling your leg? > > Yes, but I thought it's such a common misconception - about the rain, > anyway, though the tea too - that I thought it'd be interesting to look > up the figures. I just picked a US city at random - New York was the > first one I thought of; I was quite surprised to find that NY is > actually about twice as wet as London (England). It is not so much fun if there is not an element of falsehood involved. Canada is not always cold. They can have some rather hot summers too. Melts their neighborhood glaciers faster. So I have to use the term "Fancy a coffee?" now?
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 18:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112phai$re1n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21351 |
On 7/9/26 5:00 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/7/9 7:15:11, T wrote: >> On 7/7/26 3:29 PM, Mike Easter wrote: >>> J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> there are parts of Canada well south of parts of the USA >>> >>> ... and London, ON, .ca is way S of London UK; ~43 deg N vs ~51.5 deg N. >>> >>> You'd have to go all the way up to someplace like Prince Albert, SK, .ca >>> to be in the 50s deg N like London. >> >> London??? You are not safe either: >> >> 1) cuppa and it is overcast again >> 2) cuppa and dang it is raining again >> 3) cuppa and more rain! >> 5) cuppa and DAMN! >> 6) cappa and what is that blinding thing >> in the sky, oh it is gone. >> > 1. Not all Brits drink tea all the time (I don't dislike it, but can't > remember last time I had any). >> > 2. Although it rains more in Britain than some parts of the US, it > varies considerably west to east, and (less so) north to south; it's > wettest to the north-west, where the lake district is, and the western > parts of Scotland. (Ireland is even wetter - why do you think it's > called the emerald isle?) Parts of the south-east have similar rainfall > to Israel; it doesn't _look_ like Israel because we get less sun and > heat in general, but it can go weeks (occasionally months) with little > rain. (We - I'm in Kent, the south-east corner - have our usual summer > hosepipe ban at the moment.) London is more or less south-east: it does > rain there, but around June to August, very little. (Google the rainfall > and sun figures and compare them to where _you_ live.) >> We subscribe to "Brit Box" on Roku. About half of the outdoor scenes we see you can tell it is raining. (Behinds the scenes will show them acting under large umbrellas.) You have to put up with the occasional snotty remark about Americans, but I have not seen that in weeks. The better shows do not do that. And when it does happen, we just ignore it. The last two "Red Eye's" ware really compelling.
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 18:06 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112ms71$1reg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21328 |
On 7/7/26 1:31 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > (_Very_ OT) > > On 2026/7/7 9:20:24, Paul wrote: >> On Mon, 7/6/2026 4:11 PM, T wrote: >> >>> Floods from broken ice dams can be a total disaster. >>> Pretty blue water though. >>> >>> It is my recollection that our esteemed neighbor to the >>> north has five distinct climate zones: >>> >>> 1) cold >>> 2) colder yet >>> 3) really cold >>> 4) arctic >>> 5) DAMN! >> >> This may be true, but the temperature distribution >> is not monotonically-falling as you go North. The pattern > > Even if it did, there are parts of Canada well south of parts of the USA > (and I'm _not_ talking Alaska). > >> "doesn't make sense". When my sister has a -40C day, > > When you're talking about -40, you can leave off the C. > >> it can be warmer in the arctic, and she is well below the arctic circle. >> >> I think my sisters place, it starts to snow around end of September. > > (Where I am - mid-Kent, which is SE England - we sometimes have a > snow-free winter. OK, we nearly always get some snow, but some years it > never lies.) > [] >> And in the Arctic now, they can be wearing short sleeve shirts > > Ah, the only "right to bare arms" I accept :-) > [] >> The Arctic has had more temperature shift and change than >> other areas due to climate change. In the summer, they would > > You do realise that by using those two words, a fair proportion of your > US readers will ignore you :-( > [] >> Even perception of temperature is weird. I went out to Cali on business, >> and on weekend, I decided to go to the beach. I was wearing shorts and >> Tshirt. Well, people there, are riding horses along the beach, they're >> wearing jeans and heavier clothing up top. And I'm thinking "you must >> be boiling in that outfit", for as an East Coaster, the day was plenty >> warm and no complaint. > > Yes, I'm a northerner (by English standards) - I wear shorts and sandals > all year round; the locals here ask me if I'm not cold (which is an odd > question; if I was, I'd wear more!). The amount of wind is also > significant, and - at least in the case of hot weather - the humidity. >> >> On the East Coast, if you travel through the woods (on the way to your > > Look out for one of these - just 27 seconds, and pure internet: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Pv4c4Qz9w > [] >> If you live in Newfoundland, snow can cover one or both doors on >> your house. If you buy or build a house, make sure the second floor >> window opens big enough so you can jump out :-) Then you have to >> shovel your way back through the drift, to get back into the house. >> For anyone who jumps into snow like that (I've done this a few times), >> you have to be careful where you're jumping. You have to know >> where the hard pack is, where the soft snow is. You can't just >> jump any old place, or you'll hurt yourself. I've done a lot of >> tunneling in snow, never had a collapse or come near suffocation. >> I'm pretty proud of my safety record in snow :-) > > Here are a couple (10 and 12 seconds) of how that looks/feels: > https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/2006361007451672999 > https://x.com/SallyBourliakas/status/2004904639741968572 >> >> So that's a quick trip around the country. There were no snow drifts >> in BC, in the place that got the 47C heat dome. I consider that to >> be one "anomalous" temperature record. That's just not normal. >> >> Paul > > (Currently getting too much heat here (UK); we haven't reached +40C here > yet, but I suspect we will before summer's out. (Currently 26 outside > according to my in/out, at 21:31.) Dudes! I was giving Paul a bad time. Nothing was serious.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 20:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112n313$3c2d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21336 |
On 7/8/26 18:06, T wrote:
> On 7/7/26 1:31 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> (_Very_ OT)
>> On 2026/7/7 9:20:24, Paul wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7/6/2026 4:11 PM, T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Floods from broken ice dams can be a total disaster.
>>>> Pretty blue water though.
>>>>
>>>> It is my recollection that our esteemed neighbor to the
>>>> north has five distinct climate zones:
>>>>
>>>> 1) cold
>>>> 2) colder yet
>>>> 3) really cold
>>>> 4) arctic
>>>> 5) DAMN!
>>>
>>> This may be true, but the temperature distribution
>>> is not monotonically-falling as you go North. The pattern
>>
>> Even if it did, there are parts of Canada well south of parts of the USA
>> (and I'm _not_ talking Alaska).
>>
>>> "doesn't make sense". When my sister has a -40C day,
>>
>> When you're talking about -40, you can leave off the C.
>>
>>> it can be warmer in the arctic, and she is well below the arctic circle.
>>>
>>> I think my sisters place, it starts to snow around end of September.
>>
>> (Where I am - mid-Kent, which is SE England - we sometimes have a
>> snow-free winter. OK, we nearly always get some snow, but some years it
>> never lies.)
>> []
>>> And in the Arctic now, they can be wearing short sleeve shirts
>>
>> Ah, the only "right to bare arms" I accept :-)
>> []
>>> The Arctic has had more temperature shift and change than
>>> other areas due to climate change. In the summer, they would
>>
>> You do realise that by using those two words, a fair proportion of your
>> US readers will ignore you :-(
>> []
>>> Even perception of temperature is weird. I went out to Cali on business,
>>> and on weekend, I decided to go to the beach. I was wearing shorts and
>>> Tshirt. Well, people there, are riding horses along the beach, they're
>>> wearing jeans and heavier clothing up top. And I'm thinking "you must
>>> be boiling in that outfit", for as an East Coaster, the day was plenty
>>> warm and no complaint.
Anybody who rides a motorcycle in shorts+tshirt is asking for trouble.
Perhaps the same goes with horses. When I was a kid my cousin and I
went to stables and rented unwilling horses to ride down in the wash for
$1 or $2/hour. (I thought it would be cool to do that again and couldn't
find a single place that offered individual horse rental. Riding
lessons? HAH, the horses knew what to do!) We always wore jeans and
probably long-sleeve plaid flannel shirts, which was our uniform anyway.
Plus it's always a lot warmer right down next to the sand than it is 6
feet up.
>> Yes, I'm a northerner (by English standards) - I wear shorts and sandals
>> all year round; the locals here ask me if I'm not cold (which is an odd
>> question; if I was, I'd wear more!). The amount of wind is also
>> significant, and - at least in the case of hot weather - the humidity.
>>>
>>> On the East Coast, if you travel through the woods (on the way to your
>>
>> Look out for one of these - just 27 seconds, and pure internet:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Pv4c4Qz9w
>> []
>>> If you live in Newfoundland, snow can cover one or both doors on
>>> your house. If you buy or build a house, make sure the second floor
>>> window opens big enough so you can jump out :-) Then you have to
>>> shovel your way back through the drift, to get back into the house.
>>> For anyone who jumps into snow like that (I've done this a few times),
>>> you have to be careful where you're jumping. You have to know
>>> where the hard pack is, where the soft snow is. You can't just
>>> jump any old place, or you'll hurt yourself. I've done a lot of
>>> tunneling in snow, never had a collapse or come near suffocation.
>>> I'm pretty proud of my safety record in snow :-)
What about leaving a long ladder up all winter?
>> Here are a couple (10 and 12 seconds) of how that looks/feels:
>> https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/2006361007451672999
>> https://x.com/SallyBourliakas/status/2004904639741968572
Hard to see how the cat would get out of a 6-foot drift.
>>> So that's a quick trip around the country. There were no snow drifts
>>> in BC, in the place that got the 47C heat dome. I consider that to
>>> be one "anomalous" temperature record. That's just not normal.
>>
>> (Currently getting too much heat here (UK); we haven't reached +40C here
>> yet, but I suspect we will before summer's out. (Currently 26 outside
>> according to my in/out, at 21:31.)
>
> Dudes! I was giving Paul a bad time. Nothing was serious.
Irrelevant. This is one of those conversations that Chris Ilias would
have throttled immediately. Weather -- or climate, if you're thinking
long-term -- is of vital interest to us all!
--
Cheers, Bev
"The primary purpose of any government entity
is to employ the unemployable."
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-09 00:06 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112n6p1$4bp5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21336 |
On Wed, 7/8/2026 9:06 PM, T wrote: > > Dudes! I was giving Paul a bad time. Nothing was serious. You can tell it's summer here now. https://www.garnet-hill.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/hawaiian-shirt-day.jpg Paul
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 23:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112neam$673f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21338 |
On 7/8/26 9:06 PM, Paul wrote: > On Wed, 7/8/2026 9:06 PM, T wrote: > >> >> Dudes! I was giving Paul a bad time. Nothing was serious. > > You can tell it's summer here now. > > https://www.garnet-hill.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/hawaiian-shirt-day.jpg > > Paul > > Love it!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-10 00:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112pbrn$jugu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21336 |
On 2026/7/9 2:6:41, T wrote: [] > Dudes! I was giving Paul a bad time. Nothing was serious. > All of my contributions to this OT were intended to be light-hearted (though not untrue). > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 20:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112f6oq$1ktho$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21265 |
On 7/5/26 6:38 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome. > It's not all snow! Rome has glaciers too ????
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 04:33 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112fp8m$1praq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21282 |
On Sun, 7/5/2026 11:17 PM, T wrote:
> On 7/5/26 6:38 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Still OT: note that bits of Canada are on the same Latitude as Rome.
>> It's not all snow!
>
> Rome has glaciers too ????
The AI (Goog-Gemma) gives this summary.
Skiing in Italy offers world-class terrain, vibrant mountain culture,
and exceptional food, often at a fraction of the cost of France or
Switzerland. The prime season runs from December to April, with key
destinations like
Dolomiti Superski providing access to over 1,200 km of interconnected slopes.
Top Ski Regions & Resorts
Cortina d’Ampezzo (The Dolomites): Known as the "Queen of the Dolomites" and
a host for the 2026 Winter Olympics. It offers stunning, sheer limestone cliffs
and elegant village amenities.
Val Gardena: Located in the heart of the Dolomites, this resort connects directly
to the famous Sella Ronda ski circuit. It is highly rated for its
traditional alpine villages and varied slopes.
Breuil-Cervinia: Sharing a massive cross-border ski area with Zermatt, Switzerland,
Cervinia boasts some of the highest, most snow-sure pisted skiing
in Europe (up to 3,899 meters).
Via Lattea (Milky Way): Spanning across the Italian-French border, this vast 400 km
network features major resorts like Sestriere and Sauze d'Oulx. It's excellent
for big-mileage cruisers and those on a budget.
Courmayeur: Nestled right beneath Mont Blanc in the Aosta Valley, this chic resort
blends high-end Italian fashion with incredible freeride terrain and
sun-soaked runs. <=== um, when it says that, take UV precautions, wear a hat and
your usual double-layer protective goggles (NOT sun glasses)
You can be burned six ways from sunday, at high altitude and
cloudless sky.
Even Australia has skiing. Which suggests they have mountains. Their ski instructors
come to Canada, on the Australian off-season (their summer is our winter).
I've taken ski lessons from an Aussie.
So anyway, Italy has cold spots. You'll need further research to find out
how useful they are (length of season, glacial or not).
Paul
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 11:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112gsl8$266j9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21285 |
On 7/6/26 01:33, Paul wrote:
> Even Australia has skiing. Which suggests they have mountains. Their
> ski instructors come to Canada, on the Australian off-season (their
> summer is our winter). I've taken ski lessons from an Aussie.
They come to Murrika too.
> So anyway, Italy has cold spots. You'll need further research to
> find out how useful they are (length of season, glacial or not).
There's a ski resort 25 crow-miles from Las Vegas. Vegas was 114F at 2am
when we stopped for gas once.
--
Cheers, Bev
"To turn is to admit defeat." -- Hugh Grierson
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 11:48 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <nb2bk6Fu17gU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21297 |
The Real Bev wrote: > > There's a ski resort 25 crow-miles from Las Vegas. Vegas was 114F at > 2am when we stopped for gas once. > wp: > Lee Canyon, 35 miles (56 km) northwest of Las Vegas, > The base lodge is situated at the base of Lee Peak (11,289 feet or > 3,441 metres), > Las Vegas is situated in a basin on the floor of the Mojave Desert, > [37] and is surrounded by mountain ranges. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Las_Vegas_Ski_and_Snowboard_Resort_%288328257365%29.jpg/960px-Las_Vegas_Ski_and_Snowboard_Resort_%288328257365%29.jpg or https://shorturl.at/nSgV4 -- Mike Easter
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 10:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112e3fe$16pln$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21259 |
On 7/4/26 16:34, Paul wrote: > On Sat, 7/4/2026 1:40 PM, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 7/3/26 22:13, Paul wrote: >> >>> I was busy today. >>> >>> Canada has had some wild weather, and I have to remove stuff >>> from the basement, after a flood. That's my new hobby. Today, >>> I got the last carpet out from down there. >> >> A few days ago I bought some tomatoes at Aldi that came from Canada. Most of our fruit/veg in Kalifornia comes from south of the border. >> I assume they were grown in some sort of hothouse since the plants seem to like it hot. Do you or your friends grow tomatoes outside? >> > > Someone even attempted to grow pineapple here. Southern California here. People try to grow pineapples by cutting off the top and planting it. Some have posted photos of the positive result. I suspect photoshop. > Growing tomato does not require a hothouse. > We used to grow them at home. We also grew grapes > and rhubarb in the back yard. And the situation back > then would not be described as "hot". Our summers used to top out at maybe 105F occasionally. Recently that temp is common. Most of my cherry tomato plants get eaten during the night, but the survivors seem happy as long as they have enough water. I've got 4 Sweet 100 variant plants producing a lot of little tomatolets now, but unlike the rest of the country and Europe the weather has been pretty mild -- 80F+ in the afternoon. I know we'll pay for it later, but it's nice now. Concord grapes are REALLY happy. > I don't think a tomato plant would last too long, > in a heat wave. You have to take care of your tomatoes. > I've seen too many parched ones, to hold out hope > for people who "plant and come back four months > later expecting product". You can't do that :-) Who does that? Commercial growers? I water everything every other day (I kill a lot of succulents and orchids) but there are limits to my concern. If they don't like it they can just pull up their damn roots and move. I tell them about my neighbors who deliberately killed their front yards and left bare dirt. I tell the houseplants about garbage disposals. > Cedar likes heat-days. Corn likes heat-days. > A lot of other succulent plants are not happy in > brutal conditions. I've got a lot of succulents. I'm amazed that stores actually SELL them. Trader Joe especially. If anybody wants stapelia seeds send me email and I'll send some next time. > So we have that tried and true recipe for grass seed in this > zone. So what does the hardware store go and do. They buy > a mono-culture of something that doesn't grow here. I planted > some of that, to cover some "tire tracks", yes, it grew, it > grew faster than the regular lawn. Then when winter came, all > that grass... "died". People plant 'winter rye' here when other grass goes dormant. It's beautiful, grows fast, demands frequent water and cutting and then dies in the spring. Full employment for yard workers. > Nothing sprouted in spring. And that's what > happens when a buyer for a company, tries to cheap out and buy > what is more or less "weed seed". Instead of a proper grass mix. > You can only get decent grass seed, at the garden store. When we moved in 57 years ago we had a lovely dichondra lawn. That lasted about a month, although some still comes up in shaded areas that get enough water. No idea where it came from, but Kikuyu grass and "devilgrass" (common Bermuda) took over. I throw out more devilgrass seeds every once in a while and give the yard just enough water to stay alive, but the soil is compacted and water mostly runs off. If I actually wanted a nice lawn (which would be considered sinful here where cities pay the residents to kill their nice lawns) it would take far more work than I'm willing to put in. On a trip to DC I was chatting with a woman from Cleveland who asked me what we Kalifornians did in the summer when it never rained. I had to explain faucets and hoses... -- Cheers, Bev Some people just can't be helped; you take 'em out of the rat race for 5 minutes and they end up missing the rats! --XR650LDave
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <navidrFh5gpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21268 |
The Real Bev wrote: > Southern California here. People try to grow pineapples by cutting off > the top and planting it. Some have posted photos of the positive > result. I suspect photoshop. I think that's how people have grown "pirate" versions of pinkglow[TM] pineapples <https://youtu.be/LN7I0aET6sY>
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 13:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT -- Re: Fixed a wild one! |
| Message-ID | <112e5ml$19a0s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21268 |
On Sun, 7/5/2026 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On a trip to DC I was chatting with a woman from Cleveland
> who asked me what we Kalifornians did in the summer when it
> never rained. I had to explain faucets and hoses...
Well, here, the water pressure isn't high enough to run
a three-ring watering circus. Consequently, I can't even
pretend to care about the lawn :-)
Paul
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