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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2026-07-24 11:03 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-08-09 08:54 +0000 |
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No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-24 11:03 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 04:33 +0000
Re: No more Redirect page. Gilmeh Serda <gilmeh.serda@nothing.here.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:59 +0000
Re: No more Redirect page. ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-25 16:24 +0000
Re: No more Redirect page. Gilmeh Serda <gilmeh.serda@nothing.here.invalid> - 2026-07-26 18:32 +0000
Re: No more Redirect page. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:36 +0000
Re: No more Redirect page. Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2026-07-25 15:46 -0500
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-25 20:24 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2026-07-26 01:37 -0500
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-26 09:22 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-26 11:46 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-26 21:25 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-26 19:26 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-27 10:34 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-27 10:43 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-27 21:00 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-28 13:33 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-29 10:53 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 20:45 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-29 23:01 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-28 21:50 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-29 22:59 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-30 08:58 -0700
Re: No more Redirect page. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-07-30 12:11 -0400
Re: No more Redirect page. Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2026-07-30 10:47 -0700
Re: No more Redirect page. "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:54 +0200
Re: No more Redirect page. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-09 08:54 +0000
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncsfevFfjtbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #17898 |
On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:03:09 -0400, micky wrote: > You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links I use Startpage.com. Have been for years. In the beginning they were an alternative to Scroogle, but not that long ago I learned Startpage combines the searches of Google and Bing. > sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection to > another page, even though you clicked on it in the first place and even > though it never did this before. "The "redirect notice" page usually > appears because Google wraps outbound links with a tracking parameter > (google.com/url) to gather analytics and scan for malicious URLs". I block those with Pi-Hole. > Other > things scan for malicious urls so I'm guessing it's the tracking that's > important to google. I don't care if they track me, but I don't want > to waste time clicking again, or learn a new habit, that I have to click > a second time in a second tab. Have you tried Startpage.com? -- s|b
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 22:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n4fl6l55k18df06cb0m72ca6hb6govht9n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #17961 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Jul 2026 21:50:03 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:03:09 -0400, micky wrote: > >> You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links > >I use Startpage.com. Have been for years. In the beginning they were an >alternative to Scroogle, but not that long ago I learned Startpage >combines the searches of Google and Bing. > >> sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection to >> another page, even though you clicked on it in the first place and even >> though it never did this before. "The "redirect notice" page usually >> appears because Google wraps outbound links with a tracking parameter >> (google.com/url) to gather analytics and scan for malicious URLs". > >I block those with Pi-Hole. Well one can do that with random occasional redirects, but Google search in Firefox is sending a redirect EVERY time one clicks on a search result and tries to open the link in a new tab. I don't want open the link in the same tab, because then I'll have to go Back to see the other search results. I prefer to use a new tab and they all generate redirects. >> Other >> things scan for malicious urls so I'm guessing it's the tracking that's >> important to google. I don't care if they track me, but I don't want >> to waste time clicking again, or learn a new habit, that I have to click >> a second time in a second tab. > >Have you tried Startpage.com? No, but I will tomorrow.
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| From | Nobody <jock@soccer.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 08:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <95rm6ltatk34itom3k56c3sfg0ts36mvl9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #17968 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 22:59:58 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Jul 2026 21:50:03 +0200, "s|b" ><me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > >>On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:03:09 -0400, micky wrote: >> >>> You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links >> >>I use Startpage.com. Have been for years. >> >>> sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection to >>> another page, even though you clicked on it in the first place and even >>> though it never did this before. "The "redirect notice" page usually >>> appears because Google wraps outbound links with a tracking parameter >>> (google.com/url) to gather analytics and scan for malicious URLs". >> >>I block those with Pi-Hole. > >Well one can do that with random occasional redirects, but Google search >in Firefox is sending a redirect EVERY time one clicks on a search >result and tries to open the link in a new tab. I don't want open the >link in the same tab, because then I'll have to go Back to see the other >search results. I prefer to use a new tab and they all generate >redirects. I've been ignoring this thread... but your EVERY shout tipped me over the edge. Switching my choice to Google on Ffox 153.0.1/Win 11, I entered a simple city name 'Vancouver' into the search box. The results began with a Wonkpedia link which I ignored. The City of Vancouver's home page (https://vancouver.ca) was second. Clicking on that did not open a new tab... nor AFAICT did it re-direct. At least, the resulting page appeared instantaneously and the URL in the address bar was identical. Ditto for choice #3, Destination Vancouver, the local tourist bureau: (https://www.destinationvancouver.com/) No new tab... same URL. And on, and on. Switching to DuckDuckGo, the hierarchy of results varied slightly... but trying the same links for each/all re-tested delivered the same result: no re-direct nor new tab. Another Micky Mouse problem?
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 12:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mitm6ldb78t7j910tse193hsf2q60cb8b0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #17970 |
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:58:06 -0700, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote: >On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 22:59:58 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> >wrote: > >>In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Jul 2026 21:50:03 +0200, "s|b" >><me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:03:09 -0400, micky wrote: >>> >>>> You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links >>> >>>I use Startpage.com. Have been for years. >>> >>>> sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection to >>>> another page, even though you clicked on it in the first place and even >>>> though it never did this before. "The "redirect notice" page usually >>>> appears because Google wraps outbound links with a tracking parameter >>>> (google.com/url) to gather analytics and scan for malicious URLs". >>> >>>I block those with Pi-Hole. >> >>Well one can do that with random occasional redirects, but Google search >>in Firefox is sending a redirect EVERY time one clicks on a search >>result and tries to open the link in a new tab. I don't want open the >>link in the same tab, because then I'll have to go Back to see the other >>search results. I prefer to use a new tab and they all generate >>redirects. > >I've been ignoring this thread... but your EVERY shout tipped me over >the edge. > >Switching my choice to Google on Ffox 153.0.1/Win 11, I entered a I'm using v153.0 now but there is a suggestion to Restart to Update. >simple city name 'Vancouver' into the search box. The results began >with a Wonkpedia link which I ignored. > >The City of Vancouver's home page (https://vancouver.ca) was second. >Clicking on that did not open a new tab... nor AFAICT did it Yes, mere clicking does not open a new tab. That's why I said I tried to open a new tab. I do that by first right-clicking. Did you right-click and then choose Open a new tab? >re-direct. At least, the resulting page appeared instantaneously and >the URL in the address bar was identical. > >Ditto for choice #3, Destination Vancouver, the local tourist bureau: > >(https://www.destinationvancouver.com/) > >No new tab... same URL. > >And on, and on. > >Switching to DuckDuckGo, the hierarchy of results varied slightly... >but trying the same links for each/all re-tested delivered the same >result: no re-direct nor new tab. > >Another Micky Mouse problem? When you talk like that it's hard to take you seriously.
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| From | Nobody <jock@soccer.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 10:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ut2n6lpcti45o3ftpgfhvrho4jqggapruu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #17971 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:11:37 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:58:06 -0700, Nobody ><jock@soccer.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 22:59:58 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> >>wrote: >> >>>In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Jul 2026 21:50:03 +0200, "s|b" >>><me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:03:09 -0400, micky wrote: >>>> >>>>> You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links >>>> >>>>I use Startpage.com. Have been for years. >>>> >>>>> sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection to >>>>> another page, even though you clicked on it in the first place and even >>>>> though it never did this before. "The "redirect notice" page usually >>>>> appears because Google wraps outbound links with a tracking parameter >>>>> (google.com/url) to gather analytics and scan for malicious URLs". >>>> >>>>I block those with Pi-Hole. >>> >>>Well one can do that with random occasional redirects, but Google search >>>in Firefox is sending a redirect EVERY time one clicks on a search >>>result and tries to open the link in a new tab. I don't want open the >>>link in the same tab, because then I'll have to go Back to see the other >>>search results. I prefer to use a new tab and they all generate >>>redirects. >> >>I've been ignoring this thread... but your EVERY shout tipped me over >>the edge. >> >>Switching my choice to Google on Ffox 153.0.1/Win 11, I entered a > >I'm using v153.0 now but there is a suggestion to Restart to Update. > >>simple city name 'Vancouver' into the search box. The results began >>with a Wonkpedia link which I ignored. >> >>The City of Vancouver's home page (https://vancouver.ca) was second. >>Clicking on that did not open a new tab... nor AFAICT did it > >Yes, mere clicking does not open a new tab. That's why I said I tried to >open a new tab. I do that by first right-clicking. > >Did you right-click and then choose Open a new tab? Yairs... new tab or simply in the same tab: no difference with any of the same test choices... nor with a different search engine. The link simply opens as, er, directed. To quote you: "... but Google search in Firefox is sending a redirect EVERY time one clicks on a search result and tries to open the link in a new tab." No attempt by Google itself to open a new tab. No evidence of a re-direct.
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 19:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <114g34t$20phc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17970 |
Nobody, >>> You may have noticed by now that clicking on Google search links >>> sometimes or always makes you stop at a page to "permit" redirection > Another Micky Mouse problem? It's definitily possible that Micky has the problem he describes - though with every person posting that they see no such thing it becomes less-and-less likely (He could have posted the HTTP "A" elements contents showing the to-be-redirected URL as to support his claim (Firefox makes it rather easy to do so), but somehow that has escaped him). It makes me remember quite some years ago, where Google indeed did redirect to itself, appending the actual target URL as an argument to it. But that was when I had Javascript disabled, and Google did not demand it. Nowerdays, with Google refusing to function without it, its quite possible (and even likely) that they use Javascript to send the clicks back. IOW, without needing the awkward (and rather easy to bypass) redirection. Another bit information that goes agains his claim (and got ignored). Nonwithstanding, it *is* still possible that he gets/sees what he claims he does. ... on the other hand, its also possible that the redirection comes from the webpage(s) he's trying to go to (something which I also tried to explain). Bottom line : His problem might really exist, but he's either incapable or unwilling to consider any other possibilities but for what he came up with himself, and again incapable or unwilling to do some "bug hunting". And that makes it *VERY* hard to help him. IOW, its might not be a(n imaginary) "Micky Mouse problem", as much as it might be a real problem, but presented/handled by micky. Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 08:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1159f8g$26gdn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #17970 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:58:06 -0700, Nobody wrote: > The City of Vancouver's home page (https://vancouver.ca) was second. > Clicking on that did not open a new tab... nor AFAICT did it > re-direct. At least, the resulting page appeared instantaneously and > the URL in the address bar was identical. Try right-clicking and copying the link to the Clipboard. Then take a closer look at it elsewhere. The result might surprise you.
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