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  issues with FF 86 / 87 Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-04-07 19:17 +0000
    Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 "Alex Plantema" <alex@nl.invalid> - 2021-05-11 15:36 +0200
      Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2021-05-11 10:20 -0400
        Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-11 07:29 -0700
          Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2021-05-11 11:05 -0400
            Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2021-05-12 12:21 +0200
        Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-05-11 18:58 +0000
    Re: issues with FF 86 / 87 Teddy-Bears <Bears@invalid.com> - 2021-05-11 12:34 -0400

#95 — issues with FF 86 / 87

On my $WORK computer, I've been letting Ubuntu autoupdate Firefox
regularly. Starting with Firefox 86 I started to notice some issues.

In Firefox 86, at least as packaged for Ubuntu 18.04LTS, when running
with two or more windows, mouse clicks and scrolling events sometimes
go to the wrong window. This almost entirely happens just after
changing window focus between two Firefox windows, but I think I've
seen it with xterm to Firefox focus switch too. The second window
can be a private one or a regular one.

In Firefox 87, the window focus thing is not fixed, and I started to
run into other odd behavior. In particular while app.slack.com worked
for me initially, it eventually stopped working. The whole UI froze,
the reload button did nothing, and upon closing the tab and trying to
reload it in a new tab, I got a blank page.

I've downgraded to FF84 and everything works again, but the downgrade
was a painful process. Profiles are versioned now, and FF84 refuses to
touch a FF86 or FF87 profile, so I lost all my extensions, preferences,
and bookmarks in the downgrade.

Questions:

Has anyone else observed the window event problem in Firefox 86/87?

Has anyone else had Slack stop working with Firefox 86/87?

Are there automatic profile backups I can enable to make any future
downgrade need less painful? (If there are not, I can create one
myself, but I'd rather something more seamless.)

This is the most trouble a Firefox update has given me in a long time.

Elijah
------
started out with Firefox when it was called Phoenix

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#529

Eli the Bearded schreef:

> I've downgraded to FF84 and everything works again, but the downgrade
> was a painful process. Profiles are versioned now, and FF84 refuses to
> touch a FF86 or FF87 profile, so I lost all my extensions,
> preferences, and bookmarks in the downgrade.

You might try to import the bookmarks from the FF87 profile:
Click Bookmarks, Show all bookmarks,
Import and make copy, Restore, Choose file, navigate to %appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles
select the profile, then Bookmarkbackups and select the most recent backup.
(Menu items translated from the Dutch, they may differ slightly.)
There's a small chance however that the bookmarks are versioned as well.

-- 
Alex.

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#530

On 2021-05-11 09:36, Alex Plantema wrote:
> Eli the Bearded schreef:
> 
>> I've downgraded to FF84 and everything works again, but the downgrade
>> was a painful process. Profiles are versioned now, and FF84 refuses to
>> touch a FF86 or FF87 profile, so I lost all my extensions,
>> preferences, and bookmarks in the downgrade.
> 
> You might try to import the bookmarks from the FF87 profile:
> Click Bookmarks, Show all bookmarks,
> Import and make copy, Restore, Choose file, navigate to %appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles
> select the profile, then Bookmarkbackups and select the most recent backup.
> (Menu items translated from the Dutch, they may differ slightly.)
> There's a small chance however that the bookmarks are versioned as well.
> 

The refusal to use the "updated" Profile is the reason I now Save the 
profile  before updating. For downgrading, do complete uninstall of the 
flawed version, install the older version, then copy the Saved profile 
over the newly created one.

FWIW, I use Revo Uninstall (paid version) for complete uninstalls. 
Hasn't caused a problem yet.

This is turning into and arms race....

Best,

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
“When I am playing with my cat, how do I know she is not playing with me?”
(Montaigne)

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#531

On Tue, 11 May 2021 10:20:04 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2021-05-11 09:36, Alex Plantema wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > select the profile, then Bookmarkbackups and select the most recent backup.
> > (Menu items translated from the Dutch, they may differ slightly.)
> > There's a small chance however that the bookmarks are versioned as well.
> > 
> 
> The refusal to use the "updated" Profile is the reason I now Save the 
> profile  before updating. For downgrading, do complete uninstall of the 
> flawed version, install the older version, then copy the Saved profile 
> over the newly created one.

Doing that, one may get an error message when starting FF, as I did 
once; sometimes it senses that the current profile was made with a 
later FF version. There's a way to override that. I can't remember 
what it is, but I remember I found it easily by googling the error 
message (in quotes). 



-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         https://BrownMath.com/
                                          https://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#532

On 2021-05-11 10:29, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2021 10:20:04 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
>> On 2021-05-11 09:36, Alex Plantema wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>> select the profile, then Bookmarkbackups and select the most recent backup.
>>> (Menu items translated from the Dutch, they may differ slightly.)
>>> There's a small chance however that the bookmarks are versioned as well.
>>>
>>
>> The refusal to use the "updated" Profile is the reason I now Save the
>> profile  before updating. For downgrading, do complete uninstall of the
>> flawed version, install the older version, then copy the Saved profile
>> over the newly created one.
> 
> Doing that, one may get an error message when starting FF, as I did
> once; sometimes it senses that the current profile was made with a
> later FF version. There's a way to override that. I can't remember
> what it is, but I remember I found it easily by googling the error
> message (in quotes).

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: I Save the Profile of FF x.y.z before 
updating to FF a.b.c. The complete uninstall does away with the later 
Profile, as well as all registry references.

If you want to make sure that Ff will never update without your 
permission, either delete or rename the contents of Mozilla Maintenance 
Service. It sometimes forces updates regardless of your setting within 
FF. I believe that's to ensure that security-related updates will be 
installed.

That being said, I'm on FF 78.10.1esr, but still on 68.12.1 for Tbird. 
That's because after an update, the three extensions refused to work.

Comment (1): I don't understand why Mozilla doesn't add the 
functionalities of the most popular extensions. Seems to me the 
extension developers would welcome a suitable payment for their work.

Comment (2): I note that Chrome is now the most used browser, probably 
because of its phone/tablet/TV versions. Firefox is last.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
“When I am playing with my cat, how do I know she is not playing with me?”
(Montaigne)

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#534

Op 11-05-2021 om 17:05 schreef Wolf K:
> Comment (2): I note that Chrome is now the most used browser, probably 
> because of its phone/tablet/TV versions. Firefox is last.

The mobile version of Firefox works OK but it takes a while to get used 
to the new GUI.
I prefer to use the DuckDuckGo version, it retains the old GUI and adds 
some security.

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#543

In alt.comp.software.firefox, Wolf K  <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> The refusal to use the "updated" Profile is the reason I now Save the 
> profile  before updating. For downgrading, do complete uninstall of the 
> flawed version, install the older version, then copy the Saved profile 
> over the newly created one.

Asking about a Firefox native way to do that automatically was part of
my original post. I know how how to do it manually because I've been
working with profiles a very long time now.

> FWIW, I use Revo Uninstall (paid version) for complete uninstalls. 
> Hasn't caused a problem yet.

Somehow that's not going to help me with automatic updates on Ubuntu.

> This is turning into and arms race....

All software is. I'm choosing the arms race of maintaining a recent
Firefox install over the arms race of protecting myself from Chrome
privacy leaks or the arms race of avoiding malicious sites exploiting
now patched security holes in older Firefox installs.

Elijah
------
other people roll the dice differently

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#533

On 4/7/21 3:17 PM, this is what Eli the Bearded wrote:
> On my $WORK computer, I've been letting Ubuntu autoupdate Firefox
> regularly. Starting with Firefox 86 I started to notice some issues.
> 
> In Firefox 86, at least as packaged for Ubuntu 18.04LTS, when running
> with two or more windows, mouse clicks and scrolling events sometimes
> go to the wrong window. This almost entirely happens just after
> changing window focus between two Firefox windows, but I think I've
> seen it with xterm to Firefox focus switch too. The second window
> can be a private one or a regular one.
> 
> In Firefox 87, the window focus thing is not fixed, and I started to
> run into other odd behavior. In particular while app.slack.com worked
> for me initially, it eventually stopped working. The whole UI froze,
> the reload button did nothing, and upon closing the tab and trying to
> reload it in a new tab, I got a blank page.
> 
> I've downgraded to FF84 and everything works again, but the downgrade
> was a painful process. Profiles are versioned now, and FF84 refuses to
> touch a FF86 or FF87 profile, so I lost all my extensions, preferences,
> and bookmarks in the downgrade.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> Has anyone else observed the window event problem in Firefox 86/87?
> 
> Has anyone else had Slack stop working with Firefox 86/87?
> 
> Are there automatic profile backups I can enable to make any future
> downgrade need less painful? (If there are not, I can create one
> myself, but I'd rather something more seamless.)
> 
> This is the most trouble a Firefox update has given me in a long time.
> 
> Elijah
> ------
> started out with Firefox when it was called Phoenix
> 
I'm on 88 and see no issues.

-- 
Linux Mint Cinnamon 20.1 64bit, Dell Inspiron 5570 laptop
Quad Core i7-8550U, 16G Memory, 512G SSD, 750G & 1TB HDDs
   *I collect teddy bears.

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