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  Tor Browser User Survey D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org> - 2025-04-15 23:44 +0000
    Re: Tor Browser User Survey Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-15 18:40 -0700
      Re: Tor Browser User Survey karl@invalid.com - 2025-04-15 23:12 -0500
      Re: Tor Browser User Survey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 13:29 +0200
      Re: Tor Browser User Survey Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 07:37 -0400
        Re: Tor Browser User Survey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 14:14 +0200
          Re: Tor Browser User Survey Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 09:55 -0400
          Re: Tor Browser User Survey Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-04-16 12:21 -0500
            Re: Tor Browser User Survey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 19:53 +0200
        Re: Tor Browser User Survey Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-16 18:35 +0200
      Re: Tor Browser User Survey "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-16 05:09 -0700
        Re: Tor Browser User Survey Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-16 13:56 +0100
          Re: Tor Browser User Survey Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-16 18:37 +0200
            Re: Tor Browser User Survey Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-16 18:43 +0200
            Re: Tor Browser User Survey Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-16 17:47 +0100
          Re: Tor Browser User Survey "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-17 07:12 -0700
            Re: Tor Browser User Survey Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-17 21:09 +0100
              Re: Tor Browser User Survey Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-04-17 23:58 +0200
              Re: Tor Browser User Survey Kash Patel <kash.patel@fbi.gov> - 2025-04-17 22:25 +0000
                Re: Tor Browser User Survey Kash Patel <kash.patel@fbi.gov> - 2025-04-17 22:45 +0000
                Re: Tor Browser User Survey croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-04-18 06:45 -0700
                  Re: Tor Browser User Survey Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-18 16:43 +0200
                Re: Tor Browser User Survey Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-19 12:29 +0100
                  Re: Tor Browser User Survey D <J@M> - 2025-04-19 18:55 +0200
                  Re: Tor Browser User Survey mark@NotGoogle.com - 2025-04-19 13:42 -0500
                    Re: Tor Browser User Survey D <J@M> - 2025-04-19 22:08 +0200
                    Re: Tor Browser User Survey Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-19 21:14 +0100
                      Re: Tor Browser User Survey mark@NotGoogle.com - 2025-04-19 17:15 -0500
                  4chan.org hacked beyond repair!! Kash Patel <kash.patel@fbi.gov> - 2025-04-20 02:00 +0000
                    Re: 4chan.org hacked beyond repair!! "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-20 04:00 -0700
      Re: Tor Browser User Survey Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-04-16 11:41 -0400
        Re: Tor Browser User Survey Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-16 18:38 +0200

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#13084 — Tor Browser User Survey

(using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page

>We'd love your feedback 
>Help us improve Tor Browser by completing this 10-minute survey.
>Launch the survey    
>https://survey.torproject.org/index.php/923269?lang=en
>Tor Browser User Survey 
>Illustration of a scientist with a clipboard observing a person using a  
>computer
>Hello and thank you for participating in this survey. 
>Our goal is to understand how we might improve Tor Browser.
>You'll be asked some questions about how and why you use Tor Browser as  
>well as any challenges you may have encountered along the way. 
>This survey should take about 10 minutes to complete. 
>There are 17 questions in this survey.
>Privacy policy     
>The Tor Project is committed to upholding your privacy while handling your   
>feedback. Here's what you need to know:
>This survey is powered by LimeSurvey, an open-source survey tool self-  
>hosted by the Tor Project. The data we collect from this survey will be   
>stored exclusively on servers managed by the Tor Project and anonymously  
>aggregated in our reporting. In our reporting, we may include full or  
>partial respondent quotes, but only after removing any personally  
>identifiable information.
>Tor Project employees, authorized contractors, and core contributors will
>be able to view your individual responses. In addition, this study has been
>configured to record:
>  The time and date your response was started
>  The time and date your response was submitted
>This data will be wiped from LimeSurvey no later than 180 days after its
>recording, allowing sufficient time for the Tor Project to compile your  
>feedback and complete our report.
>This survey is not configured to record your IP address. This survey is  
>also available as an onion site, providing a greater level of security and    
>privacy for survey respondents. 
>For your safety, we recommend high-risk individuals not include any  
>personally identifiable information.  
>To continue please first accept our survey privacy policy.
>Next  
> Using Tor   
>Tell us about how and why you use Tor Browser.
>*1
>Which version of Tor Browser do you use most often?
>Choose one of the following answers
>  Tor Browser for Android
>  Tor Browser for Desktop (i.e., macOS, Windows, or Linux)
>  Other:
>*2
>How often do you use the version of Tor Browser you chose above?
>Choose one of the following answers 
>  I use it several times a day
>  I use it about once a day
>  I use it occasionally to look up or do specific things
>  This is my first time using Tor Browser
>*3  
>Approximately how long was your most recent Tor browsing session?
>Choose one of the following answers  
>  Shorter than 30 minutes
>  Longer than 30 minutes, but shorter than 2 hours 
>  Longer than 2 hours
>*4 
>Why do you use Tor Browser?
>Select all that apply
>  To bypass specific geographic content restrictions 
>  To bypass internet restrictions put in place by my university,  
>workplace, or other entity
>  To bypass government-imposed internet restrictions 
>  For ideological reasons (e.g., supporting Tor or opposing mass
>surveillance)   
>  To prevent my personal data from being monetized 
>  To protect myself and/or others from criminalization or violence because
>of the causes I'm affiliated with
>  To prevent government entities from seeing my online activity 
>  To prevent my internet service provider, family, peers, or other
>entities from seeing my online activity
>  Other: 
>*6
>What do you use Tor Browser for?
>Select all that apply
>  To access onion services 
>  To check my work email  
>  For everyday browsing 
>  To message colleagues
>  To message friends or family   
>  To check my personal email
>  To share files   
>  To make cryptocurrency transactions
>  To stream videos
>  To read the news
>  To access social media
>  To publish or post content (e.g., news articles, blog or forum posts)
>  Other:
>Next
>Browser experience
>Tell us more about Tor Browser's performance and functionality. 
>*7 
>What are the most challenging aspects of using Tor Browser?   
>Select a category to reveal more detailed answer options
>  Some websites don't work well or don't work at all 
>  I need to remember too many website addresses or passwords
>  It's too slow
>  I don't feel fully protected with Tor
>  Other:
>Which aspects of websites don't work well or don't work at all?  
>Select all that apply
>  Sites appear in languages I don't speak
>  Sites give me too many CAPTCHAs 
>  Sites block me (e.g., 403 errors, 503 errors, payment errors) and/or 
>social media sites ban me
>  I'm frequently logged out of sites
>  Sites don't display properly (e.g., issues with sizing, fonts, layout,
>  images, 3D graphics)
>  Sites tell me my browser is unsupported or out of date
>  Voice and video calls don't work
>  Onion services often fail to connect
>Next
>About you
>As a reminder, this survey is anonymous and the following questions are
>optional. Please share only what you feel comfortable sharing. 
>13
>From which country or region do you most often use Tor Browser?
>Choose one of the following answers
>Please choose...
>14
>How important do you consider digital privacy to be to your safety?
>(1) Not important at all
>(2) Not very important
>(3) Somewhat important 
>(4) Very important
>(5) Extremely important
>    No answer 
>15
>How comfortable or uncomfortable would you feel if Tor were to use privacy-
>preserving, opt-in, anonymous analytics in Tor Browser?
>The scenario outlined above is purely hypothetical. We would use this
>information to help our developers answer questions like these:    
>  How widely used is each language in Tor Browser?
>  What proportion of users use each security level?
>  How many users use onion services in general?
>In this scenario, analytics would be limited to collecting aggregated data 
>about feature usage and would not collect your browsing activity or any
>other private information.
>(1) Extremely uncomfortable
>(2) Very uncomfortable
>(3) Somewhat uncomfortable  
>(4) Neutral
>(5) Somewhat comfortable
>(6) Very comfortable
>(7) Extremely comfortable
>    No answer 
>Next
>Is there anything else you'd like to share?
>17
>For example, feel free to share your thoughts on features you'd like to
>see in Tor Browser. Please do not share your name, contact information, or
>any other personally identifiable information. 
>Submit
>Thank you
>If you need help with Tor, please visit the Tor Forum, Tor Support pages,
>and/or the Tor Browser User Manual.   
>We aim to practice human-centered design when we build tools for internet
>freedom. The way we build tools also builds community. Our user research is
>founded on the basis of consent, respect, and empathy. You can make an 
>impact in your community by learning about our methods and helping us with
>user research.
[end quoted plain text] 

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#13085

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
wrote:

>
>(using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page

<Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>

And this has relevance to Firefox?

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#13086

On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 18:40:18 -0700, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>(using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page
>
><Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
>
>And this has relevance to Firefox?

He's an a-hole who fills a number of groups with his OT shite.

It's how trolls have fun.

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#13087

On 2025-04-16 03:40, Nobody wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page
> 
> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
> 
> And this has relevance to Firefox?

The Tor browser is a tailored Firefox.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#13088

On 4/15/2025 9:40 PM, Nobody wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page
> 
> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
> 
> And this has relevance to Firefox?
> 

    Tor is modified Firefox, isn't it? Personally I don't use
Tor and probably won't, but I appreciate that theirs is
the first online survey I've seen for years that's not run
by some kind of spyware operation like Qualtrics. The Tor
people are actually running their own survey. So there's
hope for humanity. :)

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#13090

On 2025-04-16 13:37, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/15/2025 9:40 PM, Nobody wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home 
>>> page
>>
>> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
>>
>> And this has relevance to Firefox?
>>
> 
>     Tor is modified Firefox, isn't it? Personally I don't use
> Tor and probably won't, but I appreciate that theirs is
> the first online survey I've seen for years that's not run
> by some kind of spyware operation like Qualtrics. The Tor
> people are actually running their own survey. So there's
> hope for humanity. :)

I have not looked yet, but obviously an organization like Tor can not 
run a poll in spyware. They would loose all credibility.

I just started Tor now, and I see nothing about a survey in Tor itself 
or its news page 
(https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1357/) or the home 
page (https://www.torproject.org/).

So how did people get pointed to the survey?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#13092

On 4/16/2025 8:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> So how did people get pointed to the survey?
> 

    Beats me. The OP says it was on the Tor homepage.
Someone concerned with anonymity is using the browser
company's default homepage? Sounds a bit daffy. I've
never tried Tor, so I can't check it. I live in a free country.
As long as I praise Donald Trump I can do anything I like.

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#13107

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 13:37, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/15/2025 9:40 PM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home 
>>>> page
>>>
>>> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
>>>
>>> And this has relevance to Firefox?
>>>
>>
>>     Tor is modified Firefox, isn't it? Personally I don't use
>> Tor and probably won't, but I appreciate that theirs is
>> the first online survey I've seen for years that's not run
>> by some kind of spyware operation like Qualtrics. The Tor
>> people are actually running their own survey. So there's
>> hope for humanity. :)
> 
> I have not looked yet, but obviously an organization like Tor can not 
> run a poll in spyware. They would loose all credibility.
> 
> I just started Tor now, and I see nothing about a survey in Tor itself 
> or its news page 
> (https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1357/) or the home 
> page (https://www.torproject.org/).
> 
> So how did people get pointed to the survey?

Remove /index.php, etc, and the url points to something called
Lime Survey:

"Tor Project Survey
The following surveys are available:

Please contact Administrator ( torproject-admin@torproject.org ) for 
further assistance.
LimeSurvey Survey Software
The Online Survey Tool - Free & Open Source"

Source:
<!-- Privacy message -->

<div class=" privacy  row" >
     <div class="col-12 col-centered  " >
 

     <div class="ls-privacy-block">
         <div id="datasecurity_notice_label" class="fw-bold text-uppercase">
             Privacy policy
         </div>
         <div class="" id="datasecurity_notice">
             <p>The Tor Project is committed to upholding your privacy 
while handling your feedback. Here’s what you need to know:<br /><br 
/>This survey is powered by LimeSurvey, an open-source survey tool 
self-hosted by the Tor Project. The data we collect from this survey 
will be stored exclusively on servers managed by the Tor Project and 
anonymously aggregated in our reporting. In our reporting, we may 
include full or partial respondent quotes, but only after removing any 
personally identifiable information.<br /><br />Tor Project employees, 
authorized contractors, and core contributors will be able to view your 
individual responses. In addition, this study has been configured to 
record:<br /> </p>

<ul>
	<li>The time and date your response was started</li>
	<li>The time and date your response was submitted</li>
</ul>

<p>This data will be wiped from LimeSurvey no later than 180 days after 
its recording, allowing sufficient time for the Tor Project to compile 
your feedback and complete our report.<br /><br />This survey is 
<strong>not</strong> configured to record your IP address. This survey 
is also available as an <a 
href="http://eh5esdnd6fkbkapfc6nuyvkjgbtnzq2is72lmpwbdbxepd2z7zbgzsqd.onion/index.php/923269">onion 
site</a>, providing a greater level of security and privacy for survey 
respondents.<br /><br />For your safety, we recommend high-risk 
individuals not include any personally identifiable information.</p>

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#13108

On 2025-04-16 19:21, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-16 13:37, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2025 9:40 PM, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser 
>>>>> home page
>>>>
>>>> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
>>>>
>>>> And this has relevance to Firefox?
>>>>
>>>
>>>     Tor is modified Firefox, isn't it? Personally I don't use
>>> Tor and probably won't, but I appreciate that theirs is
>>> the first online survey I've seen for years that's not run
>>> by some kind of spyware operation like Qualtrics. The Tor
>>> people are actually running their own survey. So there's
>>> hope for humanity. :)
>>
>> I have not looked yet, but obviously an organization like Tor can not 
>> run a poll in spyware. They would loose all credibility.
>>
>> I just started Tor now, and I see nothing about a survey in Tor itself 
>> or its news page (https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor- 
>> browser-1357/) or the home page (https://www.torproject.org/).
>>
>> So how did people get pointed to the survey?
> 
> Remove /index.php, etc, and the url points to something called
> Lime Survey:
> 
> "Tor Project Survey
> The following surveys are available:
> 
> Please contact Administrator ( torproject-admin@torproject.org ) for 
> further assistance.
> LimeSurvey Survey Software
> The Online Survey Tool - Free & Open Source"

If I go to <https://survey.torproject.org/> I get:


            Lime Survey:
          Tor Project Survey


The following surveys are available:

[Tell us your history]  [Importance of digital encryption for online privacy]

Please contact Administrator ( torproject-admin@torproject.org ) for further assistance.


But I had to intentionally type in the url bar the address <https://survey.torproject.org/>. My question is how did the OP get pointed to this URL. It does not appear in the home page as he claimed.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#13101

On 16.04.25 13:37, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/15/2025 9:40 PM, Nobody wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 23:44:34 +0000, D <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page
>>
>> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
>>
>> And this has relevance to Firefox?
>>
> 
>      Tor is modified Firefox, isn't it? Personally I don't use
> Tor and probably won't, but I appreciate that theirs is
> the first online survey I've seen for years that's not run
> by some kind of spyware operation like Qualtrics. The Tor
> people are actually running their own survey. So there's
> hope for humanity. :)

The Onion Router will never do any survey of that kind.

I use it from time to time but I live thankfully not in a country where 
brain dead people like DT or JJP have anything to say. So the loss of 
speed is not acceptable.

-- 
"Ave! Morituri te salutant!"

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#13089

Nobody wrote:
> D wrote:
>>
>> (using Tor Browser 14.0.9) ... this appeared on the tor browser home page
> 
> <Severely sliced/hacked/disintegrated>
> 
> And this has relevance to Firefox?

"D" seems to be obsessed with promoting the Tor browser.

"The core principle of Tor, known as onion routing, was developed in the
mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees,
mathematician Paul Syverson, and computer scientists Michael G. Reed and
David Goldschlag, to protect American intelligence communications online."

IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin keeping
an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for illicit
reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's transparent to
such agencies and has always been so.

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#13091

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> writes:

> IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin keeping
> an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for illicit
> reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's transparent to
> such agencies and has always been so.

In my opinion it is not much different from using a VPN, more convenient
perhaps as you don't have to find a provider and configure it.

Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
log, for example looking up mental health issues.

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#13102

On 16.04.25 14:56, Richmond wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin keeping
>> an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for illicit
>> reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's transparent to
>> such agencies and has always been so.
> 
> In my opinion it is not much different from using a VPN, more convenient
> perhaps as you don't have to find a provider and configure it.

Agreed but the loss of speed is not acceptable under normal circumstances.

> Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
> visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
> log, for example looking up mental health issues.

DNS over HTTPS exists and your government is blind.


-- 
"Ave! Morituri te salutant!"

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#13105

On 16.04.25 18:37, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 16.04.25 14:56, Richmond wrote:
>> Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
>> visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
>> log, for example looking up mental health issues.
> 
> DNS over HTTPS exists and your government is blind.

Use this one. This server is outside the juridisction and control of the 
"five eyes":

https://dns.quad9.net/dns-query

-- 
"Ave! Morituri te salutant!"

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#13106

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:

> On 16.04.25 14:56, Richmond wrote:
>> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> writes:
>> 
>>> IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin keeping
>>> an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for illicit
>>> reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's transparent to
>>> such agencies and has always been so.
>> In my opinion it is not much different from using a VPN, more
>> convenient
>> perhaps as you don't have to find a provider and configure it.
>
> Agreed but the loss of speed is not acceptable under normal circumstances.
>
>> Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
>> visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
>> log, for example looking up mental health issues.
>
> DNS over HTTPS exists and your government is blind.

That doesn't stop them logging the IP address of the site you visit.

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#13121

Richmond wrote:
> John C. writes:
>> 
>> IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin keeping
>> an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for illicit
>> reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's transparent to
>> such agencies and has always been so.
> 
> In my opinion it is not much different from using a VPN, more convenient
> perhaps as you don't have to find a provider and configure it.
> 
> Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
> visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
> log, for example looking up mental health issues.

Over here in the U.S., many ISPs log visited URLs without even being
told to do so by the gov.

However, as I said in my reply, "I am likewise thoroughly convinced that
it's transparent to such (TLA) agencies and has always been so."

-- 
John C.

I filter out all crossposts and garbage from trolls.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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#13126

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>> John C. writes:
>>> 
>>> IMO, using Tor provides a convenient red-flag for TLAs to begin
>>> keeping an eye on a person to see if they're using the browser for
>>> illicit reasons. I am likewise thoroughly convinced that it's
>>> transparent to such agencies and has always been so.
>> 
>> In my opinion it is not much different from using a VPN, more
>> convenient perhaps as you don't have to find a provider and configure
>> it.
>> 
>> Here in the UK the government requires ISPs to keep a log of URLs
>> visited. There are many legitimate reasons why you might not want a
>> log, for example looking up mental health issues.
>
> Over here in the U.S., many ISPs log visited URLs without even being
> told to do so by the gov.
>
> However, as I said in my reply, "I am likewise thoroughly convinced
> that it's transparent to such (TLA) agencies and has always been so."

Why are you convinced of that? It is open source, so someone can check
the crypto. They may know about flaws in that. They may monitor exit
nodes and look for patterns. But none of it matters much if you aren't
doing anything illegal. They won't want to give away their secrets
lightly.

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#13128

Richmond wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Richmond wrote:
[..snip..]
>> Over here in the U.S., many ISPs log visited URLs without even being
>> told to do so by the gov.
>>
>> However, as I said in my reply, "I am likewise thoroughly convinced
>> that it's transparent to such (TLA) agencies and has always been so."
> 
> Why are you convinced of that? It is open source, so someone can check
> the crypto. They may know about flaws in that. They may monitor exit
> nodes and look for patterns. But none of it matters much if you aren't
> doing anything illegal.

Yet.

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#13129

On 17/04/2025 21:09, Richmond wrote:

> 
> Why are you convinced of that? It is open source, so someone can check
> the crypto. They may know about flaws in that. They may monitor exit
> nodes and look for patterns. 


Are you aware that the source code made public is sanitised while the 
binaries might be tweaked  to catch people like John C browsing illegal 
porn sites.  Bad guys or government agencies know that people are not 
going to spend time to audit the source code for anything suspicious.

Do you know how many separate files make the source code for the browser?

China, Iran, Russia or North Korea (at government level) might spend 
time but that's for their own national security. They can't trust 
American or Israeli governments.

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#13131

On 17/04/2025 23:25, Kash Patel wrote:
> China, Iran, Russia or North Korea (at government level) might spend
> time but that's for their own national security. They can't trust
> American or Israeli governments.


Uncovering The CIA's Audacious Operation That Gave Them Access To State 
Secrets:

<https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812499752/uncovering-the-cias-audacious-operation-that-gave-them-access-to-state-secrets>

Q.E.D

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