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  Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-26 05:52 +0000
    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Xavier M <xmendizabal@euskaltel.com> - 2025-07-26 08:29 +0200
      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-26 20:47 +0000
    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-07-26 17:56 +1000
      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-26 17:27 +0000
        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-27 07:05 +0000
          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-27 11:02 +0000
    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-07-26 15:49 +0200
      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-07-26 16:20 +0200
        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-07-26 17:07 +0200
          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Randy Jones <randolphJones@randyjones.com> - 2025-07-26 19:06 +0200
            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-28 19:39 +0000
              Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-29 22:41 +0000
                Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-07-29 18:41 -0700
                  Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-30 01:58 +0000
                    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-07-30 04:03 +0200
                      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-30 07:03 +0000
                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-02 17:58 +0000
                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-07 11:12 -0700
                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-07 11:34 -0700
                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-07 20:46 +0000
                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-07 13:09 -0700
                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-07 21:09 +0000
                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-07 20:21 +0000
                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-07 15:08 -0700
                              Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-09 21:37 +0000
                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:56 +0200
                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-09 02:54 +0000
                    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-07-29 19:13 -0700
                      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-07-30 06:59 +0000
                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-02 17:58 +0000
                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-07 03:50 +0000
                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:50 +0200
                              Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-08 14:11 +0000
                                Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-08 16:56 +0200
                                  Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-09 01:45 +0000
                                    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-09 12:28 +0200
                                      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-09 11:49 +0100
                                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-09 19:28 +0000
                                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-12 20:14 +0000
                                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-13 20:40 +0200
                                              Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 17:39 +0000
                                                Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 00:22 +0000
                                                  Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 07:04 +0100
                                                    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 17:01 +0000
                                                      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 18:13 +0100
                                                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 18:23 +0000
                                                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 10:41 +0000
                                                  Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-18 16:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 15:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 19:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-21 04:14 +0000
                                                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 09:46 +0000
                                                            Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-23 17:14 +0000
                                                        Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-29 16:46 -0700
                                                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-29 16:58 -0700
                                                          Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-02 04:02 +0000

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#14299 — Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?

Is there a de-mozilla'd Firefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?

The reason I ask is when the chromium-based free Epic Privacy Browser died,
I wrote a tutorial for building your own chromium-based privacy browser out
of common components and I was next naturally wondering if I could extend
that tutorial to building your own privacy-based mozilla browser next...
 a. no telemetry, no phoning home, no data collection, etc.
 d. no internal connections whatsoever to the mothership
 e. no safe-browsing checking back to the mothership
 f. no account sync, click-to-call, geolocation, etc.
 g. binary pruning, etc.

<reference links in the sig>
-- 
The links if you're interested that I'm trying to reproduce for Firefox, if
possible, would be the following (but these are only for chromium browsers)
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105ptvs%242ihi%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105vlel%241r72%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>
<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C1061op9%242kch%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>

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#14301

Marion wrote on Sat, 26 Jul 2025 05:52:10 -0000 (UTC) :

> The links if you're interested that I'm trying to reproduce for Firefox, if
> possible, would be the following (but these are only for chromium browsers)
> <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105ptvs%242ihi%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>
> <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105vlel%241r72%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>
> <https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C1061op9%242kch%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>

Probably the closest de-mozillafied browser similar to that of uc is libre
wolf since mozilla telemetry & data collection has already been removed.

It's on all platforms at https://librewolf.net/installation/

It also removes account sync, pocket, experiments, sponsored content, and
it comes with ublock origin pre installed & configured so you skip a step.

It resists fingerprinting even though it uses a gecko engine (versus blink
for uc) but a big difference is libre wolf doesn't strip access to the
firefox web store in the same way uc strips access to the chrome web store.

You only need to add the hide.me vpn extension to extend your tutorial.

Another contender if fingerprinting is critical is mullvad which also comes
with ublock origin but it won't take vpn extensions like the hide.me vpn
because it's designed to work with system-wide vpn but not vpn extensions.

Waterfox also removes telemetry so that might work and pale moon may work
since it uses its own goanna engine (which is an older fork of gecko).

Good idea and good luck!

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#14330

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:29:39 +0200, Xavier M wrote :


> It's on all platforms at https://librewolf.net/installation/
> You only need to add the hide.me vpn extension to extend your tutorial.

Thanks for suggesting LibreWolf as the Ungoogled Chromium of Mozilla.

The goal is to replace the venerable Epic Privacy Browser now that it's no 
longer working like it used to - which is too bad as it was fantastic.

My plan is to start with the most private Mozilla/Chromium browser possible.
And then add the minimum necessary extensions to make it a proxy browser.

For that first step, LibreWolf is even better than Ungoogled Chromium in 
that LibreWolf will accept xpi extensions from the Mozilla Store.

Ungoogle Chromium is completely disassociated from Google so it won't 
accept anything from the Chrome Web Store (so it's harder to extend).

At first LibreWolf failed to connect to https sites like duckduckgo 
whenever I had all four extensions enabled but I think I fixed it.

1. uBlock Origin
   <https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/download/1.65.1b2/uBlock0_1.65.1b2.firefox.signed.xpi>
2. Skip Redirect
   <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/3920533/skip_redirect-2.3.6.xpi>
3. Canvas Blocker
   <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/4413485/canvasblocker-1.11.xpi>
4. Hide.Me Free VPN Proxy
   <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/4225118/hide_me_vpn_free_proxy-1.2.5.xpi>

But I think I worked around that LibreWolf flaw by flipping this
about:config setting of "security.OCSP.require = true" to "false".

I think this solved the LibreWolf OCSP hard-fail, which checks certificate 
validity online. When a VPN extension like hide.me reroutes your traffic, 
LibreWolf may block connections if it can't verify certificates properly,
resulting in no internet access at all.

Flipping this switch didn't work for MullVad though, so there's likely
more going on with MullVad and VPN/Proxy extensions than in LibreWolf.

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#14303

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> Is there a de-mozilla'd Firefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?
> 
> The reason I ask is when the chromium-based free Epic Privacy Browser died,
> I wrote a tutorial for building your own chromium-based privacy browser out
> of common components and I was next naturally wondering if I could extend
> that tutorial to building your own privacy-based mozilla browser next...

Sounds similar to the Arkenfox project here:
https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js

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#14311

On 26 Jul 2025 17:56:55 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote :


> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
>> Is there a de-mozilla'd Firefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?
>> 
>> The reason I ask is when the chromium-based free Epic Privacy Browser died,
>> I wrote a tutorial for building your own chromium-based privacy browser out
>> of common components and I was next naturally wondering if I could extend
>> that tutorial to building your own privacy-based mozilla browser next...
> 
> Sounds similar to the Arkenfox project here:
> https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js

Interesting. I hadn't known anything about Arkenfox until this moment but
when I looked for the "browser" I realized it's a configuration template.

Indeed it's a "DIY Privacy Mozilla Project" like I'm trying to perform with
extensions, although it too recommends adding these two extensions.
a. uBlock Origin (aimed at a wide spectrum of blocking)
b. Skip Redirect (aimed specifically to combat bounce tracking)

I might end up with Arkenfox because MullVad won't work with the "Hide.Me
VPN" extension. You'd think it would be perfect. But they clash mightily.

Luckily someone also suggested LibreWolf which comes with "uBlock Origin"
but it too won't play nicely with "Hide.Me VPN" for an unknown reason. 

I've only used LibreWolf for a few hours but sometimes it won't even
connect to https://duckduckgo.com (falling back to http instead of https or
even worse, it stalls, saying the site can't be found on the Internet). 

Other times LibreWolf works fine with the "Hide.Me VPN" extension; so I'm
still in the agonizing throes of debugging - but I'll solve it I hope.

Thanks for the ideas to create a DIY replacement for Epic Privacy Browser
(which was, up until recently, the best home solution overall bar none).

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#14348

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:27:50 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


> Other times LibreWolf works fine with the "Hide.Me VPN" extension; so I'm
> still in the agonizing throes of debugging - but I'll solve it I hope.

Just to update in the quest to build my own proxy browser, there are severe 
issues (so far) getting vpn-based extensions to work in LibreWolf.

I was hoping to circumvent the LibreWolf hatred toward VPNs by using a 
proxy extension in LibreWolf such as the FoxyRoxy extension.
 <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxyproxy-standard/>
эА <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/4472757/foxyproxy_standard-9.2.xpi>

That FoxyRoxy extension is supposed to be more useful than the LibreWolf
 Settings > General > Network Settings > Manual Proxy Configuration

The problem isn't so much the configuration, but finding a usable proxy.
 a. IP address or hostname of the proxy
 b. Port number of the proxy
 c. Protocol type: HTTP, HTTPS, SOCKS4, SOCKS5 of the proxy
 d. Authentication credentials (if required) of the proxy

You have to test each proxy to be sure they're working at any given time.
Luckily curl has been shipped with Microsoft Windows 10 for years now.
 C:\> curl -x http://proxy.example.com:8080 http://ipinfo.io/ip
 C:\> curl --proxy https://proxy.example.com:443 https://ipinfo.io/ip --proxy-insecure
Where some have a horrid response time so they're essentially useless.
 C:\> curl -o /dev/null -s -w "Total time: %{time_total} seconds\n" http://example.com --proxy http://proxy.example.com:8080

But ncat will also test a prospective proxy to see if it's working.
 <https://eternallybored.org/misc/netcat/>
 <https://joncraton.org/blog/46/netcat-for-windows/>
 <https://www.cyberly.org/en/download-netcat/index.html>
 C:\> nc.exe --proxy proxy.example.com:3128 --proxy-type http example.com 80
 C:\> nc.exe --proxy proxy.example.com:1080 --proxy-type socks5 example.com 80

The problem, of course, is if the proxy is in a public list, it's 
already overloaded and therefore no longer accepting connections.
 <https://github.com/proxifly/free-proxy-list>
 <https://momoproxy.com/free-proxy-list>
 <https://proxylib.com/free-proxy-list/us/>
 <https://openproxylist.com/proxy/>
 <https://free-proxy-list.net/en/>
 <https://www.go2proxy.com/free>
 <https://vpncentral.com/free-web-proxy/>
 <https://geekflare.com/proxy/best-free-proxies/>
 <https://proxyscrape.com/online-proxy-checker>
 <https://checkerproxy.net/>
 etc.

In summary, so far, everything is easy to add to LibreWolf to create 
your own DIY private browser with vpn/proxy except the VPN/Proxy :(

If you know of a reliable stable working proxy, let us all know!

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#14350

On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 07:05:50 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


> In summary, so far, everything is easy to add to LibreWolf to create 
> your own DIY private browser with vpn/proxy except the VPN/Proxy :(
> 
> If you know of a reliable stable working proxy, let us all know!

After hours of batch scripting, I give up trying to get LibreWolf to work 
with a proxy using the FoxyProxy Extension. Nothing I tried works.

The instant I enable a proxy, the LibraWolf browser stops the connection.
I don't know if it's the browser, the extension or the proxy.

But here's the latest version of the batch file I was working on all night.
 http_proxies.txt - all working HTTP proxies
 socks_proxies.txt - any SOCKS4 survivors
 foxyproxies.xml - ready to import straight into FoxyProxy (Import tab)
 foxyproxies.json - ready to import straight into FoxyProxy (Options tab)
 dead_proxies.txt - everything that failed
 debug_log.txt - holds raw curl attempts for debugging 

Step-by-Step: Importing foxyproxies.xml into FoxyProxy on LibreWolf

1. Install FoxyProxy Extension
   Open LibreWolf and go to FoxyProxy┬ Firefox Add-ons page
   https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxyproxy-standard/
   Click Add to Firefox (LibreWolf should allow it if extensions are enabled)

2. Open FoxyProxy Settings
   Click the FoxyProxy icon in the toolbar
   Choose Options

3. Import Your XML File
   Inside the FoxyProxy settings page, look for the Import/Export tab
   Click the Import tab
   You get four choices: 
    Import FoxyProxy Account  (this is for syncing with the cloud)
    Import from URL (this expects a web-hosted config file)
    Import Proxy List  (this is for plain text)
    Import from older versions <== use this for XML
   Select your foxyproxies.xml file from disk
   Confirm the import (it may warn you about overwriting existing settings)

But nothing happens. 
a. I select "Import from older versions" & a yellow "Import" button shows 
b. I click that "Import" button and a file browser shows up
c. I select foxyproxies.xml & tap "Open" 
But nothing happens.

4. Verify Your Proxies
   After import, you should see all your proxies listed.
   You can enable/disable them or set patterns as needed

Here's the latest batch script if you want to try it yourself.
It works. It's just LibreWolf and/or FoxyProxy that doesn't work.

 @echo off
 setlocal EnableDelayedExpansion
 
 REM === CONFIG ===
 set INPUT=lite_proxies.txt
 set HTTP_OK=http_proxies.txt
 set DEAD=dead_proxies.txt
 set XML_OUT=foxyproxies.xml
 set JSON_OUT=foxyproxies.json
 set /A ID=1
 set /A CURRENT=0
 
 REM === Count total proxies ===
 for /F %%C in ('find /C /V "" ^< %INPUT%') do set TOTAL=%%C
 
 REM === Clear output files ===
 > %HTTP_OK% echo.
 > %DEAD% echo.
 > %XML_OUT% echo ^<foxyproxy mode="patterns"^>
 echo ^<proxies^> >> %XML_OUT%
 > %JSON_OUT% echo {"proxies": [
 
 echo ?? Starting proxy test @ %TIME%
 echo ?? Total proxies to test: %TOTAL%
 echo ----------------------------
 
 REM === Loop through proxy list ===
 for /F "tokens=* delims=" %%P in (%INPUT%) do (
     set RAW=%%P
     set LINE=!RAW!
 
     REM === Strip known prefixes ===
     for /F "tokens=2,* delims= " %%A in ("!LINE!") do (
         if "%%A"=="-x" set LINE=%%B
         if "%%A"=="HTTP:" set LINE=%%B
     )
     for /F "tokens=1 delims= " %%Z in ("!LINE!") do set CLEANED=%%Z
 
     REM === Extract IP and port ===
     for /F "tokens=1,2 delims=:" %%I in ("!CLEANED!") do (
         set IP=%%I
         set PORT=%%J
     )
 
     REM === Display progress ===
     set /A CURRENT+=1
     echo ?? Testing [!CURRENT!/!TOTAL!] ? !IP!:!PORT!
 
     REM === Test HTTP proxy ===
     curl -s -x !IP!:!PORT! http://example.com -m 8 >nul 2>nul
     if !errorlevel! == 0 (
         echo !IP!:!PORT! >> %HTTP_OK%
         echo   ^<proxy id="!ID!" enabled="true" name="Proxy_!ID!" type="HTTP" address="!IP!" port="!PORT!" lastresort="true" /^> >> %XML_OUT%
         if !ID! GTR 1 echo, >> %JSON_OUT%
         echo     {"id": "!ID!", "enabled": true, "name": "Proxy_!ID!", "type": "HTTP", "address": "!IP!", "port": !PORT!, "lastresort": true} >> %JSON_OUT%
         set /A ID+=1
     ) else (
         echo ? DEAD: !IP!:!PORT! >> %DEAD%
     )
 )
 
 echo ^</proxies^> >> %XML_OUT%
 echo ^</foxyproxy^> >> %XML_OUT%
 echo ]} >> %JSON_OUT%
 call echo ?? Finished at: %%TIME%%
 pause
 
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#14305

On 7/26/2025 7:52 AM, Marion wrote:
> Is there a de-mozilla'd Firefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?
> 
> The reason I ask is when the chromium-based free Epic Privacy Browser died,
> I wrote a tutorial for building your own chromium-based privacy browser out
> of common components and I was next naturally wondering if I could extend
> that tutorial to building your own privacy-based mozilla browser next...
>   a. no telemetry, no phoning home, no data collection, etc.
>   d. no internal connections whatsoever to the mothership
>   e. no safe-browsing checking back to the mothership
>   f. no account sync, click-to-call, geolocation, etc.
>   g. binary pruning, etc.
> 
> <reference links in the sig>

I think there's even multiple ones. Android has Fennec as a debranded 
Firefox for example.

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#14307

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 15:49:35 +0200, Kyonshi wrote:

> I think there's even multiple ones. Android has Fennec as a debranded 
> Firefox for example.

But not in Play Store?

-- 
s|b

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#14308

On 7/26/2025 4:20 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 15:49:35 +0200, Kyonshi wrote:
> 
>> I think there's even multiple ones. Android has Fennec as a debranded
>> Firefox for example.
> 
> But not in Play Store?
> 

It's on F-Droid. I keep forgetting that not everyone uses that because 
for the last few years I always check that one first.

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#14310

On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 17:07:22 +0200, Kyonshi wrote:
> On 7/26/2025 4:20 PM, s|b wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 15:49:35 +0200, Kyonshi wrote:
>> 
>>> I think there's even multiple ones. Android has Fennec as a debranded
>>> Firefox for example.
>> 
>> But not in Play Store?
>> 
> 
> It's on F-Droid. I keep forgetting that not everyone uses that because 
> for the last few years I always check that one first.

It's my understanding the F-Droid app hasn't been updated lately so most
people say to use the F-Droid Basic app instead although F-Droid web urls
work on all platforms. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.fdroid.basic

You can get Fennec in F-Droid using a browser on any platform too.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid

The privacy oriented divorced browsers Fennec & Mull are compared here.
https://blog.dbmiller.org/2021-08-19-using-fennec-or-mull-for-extensible-and-secure-browsing-on-android

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#14360

Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWolf?
 <https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/>
 <https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/comments/15fb51p/ocsp_server_issues_worse_with_vpn/>
 <https://github.com/ProtonVPN/proton-vpn-browser-extension/issues/8>
 <https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/arch/-/issues/72>

Belatedly I found out that even the LibreWolf web pages says you can't use
a VPN extension, so, I guess I should have known you can't use VPN with it.

After days of trying, I'm giving up on turning LibreWolf into a privacy
browser. It's not possible. LibreWolf can't be used with VPN extensions.

In hindsight, everything is obvious. VPN extensions don't work with it.

You get errors such as
 SEC_ERROR_OCSP_SERVER_ERROR
 MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_KEY_PINNING_FAILURE

Apparently LibreWolf has issues with OCSP (Online Certificate Status
Protocol) checks even if you disable the hard fail in about:config
 security.OCSP.require = false
 security.OCSP.enabled = 0 (off)

Oddly, on the net, some people say they can get LibreWolf to work.
But it's super flaky when I try it where it basically doesn't work for me.

Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWo

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#14363

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 19:39:36 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


> Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWolf

Since I couldn't get any VPN extension to work with a privacy based web 
browser (such as Mullvad or LibreWolf), I temporarily gave up on Mozilla.

The immediate pressing need was to replace the Epic Privacy Browser, 
because it simply stopped working on July 7th, 2025 & needed replacing.
 *Not Starting / Crashing On Open: Windows & Mac Solutions
  <https://blog.epicbrowser.com/2025/07/epic-not-starting-crashing-on-open-windows-mac-solutions/>

I was hoping to replace Epic with a DIY lightweight Mozilla-based privacy 
browser, but it's turning out to be much harder than I thought it should.

So temporarily, I'm shifting over to a DIY Chromium-based privacy browser 
instead. I wrote the tutorial for that project just yesterday (see below).

I'll test the DIY chromium-based privacy browser for a while, and then I'll 
try again to find a way to make a DIY mozilla-based privacy browser.

Here, for the team, is what I'd like to write - but for a Mozilla browser.
This way Mozilla users can do what chromium users do using the tutorial.

From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject: Tutorial: DIY build your own lightweight chromium-based privacy web browser
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 02:25:51 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <1069bff$24ia$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

This tutorial walks you through creating a DIY Chromium-based 
privacy browser using Brave and Ungoogled Chromium.

This was written for the benefit of the team, off the cuff.
Please improve so that everyone benefits from your every post.

I've been using Epic as my lightweight privacy browser for years, 
but it recently went south, so I needed a new lightweight privacy
browser (other than Opera & Tor, which have their own pros & cons).

Here's how to roll your own DIY chromium-based privacy browser.
The assumption is that you want your base to be Ungoogled Chromium.

Since Ungoogled Chromium can't easily access Chrome Web Extensions, 
you'll need "some other chromium-based browser" where Edge isn't a good 
idea due to the fact that the extensions may be modified by Edge.

Hence, I picked Brave as the chromium-based web browser to temporarily
fetch extensions, but the final lightweight privacy browser was UC.

1. Download the latest Brave full offline installer into your archive.
   https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/
   https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/releases/tag/v1.80.124
    BraveBrowserSetup.exe ==> stub
    <https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/releases/download/v1.80.124/BraveBrowserSetup.exe>
    BraveBrowserStandaloneSetup.exe ==> interactive installer
    <https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/releases/download/v1.80.124/BraveBrowserStandaloneSetup.exe>
    <BraveBrowserStandaloneSilentSetup.exe == batch installer>

2. Doubleclick on the desired installer to install (I chose silent).
   It's a brain-dead dumb installer that doesn't ask where to go.
   Mine installed Brave into
   C:\Program Files\BraveSoftware\Brave-Browser\Application\brave.exe
   %LOCALAPPDATA%\BraveSoftware\Brave-Browser\Application\

3. Start Brave and install your desired privacy-based extensions.
   I chose the following privacy-based extensions (YMMV).

   hidemevpn 1.3.0_0
   Unblocks websites and hides your IP using hide.me proxy.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hideme-proxy/ohjocgmpmlfahafbipehkhbaacoemojp>

   ublockorigin 1.65.0_0
   Efficient wide-spectrum content blocker for ads, trackers, etc.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm>

   canvasblocker 0.2.2_0
   Prevents canvas fingerprinting by injecting noise into canvas data.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/canvas-blocker-fingerprin/nomnklagbgmgghhjidfhnoelnjfndfpd>

   skipredirect 2.3.6_0
   Skips intermediary redirect pages to reach final URLs directly.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/skip-redirect/jaoafjdoijdconemdmodhbfpianehlon>

   privacybadger 2025.5.30_0
   Learns and blocks invisible trackers that ignore Do Not Track.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/privacy-badger/pkehgijcmpdhfbdbbnkijodmdjhbjlgp>

   clearurls 1.26.0_0
   Removes tracking parameters from URLs to protect your privacy.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/clearurls/lckanjgmijmafbedllaakclkaicjfmnk>

   localcdn 2.6.79_0
   Replaces CDN-hosted libraries with local copies to prevent tracking.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/localcdn/njdfdhgcmkocbgbhcioffdbicglldapd>

   cookieautodelete 3.8.2_0
   Auto-deletes cookies from closed tabs unless whitelisted.
   <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/cookie-autodelete/fhcgjolkccmbidfldomjliifgaodjagh>

   Note: I've never needed extensions until today (since I use only privacy
   browsers like Tor & Opera) so these are just my guesses at what's good.

   If you have improvements, particularly in the VPN extension, please
   add your improvements so that the team benefits from every post.

4. Copy the numbered folder (containing manifest.json) to your archives.
   cd %LOCALAPPDATA%\BraveSoftware\Brave-Browser\User Data\Default\Extensions\

   For hidemevpn 1.3.0_0 ... 
   Copy "ohjocgmpmlfahafbipehkhbaacoemojp" to your hidemevpn archive
   Rename "ohjocgmpmlfahafbipehkhbaacoemojp" to "hidemevpn"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\hidemevpn\1.3.0_0\

   ublockorigin 1.65.0_0 ... 
   Copy "cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm" to your ublockorigin archive
   Rename "cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm" to "ublockorigin"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\ublockorigin\1.65.0_0\

   canvasblocker 0.2.2_0 ... 
   Copy "nomnklagbgmgghhjidfhnoelnjfndfpd" to your canvasblocker archive
   Rename "nomnklagbgmgghhjidfhnoelnjfndfpd" to "canvasblocker"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\canvasblocker\0.2.2_0\

   skipredirect 2.3.6_0 ... 
   Copy "jaoafjdoijdconemdmodhbfpianehlon" to your skipredirect archive
   Rename "jaoafjdoijdconemdmodhbfpianehlon" to "skipredirect"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\skipredirect\2.3.6_0\

   privacybadger 2025.5.30_0 ... 
   Copy "pkehgijcmpdhfbdbbnkijodmdjhbjlgp" to your privacybadger archive
   Rename "pkehgijcmpdhfbdbbnkijodmdjhbjlgp" to "privacybadger"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\privacybadger\2025.5.30_0\

   clearurls 1.26.0_0 ... 
   Copy "lckanjgmijmafbedllaakclkaicjfmnk" to your clearurls archive
   Rename "lckanjgmijmafbedllaakclkaicjfmnk" to "clearurls"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\clearurls\1.26.0_0\

   localcdn 2.6.79_0 ... 
   Copy "njdfdhgcmkocbgbhcioffdbicglldapd" to your localcdn archive
   Rename "njdfdhgcmkocbgbhcioffdbicglldapd" to "localcdn"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\localcdn\2.6.79_0\

   cookieautodelete 3.8.2_0 ... 
   Copy "fhcgjolkccmbidfldomjliifgaodjagh" to your cookieautodelete archive
   Rename "fhcgjolkccmbidfldomjliifgaodjagh" to "cookieautodelete"
   C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\cookieautodelete\3.8.2_0\

5. Download the latest Ungoogled Chromium offline installer
   <https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-windows/
   Click on the green "Latest" button.
   <https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-windows/releases/tag/138.0.7204.168-1.1>
   Select "ungoogled-chromium_138.0.7204.168-1.1_installer_x64.exe"
   https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-windows/releases/download/138.0.7204.168-1.1/ungoogled-chromium_138.0.7204.168-1.1_installer_x64.exe>
   Or select the zip archive so you can install it where you like.
   ungoogled-chromium_138.0.7204.168-1.1_windows_x86.zip
   <https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-windows/releases/download/138.0.7204.168-1.1/ungoogled-chromium_138.0.7204.168-1.1_windows_x86.zip>

6. Doubleclick on the saved executable to install ungoogled chromium

   Note we chose Ungoogled Chromium because we trust that it is 
   de-googled more so than any other Chromium browser we know of.

   If we had wanted to use Brave instead, we'd be done in step 4.

7. Now install each of the extensions into Ungoogled Chromium.
   a. In Ungoogled Chromium, go to chrome://extensions/
   b. Enable Developer mode in the top right (if not already enabled).
   c. Click the "Load unpacked" button in the top left.
   d. Select a numbered archived extension folder containing manifest.json 
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\hidemevpn\1.3.0_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\ublockorigin\1.65.0_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\canvasblocker\0.2.2_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\skipredirect\2.3.6_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\privacybadger\2025.5.30_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\clearurls\1.26.0_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\localcdn\2.6.79_0\
      C:\archive\browser\chromium\extensions\cookieautodelete\3.8.2_0\
   e. The extension should now be installed & running 
      If an extension fails to load, double-check that the
      manifest.json is in the root of the selected folder.
   f. To "pin" it to Ungoogled Chromium select the puzzle icon at top right
   g. A dropdown will appear showing all installed extensions
   h. Click the pin icon next to uBlock Origin in the list

8. Set your extensions up as desired in Ungoogled Chromium.

9. At this point you can keep Brave as is, or wipe it out for
   a fresh installation, depending on what you want to do with it.

You now have a customized Chromium browser with privacy extensions,
(and archived for portability & reuse on any chromium browser).

Tested only once as I was doing the task and writing up the steps taken.
As always, please add value to improve the tribal knowledge for the team.
   
Note extensions installed this way into Ungoogled Chromium do not
automatically update. So you'll have to manually update as above.

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#14364

On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 22:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Marion <marion@facts.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 19:39:36 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :
>
>
>> Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWolf
>
>Since I couldn't get any VPN extension to work with a privacy based web 
>browser (such as Mullvad or LibreWolf), I temporarily gave up on Mozilla.
>

So what does the avoidance dance (killed in answer) therefore have to
do with Firefox?

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#14365

On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:41:21 -0700, Nobody wrote :


>>> Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWolf
>>
>>Since I couldn't get any VPN extension to work with a privacy based web 
>>browser (such as Mullvad or LibreWolf), I temporarily gave up on Mozilla.
>>
> 
> So what does the avoidance dance (killed in answer) therefore have to
> do with Firefox?

I have no idea what your question is trying to ascertain, so I'm guessing
that you're asking what LibreWolf or Mullvad have to do with Firefox?

The goal here, clearly, is a mozilla-based diy privacy web browser, similar
to what Opera/Epic do and somewhat (but not really) like what Tor does.

If Firefox can do it, that would be perfect. 
To use Firefox, we'd have to remove all the telemetry I think.
 <https://www.howtogeek.com/557929/how-to-see-and-disable-the-telemetry-data-firefox-collects-about-you/>

We'd have to add enhanced tracking protection I think (but I'm not sure).
 <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enhanced-tracking-protection-firefox-desktop>

We'd have to wipe out the data collection inherent in Firefox I think.
 <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-data>

What else are you suggesting we'd have to do in Firefox to make it into a
DIY de-mozilla'd web browser suitable for adding the privacy extensions?

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#14366

Marion wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:41:21 -0700, Nobody wrote :
> 
> 
>>>> Has anyone on this ng ever gotten a VPN extension to work with LibreWolf
>>>
>>>Since I couldn't get any VPN extension to work with a privacy based web 
>>>browser (such as Mullvad or LibreWolf), I temporarily gave up on Mozilla.
>>>
>> 
>> So what does the avoidance dance (killed in answer) therefore have to
>> do with Firefox?
> 
> I have no idea what your question is trying to ascertain, so I'm guessing
> that you're asking what LibreWolf or Mullvad have to do with Firefox?
> 
> The goal here, clearly, is a mozilla-based diy privacy web browser, similar
> to what Opera/Epic do and somewhat (but not really) like what Tor does.

So just shut up with your bla and use Tor Browser.
https://www.torproject.org/download/

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#14369

On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 04:03:32 +0200, Frank Miller wrote :


>> The goal here, clearly, is a mozilla-based diy privacy web browser, similar
>> to what Opera/Epic do and somewhat (but not really) like what Tor does.
> 
> So just shut up with your bla and use Tor Browser.
> https://www.torproject.org/download/

I'm not sure why the childish hateful bullying schoolboy vehemence, 
but there is nothing wrong with looking for a de-mozilla'd Firefox, but to
respond kindly to that suggestion, onion routing is very different from
what a VPN (aka proxy) extension does. 

Onion routing & vpn/proxy are only similar to those who don't understand
the difference - as general purpose browsers will never be onion routers.

Moving forward, I did try the suggestion of using Mullvad, which is quite a
nice Mozilla-based general-purpose privacy web browser out of the box.
 a. Mullvad has fingerprint resistance by default
 b. It has private mode by default (i.e., no history, cookies, etc.)
 c. Mozilla telemetry has been stripped out
 d. It forces HTTPS mode by default
 e. It has enhanced tracking protection by default
 f. It has cookie isolation protection
 g. It encrypts DNS requests over HTTPS
 h. It alerts users to fingerprinting sites
 i. It even supports some privacy extensions (e.g., uBlock Origin)
 e. And it's designed for VPN use - however - there's a catch... 

It works with VPN all right - but it only seems to work with its own VPN.
 <https://mullvad.net/en/browser>

The problem is the Mullvad Browser Extension only functions if you┴e
actively connected to Mullvad VPN and to connect to Mullvad VPN you need to
register for an account - which is the worst thing anyone can do.

There are two golden rules for privacy on the net, and one is to never
register for anything (the other is never pay with a traceable method).

Anyone doing either of those forbidden actions (especially nowadays with
even throwaway emails requiring phone or a second email validation) will
never stand a snowball's chance in hell to have any privacy, even with VPN.

When we have the tutorial written, thousands of people can benefit simply
by clicking on the cut-and-paste steps to easily build a privacy browser.

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#14385

On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:03:02 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


> When we have the tutorial written, thousands of people can benefit simply
> by clicking on the cut-and-paste steps to easily build a privacy browser.

HELPFUL UPDATE:

I've been testing privacy extensions, one by one, and so far, they appear 
to be working well - but a lot more testing needs to be done to be sure.

Nonetheless, just to update the group at large, here're some I'm testing.

C:\> for /d %i in (*) do @for /d %j in ("%i\*") do @echo %j
     ublockorigin\1.65.0_0
     canvasblocker\0.2.2_0
     skipredirect\2.3.6_0
     privacybadger\2025.5.30_0
     clearurls\1.26.0_0
     localcdn\2.6.79_0
     cookieautodelete\3.8.2_0
     trace\3.0.6_0
     noscript\13.0.8_0
     decentraleyes\3.0.0_0
     useragentswitcher\0.6.4_0
     httpseverywhere\1.0_0
     fontfingerprintdefender\0.1.6_0
     disablehtml5autoplay\0.9.3_0
     referercontrol\1.35_0

As always, this is posted to help everyone who wants the information, so if 
you are aware of others, please add value by suggesting they also be tested.

 +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
 | Extension Name         | Privacy Function                               |
 +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
 | uBlock Origin          | Blocks ads, trackers, malware; no data collection    
 | CanvasBlocker          | Spoofs/block canvas & JS APIs to prevent fingerprinting
 | Skip Redirect          | Bypasses tracking redirects to reach final URL faster 
 | Privacy Badger         | Learns & blocks trackers; sends Do Not Track signals 
 | ClearURLs              | Removes tracking elements from URLs automatically     
 | LocalCDN               | Serves CDN resources locally to prevent tracking      
 | Cookie AutoDelete      | Deletes cookies from closed tabs; whitelist support   
 | Trace                  | Blocks fingerprinting & trackers; customizable shields     
 | NoScript               | Blocks scripts; allows only trusted sites; anti-XSS   
 | Decentraleyes          | Emulates CDN libraries locally to block CDN tracking 
 | User-Agent Switcher    | Spoofs browser identity to prevent fingerprinting     
 | HTTPS Everywhere       | Forces HTTPS connections for secure browsing        
 | FontFingerprintDefender| Adds noise to font fingerprint; renews on reload      
 | Disable HTML5 Autoplay | Stops auto-playing media; hooks JS API for control    
 | Referer Control        | Modifies or disables HTTP referer headers            
 +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+

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#14400

Marion wrote:
> There are two golden rules for privacy on the net, and one is to never
> register for anything (the other is never pay with a traceable method).
> 
> Anyone doing either of those forbidden actions (especially nowadays with
> even throwaway emails requiring phone or a second email validation) will
> never stand a snowball's chance in hell to have any privacy, even with VPN.

While I choose not to actually /do/ it, I have done some 'thought 
experiments' in resolving what is 'troubling' privacy above.

You need an anonymous persona.  There are a number of ways to create 
that; I think the most practical approach is the concept of a 'burner' 
phone, so solve the 'connectivity' problem along w/ the anonymous 
persona problem; that is, first step.

The other thing you need is anonymous 'finances' in the form of a 
cryptocoin which aids anonymizing. Personally I haven't dev/d a full 
'background' on the coins, but I don't much like the ones which are too 
speculative. You can't really 'get' a true stablecoin which is also 
anonymizing, but you can get coins which /are/ anonymizing and much less 
speculative than such as bitcoin.

Since this thread is *actually* more of a 'severe' privacy issue than it 
is a 'browser' issue, except that the thread is about wanting a Ffx type 
browser (if possible) AND severe privacy, you HAVE TO solve the severe 
privacy first, and that requires an identity/persona w/ the ability to 
pay for things.  There is no such thing as a free ride when you impose 
all of the restrictions you have decided upon.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#14401

Mike Easter wrote:
> Marion wrote:
>> There are two golden rules for privacy on the net, and one is to never
>> register for anything (the other is never pay with a traceable method).
>>
> While I choose not to actually /do/ it, I have done some 'thought 
> experiments' in resolving what is 'troubling' privacy above.
> 
We can use our conversation here as an example of something.

First, as a 'basis' of the non-privacy end of things; I don't use a 
privacy browser at all. I also use an NSP which not only requires reg, 
it also requires payment annually. OK fine.

You instead are using blueworldhosting as your NSP to post here and like 
most other people including me, do not expose your IP to the 'world' via 
the NSP nor your name and email.  OK fine.  We aren't that different. 
Your NSP has excellent retention and no reg.

If someone wants to 'uncover' your persona, they would start w/ the IP 
you connect to blueworldhosting and the 'clarity' of your handwriting 
which I have observed in your messages for years.

I don't think it would be that hard to uncover you; not that I am any 
kind of fan of dox/ing, but it could be part of a conversation about 
privacy that involves who is the/your adversary and who isn't.

My 'philosophy' is that I don't have adversaries who need to know who I 
am and so I don't have to go to any trouble for 'severe privacy'.

To me, the only people who need severe privacy are criminals and those 
who are actively fighting against an oppressive state actor; that is, if 
you do dev a strong adversary w/ some kind of power, you have a problem.

Typically the people who discuss privacy in such as the privacy groups 
don't actually *state* why they are so interested to go to so much 
trouble and inconvenience.  I do NOT believe that people do that just 
for the fun or challenge of it, but I also do NOT know what other 
reason/s they could possibly have besides the ones I mention here.

-- 
Mike Easter

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