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Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account

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On 5/30/2021 10:53 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>> I set it so that a copy of all received gmail message also went to my 
>>>> main accounts inbox.
>>> 
>>> Gmail webmail/ Settings gear icon/ All settings/ Forwarding & IMAP/POP
>>> tab/ Forwarding:
>> 
>> When I get there, I see a button for "Add a forwarding address," but 
>> there's no choice for "disable forwarding."
> 
> You need to add a forwarding address before the forwarding option
> becomes available whether to enable or disable it.  Without adding a
> forwarding e-mail address, the forwarding option is meaningless.
> 
> If you look at the forwarding settings, you'll also see the following
> note: "Tip: You can also forward only some of your mail by creating a
> filter!"  Well, some can mean all depending on how you define your
> filter.  Do you have any filters defined in your Gmail account that
> would effectively forward all new e-mails to your other account?


I have no filters set on the GMail web site that I know of. I don't even 
know how to set them there.

> 
> Besides using pushing via forwarding to get incoming e-mails to your
> Gmail account to get delivered to your other account, you could
> configure your other account to poll (pull) e-mails from your Gmail
> account.  Go into your other account's web settings to see if you have
> it polling your Gmail account for new e-mails at Gmail.


I can't find any such settings there.


> 
> Some e-mail providers will suspend or kill an overly idle account.  They
> measure idleness based on logins.  If you or a client has not logged
> into an account for a long time, like for several months, they figure
> you are no longer using that account, and instead of politely closing
> the account you abandoned it.  They're looking for a login to check the
> account is still active.  Using a forwarding option in an account is
> just sending e-mails to the other account, so that's not logging in.
> Using polling to pull new e-mails is logging in: the client, even a
> webmail client, that polls another account has to log into the other
> account, and why you have to provide the login credentials for the other
> account.  I use Gmail's polling feature to keep alive a few other
> accounts that are kept in reserve; else, they would expire due to
> non-use.  Pulling requires login.  Pushing does not.
> 
> You can push (forward) using Gmail to your other account.  Or you can
> pull (poll) your Gmail by your other account.  Push only requires an
> e-mail address for forwarding new e-mails to another account.  Pull
> requires the login credentials of the other account; however, pull would
> require your Gmail account be enabled for POP or IMAP access, or both
> since the other account or your client needs to login via those
> protocols into Gmail to pull from there.
>   
>>> disable forwarding
>> 
>> However note that what I said before about IMAP was wrong, The status 
>> IMAP is disabled. There's also the status POP is disabled.
> 
> Then the only way to access your Gmail e-mails is to use their webmail
> interface. 


Which I almost never do.


> Thunderbird does not support the Gmail API for access to a
> Gmail account (https://developers.google.com/gmail/api)*.  It only
> supports POP and IMAP.  Since you disabled access using those protocols
> only supported by Thunderbird, it cannot access your Gmail account.


What you say makes perfect sense, but I'm reporting what's happening.




> * I haven't bothered to investigate if any extension would add Gmail API
>    support to Thunbderbird.
> 
> Are you saying your web settings for Gmail under gear -> See all
> settings -> Forwarding and POP/IMAP are the following?
> 
> Forwarding: disabled

It doesn't say "disabled." It just gives me the choice to add a 
forwarding address


> and
> POP: disabled


Yes.


> IMAP: disabled


Yes.


> That means your Gmail account is not forwarding new e-mails via SMTP to
> send anywhere else.  You say push is disabled.  It also means no client
> can poll your Gmail account using POP or IMAP.  You say pull is
> disabled.  Thunderbird doesn't support Gmail API.  Forwarding, push or
> pull, or the API are the only methods I know of for Gmail.


Nevertheless, Thunderbird is getting the gmail messages to me in both 
the gmail account and my main e-mail account.

> 
> Some mobile e-mail apps support the Gmail API (e.g., Gmail app, MS
> Outlook app, others).  I suppose you could have a Gmail API capable
> client or e-mail service polling your Gmail account and then forward the
> new e-mails to your other account.  That is, you could employ an
> intermediary to transfer the e-mails.  Since fowarding, pop, and imap
> are disabled in your Gmail account, the only access method I know of is
> the Gmail API (a lighter weight access method than IMAP).


I also have both e-mail accounts set up with Outlook (Office 365) on my 
Android phone, but I can't find what you suggest there.


-- 
Ken

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Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 09:36 -0700
  Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 09:47 -0700
    Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 09:56 -0700
      Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 10:37 -0700
        Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:20 -0700
          Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 14:25 -0700
            Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 16:06 -0700
              Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 16:21 -0700
                Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 16:34 -0700
                Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2021-05-30 19:06 -0700
      Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-30 12:53 -0500
        Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:48 -0700
          Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:52 -0700
            Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:56 -0700
          Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-05-31 00:28 -0500
            Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-31 07:56 -0700
  Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 10:47 -0700
    Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:50 -0700
  Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-05-30 10:57 -0700
    Re: Undoing copying gmail messages to another e-mail account Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:50 -0700

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